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Re: Digest Number 1305   Message List  
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GANTT charts have some utility when a Product Owner has to present to
naive users (non-Agile managers) to get a project funded.

Once implementation of the plan starts, the team enters the fog of
war, just like a squad of troops entering battle. Military generals
fully understand that once the enemy is engaged, all plans are
shattered and the front line must self-organize to win the day.

Taking the GANTT chart into the Sprint has people look at a planning
document that is absolutely wrong after the first day. At best it
gobbles up a full time resource in the futile effort to keep the chart
up to date. Even worse, it may lead the team to do the wrong thing and
lose, i.e. a failed Sprint goes up in flames.

The GANTT chart was banned from Sprints for these reasons when I led
the initial implementation of Scrum in 1993. 13 years later I don't
see any reason to change this. In fact after consulting with leading
companies up and down Silicon Valley and in other parts of the world
this past year, getting their burndown charts updated daily and
visible to the entire company is a top priority. Any distraction by
GANTT charts is a futile exercise.

Jeff Sutherland

> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:50:38 -0000
> From: "lukehohmann" <LukeHohmann@...>
> Subject: Re: progress visibility vs. simple tools: why Gantts can still be
useful
>
> I'm finding the discussion of the utility of Gantt charts quite
> interesting, as it reflects the bias of the software development
> communities thinking that successful software development is creating
> and releasing software. This may be the big picture of software
> development, but it is just a small part of successful product
> development, especially in large enterprise software systems. In the
> larger picture world of software product strategy and product
> development, Gantt representations of tasks have considerable
> utility, beyond just the physical media.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Luke Hohmann | CEO | Enthiosys, Inc.

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GANTT charts have some utility when a Product Owner has to present to naive users (non-Agile managers) to get a project funded. Once implementation of the plan...
Jeff Sutherland
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... While the Gant Chart's usefullness seems quite low in a single-group scrum, I wonder about how it might be utilized among a large number of groups. Take,...
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Jeff and others - I think that you're holding far to tightly to the notion that a Gantt chart is solely used for planning purposes and that once these plans ...
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Luke and Mike Kirby, I think we can draw a distinction between task level Gantts and story/PBI level Gantts. Beyond merely modeling a hypothetical, I can't...
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... That very much describes what we do. The breakdown into large chunks, including balancing and estimating is done in a more directive approach. (Although I...
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... This sounds a little "chicken or egg" to me. I think we can agree that multi-team Scrum projects are going to have special needs with regard to cross...
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All, Cross team, cross product implementation of Scrum does indeed require a useful inspection and tracking of the dependencies and subsequent impacts these...
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We have found use for 1 (one GANTT) chart in Scrum, which we we use for all of our projects. It is always the same chart with varying ts but with different ...
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Hi All, I work in a cooperative custom software development practice and we recently pitched our first explicitly agile/scrum-based project. I was hoping that...
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Congratulations on getting Agile into the contract ­ that¹s much easier that gradually revealing your agility to the customer as you develop under a ...
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Thanks, Alex... That was very helpful. --David Chilcott drc@... www.outformations.com 510.655.7122 Voice Keep Breathing. Tell the Truth. Be...
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Hi all, it is an interesting discussion because using scrum to develop projects that are sold to an external customer is not the same to use scrum only for ...
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In our case the product owner is the person designated as "project lead" on the client's side. In this particular instance it happens to be the CEO but I can...
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And so, let me say as per Agile Manifesto, you need to involve CEO or at least the ultimate decision maker in the process of defining product backlog item,...
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Excellent list, Alex ... the best I've seen. Thanks! Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com My advice is to do it by the book, get good at the practices, then do as...
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It just occurred to me that I forgot one item: If you discover you¹ve forgotten to include a critical feature in your initial list, just insert it into its...
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