Looking for a list of what has changed in the last 10 years that would encourage an old time Scouter to retake SM Specific. Thoughts?...
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Mark Sowden
marksowden...
Feb 25, 2011 4:06 pm
Society, the Scouts--their interests, their activities, how adults interactions with boys has changed, rank requirements. Only two sorts of people can benefit...
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Gerry
gerrymoon32817
Feb 26, 2011 12:45 pm
1. I am resistant to change in an ever-evolving program 2. I am resistant to change in an ever-evolving culture 3. "We've always done it this way" 4. "Back in...
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Jillscout@...
tanneyjill
Feb 26, 2011 12:51 pm
How about It is an opportunity to refresh with the new 21st century jargon and this is a chance for you to share your vast knowledge and skills with...
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Judy Yeager
kcjscout
Mar 1, 2011 9:30 pm
The National website says testing out of IOLS is an option. Does anyone have an outline of how this is done and/or paperwork associated with an existing test...
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mcquaidfam@...
memcquaidfam
Mar 1, 2011 10:22 pm
Hi, We here in Boston Minuteman Council have had this as an option for over 5 years. On a Saturday morning, hopeful adults arrive with their backpack as if...
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fv_training02@...
fvtrainer02
Mar 1, 2011 10:33 pm
Judy, It has been a while, but the outline for testing out was at the back of the IOLS syllabus. I never used it, but our current training chairman is...
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The Rooneys
copperskipro
Mar 1, 2011 11:03 pm
Marian, What a wonderful idea! I'm going to implement it ASAP. Would you be kind enough to send over a checklist? (Any other materials, like setup maps, promo...
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pjolds
Mar 2, 2011 12:09 am
Greetings! I have just recently joined the group and thought I would respond to this topic. But first, let me introduce myself. I am Paula Ball, the training...
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David Gottshall
gottshalld
Mar 2, 2011 3:41 am
While the Test Out option has been available for IOLS for sometime now, there are significant reasons why it should NOT be used. Irrespective to how well it is...
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pjolds
Mar 2, 2011 3:55 am
David, I agree with everything you've said about IOLS. Our training team definitely prefers to put on the full course as outlined in the syllabus. Council,...
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Maria
yelruh19355
Mar 2, 2011 4:06 pm
I haven't seen it done. When I took the training there were several people taking the course who really didn't need it. They were all boys 18-22 or so who were...
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Scouter Chuck
antelope95
Mar 2, 2011 4:53 pm
I remember that there was a discussion on this a few months ago, but I can't find it in my email archives. I also remember that someone posted a link to the...
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Scouter Chuck
antelope95
Mar 2, 2011 5:06 pm
Bill: ... I have to admit that I'm in somewhat of the same boat. And, I haven't seen the need for me to retake that training as my interests and...
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Scouter Chuck
antelope95
Mar 2, 2011 5:11 pm
Gerry wrote: [snip] ... You've been watching too many commercials. :/ Also, the way you wrote that, it sounds like you don't think much of the newer program....
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doc marshall
deutche01
Mar 2, 2011 8:08 pm
Yes, I would recommend re-taking the course. The syllabus changed a couple of years ago and, while the basics are the same, there are some new items that you...
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Herb
hadulzo
Mar 2, 2011 9:13 pm
If you long on to myscouting there is a test that asks a series of questions checking your knowledge, evaluates your answers and tells you what training you...
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Bill
bnelson45
Mar 3, 2011 1:00 am
That test is longer than some of the courses Bill...
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Gerry
gerrymoon32817
Mar 3, 2011 4:29 am
On the contrary. I don't think much of those old-timers who just cannot see the benefit of keeping current in the program. I'm reminded of some other groups in...
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Herb
hadulzo
Mar 3, 2011 3:41 pm
Using logic of why bother what's the point of renewing CPR? I help training with OLS sessions to keep sharp and I swear everytime I do it i learn something...
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David Wildschuetz
shamanlsn
Mar 3, 2011 8:14 pm
... Look at it this way. Pretend you are paramedic. You use CPR once or twice a week. You attend staff meetings once a month, where minor changes to...
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Ed Mitchell
stcmtemn
Mar 3, 2011 9:00 pm
<Snip> but you want to teach an Eagle Scout "how to camp"? Really? <snip> I have been the course director for the past four District IOLS courses. This is not...
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David Wildschuetz
shamanlsn
Mar 3, 2011 9:45 pm
Continuing education is not the same thing as re-taking the same course. And, would you NOT consider roundtables a form of conrtinuing education? If not,...
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Ed Mitchell
stcmtemn
Mar 3, 2011 10:08 pm
If you are only doing a full day session, I would say you are already getting a break, the course outline calls for Friday to Sunday. If you feel you already...
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Ken
kenking1960
Mar 3, 2011 10:53 pm
Dear Scout Training Colleagues: We are seeking your help in alerting local council and district training chairs to the Philmont Training Center conference,...
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Gerry
gerrymoon32817
Mar 4, 2011 2:10 am
Really. IOLS doesn't teach "how to camp". It teaches adult leaders how to teach the outdoor skills Tenderfoot thru First Class to youth. If you didn't get that...
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Gerry
gerrymoon32817
Mar 4, 2011 2:14 am
From time to time, the syllabus changes. It might NOT be the same course, depending on the time frame. There have been recent changes in many of the courses....
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ChristopherCPearson@...
Mar 4, 2011 2:26 am
I've been waiting for someone to point that out :) Walking Softly, Chris Pearson Trainer & Consultant Pearson Outdoor Education 206-550-3579 ... [Non-text...
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David Wildschuetz
shamanlsn
Mar 4, 2011 3:35 am
Okay....I'll admit that I over-simplified what is learned in IOLS, but really a lot of what I recall of it is used by Scouts all the time. Are you saying that...
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Connie Knie
connie_knie
Mar 4, 2011 3:46 am
Ok I hope that I am not "nit picking" because I really don't mean to. But seriously I do know 18 year old Eagle Scouts who can't teach!! Why just because they...
