When you come to the SCA, you learn quite quickly how to become an op-
shop vulture :)

Morag.

By chance is this a typo and you meant AD and not BC?

William

--- In scanewcomers@y..., irenehmbs <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> I'm thinking of around 700-600 BC.

--- In scanewcomers@y..., chemistbb3 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> By chance is this a typo and you meant AD and not BC?
>
> William
>
> --- In scanewcomers@y..., irenehmbs <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > I'm thinking of around 700-600 BC.

Oh geez!!!!!   Yes that would be a BIG typo.
Heather

Kathryn wrote:

> Do you sing or play or both? There
> is a recorder group that asked permission to post an announcement
> about themselves (I hope they do, it sounds very interesting!)

That 'twould be me, Kathryn, thanks!

Here is the information - if anyone is interested, we'd love to have you
join us! You can learn to play Renaissance or other early music on the
recorder, while learning how to participate in the SCA (and while figuring
out your persona) so you'll be ready to go on all fronts at the same time!

Invite your friends and make a band of minstrels! The recorder is SO easy to
learn - kids do it all the time. And it's portable, and entertaining. You'll
be the hit of your SCA gathering! <g>

Best,
Stasia
Who will introduce herself, soon, in another post! :-)

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Hello! I would like to invite anyone interested in recorders or Early Music
to stop by the non-commercial "RecorderFriends" group at Yahoo! Groups. We
would very much appreciate your input and participation!

Beginners are MOST welcome!

It is a group where everyone (*especially* beginners) can feel comfortable
about asking any type of question relating to recorders or their music, as
well as a place to have friendly discussions about a wide range of topics.

There is a very helpful, *extensive* list of bookmarks (web links) at the
site, to help you find recorders (from plastic to authentic wood
reproductions), music, or online or live instruction. (We also have
information on instruments for the physically-challenged.) We'll will
continue to keep adding to those links in the coming days.

I'd like to invite you to join if you're at all interested. And please,
spread the word to your musical friends!

The URL for the group is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RecorderFriends/
And the informational webpage is:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jeffnstasia/recorder.htm



Here is the site's description of the the group:

RecorderFriends is a welcoming place for those interested in the recorder:

*    Listening to recorder music (live or recorded)
*    Playing (or learning to play) any size recorder
*    Collecting recorders
*    Learning about the recorder and its history
*    Learning about instruments for the physically-challenged

All aspects may be discussed in this friendly and helpful atmosphere!

Beginner to pro, kids through adults, Baroque to jazz, on plastic or wood -
let's learn through sharing in a supportive environment!

Discussion of other instruments and music is welcome also! Ukulele,
clarinet, Native American flute, bongos, classical guitar, or crumhorn...
tell us about your instrument!

Fun contests are planned!

Extensive recorder links are in our BOOKMARKS section. Feel free to upload
photos of your instruments or consort to our PHOTOS section, or add your
compositions and sound demos to our FILES.

No rudeness, sarcasm, or flaming allowed; please respect the opinions of
others at all times. We are here to help one another!

Please come in and introduce yourself!




Please note: we are "non-commercial" in that we are not selling anything,
and membership is completely free... but we DO allow vendors to post ads for
their wares, once weekly.

I hope you'll join in the discussion!

Best,
Stasia in WI
Creator: RecorderFriends, Spindlers (for handspinners), AbandonedCrafts, and
BarteredCrafts Yahoo Groups
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Join RecorderFriends
A new discussion group for those interested in the recorder and its music -
beginners welcome!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RecorderFriends/
Or, for non-Yahoo! users,
http://home.earthlink.net/~jeffnstasia/recorder.htm

Awwwwwwww
Now if you want to do 100 BCE to 100 CE look up us Romans in the group
Tiberius

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> By chance is this a typo and you meant AD and not BC?
>
> William
>
> --- In scanewcomers@y..., irenehmbs <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > I'm thinking of around 700-600 BC.

Oh geez!!!!!   Yes that would be a BIG typo.
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Hello everyone. I'm new to the sca and I have a lot of questions and
am having difficulty finding any info or any help from anyone for
that matter. I have yet to come up with a persona nor do I have a
name. Any ideas on where to look for interesting time periods or
names? Also, I have some feast gear, but it is silver.... is that ok?
Or should I continue my search for renaisance things.

Hi!
You've come to the right place, we love questions. First off, what do
you mean by silver. Does it look like the silverwear on the typical
modern table? Or is it just silver color.
I have several sets of feast gear that i have collected over the
years. I take different sets to different events based on what kind
of "image" I am doing for the event.
I have a nice basic set that is a wooden trencher, wooden bowl,
ceramic goblet and wooden tankard, an eating knife (single edge -
wooden handled steak knife works very nicely!)and wooden spoon. I
take that to lower key events and potlucks.
Then I have a set that includes a carved wooden plate, brass tankard
and a nicer wooden bowl, plus the same utenstils. That is sort of the
run of the mill event.
Then there is the really fancy stuff. It includes some cobalt blue
glass goblets with gold metal trim, ceramic plates that have a blue
and gold design on them, a matching tiny goblet for tasting things,
brass chargers (larger brass plates that fit under the ceramic
plates), cobalt blue glass bowls, place mats and napkins that match
the pattern on the ceramic plates, and matching cobalt blue glass
salt and pepper bottles. That is the set up we drag out for fancy
events like coronations or investitures.
We also have a variety of candle holders from simple ones that hold a
votive to a really neat 4 taper fancy peweter thingy.
My suggestion is to haunt re-sale stores like St. Vincent De Paul and
Goodwill. Collect some of the basics and add to your collection as
time goes by. Pier One and Cost Plus have sales sometimes and you can
pick up some fancy stuff there too.
A basket or box is nice to carry stuff in. The most recent one we
picked up is still in progress. We got a really terrific basket with
handles that is just the right size for the chargers to fit in. They
are about a foot in diameter and it had been tricky to find just the
right thing. The basket is open at the top but my husband is crafting
a wooden lid that will attach with leather hinges and a tie. I am
lining the basket with a sturdy cloth that can be removed for washing.
Other things you might want to keep in your basket are some trash
bags for bringing home the dirty dishes in, a couple of extra cloths
for clean ups, a small bottle of a waterless hand cleanser such as
Purell, and a lighter (just be careful about leaving it where small
kids can get ahold of it!)
Another note that kind of goes with this subject. Never put a knife
(or sword) back into a sheath while it is still dirty! That is a
great way to get botulism or other fun trotting illnesses! What
happens is you smear the food particles on the inside of the sheath
and then might as well throw the sheath away as you can never really
get it clean again. Remember to wipe knives throughly, which is one
way those cloths come in handy, and better still, wrap them in the
cloths, take them home and give them a proper cleaning. It is a
pretty simple thing to make a simple sheath for a steak knife (avoid
the ones with pronounced serrations and it will look the part better)
by just cutting a scrap of leather to fit and lacing it up. We made
more than a dozen one afternoon just so as to have plenty on hand.
Plus that way, if you lose it on a platter that goes back to the
kitchen too soon, it is no great loss!
I guess I rambled on enough for that topic, let's see what others
have to say!
Kathryn


--- In scanewcomers@y..., "yukemiha654" <yukemiha654@y...> wrote:
> Hello everyone. I'm new to the sca and I have a lot of questions
and
> am having difficulty finding any info or any help from anyone for
> that matter. I have yet to come up with a persona nor do I have a
> name. Any ideas on where to look for interesting time periods or
> names? Also, I have some feast gear, but it is silver.... is that
ok?
> Or should I continue my search for renaisance things.

Ah yes! Good and common problems. How to develop a personsa and what
about a name?
First off, you might want to look in the bookmarks section as there
are some good links. Second, my main piece of advice is to always
keep in mind you are not locked into your choices. You can change at
any point. Mind you, people get used to a name and you may have to
remind them a lot before the remember a new one but it can be done!
Quite a few people actually have more than one persona. They may use
different ones for different events.
As to how to choose them, it is that old chicken and egg question.
Which to deal with first! Acutally, they both tend to develop
together. You do not have to register your name with the College of
Heralds but you can and then it is YOURS. Pride of possession mostly,
as it just means no one else can register that name, not that they
can't use it. To register a name, you have to document it. There are
tons of good websites about doing that but my favorite is the Academy
of St. Gabriel. http://www.s-gabriel.org/
They have the advantage that an opinion letter from them is
acceptable documentation to the Head of the College of Heralds. They
also have a searchable database of names that they have already given
opinions on so that if there is a name you like, you can look it up
to find out more about it such as when and where it might have been
used.
And that ties in with Personas. Personas are just a sort of story you
develop to explain who you are, where you are, and when you are. Some
people like to use parts of their own family history. Others just
fall in love with a particular country and time. Things you might
want to think about are what would you wear, what would your
occupation have been, how much education do you have, how wealthy are
you (all as your persona, not as you here in the modern age!) Keep in
mind that in the SCA, everyone is considered to be a 'minor lord or
lady', meaning just above merchant class but nothing fancy. You can
choose to take a persona that is more peasant class or more noble,
just don't style yourself by one of the reserved titles such as Duke,
Countess, Knight or Baron, amongst others. (If in doubt, ask around
or ask here, we can help with what not to do too!)
Some of our people have posted their persona stories in the Files
section. You can also run a web search on SCA persona and get some
interesting results!
If you find yourself interested in a particular where and when, feel
free to post. There are lots of people here and someone might already
have done some of the exploring and be willing to share!
Kathryn


--- In scanewcomers@y..., "yukemiha654" <yukemiha654@y...> wrote:
> Hello everyone. I'm new to the sca and I have a lot of questions
and
> am having difficulty finding any info or any help from anyone for
> that matter. I have yet to come up with a persona nor do I have a
> name. Any ideas on where to look for interesting time periods or
> names? Also, I have some feast gear, but it is silver.... is that
ok?
> Or should I continue my search for renaisance things.

Looks like we may need a FAQ page in the files section that is
pointed to in the Group's header section on the home page.

William


--- In scanewcomers@y..., katfletcher <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Ah yes! Good and common problems. How to develop a personsa and
what
> about a name?
> First off, you might want to look in the bookmarks section as there
> are some good links. Second, my main piece of advice is to always
> keep in mind you are not locked into your choices. You can change
at
> any point. Mind you, people get used to a name and you may have to
> remind them a lot before the remember a new one but it can be done!
> Quite a few people actually have more than one persona. They may
use
> different ones for different events.
> As to how to choose them, it is that old chicken and egg question.
> Which to deal with first! Acutally, they both tend to develop
> together. You do not have to register your name with the College of
> Heralds but you can and then it is YOURS. Pride of possession
mostly,
> as it just means no one else can register that name, not that they
> can't use it. To register a name, you have to document it. There
are
> tons of good websites about doing that but my favorite is the
Academy
> of St. Gabriel. http://www.s-gabriel.org/
> They have the advantage that an opinion letter from them is
> acceptable documentation to the Head of the College of Heralds.
They
> also have a searchable database of names that they have already
given
> opinions on so that if there is a name you like, you can look it up
> to find out more about it such as when and where it might have been
> used.
> And that ties in with Personas. Personas are just a sort of story
you
> develop to explain who you are, where you are, and when you are.
Some
> people like to use parts of their own family history. Others just
> fall in love with a particular country and time. Things you might
> want to think about are what would you wear, what would your
> occupation have been, how much education do you have, how wealthy
are
> you (all as your persona, not as you here in the modern age!) Keep
in
> mind that in the SCA, everyone is considered to be a 'minor lord or
> lady', meaning just above merchant class but nothing fancy. You can
> choose to take a persona that is more peasant class or more noble,
> just don't style yourself by one of the reserved titles such as
Duke,
> Countess, Knight or Baron, amongst others. (If in doubt, ask around
> or ask here, we can help with what not to do too!)
> Some of our people have posted their persona stories in the Files
> section. You can also run a web search on SCA persona and get some
> interesting results!
> If you find yourself interested in a particular where and when,
feel
> free to post. There are lots of people here and someone might
already
> have done some of the exploring and be willing to share!
> Kathryn
>
>
> --- In scanewcomers@y..., "yukemiha654" <yukemiha654@y...> wrote:
> > Hello everyone. I'm new to the sca and I have a lot of questions
> and
> > am having difficulty finding any info or any help from anyone for
> > that matter. I have yet to come up with a persona nor do I have a
> > name. Any ideas on where to look for interesting time periods or
> > names? Also, I have some feast gear, but it is silver.... is that
> ok?
> > Or should I continue my search for renaisance things.

I too am wondering about feast gear. I have lots of plain wooden bowls and
just picked up some plain wooden plates. I found one silver wine glass type
thing. It is very tarnished, should I leave it or polish it? I was wondering
about any other types of tankards, and can someone describe a trencher?
Also, since I will be having small kids there, can they just eat out of
wooden bowls with spoons? Do they (or at least should they) be wooden?
I love this list and am thrilled to be able to ask lots of questions without
seeming silly!
Annette Marchant
SAHM to Spencer 4-14-98
and Parker 9-27-00
Rabid Scrapbooker
CTMH Consultant
----- Original Message -----

Thanks for the tips. It gives me a place to start. I may.... more
than likely I will... have more questions as I begin to devolop my
knowledge of sca and its inner workings. Thanks a bundle for helping
me. Umm, as far as what I mean by silver... I believe that the goblet
and the two plates that I have are sterling silver. I picked them up
at a garage sale for about $1.50. As far as your suggestion to keep
looking, I will. I'm always in the mood for a bargain. I also have
about four little wooden bowls that I am planning on using. I need to
refinish them though, since they are a little ragged. If you don't
mind, I may post my persona and get your thoughts on it before I may
it my own. That's all for now. Thanks again.

Well, these questions are the reason for the group and we get some
terrific ideas from the responses from different people. Perhaps we
ought to file some of these by the various subjects for easier
reference. Then, when another good one, pops up we can add it to the
file, rather like an FAQ. I will run these ideas by my fellow
moderators.
Another thing for everyone to keep in mind, there is a search
function under the Messages category which is really cool! We have
quite a growing collection of messages!
The more the better. Anyone wants to ask a question, I will TRY to
answer and if I can't I bet someone else in the group can!
Kathryn

--- In scanewcomers@y..., chemistbb3 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Looks like we may need a FAQ page in the files section that is
> pointed to in the Group's header section on the home page.
>
> William

Hi Annette,
Wooden bowls and plates are a great setup. And yes, kids do very well
with just bowls and spoons. You might want two bowls each sometimes,
if soup is on the menu. One for sloppy and one for solid, if you see
what I mean.
Trenchers are basically flat plates, frequently of wood. Bread
trenchers were quite common. There are notes in references to feasts
of people starting a feast with a stack of bread trenchers in front
of them, one for each "remove" or course. Bread trenchers are a large
slab of older dense bread that served as a plate and tended to absorb
juices. They were frequently given to the poor or servents after the
feast. Most wood trenchers, like mine, are a pretty much a shallow
square or rectangular slab of wood, slightly hollowed out. Actually,
some trenchers one sees at events are just the containers from
prepackaged food gifts from places like Swiss Colony.
Personally, I would polish the silver. It looks nicer and tarnish can
really cause some liquids to tast bad! But then so does the polish so
be sure to wash it well after polishing!!
Glad to hear you like the list. Lots of people here have been in the
SCA for a long time and we like to share what we have learned. Keep
asking, we love answering questions!
Kathryn


--- In scanewcomers@y..., "annette marchant" <3marchants@m...> wrote:
> I too am wondering about feast gear. I have lots of plain wooden
bowls and
> just picked up some plain wooden plates. I found one silver wine
glass type
> thing. It is very tarnished, should I leave it or polish it? I was
wondering
> about any other types of tankards, and can someone describe a
trencher?
> Also, since I will be having small kids there, can they just eat
out of
> wooden bowls with spoons? Do they (or at least should they) be
wooden?
> I love this list and am thrilled to be able to ask lots of
questions without
> seeming silly!
> Annette Marchant
> SAHM to Spencer 4-14-98
> and Parker 9-27-00
> Rabid Scrapbooker
> CTMH Consultant
> ----- Original Message -----

You're welcome and we would be very glad to hear what you develop!

The silver sounds like a nice buy! About the wooden bowls, try a
couple of grades of sand paper until you get them nice and smooth and
then a really good soaking with a food safe oil like mineral oil.
Then, re-apply mineral oil each time after you wash them and they
should be as good as new!

Just a note about wooden food items, everyone should remember not to
let them soak in a wash tub. The wood soaks up the dirty water and
small food particles. Then the particles spoil and we are right back
to the same problems I mentioned with food in the knife sheaths! I
know some people soak them in a bit of bleach water once in awhile
but since I happen to be allergic to chlorine, I don't do that
myself! Also there is something about leaving them in the sun until
very dry once in awhile but I am not sure about that one. My advice
is just to wash wooden stuff as soon as you can. I don't think we
have ever had a problem using wooden stuff ourselves but it is worth
keeping in mind.

--- In scanewcomers@y..., "yukemiha654" <yukemiha654@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for the tips. It gives me a place to start. I may.... more
> than likely I will... have more questions as I begin to devolop my
> knowledge of sca and its inner workings. Thanks a bundle for
helping
> me. Umm, as far as what I mean by silver... I believe that the
goblet
> and the two plates that I have are sterling silver. I picked them
up
> at a garage sale for about $1.50. As far as your suggestion to keep
> looking, I will. I'm always in the mood for a bargain. I also have
> about four little wooden bowls that I am planning on using. I need
to
> refinish them though, since they are a little ragged. If you don't
> mind, I may post my persona and get your thoughts on it before I
may
> it my own. That's all for now. Thanks again.

--- In scanewcomers@y..., katfletcher <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> You're welcome and we would be very glad to hear what you develop!
>
> The silver sounds like a nice buy! About the wooden bowls, try a
> couple of grades of sand paper until you get them nice and smooth
and
> then a really good soaking with a food safe oil like mineral oil.
> Then, re-apply mineral oil each time after you wash them and they
> should be as good as new!
>
> Just a note about wooden food items, everyone should remember not
to
> let them soak in a wash tub. The wood soaks up the dirty water and
> small food particles. Then the particles spoil and we are right
back
> to the same problems I mentioned with food in the knife sheaths! I
> know some people soak them in a bit of bleach water once in awhile
> but since I happen to be allergic to chlorine, I don't do that
> myself! Also there is something about leaving them in the sun until
> very dry once in awhile but I am not sure about that one. My advice
> is just to wash wooden stuff as soon as you can. I don't think we
> have ever had a problem using wooden stuff ourselves but it is
worth
> keeping in mind. :snip:

Hi,
   I'm not sure about the truth in it, but I think I remember someone
saying on a web site to rub salt on wooden stuff during
cleaning...does this make any sense, or is it stuff and nonsense?
And where would I find mineral oil?  I can't recall ever having seen
any, but then, I was never looking...<grin>  also, I was wondering if
you have to be a memeber of the sca to have a name registered?

Thank you.
Dawn / Guenlliant

Hello!!  This is my first post to this group.  Let me introduce
myself.  I'm Heather (no period name yet) from The Middle Kingdom,
Principality of Northshield, Shire of Svaty Sebesta (that's a
mouthfull!!!!!)  I've been in and out of SCA for about 3 years.  I am
just now getting into creating my persona and such but I have a few
questions, and would like some advice, if you will.
I would like to know what the "vets" bring with them to events.  I
can not afford a pavillion right now but I would like some advice
to "ren-up" my mundane campsite.  I mostly attend weekend events
although i would LOVE to get the opportunity to go to Lillie's War
(Kansas) and Pennsic within the next year or two.  I attend most
events by myself and also have a hard time "fitting in" because I
don't know too many peole except from my local group.
thank you for your time =)

Heather

I found some wooden platters with raised sides (about 14" long by 10"
wide with a one inch 'ring' around the outside) at Micheals. So far,
I've just scrubbed them well with a plastic net pot cleaner, and then
oiled them with regular canola oil. It seems to work just fine.

Saraid

Ahh yes, another question.... Are English and Irish too far apart for
me to use as my persona. I was thinking of something along the lines
of Irish background, but now living in England, and I may possibly go
with the name Katelin, but for the moment, all this is still pretty
if--y. No idea yet what time period... I need to do more research.
Tell me what you think.

Well this is my first post here, although this is my second dive into
SCA. I tried to get into it once before but Mundane Life did not
allow it. At one point I became an offical card carrying member
thinkng that if I paid for it, I would feel like I was wasting it if
I did not take part... the Mundane was still to strong (or rather the
lack of cash)

Ok now I am trying to get back into this. I now have the cash to
get/make garb and armor. I have the time and I have the will.

I do have a few questions though.

I am interested in 14th or 15th century German Dress, Armor and
customs. But other then finding a helm that seems to be from that era
I am coming up with blanks.

Also at some point I had contacted a Herald and worked out the name
Rhineheart Gutman, they sited the documentation and everything. Now,
some 2 years later, I have lost all of that infomation. Any
suggestions? (Yes I am going to look to my local Heralds also)

Rhineheart Gutman

Planning on getting to WW? It is the second weekend in July in mid-
Wisconsin. A great camping event! Here is the Website:
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~kveberg/wwixhome.html

We do have a pavilion but only take it to WW and Pennsic. We
frequently bring chairs. We have some nice wooden ones. Look around
at events and you will see quite a variety. A respectable start is a
cloth covered directors chair. A nice pillow can jazz up a chair too.
You can bring a low table, sometimes a small carpet to sort of lay
out an area on. Make a banner and bring it with a portable hole
(stand for the pole). A cooler and make a nice cover for it. You can
even fashion the cover to hold a slab of foam and double as another
seat. I always have my basket with me. And in it will be my lucet for
busy work and my coptic soft bound book for taking notes. (I learned
how to make those this winter! What fun!)The list just goes on and on.
Much of it depends on what the event is about.
Kathryn

<snip>
> I would like to know what the "vets" bring with them to events.  I
> can not afford a pavillion right now but I would like some advice
> to "ren-up" my mundane campsite.  I mostly attend weekend events
> although i would LOVE to get the opportunity to go to Lillie's War
> (Kansas) and Pennsic within the next year or two.  I attend most
> events by myself and also have a hard time "fitting in" because I
> don't know too many peole except from my local group.
> thank you for your time =)
>
> Heather

I would also stay with a food grade oil(peanut, canola, etc,) rather
than mineral oil, since it can act as a laxitive (sp?).  You can find
mineral oil in the drug section of most large grocery stores on any
drug store.  (It also works on earmites for most animals.

William


--- In scanewcomers@y..., "DaraSawall" <darasawall@y...> wrote:
> I found some wooden platters with raised sides (about 14" long by
10"
> wide with a one inch 'ring' around the outside) at Micheals. So
far,
> I've just scrubbed them well with a plastic net pot cleaner, and
then
> oiled them with regular canola oil. It seems to work just fine.
>
> Saraid

I saw mineral oil just tonight in Albertson's in the oil with the
epson salts and similar relief aids.

alia



> Hi,
>   I'm not sure about the truth in it, but I think I remember
someone
> saying on a web site to rub salt on wooden stuff during
> cleaning...does this make any sense, or is it stuff and nonsense?
> And where would I find mineral oil?  I can't recall ever having
seen
> any, but then, I was never looking...<grin>  also, I was wondering
if
> you have to be a memeber of the sca to have a name registered?
>
> Thank you.
> Dawn / Guenlliant

Ok, this isn't a name question.  I want to know if anyone knows of a URL
for a gryphon.  My husband is making a gorge for a young boffer here and
that's what the youngling wants on the front.  Thanks for any help.

Silverheart

IF you are a member of SCA Club in yahoogroups, there is a folder
under 'photos' called HERALDIC FREEBIES. There are all sorts of
pictures in there and... hang on a sec... yes! There IS a gryphon in
there!
I'm not entirely sure if you can view the photos if you're not a
member, but otherwise, you're more than welcome to join (hey a little
cross-group thingo never goes astray).

Morag

Dear Rhinheart,

I am not up much on the German thing but I know we have several very
knowledgeble people here. So I will leave that part to them.
About your name: I was flummoxed to find that my favorite site did
not have a previous report on either element! I thought for sure
someone would have asked them about Rhineheart or Rhinehart before.
Nope! They are on summer vacation just now but you can go ahead and
send in a request and when they finish relaxing and having fun they
will get back to you. Also, they have some very good lists and links.
You might want to check them out: http://www.s-gabriel.org/
Kathyrn (Who does not get paid to tout them, really!!)

--- In scanewcomers@y..., "mrruben51" <ryan_good@r...> wrote:
> Well this is my first post here, although this is my second dive
into
> SCA. I tried to get into it once before but Mundane Life did not
> allow it. At one point I became an offical card carrying member
> thinkng that if I paid for it, I would feel like I was wasting it
if
> I did not take part... the Mundane was still to strong (or rather
the
> lack of cash)
>
> Ok now I am trying to get back into this. I now have the cash to
> get/make garb and armor. I have the time and I have the will.
>
> I do have a few questions though.
>
> I am interested in 14th or 15th century German Dress, Armor and
> customs. But other then finding a helm that seems to be from that
era
> I am coming up with blanks.
>
> Also at some point I had contacted a Herald and worked out the name
> Rhineheart Gutman, they sited the documentation and everything.
Now,
> some 2 years later, I have lost all of that infomation. Any
> suggestions? (Yes I am going to look to my local Heralds also)
>
> Rhineheart Gutman

Greeting fair Guthart-


Grab a book on high gothic german art.  There are a number of Cathedrals that
contain full height statues of the german nobles who sponsored the building of
each structure.  These figures are always noble and often in light armor to
appear as defenders of the faith.  There are a few manuscript sourse as well,
but those will take a bit longer to locate.  Just search under "high gothic" 
and that should help you locate them.


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scanewcomers@...: Mon 06/10Subject: [SCA Newcomers]
GreetingsWell this is my first post here, although this is my second dive into
SCA. I tried to get into it once before but Mundane Life did not allow it. At
one point I became an offical card carrying member thinkng that if I paid for
it, I would feel like I was wasting it if I did not take part... the Mundane was
still to strong (or rather the lack of cash) Ok now I am trying to get back into
this. I now have the cash to get/make garb and armor. I have the time and I have
the will. I do have a few questions though. I am interested in 14th or 15th
century German Dress, Armor and customs. But other then finding a helm that
seems to be from that era I am coming up with blanks. Also at some point I had
contacted a Herald and worked out the name Rhineheart Gutman, they sited the
documentation and everything. Now, some 2 years later, I have lost all of that
infomation. Any suggestions? (Yes I am going to look to my local Heralds
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the most common helm you will probably find from that era would be a sallet
combined with a bevor combination


>From: "mrruben51" <ryan_good@...>
>Reply-To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
>To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Greetings
>Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:24:42 -0000
>
>Well this is my first post here, although this is my second dive into
>SCA. I tried to get into it once before but Mundane Life did not
>allow it. At one point I became an offical card carrying member
>thinkng that if I paid for it, I would feel like I was wasting it if
>I did not take part... the Mundane was still to strong (or rather the
>lack of cash)
>
>Ok now I am trying to get back into this. I now have the cash to
>get/make garb and armor. I have the time and I have the will.
>
>I do have a few questions though.
>
>I am interested in 14th or 15th century German Dress, Armor and
>customs. But other then finding a helm that seems to be from that era
>I am coming up with blanks.
>
>Also at some point I had contacted a Herald and worked out the name
>Rhineheart Gutman, they sited the documentation and everything. Now,
>some 2 years later, I have lost all of that infomation. Any
>suggestions? (Yes I am going to look to my local Heralds also)
>
>Rhineheart Gutman
>
>


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--- In scanewcomers@y..., "mrruben51" <ryan_good@r...> wrote:
> I am interested in 14th or 15th century German Dress, Armor and
> customs. But other then finding a helm that seems to be from that
>era  I am coming up with blanks.

Well met, m'lord.

For 13th/14th century German armor, you'll probably want to do a
brigandine.  Here's a site that tells you how:

http://www.meridies.org/as/dmir/Arms&Armor/02/0205.html

and here's some general armoring links that might prove useful to
you:

http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/topics/armo.htm

My first armor was a 14th century brigandine (leather reinforced
with metal).  It took a little time (mine was pretty fancy), but
wasn't that difficult to do, and I was a rank beginner when I made
it.

> Also at some point I had contacted a Herald and worked out the
name
> Rhineheart Gutman, they sited the documentation and everything.

Someone has already mentioned the St. Gabriel site: that's really
the best place to start.  (Can you tell I love that site?!) I've not
seen the spelling of Rhineheart before (some variation of Reinhardt,
perhaps?).  Gutman (or Gutmann) should be easy: Gut=good,
man=mann=man. Simple descriptive byname.  Certainly check with your
local herald!

Hope this helps!  Good luck!

--Tacye
Northeast Iowa
Calontir

Talrath,

The one that I found and liked (and could afford) was a Bascinet with
a klappvisor face. Although I would love to have a sallet (not sure
what a bevor combo is) I am just not sure if I can find one in my
price range.

Thank you for the Reply,
Rhinehart

--- In scanewcomers@y..., "Talrath von Eifel" <tuba_tal@h...> wrote:
> the most common helm you will probably find from that era would be
a sallet
> combined with a bevor combination
>
>
> >From: "mrruben51" <ryan_good@r...>
> >Reply-To: scanewcomers@y...
> >To: scanewcomers@y...
> >Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Greetings
> >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:24:42 -0000
> >
> >Well this is my first post here, although this is my second dive
into
> >SCA. I tried to get into it once before but Mundane Life did not
> >allow it. At one point I became an offical card carrying member
> >thinkng that if I paid for it, I would feel like I was wasting it
if
> >I did not take part... the Mundane was still to strong (or rather
the
> >lack of cash)
> >
> >Ok now I am trying to get back into this. I now have the cash to
> >get/make garb and armor. I have the time and I have the will.
> >
> >I do have a few questions though.
> >
> >I am interested in 14th or 15th century German Dress, Armor and
> >customs. But other then finding a helm that seems to be from that
era
> >I am coming up with blanks.
> >
> >Also at some point I had contacted a Herald and worked out the name
> >Rhineheart Gutman, they sited the documentation and everything.
Now,
> >some 2 years later, I have lost all of that infomation. Any
> >suggestions? (Yes I am going to look to my local Heralds also)
> >
> >Rhineheart Gutman
> >
> >
>
>
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