You are indeed in luck.  Now a herald in our group may know what paper work
needs
to be included to register your name but I will start you off.  Both parts of
your name
can be autenticated.  I'll start you on what I have come accross
.  Bidget-  The
Ashmolean Museum's brass rubbing collection Pre 1600-  Gloucestershire, 1552,
Kent, Middlesex

Clutterbooke-  King's Stanley, Gloucestershire-Parish registers-Marriages
Richard Ar'nedell to Anne Clutterbooke  Feb 7, 1576

You don't need to find the name used in full just the parts that make up the
name
Hope this helps.

Mary of the Stuwes




> Since I have problems deciding between English and some kind of
> lowland persona I've decided to come up with a persona that lets me
> switch back and forth a bit.  I've decided on Clutterbooke as a
> surname(with some help), and I really want Bridget but I can't find
> any examples.  You mentioned that it could be a Danish name and I was
> wondering if you (or anyone else) had any examples.
>
> Thank you
> Sarah/hopefully Bridget Clutterbooke

> and I don't buy Armor!
>
> Jerusha

*perks ears*  They have armour? *makes a note to save up to go the
next gulf war...or at least, see if there's anything at Warbands,..*

There were an amazing amount of merchants at Pennsic and a wide range of
prices.  I know that I did a lot of shopping because the prices were so much
better than West Coast prices on many items........(but of course, I am used to
ren
faire prices and booth spaces are much more expensive at faire so that gets
reflected in the prices).

And of course, I had to have presents to bring back to people -- so, in my
humble opinion, it depends on what your shopping is going to be about.  I
managed to spend several hundred dollars last year but since it will be my
second
Pennsic, I don't see myself spending as much....(ok, fine, I might be dreaming
but that's the plan.)

Jolie'



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>
> > and I don't buy Armor!
> >
> > Jerusha
>
> *perks ears*  They have armour? *makes a note to save up to go the
> next gulf war...or at least, see if there's anything at Warbands,..*

Oh, yeah.  I suspect that you can get armor at Pennsic too.

Jerusha

Whoa! Now there's a loaded question...

You can spend your whole budget easily the first day out. There are over 300
merchants at Pennsic and they'd all like to have your gold.

My suggestion? Make a list of things that you need for your camp right away,
another list of gifts, postcards, t-shirts etc., and yet another of items on
your wish list. Get what you need to enjoy the War within your budget, save
some money for gifts and the like, and go shopping at Midnight Madness or the
last few days for those "wish list" items.

Shopping at Pennsic is great fun, but it can ruin your War if you run out of
money and don't have enough to eat the rest of the time.

Have fun!

Milica

On Monday 10 May 2004 20:29, Mackenzie wrote:
> just how much should one expect to spend on merchant booths in one
> week at pennsic?

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I think Milica gave you an excellent answer.  I think to add to that, I
haven't yet been aware of people who had money left at the end of the war.
What you bring, you'll most likely spend.  So be careful to make sure you've
food, gas and toll money left at the end.

Have fun!
Alison Wodehalle

> LMAO!!!  Niiiice...maybe my dad'd take me for a weekend or something, he
likes camping >and medieval times castles....my mom likes sterilization and
not a speck of dirt (like that'll >happen camping)
>
> just how much should one expect to spend on merchant booths in one
> week at pennsic?
>
>> Whoa! Now there's a loaded question...
> >
> >You can spend your whole budget easily the first day out. There are over
300
> >merchants at Pennsic and they'd all like to have your gold.
> >
> >My suggestion? Make a list of things that you need for your camp right
away,
> >another list of gifts, postcards, t-shirts etc., and yet another of items
on
> >your wish list. Get what you need to enjoy the War within your budget,
save
> >some money for gifts and the like, and go shopping at Midnight Madness or
the
> >last few days for those "wish list" items.
> >
> >Shopping at Pennsic is great fun, but it can ruin your War if you run out
of
> >money and don't have enough to eat the rest of the time.
> >
> >Have fun!
> >
> > Milica

In a message dated 5/11/2004 5:38:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com writes:

<<just how much should one expect to spend on merchant booths in one
week at pennsic?>>

That is a very personal question :-)

By that, I mean it's very specific to the individual.  I know people who have
dropped thousands at the merchants, and I know people who spend $10 at the
merchants all war.  It also varies year to year even with the same person.  My
husband and I usually budget $500-600 for merchants; sometimes we use all of it
and want more and sometimes we come home with half of it or more.  Just
depends on if we find what we want.
I suggest you figure out what your finances can stand without creating havoc,
and take that much with you - in traveller's cheques or something, not cash!
Unfortunately, it seems that there are always thefts of cash at Pennsic.

Brangwayna


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Edward IV had a daughter named Bridget. Born in 1480. Died in 1517.
She was a nun in Dartford, Kent.

"Bridget" is listed in Withycombe's book on names, page 54 in the
edition I looked at(if there are multiple editions, I can't tell you
which one I looked at as I didn't have the change for more copies at
the library that day and haven't gotten back there since). It says
that the name didn't seem to come into "common use" until the 17th or
18th century.

That's what I've found so far in my own search.

Bridget the Stargazer

On Wednesday 12 May 2004 20:08, bronwynmgn@... wrote:
> <<just how much should one expect to spend on merchant booths in one
> week at pennsic?>>

It depends on what you need each year. When you're new, you generally spend
more buying garb, camp gear etc. Later you'll find yourself looking for
specific items for projects, costuming or armor. Once you've been in the SCA
awhile, you find you "need" to buy less. (That doesn't mean that the
merchandise won't be tempting!)

  I don't really spend much at merchants anymore. I find I have most things for
camp by now. I do make a point, however, of waiting until Pennsic to buy
items that I know I can only get there.

Milica

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I was approached by some friends that would like to get a group
started that is like a thiefs guild, similar to the irbsc
(international brotherhood of rogues, scoundrels, and cads) (which we
all belong to.) but we were wondering if this group could become
a "legal" or "registered" house in the sca. mayhaps under the
disguise of a merchants guild or something of that nature.  yes it is
very "D & D", we just wondered if this was possible.

we would be a street performing group that did acts like stealing
from vendors, we would first pay for said item and talk it over with
the vendors, all prearranged. and then have fights with the militia,
not in the crowd but in certain safe areas deemed good by the local
law and safty guros.

anyway is this something that could get named as a household or group
name, or should it just be a group we start.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_battlesworn/

http://thebattlesworn.bravehost.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_battlesworn/

http://thebattlesworn.bravehost.com

On Thursday 13 May 2004 14:00, Zeek the Tradesman wrote:
> I was approached by some friends that would like to get a group
> started that is like a thiefs guild, similar to the irbsc
> (international brotherhood of rogues, scoundrels, and cads) (which we
> all belong to.) but we were wondering if this group could become
> a "legal" or "registered" house in the sca. mayhaps under the
> disguise of a merchants guild or something of that nature.  yes it is
> very "D & D", we just wondered if this was possible.

The short answer is, you couldn't make it a registered or legal household
in the SCA.

But the reason may surprise you: There is no such thing as a registered or
legal household in the SCA. Households are, by definition, groups of
private individuals who choose to associate with one another. You don't
become "a household in the SCA", you just become "a household whose members
participate in the SCA".

To become a household, you have to have one or more people who declare
that they are a household. That's about it. :-)

(Take a look at the SCA Governing Documents, available as a PDF file from
the sca.org web site. This document mentions households in passing and
explains pretty much what I've said above, but in fewer words.)

Now, that being said....

You cannot register heraldry to be owned by the household itself, because
the SCA doesn't officially recognize households (see above). BUT, the
SCA does allow individual humans to register more than one name for
themselves, and it allows more than one heraldic badge per person as
well.

What most households do is to have their founder or other leader-type
person, someone who's going to be reliably available in the future,
submit heraldry for the household name and badge under his or her own
name. When you create the household's heraldry, you simply make a badge
that is *not* fieldless as they usually are. It's registered as such,
i.e., a badge and not a device, but when you draw it, you draw it on
something that, ohhhh, just "happens" to be shaped like a shield, since
badges don't have a defined shape for their background.

>
> we would be a street performing group that did acts like stealing
> from vendors, we would first pay for said item and talk it over with
> the vendors, all prearranged. and then have fights with the militia,
> not in the crowd but in certain safe areas deemed good by the local
> law and safty guros.

Make sure that you not only make the merchants aware of this, but also
talk in advance with the Autocrat and the sanctioning Seneschal for any
events where you want to do this schtick. There may be concerns not about
what *you* would do, but about what you might inspire *others* to do
who aren't in on the joke (especially kids).

Also, I can tell you as someone who has friends who are merchants, that
however much you may mean this to be all in good fun, the merchants lose
an amazing amount of stuff to "five-finger discounts", and they may not
think the joke is very funny.

Basically, the SCA doesn't stop you from doing something like this as long
as you're not actually stealing, but it may be ill-advised. There are other
ways to be roguish without actually being a thief, just as there are ladies
who are in courtesan and wench guilds but are not actually prostitutes.
Think creatively. :-)

Incidentally, the SCA *does* explicitly ban activities, even in jest, that
trivialize or emulate slavery, so as not to offend the many SCA members
whose ancestors have endured such horrors in the real world.

Justin

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Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio)             http://4th.com/sca/justin/
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help! I'm autocratting an event in a couple of weeks. I asked one of
the local households if they would like to provide lunch for the
event. they said yes. Here's my problem. They want to serve (among
other things) gazpacho. Now the event does have a spanish inquisition
theme, so I have to consider the time period, location, and that
whole columbus thing. But my understanding has always been that
tomatoes are not period, even after they had been "discovered" they
were not widely eaten and even considered possibly poisonous.

Even though I've been in for over a decade, cooking has never been an
area I've researched myself. So I'm perfectly willing to admit I'm
wrong on this one. But I don't think I am. I also don't want this
group of people to look like they don't have a clue, especially since
they are a household of mostly new people looking for their place in
our shire and the SCA. (which is part of why I asked them to do lunch
in the first place.)

So I have two questions really...

1. what is the cold hard truth about tomato usage?

2. Is there a good way to let the new people down without
saying "because I'm the autocrat, and I say so." (which I really
don't want to do!)

I'm also the chatelaine as well as the autocrat, so I need to be
extra careful about correcting the new people. any advise would be
helpful. (My plan right now is to present the Truth About Tomatoes,
and them let them go ahead with the menu if they really want. It's
just one lunch after all...)

ladynorelle wrote:

>
> So I have two questions really...
>
> 1. what is the cold hard truth about tomato usage?

Tomatoes are a new world food, and while cultivation began around 1544
they were thought to be poisonous and were not eaten until the 1600's.
Since we do not know specifically when people began to eat tomatoes, and
since our period extends to 1650, I have heard arguments on both sides
of this as to whether they are period or not.

As to usage in this our modern middle ages, I have gone to feasts where
tomatoes are used and no one seems to make an issue of it, besides a few
who may make comments to each other after feast. So the call is yours,
but personally I wouldn't worry about it too much.

>
> help! I'm autocratting an event in a couple of weeks. I asked one of
> the local households if they would like to provide lunch for the
> event. they said yes. Here's my problem. They want to serve (among
> other things) gazpacho. Now the event does have a spanish inquisition
> theme, so I have to consider the time period, location, and that
> whole columbus thing. But my understanding has always been that
> tomatoes are not period, even after they had been "discovered" they
> were not widely eaten and even considered possibly poisonous.

But not in Italy and Spain!
http://home.comcast.net/~iasmin/mkcc/MKCCfiles/16thCITomatoReferences.html
http://www.florilegium.org/files/FOOD-VEGETABLES/16C-Tomato-art.html
http://www.geocities.com/kaganate/cookunam.html

Jerusha (who happens to love tomatoes!)

In a message dated 5/14/2004 9:20:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com writes:

<<So I have two questions really...

1. what is the cold hard truth about tomato usage?>>

There is definitely some evidence that tomatos were being eaten in the
Mediterranean countries at or near the end of period.  I believe Gerard's Herbal
mentions that he has heard the Italians eat them in a certain manner, which he
goes on to describe in sufficient detail that a good cook could probably
reconstruct it.
But speaking from the perspective of a cook, there's another issue here.
Just because a particular ingredient was used in period, does not mean that any
way of using that ingredient is also period.  What I'm trying to say here is
that, while there is evidence that tomatos were eaten at the end of period, I'm
not sure there is any evidence that they were made into soup, either hot or
cold.  The Gerard's Herbal information describes either a cold tomato salad or
tomatos fried in oil, I can't remember which (it is about tomatos dressed with
oil and salt, if I remember correctly).  The classic example of this is that
the ingredients of bread, ground meat, and cheese were all widely available,
but there's no evidence anyone ever ate a cheeseburger.
There are other ingredients in gazpacho that may be questionable as well, I
think.  Garlic is fine, of course, but aren't there also bell peppers in it?
Those are also new world and I don't think anyone's located period use of them
yet.
How much any of this matters to you depends on how accurate you are trying to
keep this event.  If you are trying to do an accurate Spanish event, then you
may need to supply some assistance with locating appropriate Spanish foods.
If you just want a general sort of Spanish theme, than somethng like gazpacho
may be fine.  Many people don't worry nearly as much about the lunch being
period as they do the feast, although I can't understand that reasoning myself.
I would, however, hope that there is something besides gazpacho being planned
for the lunch.  From a purely practical standpoint, it's got ingredients that
a lot of people have allergies to.  And a lot of people seem to forget things
like bowls for lunches, whhc would make this one difficult to eat.

<<2. Is there a good way to let the new people down without
saying "because I'm the autocrat, and I say so." (which I really
don't want to do!)

I'm also the chatelaine as well as the autocrat, so I need to be
extra careful about correcting the new people. any advise would be
helpful. (My plan right now is to present the Truth About Tomatoes,
and them let them go ahead with the menu if they really want. It's
just one lunch after all...)>>

I'm the chatelaine, and have been the autocrat as well, and been in the same
situation.  What I've done when getting an already developed menu, has been to
apologetically explain that, while their lunch sounds delicious, part of the
purpose of the event is to educate people about Spanish Renaissance culture,
and that includes what people ate.  Stress the educational non-profit status of
the SCA.  Locate sources for Spanish recipe information before you talk to
them, tell them you really would like to have them do this lunch, and offer the
information to them as a source that would be acceptable to you.  This
eliminates giving new folks a research task that might scare them away right off
the
bat.

In a situation where a menu hasn't been suggested yet, I have stressed that,
as the autocrat, the purpose of the event is accurate recreation (if it is)
and therefore we need accurate food as well.  I have then offered to share my
library and my assistance with the cook to develop a menu acceptable to me.

Oh, and for the person answering who said "Since we do not know specifically
when people began to eat tomatoes, and since our period extends to 1650"
needs to recheck Corpora.  The governing documents specifically state that we
are
pre-17th century, which means pre-1601.  The offical SCA period does not
extend to 1650, although I know there are regions of the country where that is
the
urban legend.


Brangwayna Morgan
Shire of Silver Rylle, East Kingdom
Lancaster, PA


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Forgive the quick plug for another Yahoo eGroup:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCAFoodandFeasts

This list covers all areas of Food and Feasting within Medieval
reenactment groups... although SCA is in the Title, it also has
members from other groups (Kingdom of Acre, Adrian Empire, Empire of
Chivalry and Steel, even a few LARPs and educational historic
groups).  Authenticity cooking is NOT a requirement to join the list -
  the scope is fairly broad.  The is a FILE and LINK SECTION filled
with answers to questions such as yours...as well as many others...
i.e. is Honey Butter Period as a bread spread at feast, What can I do
to add ambiance to a Feast Hall, Is their a cooking guid in my area,
etc.

Right now new members have to be approved, but only because of a
recent rash of SPAM... all are welcome to join.

Rayne
Meridies

--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, "ladynorelle" <ladynorelle@y...>
wrote:
> help! I'm autocratting an event in a couple of weeks. I asked one
of the local households if they would like to provide lunch for the
> event. they said yes. Here's my problem. They want to serve (among
> other things) gazpacho. Now the event does have a spanish
inquisition  theme, so I have to consider the time period, location,
and that  whole columbus thing. But my understanding has always been
that  tomatoes are not period, even after they had been "discovered"
they  were not widely eaten and even considered possibly poisonous.
>
> Even though I've been in for over a decade, cooking has never been
an  area I've researched myself. So I'm perfectly willing to admit
I'm  wrong on this one. But I don't think I am. I also don't want
this  group of people to look like they don't have a clue, especially
since > they are a household of mostly new people looking for their
place in  our shire and the SCA. (which is part of why I asked them
to do lunch in the first place.)

In a message dated 5/14/04 9:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com writes:
Message: 1
    Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:19:47 -0000
    From: "ladynorelle" <ladynorelle@...>
Subject: tomato issue

help! I'm autocratting an event in a couple of weeks. I asked one of
the local households if they would like to provide lunch for the
event. they said yes. Here's my problem. They want to serve (among
other things) gazpacho. Now the event does have a spanish inquisition
theme, so I have to consider the time period, location, and that
whole columbus thing. But my understanding has always been that
tomatoes are not period, even after they had been "discovered" they
were not widely eaten and even considered possibly poisonous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



You might mention it casually that tomatoes aren't period and see if they
notice or care. But I would let them serve the tomatoes without a fuss if they
still wish to, as an encouragement to participate in the event. After the event
you could sit down and have an "after-event meeting", ask them how they liked
being part of the event staff, what problems did they have that could be
improve for next time and what did they learn in general that can help them
improve
for next time.

Personally I think this is rather a small issue and it's more important to
encourage participation then to be 100% period.


Tamara
Trimaris


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i'm auctioning off one of my wench dresses that i've made. I'm sad
to see one go, but since i have a job on saturdays, i can't attend
as many renaissance faires as i used to and i have a large ammount
of costumes that take up lots of space. here's a link if anyone
wants to check it out. it's a size 6, and green.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4152394902

~Erin

On Tuesday 18 May 2004 19:15, Erin Truesdell wrote:
> i'm auctioning off one of my wench dresses that i've made. I'm sad
> to see one go, but since i have a job on saturdays, i can't attend
> as many renaissance faires as i used to and i have a large ammount
> of costumes that take up lots of space. here's a link if anyone
> wants to check it out. it's a size 6, and green.

Darn. It's pretty, but won't fit me. :-(

Justin
At 5'10" and 220 pounds, but still running for cover from Erin at "misses
size 6", because I just *know* she's reaching for the meat cleaver right
about now. {GRIN}

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Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two
keys fesswise reversed sable.

Marche of Alderford (Canton, Ohio)             http://4th.com/sca/justin/
justin@...        PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/justin.pubkey

Not fair!!  That's the equivalant of a UK size 8 (for those of us not
from the US who are interested in this item... and I'm a size 12!!!
(US size 10)

Gosh... from the www.weddingdressguy.com gentleman on eBay to Justin
the bodice wearing dude... I am sure we can find one to fit ya.  Hey,
it made the wedding dress guy famous for a day or so.  ;-)

Raine
>
> Darn. It's pretty, but won't fit me. :-(
>
> Justin
> At 5'10" and 220 pounds, but still running for cover from Erin
at "misses size 6", because I just *know* she's reaching for the meat
cleaver right about now. {GRIN}

I apologise for the short notice - but if anyone is interested in
coming to York for the day on Saturday the 29th of May - there is
very limited crash space available if needs be, though - please get
in contact with me. This very short event will be held on Heworth
Green. (The arrow on the map shows you where my house is - parking is
available here. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?
x=461615&y=452712&z=0&sv=YO31+0AE&st=2&pc=YO31+0AE&mapp=newmap.srf&sea
rchp=newsearch.srf )

If coming by public transport, there is a taxi rank outside the train
station. Ask for 14 Limes court, Heworth. For those wanting to get
buses, there are bus stops outside the train station - the number 843
stops at Heworth Church - if you do get the bus, give me a ring so I
can walk up to collect you - it's easier than trying to describe how
to get to the house from there.

The suggested itenerary is this:

9:00-11:00 arrivals and armour inspection (this gives everyone time
to get here.)
11:00-11:30 late arrivals armour inspection and early arrivals
fencing.
11:30-12:30 - fencing.
12:30-1:30 - Lunch - pot luck please.
1:30 - whenever - more fencing.

The site is wet for those not driving, and as said, very limited
crash space is available for those wanting to spend the night.
Please contact me if you are coming, on everildtheclumsy@h...
or: 07930144611

p.s - marshals needed!!!

YIS,
Everild

Sorry, one other thing - this is completely unofficial! It's a
gathering of interested parties ONLY.

--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, "mekilno" <mekilno@y...> wrote:
> I apologise for the short notice - but if anyone is interested in
> coming to York for the day on Saturday the 29th of May - there is
> very limited crash space available if needs be, though - please get
> in contact with me. This very short event will be held on Heworth
> Green. (The arrow on the map shows you where my house is - parking
is
> available here. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?
>
x=461615&y=452712&z=0&sv=YO31+0AE&st=2&pc=YO31+0AE&mapp=newmap.srf&sea
> rchp=newsearch.srf )
>
> If coming by public transport, there is a taxi rank outside the
train
> station. Ask for 14 Limes court, Heworth. For those wanting to get
> buses, there are bus stops outside the train station - the number
843
> stops at Heworth Church - if you do get the bus, give me a ring so I
> can walk up to collect you - it's easier than trying to describe how
> to get to the house from there.
>
> The suggested itenerary is this:
>
> 9:00-11:00 arrivals and armour inspection (this gives everyone time
> to get here.)
> 11:00-11:30 late arrivals armour inspection and early arrivals
> fencing.
> 11:30-12:30 - fencing.
> 12:30-1:30 - Lunch - pot luck please.
> 1:30 - whenever - more fencing.
>
> The site is wet for those not driving, and as said, very limited
> crash space is available for those wanting to spend the night.
> Please contact me if you are coming, on everildtheclumsy@h...
> or: 07930144611
>
> p.s - marshals needed!!!
>
> YIS,
> Everild

Greetings!
   As I understand it, one's personna can be any nationality that had contact
with Europe during our time period. So then, it would be acceptable to adopt a
Native American persona? Perhaps not all tribes/nations had contact, but the
Iroquois certainly did, as well as others.
Thanks!
-Shannon


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Shannon Moersch wrote:

> Greetings!
>   As I understand it, one's persona can be any nationality that had
> contact with Europe during our time period. So then, it would be
> acceptable to adopt a Native American persona? Perhaps not all
> tribes/nations had contact, but the Iroquois certainly did, as well as
> others.
> Thanks!
> -Shannon


Greetings,

Yes, it can be done. In the Middle Kingdom, we have a Knight (Sir Ix,
pronounced eesh) that is an Inca (I believe) warrior. Generally he
dresses in European fashion for the day, since an Inca brought to the
Court probably would be dressed appropriately by his benefactors
(captors?). Yet when he fights, he has a  faux leopard covering for his
armor. I have never inquired as to whether he uses special weapons.
Anyway, yes it can be done. This does not mean that all people in your
area or group are going to be accepting of this, but you will be within
the rules of the Society.

Your Servant,

Tirloch O'Riordain

In a message dated 5/26/2004 3:56:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com writes:

<<As I understand it, one's personna can be any nationality that had contact
with Europe during our time period. So then, it would be acceptable to adopt a
Native American persona? Perhaps not all tribes/nations had contact, but the
Iroquois certainly did, as well as others.>>

It's certainly an option, and it can be done well.  One thing to remember, if
you want to do it accurately, is that technically the SCA is a European
setting.  Generally, Native Americans who made it back to the Old World either
did
so as curiosities, who would wear their native dress and be stared at most of
the time, or took European names and wore European clothing, as Sir Ix does.
Check out the true story of Pocahontas; I believe her English name was Mary
Rolf or something similar.  So I'm not sure how much scope there is for actually
being a "Native American" in the sense that most people think of persona in
the SCA; you'd be either a zoo exhibit or Europeanized.


Brangwayna Morgan
Shire of Silver Rylle, East Kingdom
Lancaster, PA


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I actually have my own persona question - research.

I either want to be a very early celt, or, as one of the heralds ahs
pointed out to me, my name is also an English gypsy name (wow!!  A
period gypsy!!) and I was aondering if anyone had any links for
research into those personas?

Everild,
realising she's babbling....

In a message dated 5/28/2004 4:10:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com writes:

<<I either want to be a very early celt, or, as one of the heralds ahs
pointed out to me, my name is also an English gypsy name (wow!!  A
period gypsy!!) and I was aondering if anyone had any links for
research into those personas?>>

Can't help you with the gypsy part, but we need a clarification about the
other.  How do you define a "very early celt"?  Is that a pre-Roman invasion of
Britain celt, a Romano-British tribesman, or Hallstatt or La Tene?  Anything
other than the Romano British tribesman is pretty difficult to fit into a
medieval/renaissance cultural set-up, as they are all BC cultures, and medieval
doesn't begin until about 400 AD or so.  I know there is no strict date for what
is "too early" for the SCA, but it's made pretty clear in the governing
documents that we're about medieval and Renaissance rather than any of the
pre-Roman
historical Celtic cultures.



Brangwayna Morgan
Shire of Silver Rylle, East Kingdom
Lancaster, PA


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