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Re: [scrumdevelopment] Critique of Agile Processes

Hi All,

It gets worse,

Here are links to a series of articles that claims (amongst other
things) that Agile just doesn't understand people:

http://www.claretyconsulting.com/it/comments/agile-enough-is-enough/2006-06-26/
http://www.claretyconsulting.com/it/comments/agile-fees-feeding-frenzy/2006-07-2\
7/

http://www.claretyconsulting.com/it/comments/agile-scrum-fails-to-get-to-grips-w\
ith-human-psychology/2006-08-17/



Worst still, the blogger has deleted my posts and banned me from posting
because chose to point out that the he as a commercial interest in
deriding Agile. He is using his blog to promote his PRINCE2 based
Project management Consultancy by deriding Agile!

I guess one way to look at it is if Agile is attracting FUD like this,
then it must be making an impact.

BTW since I've been barred from the site, it wouldn't bother me in the
slightest if others chose to let Mr Brady know what they think about his
negative PR campaign :^).

Paul.

Richard Lacher wrote:

> Our Agile implementation met up with significant resistance from
> senior management and competing development groups within the company.
> The concepts and terms did not go over well. So we changed strategies
> to address this by using empirical facts in the way of Lean Six Sigma
> Control Charts and shifting our terms to "customer focus', and
> ‘Leaning Out’ our processes. Management responded much better to us
> reporting that we are actively refining our processes so that we only
> perform work that the customer was willing to pay for or that the
> business required in order to stay viable. We made a conscious
> decision to no longer say or use terms such as xp or agile or
> self-managed to any group that did not first show sincere interest in
> our successes.
>
>
> */PaulOldfield1@.../* wrote:
>
> > A colleague forwarded this to me today. I don't think it's
> > been mentioned on this forum yet.
> There has been fairly extensive comment on this blog entry
> on various other forums.
> I'm sure other folk can comment on the negative aspects
> quite adequately without my help.
> One interesting observation I make is that the foundations
> of the agile community arose from a minority of organizations
> who had invested considerable effort to improve the way
> they did their work. This still happens, independent of the
> agile body of knowledge or otherwise. Of the few cases I
> have looked at where the organization has invested a lot
> in effective ways of improving the way they work, I see a
> pattern starting to emerge. They regard their hiring process
> as very important. Their ways of working are very agile.
> Their ways of working are highly tailored to their situation
> and unlike agile 'out of the box' approaches. They tend not
> to want to call themselves 'agile'.
> In my opinion, this is good news about them, more than bad
> news about us.
> Paul Oldfield
>
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A colleague forwarded this to me today. I don't think it's been mentioned on this forum yet. ...
Stephen Bobick
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You know, there are so many ways to respond to that blog. I guess we could go with the "Gee, you seem awfully impressed with yourself" response. We could...
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I think the guy makes *some* good points/challenges here and there, but he also makes a lot of mistakes and misrepresentations. One thing that jumped out at...
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I agree with the Steves. The stuff he found frustrating is stuff that agile processes shed light on, not problems that agile processes create. It seemed to me...
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I think it's more than a troll. I think it is a (self-)justification for rejecting agile practices and published with the intent of convincing others to...
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True. The person who forwarded it to me (last week some time) is also wary of agile, and is in fact wary of pretty much anything 'managerial.' He's a ...
Gregor Dodson
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... that agile ... This is a topic I've seen coming up a lot, particularly in response to the "agile sucks" camp. Those of us who have seen it in action know ...
Deb
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... There has been fairly extensive comment on this blog entry on various other forums. I'm sure other folk can comment on the negative aspects quite...
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If anyone needs an empirical counterpoint to the posting, Gabby Benefield and I have some summary data from our regular survey of the 600+ people at Yahoo!...
Pete Deemer
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Our Agile implementation met up with significant resistance from senior management and competing development groups within the company. The concepts and terms...
Richard Lacher
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Hi All, It gets worse, Here are links to a series of articles that claims (amongst other things) that Agile just doesn't understand people: ...
Paul Beckford
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Hello Paul, thanks for your note. On Tuesday, October 3, 2006, at ... I'm too busy helping people get the software they need, when they need it, to help Mr...
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Hi there, I am new to scrum and my company is planning to adopt to this methods for our projects. However, my team is thinking to start practicing so that we...
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Index cards, pens, pencils, white boards, bulletin boards, large pieces of paper, markers, etc....
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Hello Steven, thanks for your email. On Tuesday, October 3, 2006, at ... Thanks for saving me the time. ;-> Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Talent determines...
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Thank you Friends. We'll start with the below tools :) Regards Sarat ... From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> To: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
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As a continuation to what Steven said, if you (your teams) and your customers are collocated there's nothing better then : index card, pens , pencils,...
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Ok, I'll be the first responder on this one. First, how big is your team, and are they collocated? If they are, and it isn't a massive team, I highly...
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... For burn charts, flip chart paper and thick pens in striking colors (red, green, light blue...) work best in my experience. Cheers, Ilja...
Ilja Preuss
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I just got some good advice from Mike about this. His point was that responding to this kind of stuff just encourages them. He's right, but it does annoy me...
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(responding to Paul B) ... So it probably isn't a good idea to promote his site by having links to it in your posting. A dumb spider won't tell the difference ...
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... the ... about his ... Hi Paul, yes, I've strugled with this one too. art ofme thinks that such mis-information should not be allowed to stand...
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An interesting article, especially written by some one who has limited background in development but mainly comes from a Prince 2 inspired ( or should that be...
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I am not all that up-to-date on emerging methods. What is Prince 2? All I can come up with is " the methodology formerly known as Prince". Otis B....
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... Methodology? "Prince 2" is not a university in New Jersey? - Lasse [walking away before the hilarity police hits the scene...]...
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Ha! That made my morning. Thanks Otis. Brandon ________________________________ From: scrumdevelopment@yahoogroups.com ...
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I'm not a Prince 2 man - however, a lot of customers are. The way I look at it is this: If the customer requires the red tape and the names of those who can be...
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Here is a link for "Ken Schwaber Visits Google" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7230144396191025011...
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