All, as has already been stated, the District and Council Advancement Committees
can provide "alternate" requirements, NOT the MB counselor please; the Scout in
question also needs to be "tagged" in Scoutnet as "special needs" as well, to
insure there are no problems as he makes his way toward Eagle.
 
This is NOT a big deal, and your Council Registrar is the ONLY one that has
access to that information, which is "confidential"; the "tag" does NOT appear
on any roster or list, but simply allows the boy "additional" time to earn his
Eagle if he needs it.


- Art
--- On Tue, 3/27/12, Connie Knie <cknie23100@...> wrote:

From: Connie Knie <cknie23100@...>
Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Physical Fitness MB with Asperbers Scout
To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 11:42 AM



 



Unless the scout is physically unable to exercise this doesn't seem like the
right avenue. The issue seems that he just isn't comfortable doing what the
other scouts are doing. And that is not an issue at all because except for the
required tests he has to do the 12 week program is all about him........... so
he just needs to write one that challenges him and then keep tracking it.

Connie

--- On Tue, 3/27/12, Tim Shea <shea_tim@...> wrote:

Contact your District or Council Advancement Chair and inquire about the
alternates for Scout with Disabilities. It is a process requiring some
planning especially for Eagle. Do not wait.

Tim

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I believe that statement�is incorrect, or at least misleading.��

First off, the District does not factor into it.� The Council Advancement
Committee is responsible for deciding on the "alternatives".��The�DAC can
assist, but only in an advisory capacity.�


Secondly, requirements can not altered to allow the Scout to achieve the merit
badge.��Instead, an alternative merit badge is chosen to replace the one
that�the Scout�is unable to complete, due to a�permanent�phyiscal or mental
limitation.� At one time, the Scout was required to complete all of the
requirements of the�Eagle�required badge�before attempting to gain an
alternative,�but that was eliminated some�years ago.�


In addition,�you are required to provide a�medical�statement from a
doctor�explaining the extent of the limitation and a completed application for
an alternative Eagle Merit Badge.� And if the alternative that is chosen
involves physical activity, it must be approved by the boy's doctor.

David Wildschuetz
Scoutmaster, Troop 310
http://bstroop1310.scoutlander.com




________________________________
From: A. Dukovic <artdukovic@...>
To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, March 27, 2012 4:27:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Scouter_T] Physical Fitness MB with Asperbers Scout

�
All, as has already been stated, the District and Council Advancement Committees
can provide "alternate" requirements, NOT the MB counselor please; the Scout in
question also needs to be "tagged" in Scoutnet as "special needs" as well, to
insure there are no problems as he makes his way toward Eagle.
�
This is NOT a big deal, and your Council Registrar�is the ONLY one that has
access to that information, which is "confidential"; the "tag" does NOT appear
on any roster or list, but simply allows the boy "additional" time to earn his
Eagle if he needs it.

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David is correct (as usual) only the Council Advanment Committee can make the
determination on which MB to use as an alternative but individual requirements
don't change.
�
BUT........ in reference to the original question No where did the OP state the
scout couldn't do the requirements. He just isn't comfortable doing the ones the
other scouts are doing. I don't see where this would qualify as stated by the
OP.........

Connie

--- On Tue, 3/27/12, David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@...> wrote:
I believe that statement�is incorrect, or at least misleading.��

First off, the District does not factor into it.� The Council Advancement
Committee is responsible for deciding on the "alternatives".��The�DAC can
assist, but only in an advisory capacity.�


Secondly, requirements can not altered to allow the Scout to achieve the merit
badge.��Instead, an alternative merit badge is chosen to replace the one
that�the Scout�is unable to complete, due to a�permanent�phyiscal or mental
limitation.�

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the advanceement committee will require a statement from the doctor saying it
can't do the requirement.
hd

--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, Connie Knie <cknie23100@...> wrote:
>
> David is correct (as usual) only the Council Advanment Committee can make the
determination on which MB to use as an alternative but individual requirements
don't change.
> �
> BUT........ in reference to the original question No where did the OP state
the scout couldn't do the requirements. He just isn't comfortable doing the ones
the other scouts are doing. I don't see where this would qualify as stated by
the OP.........
>
> Connie
>
> --- On Tue, 3/27/12, David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@...> wrote:
> I believe that statement�is incorrect, or at least misleading.��
>
> First off, the District does not factor into it.� The Council Advancement
> Committee is responsible for deciding on the "alternatives".��The�DAC can
> assist, but only in an advisory capacity.�
>
>
> Secondly, requirements can not altered to allow the Scout to achieve the merit
> badge.��Instead, an alternative merit badge is chosen to replace the one
> that�the Scout�is unable to complete, due to a�permanent�phyiscal or mental
> limitation.�
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

There is a form on this web site. Gets signed by the parents, doctor district
committee and council committee. So apparently the district looks first.
http://www.wwswd.org/

herb d

--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, "Herb" <hadulzo@...> wrote:
>
> the advanceement committee will require a statement from the doctor saying it
can't do the requirement.
> hd
>
> --- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, Connie Knie <cknie23100@> wrote:
> >
> > David is correct (as usual) only the Council Advanment Committee can make
the determination on which MB to use as an alternative but individual
requirements don't change.
> > �
> > BUT........ in reference to the original question No where did the OP state
the scout couldn't do the requirements. He just isn't comfortable doing the ones
the other scouts are doing. I don't see where this would qualify as stated by
the OP.........
> >
> > Connie
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/27/12, David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@> wrote:
> > I believe that statement�is incorrect, or at least misleading.��
> >
> > First off, the District does not factor into it.� The Council Advancement
> > Committee is responsible for deciding on the "alternatives".��The�DAC can
> > assist, but only in an advisory capacity.�
> >
> >
> > Secondly, requirements can not altered to allow the Scout to achieve the
merit
> > badge.��Instead, an alternative merit badge is chosen to replace the one
> > that�the Scout�is unable to complete, due to a�permanent�phyiscal or mental
> > limitation.�
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Yep, spoke too soon, sorry; in my Council, the requests are submitted thru the
District to the Council and everyone participates, but the decision IS MADE by
the Council Advancement Committee. And yes, MB requirements cannot be changed
but alternatives can be agreed to, again by the Council Advancement Committee.
 
All this, thank heavens, is clearly spelled out in the latest BSA 2011
Advancement Guide            # 33088 folks.  Like the new Eagle
Workbook, National has clearly put some thought into giving simple guidance for
a change to volunteers!!   


- Art
--- On Tue, 3/27/12, Herb <hadulzo@...> wrote:

From: Herb <hadulzo@...>
Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: Physical Fitness MB with Asperbers Scout
To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 5:37 PM



 



the advanceement committee will require a statement from the doctor saying it
can't do the requirement.
hd

--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, Connie Knie <cknie23100@...> wrote:
>
> David is correct (as usual) only the Council Advanment Committee can make the
determination on which MB to use as an alternative but individual requirements
don't change.
>  
> BUT........ in reference to the original question No where did the OP state
the scout couldn't do the requirements. He just isn't comfortable doing the ones
the other scouts are doing. I don't see where this would qualify as stated by
the OP.........
>
> Connie
>
> --- On Tue, 3/27/12, David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@...> wrote:
> I believe that statement is incorrect, or at least misleading.  
>
> First off, the District does not factor into it.  The Council Advancement
> Committee is responsible for deciding on the "alternatives".  The DAC can
> assist, but only in an advisory capacity. 
>
>
> Secondly, requirements can not altered to allow the Scout to achieve the merit
> badge.  Instead, an alternative merit badge is chosen to replace the one
> that the Scout is unable to complete, due to a permanent phyiscal or
mental
> limitation. 
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








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--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, "Herb" <hadulzo@...> wrote:
>
> There is a form on this web site. Gets signed by the parents, doctor
district committee and council committee. So apparently the district
looks first.
> http://www.wwswd.org/

Unfortunately that web site is seriously out of date (they are showing
the Advancement Guidelines from 2010 that was recalled).

You need to take a look at the Guide to Advancement 2011, especially
paragraph 10.2.2.0 (Advancement for Boy Scouts and Varsity Scouts With
Disabilities) as well as paragraph 10.2.2.1 (Using Alternative
Requirements).

If you do not have a copy of this item, you can download a free copy
from here:  http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/33088.pdf
<http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/33088.pdf>

Please do not refer volunteers to unofficial web sites as that just
causes problems for those trying to get answer as they end up filling
out the wrong forms or following outdated policies which results in
frustration on their part.

Thanks,

Paul Y
District Advancement & Recognition Chair
Thunderbird District
Inland Northwest Council
Spokane WA
"Once a Fox, always a Fox"




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Coming into this a bit late. Is this a group MB? It maybe that what
he has a problem with is doing this where others can see. It maybe
way outside his comfort zone and so he's shutting down mentally so as
not to do it.He may have been harassed over his physical condition in
the past and doesn't want to put himself in that position.

He may need to be doing the testing, etc. in private. Of course with
a parent as a buddy. As a MB counselor, I know it's a lot easier to
do group MB's and push for them myself.
]
With Aspergers you often have to think outside the box to deal with
boys that suffer from it. Not going so far as to change the
requirements or do a different MB, but shift focus a bit to see the
basic requirements... not what everyone in the troop does.

Maria Hurley
Malvern, PA USA

--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, "Maria" <m34@...> wrote:
>
> Coming into this a bit late. Is this a group MB?

There is and has never been such a thing as a "Group MB"!

Here's what the latest Guide to Advancement 2011 says about "group MBs":
7.0.3.2 Group Instruction

It is acceptable�and sometimes desirable�for merit badges to be
taught in group settings. This often occurs at camp and merit badge
midways or similar events. Interactive group discussions can support
learning. The method can also be attractive to "guest experts"
assisting registered and approved counselors. Slide shows, skits,
demonstrations, panels, and various other techniques can also be
employed, but as any teacher can attest, not everyone will learn all the
material.

There must be attention to each individual's projects and his
fulfi  llment of all requirements. We must know that every
Scout�actually and personally�completed them. If, for example, a
requirement uses words like "show," "demonstrate," or
"discuss," then every Scout must do that. It is unacceptable to
award badges on the basis of sitting in classrooms watching
demonstrations, or remaining silent during discussions. Because of the
importance of individual attention in the merit badge plan, group
instruction should be limited to those scenarios where the benefits
are compelling.
And in large green text after the above:
There must be attention to each individual's projects and his
fulfi  llment of all requirements. We must know that every
Scout�actually and personally�completed them.
So while group instruction might be appropriate, each Scout must
personally pass all the requirements on an individual basis.

This is no different than what the previous Advancement Committee Guide
Policies and Procedures pamphlets have said.

Paul Y
District Advancement & Recognition Chair
Thunderbird District
Inland Northwest Council
Spokane WA
"Once a Fox, always a Fox"




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That seems a bit harsh, and a bit contradictory when you follow it up with
official documentation that�talks about working on a merit badge as a group.� In
this�time of youth protection, two-deep leadership�and the no one-on-one contact
guidelines, group MB classes are becoming the norm.� As long as the Scout
fulfills the requirements, what is wrong with doing the MB�in a group setting.

�David Wildschuetz
Scoutmaster, Troop 310
http://bstroop1310.scoutlander.com




________________________________
From: Paul <paulp575@...>
To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 28, 2012 11:01:19 AM
Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: Physical Fitness MB with Asperbers Scout



>> Coming into this a bit late. Is this a group MB?

There is and has never been such a thing as a "Group MB"!

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--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@...>
wrote:
>
> That seems a bit harsh, and a bit contradictory when you follow it up
with official documentation that talks about working on a merit badge as
a group.

That has always been the rule in that while you can work on the merit
badge in a group, i.e., learning how to tie the various bandages and
doing litter carrys for First Aid merit badge, a Scout is still required
to pass the requirements individually. Remember, advancement is an
individual effort - not a group effort.

> In this time of youth protection, two-deep leadership and the no
one-on-one contact guidelines, group MB classes are becoming the norm.

That's the worst excuse I've ever heard of  to justify merit badge
classes!

>  As long as the Scout fulfills the requirements, what is wrong with
doing the MB in a group setting.

How do you know a Scout understands the requirements when in a group
setting? Just because a Scout sat in a class does not mean he has an
understanding of the requirements, let alone can do them.

National has always required Scouts to pass merit badge requirements in
front of a counselor. If one is not doing that, then they a providing a
disservice to the youth.

It is very easy to meet the current Youth Protection guidelines and
still have a Scout pass the requirement individually in front of a
counselor. Since some Scouts do not have valid driver's licenses, why
not have the person who may be taking the Scout to the counselor sit in
on the session? See, now you have the Scout individually passing the
requirements, yet the Youth Protection guideline is fully met! Or have
the session in a public place where others can see the Scout and
counselor. This is allowed!

Paul Y
District Advancement & Recognition Chair
Thunderbird District
Inland Northwest Council
"Once a Fox, always a Fox"




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Well, I can see I should have been more verbose in my explanation.  Apparently,
to some people "As long as the Scout fulfills the requirements"  means something
different when a merit badge is done as a group as opposed to one-on-one.

I never said that the counselor passes the Scout for being part of the class.
  Even at Scout Camp, that is supposed to be understood.  If the requirement says
the scout is to do this or that, then the scout does this or that.  The
counselor can take each Scout  to validate that the requirements are met during
a group setting just like if they were working with an individual Scout.

  David Wildschuetz
Scoutmaster, Troop 310
http://bstroop1310.scoutlander.com




________________________________
From: Paul <paulp575@...>
To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 28, 2012 11:59:31 AM
Subject: [Scouter_T] Re: Physical Fitness MB with Asperbers Scout


--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@...>
wrote:
>
> That seems a bit harsh, and a bit contradictory when you follow it up
with official documentation that talks about working on a merit badge as
a group.

That has always been the rule in that while you can work on the merit
badge in a group, i.e., learning how to tie the various bandages and
doing litter carrys for First Aid merit badge, a Scout is still required
to pass the requirements individually. Remember, advancement is an
individual effort - not a group effort.

> In this time of youth protection, two-deep leadership and the no
one-on-one contact guidelines, group MB classes are becoming the norm.

That's the worst excuse I've ever heard of  to justify merit badge
classes!

>  As long as the Scout fulfills the requirements, what is wrong with
doing the MB in a group setting.

How do you know a Scout understands the requirements when in a group
setting? Just because a Scout sat in a class does not mean he has an
understanding of the requirements, let alone can do them.

National has always required Scouts to pass merit badge requirements in
front of a counselor. If one is not doing that, then they a providing a
disservice to the youth.

It is very easy to meet the current Youth Protection guidelines and
still have a Scout pass the requirement individually in front of a
counselor. Since some Scouts do not have valid driver's licenses, why
not have the person who may be taking the Scout to the counselor sit in
on the session? See, now you have the Scout individually passing the
requirements, yet the Youth Protection guideline is fully met! Or have
the session in a public place where others can see the Scout and
counselor. This is allowed!

Paul Y
District Advancement & Recognition Chair
Thunderbird District
Inland Northwest Council
"Once a Fox, always a Fox"

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

<<How do you know a Scout understands the requirements when in a group
setting? Just because a Scout sat in a class does not mean he has an
understanding of the requirements, let alone can do them.

National has always required Scouts to pass merit badge requirements in
front of a counselor. If one is not doing that, then they a providing a
disservice to the youth.>>




In addition, group merit badge classes deprive the Scout of the adult
association which is supposed to be a part of the merit badge experience. The
Scout learns and grows from making the call to the counselor, working with
different individuals on various badges, dealing with different personalities,
etc.

By arranging "classes" as part of troop meetings, even if they are initiated by
the Scouts, we short change the Scouts. Holding their hands through the merit
badge process is NOT developing independence or self-confidence - it's treating
them like little kids.

Jamie Niss Dunn
Pack Trainer, Pack 512
Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
Troop Committee, Troop 509
Ham Lake, MN
Cub Scout Roundtable Commissioner
Three Rivers District




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--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Niss Dunn <JNDunnMN@...> wrote:
>
> In addition, group merit badge classes deprive the Scout of the adult
association which is supposed to be a part of the merit badge
experience. The Scout learns and grows from making the call to the
counselor, working with different individuals on various badges, dealing
with different personalities, etc.
>
> By arranging "classes" as part of troop meetings, even if they are
initiated by the Scouts, we short change the Scouts. Holding their hands
through the merit badge process is NOT developing independence or
self-confidence - it's treating them like little kids.

Thank you for saying what I should have said.

Please don't misunderstand me, in some situations, classes on merit
badge subjects are great; they do provide interaction amongst the
attendees. And it might open up a subject/topic a Scout previously
didn't have an interest in.

I am the registrar for our district's merit badge college and we are
very adamant about how merit badges are to be completed. We provide very
specific instructions to our counselors as to what they CAN do and what
they MUST do, i.e., individually pass EACH Scout on the requirements;
that they can not do this just because a Scout sits in a class.

When we changed to this way of doing things two years ago (before I was
involved), I thought for sure we'd loose some counselors and Scouts, but
we did not. In fact, we did receive several comments about finally doing
it the way the program is supposed to be done. And we did pick up some
counselors who preferred the right way!

As for the Scouts, it's been tough on them as they thought all they need
to do is attend the class and they will get the badge. Although I think
that mindset is changing as we started emphasizing the fact there will
be work required BETWEEN and AFTER the dates of the college (we hold it
on two different Saturdays about a month apart).

Paul Y
District Advancement & Recognition Chair
Thunderbird District
Inland Northwest Council
Spokane WA
"Once a Fox, always a Fox"

Jamie has some excellent points. The process of finding out who the merit badge
counselors are and then making contact with a counselor, who is often unknown to
the Scout, is a profound experience that helps our Scouts develop character.
Then ensuring youth protection policies are enforced adds an additional yet
worthy challenge for all involved.

Although merit badge clinics can make the process of earning a merit badge
expedient, merit badge clinic are not always the best learning experience for
our Scouts. I am saddened by the trend in Scouting where there is a
 willingness of so many to deviate from the tried and true methods that have
sustained the Scouting Movement for over a century.



>________________________________
> From: Jamie Niss Dunn <JNDunnMN@...>
>To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] Re: Physical Fitness MB with Asperbers Scout
>
>
> 
>
>
><<How do you know a Scout understands the requirements when in a group
>setting? Just because a Scout sat in a class does not mean he has an
>understanding of the requirements, let alone can do them.
>
>National has always required Scouts to pass merit badge requirements in
>front of a counselor. If one is not doing that, then they a providing a
>disservice to the youth.>>
>
>In addition, group merit badge classes deprive the Scout of the adult
association which is supposed to be a part of the merit badge experience. The
Scout learns and grows from making the call to the counselor, working with
different individuals on various badges, dealing with different personalities,
etc.
>
>By arranging "classes" as part of troop meetings, even if they are initiated by
the Scouts, we short change the Scouts. Holding their hands through the merit
badge process is NOT developing independence or self-confidence - it's treating
them like little kids.
>
>Jamie Niss Dunn
>Pack Trainer, Pack 512
>Blaine/Coon Rapids, MN
>Troop Committee, Troop 509
>Ham Lake, MN
>Cub Scout Roundtable Commissioner
>Three Rivers District
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>

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I understand what you are saying, and that is exactly what I meant. A
MB done in a group setting. Like at camp or partially during troop
meetings.



Maria Hurley
Malvern, PA USA

We are getting away from the original question. The reason I asked if
it was a group MB was exactly because of how a MB is suppose to be
taught in a group setting.

As you said:
> There must be attention to each individual's projects and his
> fulfilment of all requirements. We must know that every
> Scout-actually and personally-completed them. If, for example, a
> requirement uses words like "show," "demonstrate," or
> "discuss," then every Scout must do that.

A boy with Aspergers might easily have problems with a Physical
Fitness MB done in a group setting, if it was done correctly... and
not just passed for showing up. He might still have some problems in
a more private setting, but they might be manageable.






Maria Hurley
Malvern, PA USA

I feel our troop successfully just did Personal Fitness as a group (sort of). We
had speakers come in and cover alot of the requirements like nutrition,
components of physical fitness, what it means to be healthy, etc. These were
just 20 minutes or so. Then we did the original tests as a group�(you know the
ones they have to repeat every two weeks). Then that was it for groups. They had
to then go to individual counselors for the rest. The short talks were only
helpful to the scouts who paid attention and took notes. And I believe that
doing that initial testing together gave alot of them what they needed to get
off to a good start. We told them in the beginning that no one would be
receiving the merit badge until they met individually with a counselor..........
�
The other one I did successfully at summer camp was Horsemanship. All of the
riding lessons and grooming lessons and discussions were done as a group. But
they had to do the riding tests alone, and all of the rest of the discussions
were done one on one with my staff.........no gimmes...........
�
So even if the scout in question was working on Personal Fitness initially in a
group there is no reason he needs to do the same exercises everyone else is
doing and technically everyone else shouldn't be doing the exact same thing
anyway..........

Connie

--- On Wed, 3/28/12, Maria <m34@...> wrote:

I understand what you are saying, and that is exactly what I meant. A
MB done in a group setting. Like at camp or partially during troop
meetings.




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Curiosity has be best of me today;

 

I received an email from a Scouter Friend in the Alamo Area Council which
indicates

the State of Texas has developed and is now implementing a "New & Improved"
Youth

Protection Training which supersedes the current BSA YPT , both in-person and
on-line

courses.

 

A specific code has been issued for all Leaders attending any residential Camp
in

the State of Texas, Scouting or otherwise.

 

My friend alerted me to see if any States in the Northeast were experiencing the
same.

 

His email message indicated the newly required IN PERSON training is needed for
any

Leader & Staff Members attending residential Camps.  Short-term visitors &
parents are not

subject to this new State Law instituted earlier this year, 2012.

 

Anyone on the list from Texas, I would be interested in hearing your comments as
to the need

for the Texas State Law, not the need for YPT and its concerns. 

 

What has been added by the Texas Dept of Youth Services added to their
prescribed YPT to

require it? 



How thorough is the written test afterward??  (70% correct answers minimal
acceptance to pass)



This is a case as I understand thus far ALL CAMP groups are subject especially
to accreditations

and licenses. 


PS:  several Texas Council websites state the BSA YPT is still required as
matter of Adult Leader

registration implimented in 2010. 



Michael E. Clark
taskiagi261@...



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Its NOT new and Improved .. its still YPT ....

State of Texas classifies any long term camp or Day Camp as a "Day Care".   As
such, it subject to certain training requirements including Youth Protection.  
National used to have a test at the end of YPT on myscouting.org which showed
that you "passed" the course.   Since National has gotten rid of the "test", the
online course was no longer valid to meet the State of Texas requirements.

As such, we now have to teach classroom version of YPT and the person needs to
pass a test (though they can take it multiple times].  The test and attendance
record is kept on file at Council.  The classroom version of YPT still counts
toward the YPT requirement for being a Scout Leader and JTE.  I believe the code
in ScoutNet is the same, but there is a "special" code for the State of Texas. 
The DVD that is used the BSA Classroom Facilitated YPT DVD 2011 printing.  So
there really isn't much difference between the online and the classroom version
except the testing/documentation requirements.
Training can only be done by "certified" trainers (yours truly) at a course
authorized by the council.   It must be completed by anyone attending a camp
within 24 hrs of arrival (so folks coming in from out of state will take it when
they arrive to camp).

The bottom line its still BSA YPT.  Either course satisfies the BSA requirements
for any of its programs.  The Classroom version is only to meet State of Texas
Day Care requirements.

I hope that answers most of the questions.  There are some silly little details
like requiring anyone teaching "content" to be YPT Classroom certified ..like
Policeman and Fireman coming in to give a demonstration but its beyond the scope
of this group.

On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Mike Clark wrote:

>
>
> Curiosity has be best of me today;
>
>
>
> I received an email from a Scouter Friend in the Alamo Area Council which
indicates
>
> the State of Texas has developed and is now implementing a "New & Improved"
Youth
>
> Protection Training which supersedes the current BSA YPT , both in-person and
on-line
>
> courses.
>
>
>
> A specific code has been issued for all Leaders attending any residential Camp
in
>
> the State of Texas, Scouting or otherwise.
>
>
>
> My friend alerted me to see if any States in the Northeast were experiencing
the same.
>
>
>
> His email message indicated the newly required IN PERSON training is needed
for any
>
> Leader & Staff Members attending residential Camps.  Short-term visitors &
parents are not
>
> subject to this new State Law instituted earlier this year, 2012.
>
>
>
> Anyone on the list from Texas, I would be interested in hearing your comments
as to the need
>
> for the Texas State Law, not the need for YPT and its concerns.
>
>
>
> What has been added by the Texas Dept of Youth Services added to their
prescribed YPT to
>
> require it?
>
> How thorough is the written test afterward??  (70% correct answers minimal
acceptance to pass)
>
> This is a case as I understand thus far ALL CAMP groups are subject especially
to accreditations
>
> and licenses.
>
> PS:  several Texas Council websites state the BSA YPT is still required as
matter of Adult Leader
>
> registration implimented in 2010.
>
> Michael E. Clark
> taskiagi261@...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

And how does this affect out-of-state troops attending Texas camps? Gonna be a
little hard for those guys to attend training in a distant state in order to
attend the camp.
�
In Scouting and Service,
Doc Marshall
SM, T186
--- On Thu, 3/29/12, Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...> wrote:


From: Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...>
Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] State of Texas, New Youth Protection training issued
To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 6:31 PM


Its NOT new and Improved .. its still YPT ....

State of Texas classifies any long term camp or Day Camp as a "Day Care".���As
such, it subject to certain training requirements including Youth
Protection.���National used to have a test at the end of YPT on myscouting.org
which showed that you "passed" the course.���Since National has gotten rid of
the "test", the online course was no longer valid to meet the State of Texas
requirements.

As such, we now have to teach classroom version of YPT and the person needs to
pass a test (though they can take it multiple times].� The test and attendance
record is kept on file at Council.� The classroom version of YPT still counts
toward the YPT requirement for being a Scout Leader and JTE.� I believe the code
in ScoutNet is the same, but there is a "special" code for the State of Texas.�
The DVD that is used the BSA Classroom Facilitated YPT DVD 2011 printing.� So
there really isn't much difference between the online and the classroom version
except the testing/documentation requirements.
Training can only be done by "certified" trainers (yours truly) at a course
authorized by the council.���It must be completed by anyone attending a camp
within 24 hrs of arrival (so folks coming in from out of state will take it when
they arrive to camp).

The bottom line its still BSA YPT.� Either course satisfies the BSA requirements
for any of its programs.� The Classroom version is only to meet State of Texas
Day Care requirements.

I hope that answers most of the questions.� There are some silly little details
like requiring anyone teaching "content" to be YPT Classroom certified ..like
Policeman and Fireman coming in to give a demonstration but its beyond the scope
of this group.

On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Mike Clark wrote:

>
>
> Curiosity has be best of me today;
>
>���
>
> I received an email from a Scouter Friend in the Alamo Area Council which
indicates
>
> the State of Texas has developed and is now implementing a "New & Improved"
Youth
>
> Protection Training which supersedes the current BSA YPT , both in-person and
on-line
>
> courses.
>
>���
>
> A specific code has been issued for all Leaders attending any residential Camp
in
>
> the State of Texas, Scouting or otherwise.
>
>���
>
> My friend alerted me to see if any States in the Northeast were experiencing
the same.
>
>���
>
> His email message indicated the newly required IN PERSON training is needed
for any
>
> Leader & Staff Members attending residential Camps.� Short-term visitors &
parents are not
>
> subject to this new State Law instituted earlier this year, 2012.
>
>���
>
> Anyone on the list from Texas, I would be interested in hearing your comments
as to the need
>
> for the Texas State Law, not the need for YPT and its concerns.�
>
>���
>
> What has been added by the Texas Dept of Youth Services added to their
prescribed YPT to
>
> require it?�
>
> How thorough is the written test afterward??� (70% correct answers minimal
acceptance to pass)
>
> This is a case as I understand thus far ALL CAMP groups are subject especially
to accreditations
>
> and licenses.�
>
> PS:� several Texas Council websites state the BSA YPT is still required as
matter of Adult Leader
>
> registration implimented in 2010.�
>
> Michael E. Clark
> taskiagi261@...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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"It must be completed by anyone attending a camp within 24 hrs of arrival (so
folks coming in from out of state will take it when they arrive to camp)."

Those coming from out of state will have a mandatory class (about an hour)  to
take when they arrive at camp.  The class will be taught at the camp.

On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:52 PM, doc marshall wrote:

> And how does this affect out-of-state troops attending Texas camps? Gonna be a
little hard for those guys to attend training in a distant state in order to
attend the camp.
>
> In Scouting and Service,
> Doc Marshall
> SM, T186
> --- On Thu, 3/29/12, Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...> wrote:
>
> From: Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...>
> Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] State of Texas, New Youth Protection training issued
> To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 6:31 PM
>
> Its NOT new and Improved .. its still YPT ....
>
> State of Texas classifies any long term camp or Day Camp as a "Day Care".   As
such, it subject to certain training requirements including Youth Protection.  
National used to have a test at the end of YPT on myscouting.org which showed
that you "passed" the course.   Since National has gotten rid of the "test", the
online course was no longer valid to meet the State of Texas requirements.
>
> As such, we now have to teach classroom version of YPT and the person needs to
pass a test (though they can take it multiple times].  The test and attendance
record is kept on file at Council.  The classroom version of YPT still counts
toward the YPT requirement for being a Scout Leader and JTE.  I believe the code
in ScoutNet is the same, but there is a "special" code for the State of Texas. 
The DVD that is used the BSA Classroom Facilitated YPT DVD 2011 printing.  So
there really isn't much difference between the online and the classroom version
except the testing/documentation requirements.
> Training can only be done by "certified" trainers (yours truly) at a course
authorized by the council.   It must be completed by anyone attending a camp
within 24 hrs of arrival (so folks coming in from out of state will take it when
they arrive to camp).
>
> The bottom line its still BSA YPT.  Either course satisfies the BSA
requirements for any of its programs.  The Classroom version is only to meet
State of Texas Day Care requirements.
>
> I hope that answers most of the questions.  There are some silly little
details like requiring anyone teaching "content" to be YPT Classroom certified
..like Policeman and Fireman coming in to give a demonstration but its beyond
the scope of this group.
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Mike Clark wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Curiosity has be best of me today;
> >
> >
> >
> > I received an email from a Scouter Friend in the Alamo Area Council which
indicates
> >
> > the State of Texas has developed and is now implementing a "New & Improved"
Youth
> >
> > Protection Training which supersedes the current BSA YPT , both in-person
and on-line
> >
> > courses.
> >
> >
> >
> > A specific code has been issued for all Leaders attending any residential
Camp in
> >
> > the State of Texas, Scouting or otherwise.
> >
> >
> >
> > My friend alerted me to see if any States in the Northeast were experiencing
the same.
> >
> >
> >
> > His email message indicated the newly required IN PERSON training is needed
for any
> >
> > Leader & Staff Members attending residential Camps.  Short-term visitors &
parents are not
> >
> > subject to this new State Law instituted earlier this year, 2012.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone on the list from Texas, I would be interested in hearing your
comments as to the need
> >
> > for the Texas State Law, not the need for YPT and its concerns.
> >
> >
> >
> > What has been added by the Texas Dept of Youth Services added to their
prescribed YPT to
> >
> > require it?
> >
> > How thorough is the written test afterward??  (70% correct answers minimal
acceptance to pass)
> >
> > This is a case as I understand thus far ALL CAMP groups are subject
especially to accreditations
> >
> > and licenses.
> >
> > PS:  several Texas Council websites state the BSA YPT is still required as
matter of Adult Leader
> >
> > registration implimented in 2010.
> >
> > Michael E. Clark
> > taskiagi261@...
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> For subscription and delevery options send a message to:
>   scouter_t-help@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all,

This is interesting as a fellow scouter, heavily involved with venturing in
our area, just approached me on Monday and said he'd heard that a local
group was traveling somewhere out west (We're Ohio), and stopped over night
to camp in Texas. According to him, this troop had just set up camp (this
was NOT a summer camp or day camp or something, just passing through) and
were approached by authorities asking to see their Texas specific YPT
certificates. They said they were BSA YPT certified but they didn't have
certificates on them. Apparently they were asked to pick up camp and move
on out of state.

This sounds like a he said she said kind of story and probably isn't 100%
accurate. But still.... the mis-information seems to be out there.

Andrew

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...> wrote:

> "It must be completed by anyone attending a camp within 24 hrs of arrival
> (so folks coming in from out of state will take it when they arrive to
> camp)."
>
> Those coming from out of state will have a mandatory class (about an hour)
>  to take when they arrive at camp.  The class will be taught at the camp.
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:52 PM, doc marshall wrote:
>
> > And how does this affect out-of-state troops attending Texas camps?
> Gonna be a little hard for those guys to attend training in a distant state
> in order to attend the camp.
> >
> > In Scouting and Service,
> > Doc Marshall
> > SM, T186
> > --- On Thu, 3/29/12, Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...>
> > Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] State of Texas, New Youth Protection training
> issued
> > To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 6:31 PM
> >
> > Its NOT new and Improved .. its still YPT ....
> >
> > State of Texas classifies any long term camp or Day Camp as a "Day
> Care".   As such, it subject to certain training requirements including
> Youth Protection.   National used to have a test at the end of YPT on
> myscouting.org which showed that you "passed" the course.   Since
> National has gotten rid of the "test", the online course was no longer
> valid to meet the State of Texas requirements.
> >
> > As such, we now have to teach classroom version of YPT and the person
> needs to pass a test (though they can take it multiple times].  The test
> and attendance record is kept on file at Council.  The classroom version of
> YPT still counts toward the YPT requirement for being a Scout Leader and
> JTE.  I believe the code in ScoutNet is the same, but there is a "special"
> code for the State of Texas.  The DVD that is used the BSA Classroom
> Facilitated YPT DVD 2011 printing.  So there really isn't much difference
> between the online and the classroom version except the
> testing/documentation requirements.
> > Training can only be done by "certified" trainers (yours truly) at a
> course authorized by the council.   It must be completed by anyone
> attending a camp within 24 hrs of arrival (so folks coming in from out of
> state will take it when they arrive to camp).
> >
> > The bottom line its still BSA YPT.  Either course satisfies the BSA
> requirements for any of its programs.  The Classroom version is only to
> meet State of Texas Day Care requirements.
> >
> > I hope that answers most of the questions.  There are some silly little
> details like requiring anyone teaching "content" to be YPT Classroom
> certified ..like Policeman and Fireman coming in to give a demonstration
> but its beyond the scope of this group.
> >
> > On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Mike Clark wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Curiosity has be best of me today;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I received an email from a Scouter Friend in the Alamo Area Council
> which indicates
> > >
> > > the State of Texas has developed and is now implementing a "New &
> Improved" Youth
> > >
> > > Protection Training which supersedes the current BSA YPT , both
> in-person and on-line
> > >
> > > courses.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A specific code has been issued for all Leaders attending any
> residential Camp in
> > >
> > > the State of Texas, Scouting or otherwise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My friend alerted me to see if any States in the Northeast were
> experiencing the same.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > His email message indicated the newly required IN PERSON training is
> needed for any
> > >
> > > Leader & Staff Members attending residential Camps.  Short-term
> visitors & parents are not
> > >
> > > subject to this new State Law instituted earlier this year, 2012.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone on the list from Texas, I would be interested in hearing your
> comments as to the need
> > >
> > > for the Texas State Law, not the need for YPT and its concerns.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What has been added by the Texas Dept of Youth Services added to their
> prescribed YPT to
> > >
> > > require it?
> > >
> > > How thorough is the written test afterward??  (70% correct answers
> minimal acceptance to pass)
> > >
> > > This is a case as I understand thus far ALL CAMP groups are subject
> especially to accreditations
> > >
> > > and licenses.
> > >
> > > PS:  several Texas Council websites state the BSA YPT is still
> required as matter of Adult Leader
> > >
> > > registration implimented in 2010.
> > >
> > > Michael E. Clark
> > > taskiagi261@...
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > For subscription and delevery options send a message to:
> >   scouter_t-help@yahoogroups.com
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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Andrew

Tristeza n�o tem fim, felicidade sim.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The only way I would give this any credibility is if they stopped at a licensed
youth camp overnight.  They would be subject to the same rules as any other
staff or volunteer on the property.  The Texas statues apply to all youth camps
in Texas, not but BSA camps.

Doug said it well, the problem arose when the test was eliminated from the
on-line YPT training.  Texas requires a test of at least 25 questions.






________________________________
From: Andrew R. Hinkle <nikonikobin@...>
To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 30, 2012 12:24:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] State of Texas, New Youth Protection training issued

 
Hi all,

This is interesting as a fellow scouter, heavily involved with venturing in
our area, just approached me on Monday and said he'd heard that a local
group was traveling somewhere out west (We're Ohio), and stopped over night
to camp in Texas. According to him, this troop had just set up camp (this
was NOT a summer camp or day camp or something, just passing through) and
were approached by authorities asking to see their Texas specific YPT
certificates. They said they were BSA YPT certified but they didn't have
certificates on them. Apparently they were asked to pick up camp and move
on out of state.

This sounds like a he said she said kind of story and probably isn't 100%
accurate. But still.... the mis-information seems to be out there.

Andrew

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...> wrote:

> "It must be completed by anyone attending a camp within 24 hrs of arrival
> (so folks coming in from out of state will take it when they arrive to
> camp)."
>
> Those coming from out of state will have a mandatory class (about an hour)
> to take when they arrive at camp. The class will be taught at the camp.
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:52 PM, doc marshall wrote:
>
> > And how does this affect out-of-state troops attending Texas camps?
> Gonna be a little hard for those guys to attend training in a distant state
> in order to attend the camp.
> >
> > In Scouting and Service,
> > Doc Marshall
> > SM, T186
> > --- On Thu, 3/29/12, Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Douglas L. Acker <dacker@...>
> > Subject: Re: [Scouter_T] State of Texas, New Youth Protection training
> issued
> > To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 6:31 PM
> >
> > Its NOT new and Improved .. its still YPT ....
> >
> > State of Texas classifies any long term camp or Day Camp as a "Day
> Care". As such, it subject to certain training requirements including
> Youth Protection. National used to have a test at the end of YPT on
> myscouting.org which showed that you "passed" the course. Since
> National has gotten rid of the "test", the online course was no longer
> valid to meet the State of Texas requirements.
> >
> > As such, we now have to teach classroom version of YPT and the person
> needs to pass a test (though they can take it multiple times]. The test
> and attendance record is kept on file at Council. The classroom version of
> YPT still counts toward the YPT requirement for being a Scout Leader and
> JTE. I believe the code in ScoutNet is the same, but there is a "special"
> code for the State of Texas. The DVD that is used the BSA Classroom
> Facilitated YPT DVD 2011 printing. So there really isn't much difference
> between the online and the classroom version except the
> testing/documentation requirements.
> > Training can only be done by "certified" trainers (yours truly) at a
> course authorized by the council. It must be completed by anyone
> attending a camp within 24 hrs of arrival (so folks coming in from out of
> state will take it when they arrive to camp).
> >
> > The bottom line its still BSA YPT. Either course satisfies the BSA
> requirements for any of its programs. The Classroom version is only to
> meet State of Texas Day Care requirements.
> >
> > I hope that answers most of the questions. There are some silly little
> details like requiring anyone teaching "content" to be YPT Classroom
> certified ..like Policeman and Fireman coming in to give a demonstration
> but its beyond the scope of this group.
> >
> > On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Mike Clark wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Curiosity has be best of me today;
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I received an email from a Scouter Friend in the Alamo Area Council
> which indicates
> > >
> > > the State of Texas has developed and is now implementing a "New &
> Improved" Youth
> > >
> > > Protection Training which supersedes the current BSA YPT , both
> in-person and on-line
> > >
> > > courses.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A specific code has been issued for all Leaders attending any
> residential Camp in
> > >
> > > the State of Texas, Scouting or otherwise.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My friend alerted me to see if any States in the Northeast were
> experiencing the same.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > His email message indicated the newly required IN PERSON training is
> needed for any
> > >
> > > Leader & Staff Members attending residential Camps. Short-term
> visitors & parents are not
> > >
> > > subject to this new State Law instituted earlier this year, 2012.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone on the list from Texas, I would be interested in hearing your
> comments as to the need
> > >
> > > for the Texas State Law, not the need for YPT and its concerns.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What has been added by the Texas Dept of Youth Services added to their
> prescribed YPT to
> > >
> > > require it?
> > >
> > > How thorough is the written test afterward?? (70% correct answers
> minimal acceptance to pass)
> > >
> > > This is a case as I understand thus far ALL CAMP groups are subject
> especially to accreditations
> > >
> > > and licenses.
> > >
> > > PS: several Texas Council websites state the BSA YPT is still
> required as matter of Adult Leader
> > >
> > > registration implimented in 2010.
> > >
> > > Michael E. Clark
> > > taskiagi261@...
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > For subscription and delevery options send a message to:
> > scouter_t-help@yahoogroups.com
> >
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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Tristeza não tem fim, felicidade sim.

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is indirectly related to this group, but I am hoping someone can help me
out none the less.  I was a member of the CS Talk yahoo group, but haven't
participated in the group for about a year.  When I went to find the group and
look something up, I couldn't find the group.  Is it gone? Has it moved? I know
there are a few members of this group that were in that group as well so I am
hoping someone can tell me where it went and where I should go now?

Ryan
Ore-Ida Council

Yahoo shut it down and thus it was renamed from cub-scout-talk to
cub_scout_talk - hope this helps...

Scott Robertson
http://insanescouter.org
http://twitter.com/scoutbot
http://facebook.com/scoutbot

On 03/30/2012 06:26 PM, Ryan L wrote:
>
> This is indirectly related to this group, but I am hoping someone can
> help me out none the less. I was a member of the CS Talk yahoo group,
> but haven't participated in the group for about a year. When I went to
> find the group and look something up, I couldn't find the group. Is it
> gone? Has it moved? I know there are a few members of this group that
> were in that group as well so I am hoping someone can tell me where it
> went and where I should go now?
>
> Ryan
> Ore-Ida Council
>



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On 03/30/2012 9:26 PM, Ryan L wrote:
> This is indirectly related to this group, but I am hoping someone can help me
out none the less.  I was a member of the CS Talk yahoo group, but haven't
participated in the group for about a year.  When I went to find the group and
look something up, I couldn't find the group.  Is it gone? Has it moved? I know
there are a few members of this group that were in that group as well so I am
hoping someone can tell me where it went and where I should go now?


It was Yahoo'd.  ;-)    One day we all woke up and it was gone.
After waiting for Yahoo to resurrect it, the towel was thrown in and it
was re-started with a slightly different name.

The new group: <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cub_Scout_Talk/>
To subscribe:  Cub_Scout_Talk-subscribe@yahoogroups.com


--
Yours in Scouting,

Lisa Titus
CM Pack 358 http://www.pack358.us
ASM Troop 459 http://www.troop459.us
I used to be a Bear ... NE-I-250
I used to be a Staffer ... NE-I-272 & N1-330-12-1




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Thanks Scott and Lisa!

Ryan
Ore-ida Council

--- In scouter_t@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Titus <bearmitzvah@...> wrote:
>
> On 03/30/2012 9:26 PM, Ryan L wrote:
> > This is indirectly related to this group, but I am hoping someone can help
me out none the less.  I was a member of the CS Talk yahoo group, but haven't
participated in the group for about a year.  When I went to find the group and
look something up, I couldn't find the group.  Is it gone? Has it moved? I know
there are a few members of this group that were in that group as well so I am
hoping someone can tell me where it went and where I should go now?
>
>
> It was Yahoo'd.  ;-)    One day we all woke up and it was gone.
> After waiting for Yahoo to resurrect it, the towel was thrown in and it
> was re-started with a slightly different name.
>
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Looking for info for a class on commissioner history, found this by Mike Walton,
but link bad.  Anyone help or have other info?
Thanks
Dan

Hi Dan, 

Well Mike Walton is an excellent source of information and I expect he will get
the broken link fixed once he knows about the problem. I have a little
information about commissioners on this page.

http://pushies.com/commissioner.html 


I hope it helps.

~Rick



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> From: danielgrummert <dangrummert@...>
>To: scouter_t@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:24 AM
>Subject: [Scouter_T] Thumbnail History fo Commissioner Service
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> 
>Looking for info for a class on commissioner history, found this by Mike
Walton, but link bad.  Anyone help or have other info?
>Thanks
>Dan
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