On Monday 12 June 2006 20:58, Aurora Ellis wrote:
>
> DO NOT open email "New Graphic Site" it's a virus.
[...]
>   This has effected a couple groups I belong too....not mine that I am
>   aware of.

The SCANewcomers group is configured to automatically remove attachments,
precisely to prevent this situation. This has been true of this group for
as long as I've been moderating it.

The virus is for real, but we should be okay here as long as that YahooGroup
administrative setting works as advertised. I run Linux, so what works as a
virus in Windows just looks like an unknown binary attachment to me, and is
clearly visible. I haven't seen any of those come in from this list.

For future reference, although I don't mind Aurora's post here (since it is
a real virus), there are a *ton* of virus hoaxes out there that fool a lot
of people. In general, if you are wanting to send out a virus warning to
this list, I would appreciate it if you would send it to me first so that
we can verify whether or not it's a hoax. You can reach me by sending mail to
scanewcomers-owner [at] yahoogroups.com. Once we've validated that the threat
is real -- and that it actually applies to this list -- I can send out the
message under the "moderator" auspices so folks know it's official. Everyone
benefits, and we avoid the risk of having virus hoax messages posted here.

Again, no criticism of Aurora intended here. She passed along useful info,
having no preexisting instructions to the contrary. I'm looking at the next
such situation, not this one. :-)

Justin
Who is very glad he runs Linux and doesn't have to deal with this stuff much.

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justin@...        PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey

I'm brand spanking new to the SCA. My kingdom is Calontir and my shire
is Standing Stones/Wyvern Cliffe. I recently attended the War College
in Hallsville, MO in May and I just got back from War of the Lillies. I
am having a BLAST but I also know that I need to get serious and decide
on a period, name and persona. This is very intimidating and so I am
looking for some gracious individuals to point me in the right
direction and help me get started.

Quoting Julie <cy80t1ca@...>:

> I'm brand spanking new to the SCA. My kingdom is Calontir and my shire
> is Standing Stones/Wyvern Cliffe. I recently attended the War College
> in Hallsville, MO in May and I just got back from War of the Lillies. I
> am having a BLAST but I also know that I need to get serious and decide
> on a period, name and persona. This is very intimidating and so I am
> looking for some gracious individuals to point me in the right
> direction and help me get started.

Mind you, we all have different opinions -- which should tell you that
there's no *right* way to do things.  You'll want to find your own
"comfort zone" and "standard of authenticity" as things progress.

Having said all that ... Welcome!

Some folks want their name, their persona, and their garb to match --
and they never step outside that place.  Other folks have several
different "temporal locales" that they explore (and some even have a
different name/persona to go with each one!).  To paraphrase one ladies
sig "I'm a child of the 60s ... 1160, 1260, 1360 ..."

Other folks select a name, and what they want to wear, and the persona
story comes later -- if at all -- and they don't have to match, nor do
they have to include all the aspects of your SCA life.  There are folks
that get some *really* convoluted persona stories because they feel the
need to explain everything that they enjoy doing in the SCA -- like how
does a woman know how to read?  There are several "persona
questionaires" on the web if you want to go that route.  I can probably
dig up the URLs for you

I've seen (and it may have been on this list) a list of things to *not*
do immediately.  You know, get your feet wet, do a little research, and
*then* decide!  You don't have to do it all immediately -- it can be
easy to feel overwhelmed that way.

Just remember you're here to have fun!

Jerusha, in Meridies
-----
Susan Farmer
sfarmer@...
University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/

Julie wrote:
> . . .I need to get serious and decide on a period, name and persona.
> This is very intimidating and so I am looking for some gracious
> individuals to point me in the right direction and help me get
> started.

First, let me assure you that there is no hurry.  You NEED to decide
only if YOU need to decide, if you know what I mean. . .the motivating
factor should be your desire to do it, not the belief that you have to.
   I know people who've been in the S.C.A. for a decade or more who wear
"generic medieval" clothing (or dress to suit each event's theme, or
the weather, or a whim) and have picked only a first name (usually one
of the Norman ones, or a Biblical one--something that translates well
from culture to culture, like William/Guillaume/Wilhelm or
Mary/Marie/Maria, because they, too are sort of "generic medieval").
Some of them even have titles, given to them under those first names
with "of <their local SCA branch>" as a last name.

Assuming you WANT to decide, and want a fully-developed persona where
everything "makes sense" together, here's my recommendation:

Step 1:  Think about what's really important to you as a SCAdian.
Fencing?  Big, poofy dresses with pearls sewn on their bodices?  Doing
Opus Anglicanum?  Learning more about Spain?  Not having to be
Christian?  Using your own hand-made stoneware at feast?  The idea is
to identify those elements that you really want to make a big part of
your SCA experience, and pick a persona into which those elements fit
logically.  Often, when you read that list, where/when you should "be
from" becomes VERY obvious.  And even if it isn't, you should be able
to use it to start narrowing down your options.  (Don't feel, by the
way, that absolutely everything you ever dabble in has to be justified
for your persona.  Note the use of the word "important" and the phrase
"big part", above.)

Step 2:  Visit the Medieval Names Archive
<http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/>.  Read the articles on choosing a
medieval name.  Then visit the guides to names for the culture(s)
you're considering.  Or, if you haven't narrowed it down that far yet,
pick a few that seem likely (countries you've always wanted to visit,
cultures whose music or art you admire, etc.) and read up on those.
You may find the names from certain cultures grate on your ear, while
others seem to resonate.  Remember you're choosing a name to use every
day, not just to put on scrolls.  You want to like the sound of it, and
be willing to answer to it.  (What's the point of picking out an
authentic moniker if you're going to end up telling everybody to call
you "Candy" because it just doesn't sound like YOU?)

Step 3:  Visit the costume and clothing section of the Atlantian A&S
Links site
<http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?
action=displaycat&catid=10>, and look at the recommended resources for
the cultures and periods you're most strongly considering.  If there's
not much there (or even if there is, but you want more), go to the Web
Gallery of Art <http://www.wga.hu/index.html> or the Artchive
<http://artchive.com/ftp_site.htm> and look at period images.  (This
will be more effective for later periods.)  Some of the clothing may
make you giggle, or wrinkle your nose in distaste.  You may think, "No
WAY I'd go out in public in THAT!", or, "Ooh!  I want one!", or, "Now
THAT looks comfortable!" when you see what's characteristic.  Or you
might realize that you don't have and don't plan to develop the skills
necessary to make it, and must consider whether you could afford to buy
everything you'll need.  Remember you're choosing clothes to WEAR,
maybe for a week or more at a time (if you go to the big wars).  You
want to like the look of them, and feel good putting them on.

Step 4:  Consider all of the things you learned about yourself in steps
1 through 3.  Is there a single place/time that stands out, now, as
being "just right" for you?  If not, investigate the front runners--the
politics of the time, the other cultures with which they had regular
contact, the technologies they used.  Remember, the S.C.A. is all about
learning.  If you pick a persona from a place and time you find
interesting, you'll enjoy fleshing it out more, and will ultimately
learn more in the process.


If you do all of that and still don't know what your persona should be,
you're not ready to pick one.  Chill out, enjoy getting your feet wet,
and wait for inspiration.  There's no rush.



Coblaith Mhuimhneach
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
<mailto:Coblaith@...>

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Thanks...I was starting to feel pressured. I just got back from War of the
Lillies last night and I saw a lot of garb that I liked. My main concern is
comfortable, inexpensive garb. I figured I would decide what type of garb I
like, get the period specifics on it and then pick a name from that period.

   I suppose I let myself get overwhelmed when people told me that I had to
research a name that would probably be rejected several times, then endure the
same misery for my device/colors (why is it called a "device" anyway?), then I
would have to create a persona, etc. etc. etc. and by the time they were done
listing everything I would need I was ready to quit. Now, I've learned that
there are people who love that sort of thing...they live for it...that sounds
too much like work to me.


Coblaith Mhuimhneach <Coblaith@...> wrote:
           Julie wrote:
> . . .I need to get serious and decide on a period, name and persona.
> This is very intimidating and so I am looking for some gracious
> individuals to point me in the right direction and help me get
> started.

First, let me assure you that there is no hurry. You NEED to decide
only if YOU need to decide, if you know what I mean. . .the motivating
factor should be your desire to do it, not the belief that you have to.
I know people who've been in the S.C.A. for a decade or more who wear
"generic medieval" clothing (or dress to suit each event's theme, or
the weather, or a whim) and have picked only a first name (usually one
of the Norman ones, or a Biblical one--something that translates well
from culture to culture, like William/Guillaume/Wilhelm or
Mary/Marie/Maria, because they, too are sort of "generic medieval").
Some of them even have titles, given to them under those first names
with "of <their local SCA branch>" as a last name.

Assuming you WANT to decide, and want a fully-developed persona where
everything "makes sense" together, here's my recommendation:

Step 1: Think about what's really important to you as a SCAdian.
Fencing? Big, poofy dresses with pearls sewn on their bodices? Doing
Opus Anglicanum? Learning more about Spain? Not having to be
Christian? Using your own hand-made stoneware at feast? The idea is
to identify those elements that you really want to make a big part of
your SCA experience, and pick a persona into which those elements fit
logically. Often, when you read that list, where/when you should "be
from" becomes VERY obvious. And even if it isn't, you should be able
to use it to start narrowing down your options. (Don't feel, by the
way, that absolutely everything you ever dabble in has to be justified
for your persona. Note the use of the word "important" and the phrase
"big part", above.)

Step 2: Visit the Medieval Names Archive
<http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/>. Read the articles on choosing a
medieval name. Then visit the guides to names for the culture(s)
you're considering. Or, if you haven't narrowed it down that far yet,
pick a few that seem likely (countries you've always wanted to visit,
cultures whose music or art you admire, etc.) and read up on those.
You may find the names from certain cultures grate on your ear, while
others seem to resonate. Remember you're choosing a name to use every
day, not just to put on scrolls. You want to like the sound of it, and
be willing to answer to it. (What's the point of picking out an
authentic moniker if you're going to end up telling everybody to call
you "Candy" because it just doesn't sound like YOU?)

Step 3: Visit the costume and clothing section of the Atlantian A&S
Links site
<http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?
action=displaycat&catid=10>, and look at the recommended resources for
the cultures and periods you're most strongly considering. If there's
not much there (or even if there is, but you want more), go to the Web
Gallery of Art <http://www.wga.hu/index.html> or the Artchive
<http://artchive.com/ftp_site.htm> and look at period images. (This
will be more effective for later periods.) Some of the clothing may
make you giggle, or wrinkle your nose in distaste. You may think, "No
WAY I'd go out in public in THAT!", or, "Ooh! I want one!", or, "Now
THAT looks comfortable!" when you see what's characteristic. Or you
might realize that you don't have and don't plan to develop the skills
necessary to make it, and must consider whether you could afford to buy
everything you'll need. Remember you're choosing clothes to WEAR,
maybe for a week or more at a time (if you go to the big wars). You
want to like the look of them, and feel good putting them on.

Step 4: Consider all of the things you learned about yourself in steps
1 through 3. Is there a single place/time that stands out, now, as
being "just right" for you? If not, investigate the front runners--the
politics of the time, the other cultures with which they had regular
contact, the technologies they used. Remember, the S.C.A. is all about
learning. If you pick a persona from a place and time you find
interesting, you'll enjoy fleshing it out more, and will ultimately
learn more in the process.

If you do all of that and still don't know what your persona should be,
you're not ready to pick one. Chill out, enjoy getting your feet wet,
and wait for inspiration. There's no rush.

Coblaith Mhuimhneach
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
<mailto:Coblaith@...>

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Are there any specific cultures and/or time periods that interest you?  If
not, it may help to start looking at garb, music, food, etc. from
different times and places to find out what grabs you.  If you end up
being interested in the 12th-13th centuries in England, let me know.
That's what I am, and I'd love to help.  :)

Pax Christi
Lady Cecilia de Cambrige

> I'm brand spanking new to the SCA. My kingdom is Calontir and my shire
> is Standing Stones/Wyvern Cliffe. I recently attended the War College
> in Hallsville, MO in May and I just got back from War of the Lillies. I
> am having a BLAST but I also know that I need to get serious and decide
> on a period, name and persona. This is very intimidating and so I am
> looking for some gracious individuals to point me in the right
> direction and help me get started.
>
>
>
>
>
>


Pax Christi,
Sydney

Julie wrote:
> . . .I need to get serious and decide on a period, name and persona.
> This is very intimidating and so I am looking for some gracious
> individuals to point me in the right direction and help me get
> started.

I answered:
> First, let me assure you that there is no hurry. You NEED to decide
> only if YOU need to decide, if you know what I mean. . .the motivating
> factor should be your desire to do it, not the belief that you have
> to.

Julie said:
> Thanks...I was starting to feel pressured.. . .I suppose I let myself
> get overwhelmed when people told me that I had to research a name that
> would probably be rejected several times, then endure the same misery
> for my device/colors (why is it called a "device" anyway?), then I
> would have to create a persona, etc. etc. etc. and by the time they
> were done listing everything I would need I was ready to quit.

Oh, dear!

There's NOTHING you HAVE to do to be part of the SCA, other than show
up in clothes from before the 17th century.  I recommend (especially
since you said, "My main concern is comfortable, inexpensive garb,")
you start by making yourself some nice tunics, using period
construction like that outlined in Reconstructing History's "Your First
Garb" <http://reconstructinghistory.com/beginners/FirstGarb.html>.
Such tunics were worn from the beginning of the SCA millennium almost
to the end, all over Europe (with some variations in details like the
shapes of sleeves and necklines and the placement and type of trim).
They're economical of fabric, easy to make, and can be dressed up or
down easily.  And if you do eventually choose a persona, whatever it is
you'll be able to continue to make use of them.   Add a coif
<http://www.virtue.to/articles/coif.html>,  veil
<http://www.virtue.to/articles/veils.html>, or hood
<http://www.virtue.to/articles/hoodlum.html> to keep the sun off your
head and for that extra dash of authenticity (there were exceptions,
but most women covered their heads most of the time for most of the SCA
period, so covered is better "generic medieval" than bare).  Then get
yourself a plain leather belt with a simple buckle, a pouch or satchel
(or both) to keep your "stuff" in
<http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?
action=displaycat&catid=288>, and some unobtrusive shoes (or period
ones <http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/SHOEHOME.HTM>).
   You'll be well and truly ready to go.  Everything else can wait as
long as you want it to. . .forever, if that's your choice.

Even when you DO pick an SCA name, you don't have to register it.  And
because it does take months for one to go through the process, it's a
good idea to live with it for some time before you do.  (You don't want
to decide, when your paperwork is halfway through the gauntlet, that
you need to tweak it.)  Name rejection results from one of two things:
(a) it's not documentable as an authentic medieval or renaissance name
or (b) somebody else is already using it, or a close variation on it
(either in the Society, or famously in history).  You can avoid running
into those problems by (a) using the Medieval Names Archive
<http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/> or the resources of an experienced
herald to pick a truly medieval name (rather than setting your heart on
something you heard in a movie or read in a fantasy novel and then
demanding that SOMEBODY prove it's "real") and (b) having an
experienced herald check your name for conflicts BEFORE you submit it.
There's really no reason you should have trouble passing one, if you
don't ask for "stunt documentation" and don't jump the gun by sending
in your paperwork without doing or having someone else do the basic
groundwork first.

It's even less necessary that you register a device.  There aren't a
whole lot of places you'll use one, especially as a beginner, other
than on your shield if you fight.  (And even there you have options.
In Ansteorra, for instance, we have an ensign that any fighter can
bear.  It means "I'm Ansteorran," essentially, and some of our most
experienced fighters carry that instead of personal devices.)  It's
called a "device" because "device" is one of the period terms for the
thing, and the phrase "coat of arms" is reserved, within the Society,
for those who have been given the right to bear arms by their
sovereigns (i.e., those with Awards of Arms).


I'm glad you're no longer intimidated, and I hope you hang around and
enjoy yourself.


Coblaith Mhiumhneach
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
<mailto:Coblaith@...>

Hello. I look forward to conversing with as many of you as possible.


--
Troy Petersen
aka Symon de Ipswich
Barony of Sacred Stone
Canton of Hindscroft
http://troy27265.tripod.com/
yahoo messanger: symon_de_ipswich

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
            — I will either find a way or make one.   -Unknown-


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Tell us a bit about your SCA self/persona, and feel free to let us know if
you have any questions.  Welcome!

Pax Christi,
Lady Cecilia de Cambrige

> Hello. I look forward to conversing with as many of you as possible.
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> Troy Petersen
> aka Symon de Ipswich
> Barony of Sacred Stone
> Canton of Hindscroft
> http://troy27265.tripod.com/
> yahoo messanger: symon_de_ipswich
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> Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
>            — I will either find a way or make one.   -Unknown-
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Pax Christi,
Sydney

Well first I am a member of the Kingdom of Atlantia, Barony of Sacred Stone,
Canton of Hindscroft. My persona is English from the East Anglican town of
Ipswich. He would have lived in the mid 14th century, being born around the
year of our lord 1310. The year I have chosen as my 'present time' is 1342,
near the mid point of Edward III's reign (1327-1377). I am interested in
Heavy Combat and Mead brewing, as well as ancient coinage and latin.


--
Troy Petersen
aka Symon de Ipswich
Barony of Sacred Stone
Canton of Hindscroft
http://troy27265.tripod.com/   - My SCA homepage
yahoo messanger: symon_de_ipswich

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
            — I will either find a way or make one.   -Unknown-


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A couple of weeks ago someone posted a link to a site that sold Garb.
This particular link had a chemise on it I want to order. It was a
half chemise..if that makes any sense. I thought I bookmarked it but I
did not. There were many other items for sale too..Can anyone help?
Caiomhe
mka Renee

Do you remember what the name of the merchant was?  Can you tell us what
else he sell, how the site looks, etc.  Meanwhile, I'll do a chemise
search and see what I find.

> A couple of weeks ago someone posted a link to a site that sold Garb.
> This particular link had a chemise on it I want to order. It was a
> half chemise..if that makes any sense. I thought I bookmarked it but I
> did not. There were many other items for sale too..Can anyone help?
> Caiomhe
> mka Renee
>
>
>
>


Pax Christi,
Sydney

> A couple of weeks ago someone posted a link to a site that sold Garb.
> This particular link had a chemise on it I want to order. It was a
> half chemise..if that makes any sense. I thought I bookmarked it but I
> did not. There were many other items for sale too..Can anyone help?

If the link was posted to this list, you can probably find it by
searching the archives -

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scanewcomers/msearch_adv

-Aryanhwy


--
vita sine literis mors est
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/

You also don't need to view a persona as limiting. I think most of us are in
this to learn something of some form, and its silly to say "my persona is
16th century Spanish (as mine is), so he would -never- do/wear that!"  The
period I picked it one that I am very interested in, but that doesn't mean
its the only thing I am interested in.  I do fully intend to participate in
activities and wear garb from other periods/places as well.  You also don't
need to flesh it out in great detail if you don't want to.  Some people like
to come up with a story about the life of their persona, but if that doesn't
sound like a fun activity to you then don't do it. If you do though, please
come up with something believeable instead of "I was born in Ireland and
travelled to Spain where I was captured by pirates and taken to Persia where
I became a harem girl in the sultan's palace but then I escaped and made it
to China and eventually back to Europe along Marco Polo's trade route."

Basically what I'm trying to say (my own opinion of course) is that when you
do decide to sit down to figure out your persona, just flesh it out to the
point that if feels "right" to you, and look at it as something fun (you get
to pick the name you really want!) instead of something stressful and
limiting that will prevent you from doing interesting things if they aren't
worked in.

Gaspar Marti
Barony of Storvik, Kingdom of Atlantia

On 6/17/06, Julie Roberts <cy80t1ca@...> wrote:
>
>   Thanks...I was starting to feel pressured. I just got back from War of
> the Lillies last night and I saw a lot of garb that I liked. My main concern
> is comfortable, inexpensive garb. I figured I would decide what type of garb
> I like, get the period specifics on it and then pick a name from that
> period.
>
> I suppose I let myself get overwhelmed when people told me that I had to
> research a name that would probably be rejected several times, then endure
> the same misery for my device/colors (why is it called a "device" anyway?),
> then I would have to create a persona, etc. etc. etc. and by the time they
> were done listing everything I would need I was ready to quit. Now, I've
> learned that there are people who love that sort of thing...they live for
> it...that sounds too much like work to me.
>
>
>
> Coblaith Mhuimhneach <Coblaith@... <Coblaith%40sbcglobal.net>>
> wrote:
> Julie wrote:
> > . . .I need to get serious and decide on a period, name and persona.
> > This is very intimidating and so I am looking for some gracious
> > individuals to point me in the right direction and help me get
> > started.
>
> First, let me assure you that there is no hurry. You NEED to decide
> only if YOU need to decide, if you know what I mean. . .the motivating
> factor should be your desire to do it, not the belief that you have to.
> I know people who've been in the S.C.A. for a decade or more who wear
> "generic medieval" clothing (or dress to suit each event's theme, or
> the weather, or a whim) and have picked only a first name (usually one
> of the Norman ones, or a Biblical one--something that translates well
> from culture to culture, like William/Guillaume/Wilhelm or
> Mary/Marie/Maria, because they, too are sort of "generic medieval").
> Some of them even have titles, given to them under those first names
> with "of <their local SCA branch>" as a last name.
>
> Assuming you WANT to decide, and want a fully-developed persona where
> everything "makes sense" together, here's my recommendation:
>
> Step 1: Think about what's really important to you as a SCAdian.
> Fencing? Big, poofy dresses with pearls sewn on their bodices? Doing
> Opus Anglicanum? Learning more about Spain? Not having to be
> Christian? Using your own hand-made stoneware at feast? The idea is
> to identify those elements that you really want to make a big part of
> your SCA experience, and pick a persona into which those elements fit
> logically. Often, when you read that list, where/when you should "be
> from" becomes VERY obvious. And even if it isn't, you should be able
> to use it to start narrowing down your options. (Don't feel, by the
> way, that absolutely everything you ever dabble in has to be justified
> for your persona. Note the use of the word "important" and the phrase
> "big part", above.)
>
> Step 2: Visit the Medieval Names Archive
> <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/>. Read the articles on choosing a
> medieval name. Then visit the guides to names for the culture(s)
> you're considering. Or, if you haven't narrowed it down that far yet,
> pick a few that seem likely (countries you've always wanted to visit,
> cultures whose music or art you admire, etc.) and read up on those.
> You may find the names from certain cultures grate on your ear, while
> others seem to resonate. Remember you're choosing a name to use every
> day, not just to put on scrolls. You want to like the sound of it, and
> be willing to answer to it. (What's the point of picking out an
> authentic moniker if you're going to end up telling everybody to call
> you "Candy" because it just doesn't sound like YOU?)
>
> Step 3: Visit the costume and clothing section of the Atlantian A&S
> Links site
> <http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/index.php?
> action=displaycat&catid=10>, and look at the recommended resources for
> the cultures and periods you're most strongly considering. If there's
> not much there (or even if there is, but you want more), go to the Web
> Gallery of Art <http://www.wga.hu/index.html> or the Artchive
> <http://artchive.com/ftp_site.htm> and look at period images. (This
> will be more effective for later periods.) Some of the clothing may
> make you giggle, or wrinkle your nose in distaste. You may think, "No
> WAY I'd go out in public in THAT!", or, "Ooh! I want one!", or, "Now
> THAT looks comfortable!" when you see what's characteristic. Or you
> might realize that you don't have and don't plan to develop the skills
> necessary to make it, and must consider whether you could afford to buy
> everything you'll need. Remember you're choosing clothes to WEAR,
> maybe for a week or more at a time (if you go to the big wars). You
> want to like the look of them, and feel good putting them on.
>
> Step 4: Consider all of the things you learned about yourself in steps
> 1 through 3. Is there a single place/time that stands out, now, as
> being "just right" for you? If not, investigate the front runners--the
> politics of the time, the other cultures with which they had regular
> contact, the technologies they used. Remember, the S.C.A. is all about
> learning. If you pick a persona from a place and time you find
> interesting, you'll enjoy fleshing it out more, and will ultimately
> learn more in the process.
>
> If you do all of that and still don't know what your persona should be,
> you're not ready to pick one. Chill out, enjoy getting your feet wet,
> and wait for inspiration. There's no rush.
>
> Coblaith Mhuimhneach
> Barony of Bryn Gwlad
> Kingdom of Ansteorra
> <mailto:Coblaith@... <Coblaith%40sbcglobal.net>>
>
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Thanks..I found it!! It is Ageless Fashions!!
   Caiomhe
   mka Renee

Sara L Uckelman <liana@...> wrote:
           > A couple of weeks ago someone posted a link to a site that sold
Garb.
> This particular link had a chemise on it I want to order. It was a
> half chemise..if that makes any sense. I thought I bookmarked it but I
> did not. There were many other items for sale too..Can anyone help?

If the link was posted to this list, you can probably find it by
searching the archives -

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scanewcomers/msearch_adv

-Aryanhwy

--
vita sine literis mors est
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/





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--- Julie Roberts <cy80t1ca@...> wrote:

>   I suppose I let myself get overwhelmed when people
> told me that I had to research a name that would
> probably be rejected several times, then endure the
> same misery for my device/colors (why is it called a
> "device" anyway?), then I would have to create a
> persona, etc. etc. etc. and by the time they were
> done listing everything I would need I was ready to
> quit. Now, I've learned that there are people who
> love that sort of thing...they live for it...that
> sounds too much like work to me.

I've been in for, lessee...sixteen years.  I haven't
yet registered an official name or device.  I have
three or four personas I usually play with (it depends
on what I'm doing...I fight as one persona, teach as
another, perform as a third).  As an intellectual
exercise, my personas sometimes take conflicting
opinions on a subject...

"Registering" a name and device is primarily important
only if you want to be the only person who gets to use
the name and device.  Obviously if you pick a name
like "Moon Unit from Caid," you might get into
trouble, but names (IMHO) fall into the same category
as virtually everything else:  A "reasonable attempt"
is all that I'd expect.

Jeffs/etc.

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Could someone provide me with a list of rattan suppliers so I can get busy
making my weapon..i have found a seemingly endless supply of basket hilts
and the like. Oh and does anyone know where I could get a nice shield blank.
If not a site that provides blanks, what kind of wood is best used for a
shield, as in thickness, etc. Thanks in advance for any information

--
Symon de Ipswich    aka Troy Petersen
Barony of Sacred Stone
Canton of Hindscroft
http://troy27265.tripod.com/
yahoo messanger: symon_de_ipswich

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            — I will either find a way or make one.   -Unknown-


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I've heard these guys are really good for rattan:
http://www.franksupply.com/rattan.html
Someone local mentioned that they're one of the suppliers to other
resellers, so you may as well buy direct. Don't know how true that is.

Shield blanks... well... you could get some 1/2" plywood and cut your
own to the shape you want. (here's a link showing a shield press:
http://www.jomsb.org/Dirk/armor/shields/shields.htm)

Instructions to build your own from aluminum:
http://www.cs.usu.edu/~watson/bartholomew/barmor.htm#sec10

Or pay for an aluminum blank.
http://www.ironriver.arador.com/shieldblanks.html
http://www.zenwarriorarmory.com/04_SCArattan.htm
http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Functional_Re_enactment_Shields.html

I personally like ashcraftbaker.com for basket hilts and helms and such;
nothing fancy, just basic gear.

FYI, a number of local fighters here suggest getting mitten gauntlets
and not finger gauntlets; your fingers are better protected.

Roger



Troy Petersen wrote:

>Could someone provide me with a list of rattan suppliers so I can get busy
>making my weapon..i have found a seemingly endless supply of basket hilts
>and the like. Oh and does anyone know where I could get a nice shield blank.
>If not a site that provides blanks, what kind of wood is best used for a
>shield, as in thickness, etc. Thanks in advance for any information
>
>
>

Thank you very much I will check out those links. And as far as the
gauntlets go, I already have a pair provided by my primary instructor (who
happens to be the baronies knight marshal, and the baron, and my wifes
employer) at any rate he has given me a pair of mitten gauntlets and a pair
of half gauntlets which he prefers unless he is using his polearm. I haven't
decided between the two. Anyway thanks for the info, and if anyone else has
info or recommendations for links then let me know. Also visit me on the
web..hehe..Been working real hard on getting my SCA related page lookin
perrty...


> Troy Petersen
aka Symon de Ipswich
Barony of Sacred Stone
Canton of Hindscroft
http://troy27265.tripod.com/
yahoo messanger: symon_de_ipswich

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By the way, I had meant to make the offer in my initial posting. I am using
the google mail service, gmail. I believe it is still by invitation only. If
so and if anyone would like to try it, then send me an email direct at
symondeipswich@... and I can send you an invite that will allow you to
sign up. Like I said just an offer, I like it alot better than anything else
I have ever tried. And I apologize that this is off topic.

--
Troy Petersen
aka Symon de Ipswich
Barony of Sacred Stone
Canton of Hindscroft
http://troy27265.tripod.com/
yahoo messanger: symon_de_ipswich

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
            — I will either find a way or make one.   -Unknown-


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Hi there,

I've been attending SCA Wars (Gyldenholt and Calafia's Potrero) for
about 4 years now. It wasn't until 18 months ago that my wife and I
officially joined. It can seem a bit stressful to get a name and
device of your choosing.

I like the clothing and history approach. My wife and I like early
Irish persona's and have chosen as such.  However, given the
simplicity of viking t-tunics we wear such garb with celtic/irish
accents (broaches, hats, bags, etc.) As an initial step I highly
recommend that you attend newcomers meetings; sponsored by the
kingdom group - Newcomers.  For Caid, our link is http://www.sca-
caid.org/chatelaine/newcomers/index.html

I think it's good to consider a variety of names, their locale and
type of profession your persona may be. Read history books and
fiction books. Watch movies like Braveheart, Monty Python's Holy
Grail, Excalibur and Camelot.

When submitting a name, the more stringent you define your
requirements then the more stringent the herald check for
acceptability.  My name passed on all levels within the first 9
months to a year.

Accoring to http://sca.org/heraldry/coagloss.html page, "device" is
defined as "A heraldic design that uniquely represents the person or
group that owns it. A person who has not been awarded arms may
register personal armory as a device. This device will become arms
when the person receives an award, grant, or patent of arms. The
distinction between arms and a device is not tracked by the College
of Arms. See also Armiger, Arms.".

After I submitted my first device, it was returned saying that it
was not unique enough.  A golden acorn with wings was already taken
as someones badge.  I guess someone else liked the "wing-nut" pun. I
came up with a second device and worked with the very patient
kingdom herald over several versions before actually submitting.
Even with my device I gave some minor flexibility to the point that
I liked it and it passed kingdom level. Don't feel rushed on the
device.  I met a guy whose been in SCA for several years and said to
me "I never really got around to submitting my device."

I looked at the "Acceptance, returns and pends" to get some idea of
different names, devices and badges submitted by others. Here is the
link. http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/

My wife and I joined the Caidan Royal Artillery Corp (CRAC) after
camping with them several time.  It's a war guild similar to a
household. In other words, the people you camp with and meet
throughout the year working on crafts and skills. We first met CRAC
when they saw us trying to set up camp on the unmarked edge of the
battle field. They have fighters who use big siege weapons like
catapults, trebuchets and ballistas.

There are many people in SCA to help out. They love sharing useful
information and advice when prompted.  Don't stress over SCA.
Instead, do a little bit over time and enjoy the ride. Give yourself
time to enjoy the many activities, events and people. We don't
attend every event, just the ones of interest.

SCA: Ailill mac Duib Dara [pronounced A-lee-ill mack dew dar-ah
(like dark-ah without the "K")]
Barony of Gyldenholt http://www.gyldenholt.org/
Kingdom of Caid http://www.sca-caid.org/

On Saturday 17 June 2006 15:56, Coblaith Mhuimhneach wrote:
> I know people who've been in the S.C.A. for a decade or more who wear  
> "generic medieval" clothing

Hear, hear.

I've been in the SCA over 15 years and am about as serious in this hobby
as one can get. Yet about 90% of my garb is "ye aulde authentyque
tunykes and ye pantes". I have very authentic Byzantine garb for Court,
but for hanging around the campsite, just generic stuff.

I've decided in recent years to start moving toward more authentic garb
for my persona, and to that end I'm learning to sew (and liking it!), and
using more period fabrics and patterns. But it's *my* choice -- nowhere
along the way has anyone given me a bad time or pressured me about my
garb.

Justin

--
()xxxx[]::::::::::::::::::>                   <::::::::::::::::::[]xxxx()
Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two
keys fesswise reversed sable.

Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio)             http://4th.com/sca/justin/
justin@...        PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey

On Saturday 17 June 2006 00:44, Julie wrote:
> I'm brand spanking new to the SCA. My kingdom is Calontir and my shire
> is Standing Stones/Wyvern Cliffe.

Woohoo! Welcome to the list! I am originally from St. Louis, and still have
family in the Jefferson City area and close friends in Columbia! (I now live
in Canton, Ohio, however.)

Unfortunately, when I lived in JCMo (20+ years ago) I hadn't discovered the
SCA yet, so I know only one or two SCAdians from Wyvern Cliff. But I did
want to give you a wave and a shout-out since you and I have a hometown
in common. Welcome!

Justin
List Moderator

--
()xxxx[]::::::::::::::::::>                   <::::::::::::::::::[]xxxx()
Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two
keys fesswise reversed sable.

Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio)             http://4th.com/sca/justin/
justin@...        PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey

On Saturday 17 June 2006 00:44, Julie wrote:
> I'm brand spanking new to the SCA. My kingdom is Calontir and my shire
>  is Standing Stones/Wyvern Cliffe.


Welcome to the SCA and to Calontir!

My apologies for not replying sooner; however, I've only recently returned
to the technological world after Lilies War XX. [[As a Calontiri, you will
be hearing a lot about this event.]]

If you have not already met others in either Standing Stones (the Columbia,
MO group) or Wyvern Cliffe, please let me know and I will point you to the
group Chatelaine to get you specifics on when and where to find them.

Until the next time,
Signore Giudo di Niccolo Brunelleschi
Shire of Deodar, Kingdom of Calontir


PS: Lilies War was Almost Perfect (tm) this year. The weather cooperated
save for the upper-90's with humidty early in the War and the light rain the
night before pack out. But hey...I'll take that with a great War than any of
the storms we've had in the past.


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Personally I like the shield press at
http://www.medieval.co.nz/construction/shield.htm
If for no other reason that it's A LOT easier to construct.  I have 3
sheilds from this type of press and they seem fine to me.

Shannan

Absolutely!  Authenticity level is a personal matter.  For me, being as
authentic as I can be enhances my SCA experience, but it may be quite
different for others.  The authenticity (or lack thereof) of those around
with me is none of my business and shouldn't affect me.  (After all, I
can't see them anyway.   :) )  For new people on the list who don't know,
I'm blind.  :)

Pax Christi,
Lady Cecilia de Cambrige

> On Saturday 17 June 2006 15:56, Coblaith Mhuimhneach wrote:
>> I know people who've been in the S.C.A. for a decade or more who wear  
>> "generic medieval" clothing
>
> Hear, hear.
>
> I've been in the SCA over 15 years and am about as serious in this hobby
> as one can get. Yet about 90% of my garb is "ye aulde authentyque
> tunykes and ye pantes". I have very authentic Byzantine garb for Court,
> but for hanging around the campsite, just generic stuff.
>
> I've decided in recent years to start moving toward more authentic garb
> for my persona, and to that end I'm learning to sew (and liking it!), and
> using more period fabrics and patterns. But it's *my* choice -- nowhere
> along the way has anyone given me a bad time or pressured me about my
> garb.
>
> Justin
>
> --
> ()xxxx[]::::::::::::::::::>                   <::::::::::::::::::[]xxxx()
> Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
> Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two
> keys fesswise reversed sable.
>
> Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio)             http://4th.com/sca/justin/
> justin@...        PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey
>


Pax Christi,
Sydney

On Monday 19 June 2006 12:48, Jeff Suzuki wrote:
> >   I suppose I let myself get overwhelmed when people
> > told me that I had to research a name that would
> > probably be rejected several times, then endure the
> > same misery for my device/colors

[The following is said with a big grin]

Poppycock. My name and device passed on the first try. A lot of the
level of difficulty has to do with how complex you make it. I made mine
fairly simple, checked carefully for conflicts before submitting, and
got good help from the heralds in my locale and at Pennsic War. Don't
let these people scare you away from heraldry.

You would be surprised at some of the very simple -- and therefore often
easy-to-pass -- heraldry that is still not spoken for yet. I had a definite
idea of my device (the coat of arms) that I wanted, but I hadn't even given
any thought to a badge (a less formal thing, kind of a "personal mark"
rather than a shield shape). So I told the consulting herald that I was
open to suggestions. He asked what I like to do, and I said I'm an engineer
in mundania and like woodworking and other tool-related stuff in the SCA.
He asked my favorite color, and I said blue. So he asked, "How about a
cog wheel azure?" I couldn't believe that was not yet taken, after all
these years, but it wasn't!

So my personal badge is "Fieldless, a cog wheel azure." In other words,
my personal badge, the one that is registered to me and me alone, and to
which I laid claim only three years ago, is....   A blue gear. Yep.
A blue gear.

Passed on the first try. Nobody else had thought of claiming it yet!

I'm not saying it's this smooth for everyone, only that the horror stories
of failing five or six times in a row are anecdotal. It does occasionally
happen, but generally with people who ask for something really complex and
hard to document.

Besides, you can start using a name without having it registered. The only
thing registration does is prevent someone _else_ from using it, too.
Coats of arms (devices) and badges are a little different, in that you do
need to have those registered before you use them.

Justin

--
()xxxx[]::::::::::::::::::>                   <::::::::::::::::::[]xxxx()
Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two
keys fesswise reversed sable.

Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio)             http://4th.com/sca/justin/
justin@...        PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey

On Monday 19 June 2006 19:34, Sydney Walker Freedman wrote:
> Authenticity level is a personal matter.  For me, being as
> authentic as I can be enhances my SCA experience, but it may be quite
> different for others.

And it's also important to note that "authenticity to the Middle Ages" is
not the same as "authenticity to your particular persona." The level of
importance you assign to each is a personal choice. :-)

Justin

--
()xxxx[]::::::::::::::::::>                   <::::::::::::::::::[]xxxx()
Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two
keys fesswise reversed sable.

Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio)             http://4th.com/sca/justin/
justin@...        PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey

Yup.  Just put the stress on the second syllable instead of the first, and
you have a very important point.  :)  Thanks for that one; I'm away from
my college friends and missing out on the puns, plays-on-words, etc.  :)


> On Monday 19 June 2006 19:34, Sydney Walker Freedman wrote:
>> Authenticity level is a personal matter.  For me, being as
>> authentic as I can be enhances my SCA experience, but it may be quite
>> different for others.
>
> And it's also important to note that "authenticity to the Middle Ages" is
> not the same as "authenticity to your particular persona." The level of
> importance you assign to each is a personal choice. :-)
>
> Justin
>
> --
> ()xxxx[]::::::::::::::::::>                   <::::::::::::::::::[]xxxx()
> Maistor Iustinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
> Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two
> keys fesswise reversed sable.
>
> Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio)             http://4th.com/sca/justin/
> justin@...        PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey
>


Pax Christi,
Sydney

Aye, a lot easier. Not as much control over the shape of the curve, but
it probably doesn't matter a whole lot. Thanks for the link.

Roger

Shannan Hamil wrote:

>Personally I like the shield press at
>http://www.medieval.co.nz/construction/shield.htm
>If for no other reason that it's A LOT easier to construct.  I have 3
>sheilds from this type of press and they seem fine to me.
>
>