--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, D'vorah bint Da'ud <dvorah@...> wrote:
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> On 28 Jan 2013, at 9:07 AM, Christey wrote:
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> > Greetings my lords and ladies. I am a fairly new member to the SCA. When i
started going to events I lived in the Kingdom of Meridies but have moved now to
what I believe is Glenn Abhann. I would like to find a barony or shire so that I
may become more involved in the Sca as a whole but I am having trouble doing so.
How can I get some help finding a group fairly close to me so that I can grow in
the SCA?
>
>
> You've come to the right place. :) Where exactly are you now, if you don't
mind sharing the name of the town, county, and/or state with us? I'm confident
someone from that area, or at least someone who knows someone from there, will
be able to help.
>
> Alternatively you could try http://sca.org/geography/kingdom_lookup.html --
And so you'll be able to find it again if you lose that link, here's how I got
to it:
> 1. Go to http://www.sca.org
> 2. Look in the right-hand margin, to the little red-outlined box titled "New
to the SCA? Start here…" One of the five links is "Find your local group." Click
that.
> 3. The page you'll find has a paragraph that is headed/titled "How do I find
them?" I have a small screen, so I had to scroll down to read that paragraph,
but there's a link in the first sentence, and that link leads you to
http://sca.org/geography/kingdom_lookup.html. That link will help you find your
kingdom. At that point, the kingdom website SHOULD have a list of baronies and
shires, and one or more of those will apply to you. :) If you're really bad at
geography (like me), you might have to still contact the kingdom chatelaine and
ask him/her to help you figure out where your town falls within the counties. I
had to do that. But they'll help; that's the chatelaine's job. :) Some areas
call this person the Hospitaller, and some may also call the person a greeter,
newbie helper, or something else. But for sure, they'll hook you up.
>
> Good luck in your new home! :)
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Thank you all for your help. I live in Sidon Mississippi. I believe the closest
group to me is Colombus but that is quite a long way away. If the county helps
that is Leflore County Mississippi. I just got my computer back online after it
decided to crash on me but I will be trying your suggestions. Thank you very
much m'lords and m'ladies hope to meet some of you at Gulf Wars.

I'm new to the SCA and would really like to do my "homework" on the history of
the middle ages.  I've been reading various books but would love to take a class
(online).  Does anyone know of any good medieval/middle ages related coures
offered online?  Thanks!!

Hello, I'm in the process of exploring the idea of joining SCA.  I've been
looking at garb, personas, etc and am thoroughly intimidated!  I can sew a very
very little (like curtains), so I'm looking for either the easiest possible
dress to make that is at least a little fitted, or better yet a site where SCA
folk sell their gently used garb so I can try that out prior to testing my
sewing skills to the limit.
Does anyone know of such a site?  I can't pay the $100s of dollars for the
retail sites, many of which are cotton/poly blends anyway.  My persona thoughts
are either Viking or 15th century generic since those dresses look easy and more
comfortable than the Viking apron dresses over multiple layers.  I prefer simple
when possible.

Ideas?  Suggestions for easy to start with personas/time periods.  There is zero
chance I'm learning any Norse...I'm 40yo and my  brain isn't that agile anymore!

Thank you,
Amy who doesn't have a cooler name than that in Maine

Hi, Amy!

Please don't be intimidated.  One of the great things about the SCA is that we
don't expect spot-on historical accuracy from newcomers - or, indeed, from
anyone!  No-one will be offended if your first dress is a little crooked or if
you don't speak your persona's language.  Heck, I've been in 20 years and while
I can read Middle English fairly well with the aid of a glossary, I certainly
can't speak it!  Don't underestimate the agility of a 40-year-old brain, either
- you'll find there are many folks older than you in the SCA (I'll be 48 this
year, and I'm not the oldest person in my small local group) who have very agile
brains indeed!

I know there are SCA FreeCycle groups.  There may also be folks in your area who
have outgrown garb or have changed personas and can pass on their old stuff. 
Another wonderful period idea that works well in the SCA is barter.  You can
trade your services (doesn't have to be a medieval skill, you can offer to watch
someone's children at an event, or do their dishes in camp, or whatever - come
to think of it, those ARE medieval skills) for things you need.

Have you gotten in touch with your local group yet?  That would be the first
place to start to find folks who know what resources are available in your area.
If you let us know your zip code we can sort you out pretty quickly on that.


Brangwayna Morgan
Shire of Silver Rylle, East Kingdom
Lancaster, PA

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Augusta <amyrae12@...>
To: scanewcomers <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:20 am
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Possible newcomer to East Kingdom





Hello, I'm in the process of exploring the idea of joining SCA.  I've been
looking at garb, personas, etc and am thoroughly intimidated!  I can sew a very
very little (like curtains), so I'm looking for either the easiest possible
dress to make that is at least a little fitted, or better yet a site where SCA
folk sell their gently used garb so I can try that out prior to testing my
sewing skills to the limit.
Does anyone know of such a site?  I can't pay the $100s of dollars for the
retail sites, many of which are cotton/poly blends anyway.  My persona thoughts
are either Viking or 15th century generic since those dresses look easy and more
comfortable than the Viking apron dresses over multiple layers.  I prefer simple
when possible.

Ideas?  Suggestions for easy to start with personas/time periods.  There is zero
chance I'm learning any Norse...I'm 40yo and my  brain isn't that agile anymore!

Thank you,
Amy who doesn't have a cooler name than that in Maine









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hi there shelby. welcome to the SCA. a woman's place is always below that of a
supiour man. but only if she can find one. those of us who thought that we were
supiour, soon met many women that proved us to be in error.  seriously, even in
the middle ages women were not as subjegated as modern feminists want you to
believe. so, (i am assuming here that you are of the female gender), no man in
his proper mind, will treat you as beneath him. if you find one that does,
please point him out-loudly-so we might all enjoy seeing this rare example of a
dying moronity.
 
the basic idea of the society is to recreate the better parts of the middle
ages, and improve on the bad parts. (we believe in baths and deodorant!) so,
please meet up with us, tell us where you are located. we might be able to help
you find a local group join. and feel free in any case to come on here and ask
any question you want.  when i was teaching i often told my students that the
only stupid question was the one that was not asked. ( i taught soliders in the
army in the early eighties. NEVER challenge these types like that! the results
are terriffying!)
 
again, welcome, have fun!  brother john of antioche

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From: shelbystein <shelbystein@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:41 PM
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] A Woman's Place

 
Hi,I am Shelby. I am brand new to the SCA. I hadn't had any exposure to the SCA
until recently when I stumbled on the website. I was very happy to find it!
Don't know how I've missed it for all this time, but I'm glad to be here!

One question is that I am assuming the SCA is not strictly literal to the
medieval period? For instance, the role of women being seen as inferior to that
of men.




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yeah! what bronwynmgn said! also, there IS no cooler name then amy! in any
state, country, or period!  brother john of antioche



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From: "bronwynmgn@..." <bronwynmgn@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Possible newcomer to East Kingdom

 

Hi, Amy!

Please don't be intimidated. One of the great things about the SCA is that we
don't expect spot-on historical accuracy from newcomers - or, indeed, from
anyone! No-one will be offended if your first dress is a little crooked or if
you don't speak your persona's language. Heck, I've been in 20 years and while I
can read Middle English fairly well with the aid of a glossary, I certainly
can't speak it! Don't underestimate the agility of a 40-year-old brain, either -
you'll find there are many folks older than you in the SCA (I'll be 48 this
year, and I'm not the oldest person in my small local group) who have very agile
brains indeed!

I know there are SCA FreeCycle groups. There may also be folks in your area who
have outgrown garb or have changed personas and can pass on their old stuff.
Another wonderful period idea that works well in the SCA is barter. You can
trade your services (doesn't have to be a medieval skill, you can offer to watch
someone's children at an event, or do their dishes in camp, or whatever - come
to think of it, those ARE medieval skills) for things you need.

Have you gotten in touch with your local group yet? That would be the first
place to start to find folks who know what resources are available in your area.
If you let us know your zip code we can sort you out pretty quickly on that.

Brangwayna Morgan
Shire of Silver Rylle, East Kingdom
Lancaster, PA

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Augusta mailto:amyrae12%40yahoo.com>
To: scanewcomers mailto:scanewcomers%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:20 am
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Possible newcomer to East Kingdom

Hello, I'm in the process of exploring the idea of joining SCA. I've been
looking at garb, personas, etc and am thoroughly intimidated! I can sew a very
very little (like curtains), so I'm looking for either the easiest possible
dress to make that is at least a little fitted, or better yet a site where SCA
folk sell their gently used garb so I can try that out prior to testing my
sewing skills to the limit.
Does anyone know of such a site? I can't pay the $100s of dollars for the retail
sites, many of which are cotton/poly blends anyway. My persona thoughts are
either Viking or 15th century generic since those dresses look easy and more
comfortable than the Viking apron dresses over multiple layers. I prefer simple
when possible.

Ideas? Suggestions for easy to start with personas/time periods. There is zero
chance I'm learning any Norse...I'm 40yo and my brain isn't that agile anymore!

Thank you,
Amy who doesn't have a cooler name than that in Maine

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what gauge steel wire is minimum for SCA ?? 16 Ga ?

See your Kingdom's Heavy Weapon's Handbook.

Ian

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:08 PM, RobertA <raldridge_mt@...> wrote:

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Yours In Service,

THLord Ian the Green

"Veritatem resistit simplicitate"

My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>


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> what gauge steel wire is minimum for SCA ?? 16 Ga ?

It likely depends upon whether the mail links are just butted together, or
riveted or welded (a non-period method).

Mail, by itself, is not a good defense against SCA weapons. In period, it needed
to be worn over other padding. It works best as protection against bladed
weapons and less well against maces and clubs, which the SCA weapons tend to
resemble, i.e. no edges, but a fair amount of mass.

As someone else recommended, I would check your kingdom regulations.

For some more info on mail, see these files in the COMBAT section of the
Florilegium:
chainmail-beg-art (24K) 11/ 2/00 "Chainmaille Tutorial for Beginners"
by Culann Mac Cruimeinn.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/chainmail-beg-art.html

chainmail-msg (132K) 1/ 8/08 Making chainmail. Mail armor. References.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/chainmail-msg.html

chnmail-clean-msg (6K) 10/18/01 Cleaning mail armor in period and today.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/chnmail-clean-msg.html

merch-chainml-msg (24K) 4/29/06 Chainmail merchants and supplies.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/merch-chainml-msg.html

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Brangwayna Morgan said:
<<< I know there are SCA FreeCycle groups. There may also be folks in your area
who have outgrown garb or have changed personas and can pass on their old stuff.
Another wonderful period idea that works well in the SCA is barter. You can
trade your services (doesn't have to be a medieval skill, you can offer to watch
someone's children at an event, or do their dishes in camp, or whatever - come
to think of it, those ARE medieval skills) for things you need. >>>

Here is a Florilegium file, in the CLOTHING section, which might be of use
whether you provide fabric to someone else to make you an outfit or when you
start sewing your own:
How-2-Fnd-Fab-art (16K) 12/18/11 "How to find Great Historic type Fabric for
Garb cheaply, at Thrift Stores." by Lady Catherine Rose FitzEdmunds.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/How-2-Fnd-Fab-art.html

Here is one in the NEWCOMERS section which might be of use:
Thrifty-Anach-art (29K) 6/29/10 "The Thrifty Anachronist: The Handbook" by
Lady Mathilda Harper. Thrift stores for inexpensive SCA clothing.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/Thrifty-Anach-art.html

Also in the same section:
Fabric-Stores-art (8K) 8/22/06 "Don't Fear the Fabric Store" by THL Rosalyn
MacGregor.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/Fabric-Stores-art.html

I would recommend looking through this section for more files which might be of
interest to yourself, such as:
Your-1st-Evnt-art (16K) 7/15/12 "Going to your 1st Event
"
by Lady Alison Wodehalle.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/Your-1st-Evnt-art.html

After this, you might check some of the other sections. The Florilegium has
about 2400 files on a wide variety of SCA and medieval subjects.

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Greetings "that in Maine", :-)

No, I don't think that is registrable as a period name. However, there are a
number of variations of "Amy" in various cultures in our period of study which
might be of interest to you. Some people like to use a variation of their
regular (also called mundane) name since they don't think they can learn to
react to another. Others want a different name because they find that easier to
help to separate their SCA life from their regular life.

Many local groups maintain chests of loaner clothing for newcomers to use until
they get or make their own. One of many reasons to make contact with your local
SCA group.

<<< My persona thoughts are either Viking or 15th century generic since those
dresses look easy and more comfortable than the Viking apron dresses over
multiple layers. >>>

Viking or Viking apron dresses? Huh?

Multiple layers are a good way to make clothing that will work in different
seasons. This was quite common in period. Even the richest people only had a few
changes of clothes, so the ability to make what you had work in different
conditions was important. Many of the pictures that you might think people are
wearing a single outer layer simply aren't showing the under layers which can't
be seen.

Being in Maine, you are probably going to need a range of clothing. Outside
events in winter are going to require different or additional clothing than an
inside event or one in summer. I would recommend looking into making or getting
a cloak for instance. This can be worn when it is cold, used to sit on, used to
protect yourself from the rain etc. A few Florilegium files on cloaks:
AS-Cloaks-art (10K) 5/ 3/02 "An Anglo-Saxon Cloak" by Lady Eowyn "Eo" Swiftlere.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/AS-Cloaks-art.html

cloaks-msg (64K) 5/ 6/12 Cloaks, cloak pins and clasps.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/cloaks-msg.html

Irish-Brat-art (20K) 2/14/09 "Weaving an 11th Century Irish Brat"
by THL Cassandra of Glastonbury.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/Irish-Brat-art.html
(not a project for a beginner, but interesting)

The CULTURES section in the Florilegium has some information on a number of
different cultures. It might be useful in getting some more ideas of cultures
you might be interested in.

I know women who picked a persona because that culture didn't force all women to
wear dresses. I know men who avoided a culture because men at that time wore
hose.

Some people avoid Elizabethan because all of the fancy clothing they see in the
portraits of the time. However, remember that the people in those paintings are
the upper 1% or higher of society. They were the ones that could afford to have
a portrait painted. So a solution is to use a middle-class Elizabethan persona
where the clothing was/is much simpler. This also leaves the possibility of
"moving into the upper class" when your sewing skills improve.

For a bunch of good info and suggestions on personas, check out the PERSONAS
section in the Florilegium.

"There is zero chance I'm learning any Norse...I'm 40yo and my brain isn't that
agile anymore!"

Don't worry about languages. In the US, at least, modern English in the common
language. One of the quirks of the SCA is that the wide range of personas from
cultures from Iceland to the Middle East, especially over 1600 years would have
had problems talking to each other, which we ignore. The most common language
was Latin, but even that was spoken very only a small minority of the people.

As to being 40 years old, I'm 55 (I've been in the SCA for over 22 years) but we
have folks from teen agers to senior citizens.

Please let me know if I can help you further.

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Welcome Amy!

It all depends on the household you join whether they have loaner garb.  I know
my household gave me 2-3 overdresses that people had stopped wearing because
they no longer fit.  Some households don't bother keeping track of/keeping
loaner garb.  It just depends on who you get with.  The loaner garb I started
with (3 whole outfits) lasted me about 2 years, always wearing the same stuff,
until I learned to sew.  I have never seen a SCA site (or merchant site) that
wasn't about 'making money' overpricing stuff.  Now that I've made a few things,
I know WHY they charge what they do. Your standard fancy gown takes about 40
hours to make, and depending on the fabric, can get very pricey!
Also, sometimes you can find normal mundane clothes that work for the SCA, like
floor length skirts and fancy tops with long sleeves.

Learning to sew for the SCA is very easy - all I could do was hems when I
started! Now I can make a viking, underdresses, coats (I just made myself a
viking coat with fur and everything to replace a corderoy cloak that was never
all that warm, one I paid about $100 for at a war!). I still buy little things
every now and then, but now, 3 years into the SCA, I'm starting to sew my own
garb, and I have switched to buying trims, buttons, patterns and fabric, instead
of whole pieces.  The trick I found is to buddy up with someone who makes their
own garb all the time -- and have them teach you the easy ways to do things. My
friend who sews grew up in the SCA, and she's been sewing her own garb since she
was 10. Her stuff looks amazing.

Hate to tell you but middle age clothing was ALWAYS done in layers.  A chemise
is basically underwear. It goes under everything (or you can use a dress that
FUNCTIONS like a chemise, with long sleeves, that goes to the ground, which
chemises did). Then you wear whatever you are going to wear OVER the chemise
(like a viking or sideless).  The chemises were long sleeved, because women did
not bare anything if at all possible. It wasn't proper to see one's feet and
legs, or forearms, according to the church.

If you're thinking about being a viking, clothing couldn't be easier (or
cheaper!) for you to make yourself.
For the standard viking underdress (think chemise, or dress that can stand
alone), use Burda pattern 7468. I found it at Joann Fabrics.  This pattern is
very easy and makes 2 different dresses, depending on the sleeves. "A" is the a
generic underdress that can be worn under a sideless or viking. "B" is a fancier
stand-alone dress that has the long flowy sleeves. (they are both pretty much
the same dress, it's really mainly the sleeves that are different).  The viking
itself is about 3 1/2 yards of linen blend, and can be made in 7 pieces - back,
front, 2 sides, 2 shoulders and a "bra" strap that goes around and connects them
to the dress. A friend of mine made me a pattern for that. There is also a Burda
pattern for the sideless, which is WAY easy (2 pieces!) and goes over an
underdress. Burda 7977 is also 2 dresses -- an underdress (standard fitted
chemise) and a sideless.

I've gone from having 2-3 outfits total to making 3 sidelesses, 4 chemises in
different colors (so you can mix/match), 3 vikings and 2 stand alone fancier
dresses.  Now I can get thru a 7 day war and not wear the same thing twice! YAY!

Also don't worry about getting a "persona" -- I've been playing 3 years and
still don't have one. I only have a name because our household has several
"angela"s, and I wanted to differentiate myself.  And it's not a proper "vetted"
midieval name -- it's just something I liked the sound of.  I'm the only
chainmailler in my household. I'm also almost the only archer in a household of
sword and board fighters.

My advice? Go to a few local wars and try to find a household you like.  Many
households have some form of membership requirements - like you have to attend
so many wars with them, or be active in a specific thing (ie my household, most
everyone takes the field, or supports the field by waterbearing/etc); others
don't care, so long as you are the same type of persona they are (ie in a pirate
household, everyone is a pirate). If they like you, they will ask you to be part
of their household. Just go make some friends! :) Eventually you'll find that
someone who makes garb too.

LOL don't worry about Norse -- m'lord and m'lady is the only new "language" I've
ever heard in the SCA! :)

Yours in Service (YIS),
Inea Arcur (Angela) - combat archer, brewer, chainmailler, and now garb maker!
[I was going to say "sew er", but see how that looks!?]
Atenveldt (AZ)
invertedarcher@...



-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Augusta <amyrae12@...>
To: scanewcomers <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:20 am
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Possible newcomer to East Kingdom





Hello, I'm in the process of exploring the idea of joining SCA.  I've been
looking at garb, personas, etc and am thoroughly intimidated!  I can sew a very
very little (like curtains), so I'm looking for either the easiest possible
dress to make that is at least a little fitted, or better yet a site where SCA
folk sell their gently used garb so I can try that out prior to testing my
sewing skills to the limit.
Does anyone know of such a site?  I can't pay the $100s of dollars for the
retail sites, many of which are cotton/poly blends anyway.  My persona thoughts
are either Viking or 15th century generic since those dresses look easy and more
comfortable than the Viking apron dresses over multiple layers.  I prefer simple
when possible.

Ideas?  Suggestions for easy to start with personas/time periods.  There is zero
chance I'm learning any Norse...I'm 40yo and my  brain isn't that agile anymore!

Thank you,
Amy who doesn't have a cooler name than that in Maine









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Hi Amy!

We may have already met via email, I am the East Kingdom Chatelaine, Alison
Wodehalle. If not, please feel free to email me privately at chatelaine at
eastkingdom dot org.

There are a lot of cultural differences between kingdoms, which is part of
both the strength of this SCA-wide email group, and part of what can be
confusing, or what may seem to be advice that later on looks wrong. The
East Kingdom does have households, but they do not tend to be "where you
start" as in many other kingdoms. In the East, you start with your local
group, and the chatelaine in that group can help you figure out if they
have Gold Key (loaner garb) that will fit you. They may host workshops for
learning to make garb, or may have a person who really enjoys doing that
individually with newcomers. They may be aware of a swap or other low cost
way to acquire your first garb. Whatever their means, they are the best
person to ask for help.

Households are informal groups, not officially recognized by the SCA. They
are groups formed around specific interests, such as fighting, or service,
or fencing, or cooking. The group may be loosely aligned with few
meeetings, and just keep an online presence for members, or they may be
organized with the precision of a military (Blood Guard in the southern
region of the East).  Don't worry about households yet. Many people in the
East have no affiliation with a household. We tend to play with our landed
groups. You may find eventually that your interests align with a household,
and can make the decision at that time whether you wish to join. These
articles will help you understand getting started in the East
http://chatelaine.eastkingdom.org/newcomers.html .

I agree very much with the idea that Norse, or viking, is amongst the
simplest. You need two items, a chemise, and a slightly shorter dress that
you don't even have to worry about sleeves on it. And a starter norse cloak
can be a large square of wool folded in half diagonally (no sewing in other
words). The apron dress is a tube with straps.
http://www.tjurslakter.nl/viking%20apron-dress.pdf . You add triangles to
get a little flair in the shape, but it's just a few straight seams (as
easy as curtains). The underdress can be made a variety of ways, you can
use the old SCA T-tunic concept of laying a tee shirt that fits you, out on
fabric, and cutting around it, continuing down to the floor at an angle.
There is a pic in the article on Garb in the link I gave you above. It
leaves you with two seams to sew, one on each side, oh and a hem on the
neckline and a hem on the bottom of the skirt. Only if you feel like
getting fancy do you need to worry about trim, or other items pictured with
Viking garb, that can all come later.

Please let me know if you need help getting in touch with your local group,
or if I can help you with anything else.

In service,
Alison
East Kingdom


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Angela <invertedarcher@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> Welcome Amy!
>
> It all depends on the household you join whether they have loaner garb. I
> know my household gave me 2-3 overdresses that people had stopped wearing
> because they no longer fit. Some households don't bother keeping track
> of/keeping loaner garb. It just depends on who you get with. The loaner
> garb I started with (3 whole outfits) lasted me about 2 years, always
> wearing the same stuff, until I learned to sew. I have never seen a SCA
> site (or merchant site) that wasn't about 'making money' overpricing stuff.
> Now that I've made a few things, I know WHY they charge what they do. Your
> standard fancy gown takes about 40 hours to make, and depending on the
> fabric, can get very pricey!
> Also, sometimes you can find normal mundane clothes that work for the SCA,
> like floor length skirts and fancy tops with long sleeves.
>
> Learning to sew for the SCA is very easy - all I could do was hems when I
> started! Now I can make a viking, underdresses, coats (I just made myself a
> viking coat with fur and everything to replace a corderoy cloak that was
> never all that warm, one I paid about $100 for at a war!). I still buy
> little things every now and then, but now, 3 years into the SCA, I'm
> starting to sew my own garb, and I have switched to buying trims, buttons,
> patterns and fabric, instead of whole pieces. The trick I found is to buddy
> up with someone who makes their own garb all the time -- and have them
> teach you the easy ways to do things. My friend who sews grew up in the
> SCA, and she's been sewing her own garb since she was 10. Her stuff looks
> amazing.
>
> Hate to tell you but middle age clothing was ALWAYS done in layers. A
> chemise is basically underwear. It goes under everything (or you can use a
> dress that FUNCTIONS like a chemise, with long sleeves, that goes to the
> ground, which chemises did). Then you wear whatever you are going to wear
> OVER the chemise (like a viking or sideless). The chemises were long
> sleeved, because women did not bare anything if at all possible. It wasn't
> proper to see one's feet and legs, or forearms, according to the church.
>
> If you're thinking about being a viking, clothing couldn't be easier (or
> cheaper!) for you to make yourself.
> For the standard viking underdress (think chemise, or dress that can stand
> alone), use Burda pattern 7468. I found it at Joann Fabrics. This pattern
> is very easy and makes 2 different dresses, depending on the sleeves. "A"
> is the a generic underdress that can be worn under a sideless or viking.
> "B" is a fancier stand-alone dress that has the long flowy sleeves. (they
> are both pretty much the same dress, it's really mainly the sleeves that
> are different). The viking itself is about 3 1/2 yards of linen blend, and
> can be made in 7 pieces - back, front, 2 sides, 2 shoulders and a "bra"
> strap that goes around and connects them to the dress. A friend of mine
> made me a pattern for that. There is also a Burda pattern for the sideless,
> which is WAY easy (2 pieces!) and goes over an underdress. Burda 7977 is
> also 2 dresses -- an underdress (standard fitted chemise) and a sideless.
>
> I've gone from having 2-3 outfits total to making 3 sidelesses, 4 chemises
> in different colors (so you can mix/match), 3 vikings and 2 stand alone
> fancier dresses. Now I can get thru a 7 day war and not wear the same thing
> twice! YAY!
>
> Also don't worry about getting a "persona" -- I've been playing 3 years
> and still don't have one. I only have a name because our household has
> several "angela"s, and I wanted to differentiate myself. And it's not a
> proper "vetted" midieval name -- it's just something I liked the sound of.
> I'm the only chainmailler in my household. I'm also almost the only archer
> in a household of sword and board fighters.
>
> My advice? Go to a few local wars and try to find a household you like.
> Many households have some form of membership requirements - like you have
> to attend so many wars with them, or be active in a specific thing (ie my
> household, most everyone takes the field, or supports the field by
> waterbearing/etc); others don't care, so long as you are the same type of
> persona they are (ie in a pirate household, everyone is a pirate). If they
> like you, they will ask you to be part of their household. Just go make
> some friends! :) Eventually you'll find that someone who makes garb too.
>
> LOL don't worry about Norse -- m'lord and m'lady is the only new
> "language" I've ever heard in the SCA! :)
>
> Yours in Service (YIS),
> Inea Arcur (Angela) - combat archer, brewer, chainmailler, and now garb
> maker! [I was going to say "sew er", but see how that looks!?]
> Atenveldt (AZ)
> invertedarcher@...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amy Augusta amyrae12@...>
> To: scanewcomers scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:20 am
> Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Possible newcomer to East Kingdom
>
> Hello, I'm in the process of exploring the idea of joining SCA. I've been
> looking at garb, personas, etc and am thoroughly intimidated! I can sew a
> very very little (like curtains), so I'm looking for either the easiest
> possible dress to make that is at least a little fitted, or better yet a
> site where SCA folk sell their gently used garb so I can try that out prior
> to testing my sewing skills to the limit.
> Does anyone know of such a site? I can't pay the $100s of dollars for the
> retail sites, many of which are cotton/poly blends anyway. My persona
> thoughts are either Viking or 15th century generic since those dresses look
> easy and more comfortable than the Viking apron dresses over multiple
> layers. I prefer simple when possible.
>
> Ideas? Suggestions for easy to start with personas/time periods. There is
> zero chance I'm learning any Norse...I'm 40yo and my brain isn't that agile
> anymore!
>
> Thank you,
> Amy who doesn't have a cooler name than that in Maine
>
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>
>
>



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~Alison


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yes, its to go over a Padded  Gambeson, thank you for the info..

--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Stefan li Rous <stefanlirous@...> wrote:
>
> > what gauge steel wire is minimum for SCA ?? 16 Ga ?
>
> It likely depends upon whether the mail links are just butted together, or
riveted or welded (a non-period method).
>
> Mail, by itself, is not a good defense against SCA weapons. In period, it
needed to be worn over other padding. It works best as protection against bladed
weapons and less well against maces and clubs, which the SCA weapons tend to
resemble, i.e. no edges, but a fair amount of mass.
>
> As someone else recommended, I would check your kingdom regulations.
>
> For some more info on mail, see these files in the COMBAT section of the
Florilegium:
> chainmail-beg-art (24K) 11/ 2/00 "Chainmaille Tutorial for Beginners"
> by Culann Mac Cruimeinn.
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/chainmail-beg-art.html
>
> chainmail-msg (132K) 1/ 8/08 Making chainmail. Mail armor. References.
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/chainmail-msg.html
>
> chnmail-clean-msg (6K) 10/18/01 Cleaning mail armor in period and today.
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/chnmail-clean-msg.html
>
> merch-chainml-msg (24K) 4/29/06 Chainmail merchants and supplies.
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMBAT/merch-chainml-msg.html
>
> Stefan
> --------
> THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
>    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****
>

Hello,
I found out about the SCA about a year ago and attended a few meetings but then
I moved out of state for a while and just moved back and would like to get
involved with the SCA again. I live in the Barony of Northkeep. I noticed on the
website that the schedule has changed from what it was last year.
So my questions are-
when is Archery practice and Rapier practice?
Besides the archery and rapier lessons, what meetings would be good for newcomer
to attend? The schedule was a bit confusing.
Also who can I talk to about choosing my name?
and lastly-I love costumes and own a ton but none of them are accurate and i
know that that is a pretty big deal within the SCA. Is it ok to wear inaccurate
costumes? Also is there someone I can talk to to help me research accurate
costumes and it would be wonderful if there is someone who could make me a
couple of costumes? (Id pay for them of course)
Thanks so much for all the help and sorry to bombard you all with so many
questions!!
you can private email me at chimericalgirl@...

Greetings Stephanie!

You may want to get in touch with that barony directly.  This list is
society-wide, so many folks here can respond to help out, although the local
group there can get more specific with you on the meeting and practice times,
etc. I think you should be able to locate their specific website by looking up
your zip on here:
http://sca.org/geography/kingdom_lookup.html

In general, unless you are trying to enter that costume/garb in an A&S
competition, accuracy is not required!  As long as you are making the best
attempt that you can to not look modern, and to look medieval, this is generally
accepted. :) So do not worry. Later as you make some more period-accurate items
you can certainly swap over to those as you can. Some nice basic T-tunics are an
easy start which spans a great deal of time which makes them appropriate for a
wide range of our history. If you don't find any costume sewers in your local
group, there are sure to be some folks on here or on one of the SCA Costuming
lists who can get you started. If you do even any simple sewing at all, you can
put together some accurate articles yourself without a great deal of effort,
with a little knowledge! :)

The group's Herald should be able to help you get started with name and (when
you're ready) device registration. You can think about what you want to have
registered on your own and start to look up some info to help the process. Some
people end up going through their namesake or country of origin; for example, I
was curious where my roots were from. I discovered Wales and ended up selecting
a Welsh name that I liked. Heralds helped me find the spelling version
appropriate for the right medieval era I found interesting. Or you can just look
at other names for inspiration. :)

I was going to type more, but the end of the day snuck up on me at work..
~Aranwen, who at least had a few thoughts to add to the answer.


--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, "stephanie" <chimericalgirl@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I found out about the SCA about a year ago and attended a few meetings but
then I moved out of state for a while and just moved back and would like to get
involved with the SCA again. I live in the Barony of Northkeep. I noticed on the
website that the schedule has changed from what it was last year.
> So my questions are-
> when is Archery practice and Rapier practice?
> Besides the archery and rapier lessons, what meetings would be good for
newcomer to attend? The schedule was a bit confusing.
> Also who can I talk to about choosing my name?
> and lastly-I love costumes and own a ton but none of them are accurate and i
know that that is a pretty big deal within the SCA. Is it ok to wear inaccurate
costumes? Also is there someone I can talk to to help me research accurate
costumes and it would be wonderful if there is someone who could make me a
couple of costumes? (Id pay for them of course)
> Thanks so much for all the help and sorry to bombard you all with so many
questions!!
> you can private email me at chimericalgirl@...
>

Stephanie asked:
<<< when is Archery practice and Rapier practice?
Besides the archery and rapier lessons, what meetings would be good for newcomer
to attend? The schedule was a bit confusing. >>>

These are questions better asked of the people in your home group, Northkeep.
I'm in your home kingdom of Ansteorra, but I'm not familiar with the local
situation, much less the other folks on this list from all over the Known World,
which includes large expanses of the real world.

<<< Also who can I talk to about choosing my name? >>>

Really, it would help first to decide which region and/or time era you are most
interested in, since that could affect which names you have to choose from. I do
recommend that you come up with at least a first name as soon as you have this
pinned down some. Otherwise the folks in the SCA may well make up a name for
you. And you may or may not like that name. It also saves folks from learning
your regular name and then shortly after having to learn a new name for you, all
over again.

Some names do span a large time span or area, and if you can't narrow it down,
that is a possible solution. And nothing is set in stone. You can always change
your name later. For some people it is easy to get people to use their new name.
For others not so much.

Perhaps these files in the NEWCOMERS section of the Florilegium might be of
interest:
Choose-a-Name-art (12K) 10/ 3/09 "Choosing a Society Name: Hints for Newcomers"
by Dietmar Reinhart von Straubing and Malachias von Morgenstern.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/Choose-a-Name-art.html

names-FAQ (14K) 5/ 8/96 Choosing and registering names in the SCA.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/names-FAQ.html

There are other files in that same section which might also be of interest.

There are some files on personas and names in the PERSONAS section.

<<< and lastly-I love costumes and own a ton but none of them are accurate and i
know that that is a pretty big deal within the SCA. Is it ok to wear inaccurate
costumes? >>>

The only requirement is to wear an "attempt at medieval clothing". Particularly
for newcomers usually you are given a fair amount of slack.

It is also often possible to borrow an outfit from someone already in the SCA
and many groups also have chests of clothes to loan to newcomers until they can
get their own.

If you are interested in clothing and sewing, you can certainly learn to sew
very elaborate, complex clothing.

<<< Also is there someone I can talk to to help me research accurate costumes
and it would be wonderful if there is someone who could make me a couple of
costumes? (Id pay for them of course) >>>

There are plenty of folks in the SCA that will be willing to help you for free.
We all learn from each other and we stand on each other's shoulders to
continuously improve our art.

You might wish to look at some of the files in the CLOTHING section of the
Florilegium.

There are also a number of people who do take on sewing commissions in the SCA.
You might check this Florilegium file:
merch-cloth-lst (25K) 8/19/10 Lists of clothes and pattern merchants.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/merch-cloth-lst.html

merch-shoes-msg (32K) 5/18/11 Lists and reviews of period-style shoe makers.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/merch-shoes-msg.html

<<< Thanks so much for all the help and sorry to bombard you all with so many
questions!! >>>

Feel free to. That is one of the main purposes of this list. I am also happy to
help you as I may by email.

I have sent this to the list and to you, since it may be of interest to others
here as well.

One thing to keep in mind is that this week there is a big SCA event called Gulf
Wars going on near Haddiesburg, Mississippi. Much of my local group, and I
assume in Namron as well is already on the way to this event or will be.  So you
may not be able to reach many of your local folks until next week.

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Hi everyone~!

So I have been aware of the SCA for a few years now and have attended Pennsic
and a few other events. However, due to my work I move around A LOT; in the last
5 years I have lived in 3 different kingdoms. Right now I am in Meridies and in
a year I will be moving to Caid and possibly only to be there for 2 years... I
was wondering how do you go about joining a kingdom if you are constantly on the
move, all the info I have seen states that I should contact the place I live in
but it seems like it is with the intent of permanence... Do I just do this every
time I move?

Sorry to bother you guys!!!

And thanks for any guidance you have to offer!

Greetings I am interested in joining the SCA but my interest lay in the sea and
more specifically in the swashbuckling pirate like part of history more of an
independent merchant adventurer persona. Is there a place for someone like me
within the SCA or should I look elsewhere?

Ronel

"Join" is sort of a funny word.

And that sort of movement is fairly common.

Jump in with Meridies now, then starting playing in Caid.

Find the town you are in on the Meridian website and star tthere.

Also, if you are on facebook. join the SCA group (there is an official one
and an official one  and there are Meridians on both.

Liam
East Kingdom







On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:29 AM, myvrocks382 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi everyone~!
>
> So I have been aware of the SCA for a few years now and have attended
> Pennsic and a few other events. However, due to my work I move around A
> LOT; in the last 5 years I have lived in 3 different kingdoms. Right now I
> am in Meridies and in a year I will be moving to Caid and possibly only to
> be there for 2 years... I was wondering how do you go about joining a
> kingdom if you are constantly on the move, all the info I have seen states
> that I should contact the place I live in but it seems like it is with the
> intent of permanence... Do I just do this every time I move?
>
> Sorry to bother you guys!!!
>
> And thanks for any guidance you have to offer!
>
>
>


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Ronel: The SCA pretty much ends at 1600, so the kind of pirate  you seem to
be looking for is more a focus in other groups.

That said, there is certainly a place in the SCA for someone doing
pre-1660-style "independent merchant adventurer" and sea stuff in the SCA.

Liam
East



On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM, An American <mrrjessup1@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Greetings I am interested in joining the SCA but my interest lay in the
> sea and more specifically in the swashbuckling pirate like part of history
> more of an independent merchant adventurer persona. Is there a place for
> someone like me within the SCA or should I look elsewhere?
>
> Ronel
>
>
>


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I have lives in three different kingdoms and at least 5 different groups.
  One thing I have learned is, the SCA is the SCA wherever you go.

Sure the locals are different.  The Kingdoms rules and customs may be
different, but it is still the SCA.

So hop in, find things you like to do and then take them wherever you go in
the SCA.  Just hop on in with whatever local group you're at.  Go to events
in the kingdom you are in (and outside of it if you are so desiring.)  Just
get out there and have fun learning about the pre-1600 world by doing.

Ian

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam@...> wrote:

> "Join" is sort of a funny word.
>
> And that sort of movement is fairly common.
>
> Jump in with Meridies now, then starting playing in Caid.
>
> Find the town you are in on the Meridian website and star tthere.
>
> Also, if you are on facebook. join the SCA group (there is an official one
> and an official one  and there are Meridians on both.
>
> Liam
> East Kingdom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:29 AM, myvrocks382 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com
> >wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone~!
> >
> > So I have been aware of the SCA for a few years now and have attended
> > Pennsic and a few other events. However, due to my work I move around A
> > LOT; in the last 5 years I have lived in 3 different kingdoms. Right now
> I
> > am in Meridies and in a year I will be moving to Caid and possibly only
> to
> > be there for 2 years... I was wondering how do you go about joining a
> > kingdom if you are constantly on the move, all the info I have seen
> states
> > that I should contact the place I live in but it seems like it is with
> the
> > intent of permanence... Do I just do this every time I move?
> >
> > Sorry to bother you guys!!!
> >
> > And thanks for any guidance you have to offer!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
Yours In Service,

THLord Ian the Green

"Veritatem resistit simplicitate"

My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>


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There are plenty of sea personalities in the SCA.  We do have rapiers and
such as well.

But as it has been pointed out the swashbuckling pirates of yore, aren't
yore enough to be in the time period of the SCA.  Pirates have been around
just about three seconds less than shipping has.  The ancient phoenicians
had to deal with them and so has everyone else ever since.  There are even
some notable female pirates in the SCA time period.  I know a couple of
people who have even received letters of marque from their crown, heck I
helped with the wording and writing of one of them!

So if you are willing to adjust your calendar back 100 years-ish to a less
swashing time period you are most welcome to come and play with us.
  Permission granted to come aboard if ye be friend, meet the point of my
sword if ye be foe, and if you are here to get the tax on the cargo I
carry, you will find the bales of wool over there, no we haven't heard a
thing about treasure being snuck in, we'll sure keep an ear out for you...

Ian the Green

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM, An American <mrrjessup1@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Greetings I am interested in joining the SCA but my interest lay in the
> sea and more specifically in the swashbuckling pirate like part of history
> more of an independent merchant adventurer persona. Is there a place for
> someone like me within the SCA or should I look elsewhere?
>
> Ronel
>
>
>



--
Yours In Service,

THLord Ian the Green

"Veritatem resistit simplicitate"

My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>


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Thanks I will do my research I guess I can  give up my life as a
swashbuckling pirate in favor of a Viking pillager.  LOL I just need to
figure out the differences in costuming. I assume a T-tunic with maybe a
fur or sheepskin vest might be better than the chemise
<http://www.etsy.com/listing/98549185/mens-renissance-poet-shirt>  and
horatio  <http://bosswench.com/horatio.htm>  Vest I have in my closet.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.




Ronel





--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...>
wrote:
>
> There are plenty of sea personalities in the SCA.  We do have rapiers
and
> such as well.
>
> But as it has been pointed out the swashbuckling pirates of yore,
aren't
> yore enough to be in the time period of the SCA.  Pirates have been
around
> just about three seconds less than shipping has.  The ancient
phoenicians
> had to deal with them and so has everyone else ever since.  There are
even
> some notable female pirates in the SCA time period.  I know a couple
of
> people who have even received letters of marque from their crown, heck
I
> helped with the wording and writing of one of them!
>
> So if you are willing to adjust your calendar back 100 years-ish to a
less
> swashing time period you are most welcome to come and play with us.
>  Permission granted to come aboard if ye be friend, meet the point of
my
> sword if ye be foe, and if you are here to get the tax on the cargo I
> carry, you will find the bales of wool over there, no we haven't heard
a
> thing about treasure being snuck in, we'll sure keep an ear out for
you...
>
> Ian the Green
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM, An American mrrjessup1@... wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Greetings I am interested in joining the SCA but my interest lay in
the
> > sea and more specifically in the swashbuckling pirate like part of
history
> > more of an independent merchant adventurer persona. Is there a place
for
> > someone like me within the SCA or should I look elsewhere?
> >
> > Ronel
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Yours In Service,
>
> THLord Ian the Green
>
> "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
>
> My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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On 3/10/2013 10:07 AM, An American wrote:
>
> Thanks I will do my research I guess I can  give up my life as a
> swashbuckling pirate in favor of a Viking pillager.  LOL I just need to
> figure out the differences in costuming. I assume a T-tunic with maybe a
> fur or sheepskin vest might be better than the chemise
> <http://www.etsy.com/listing/98549185/mens-renissance-poet-shirt>  and
> horatio  <http://bosswench.com/horatio.htm>  Vest I have in my closet.
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>

Some links and images out there for you.  (Note, I'm quite certain that
you're capable of doing your own research, but there's so much garbage
out there especially concerning Vikings [ditch the horns, for instance])
.....  Thought that I'd save you some grief!

http://www.cs.vassar.edu/~capriest/mensgarb.html
http://www.revivalclothing.com/10th-11thcearlymedievalvikingpants.aspx
(scroll down for some nice images -- the pic at the top is just of pants
and leggings)
http://valerianastock.deviantart.com/art/Drawing-of-Viking-clothes-101367693
http://www.hurstwic.org/history/articles/daily_living/text/clothing.htm
and finally ... The Viking Answer Lady just rocks!
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/clothing.shtml

Jerusha
--
Susan B. Farmer
sfarmer@...
Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College
College of Science and Math
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium
http://www.abac.edu/academics/schools/math-science/faculty-staff/sfarmer

Ian the Green commented:
<<< I have lives in three different kingdoms and at least 5 different groups.
One thing I have learned is, the SCA is the SCA wherever you go.

Sure the locals are different.  The Kingdoms rules and customs may be
different, but it is still the SCA. >>>

Not just directed at the original poster, but anyone who is changing kingdoms,
keep in mind the second comment above. Just because things were done one way in
your last group doesn't mean they are better or worse than where you currently
are.

It is best not to start off with "It was much better in my last group. There we
did it this way…"

Some useful comments for people moving from group to group. In the NEWCOMERS
section in the Florilegium:

Othr-Newcomrs-art (16K) 2/23/03 "The 'Other' Newcomers" by Lady Wilhelmina
Catharin de Rochelle. For SCA folks moving from one group to another.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/Othr-Newcomrs-art.html

SCA-trans-msg (18K) 1/ 4/96 How to handle the move from one group to
another. For the people in the group too.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/SCA-trans-msg.html

Another article, perhaps of more usefulness to brand new folks, but also useful
for those moving to a new group:
How-2-get-2do-art (12K) 4/23/11 "How to get to do things in the SCA" by
Duchess Willow de Wisp, OL, OP, OR.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/How-2-get-2do-art.html

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Ronel asked:
<<< Greetings I am interested in joining the SCA but my interest lay in the sea
and more specifically in the swashbuckling pirate like part of history more of
an independent merchant adventurer persona. Is there a place for someone like me
within the SCA or should I look elsewhere? >>>

Lots of pirates within our period, even if not the Caribbean pirates you might
be thinking of.

The Norse, when they left home and went a'viking were often pirates as much as
traders, depending upon the situation and what they thought would serve their
purposes best.

Norse-msg (120K) 2/ 7/08 Norse culture. Viking raids.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CULTURES/Norse-msg.html

Often whether someone was a pirate or privateer or national hero, depended upon
which side you were on.
Pirates-lnks (12K) 12/ 7/03 Web links to info on medieval Wales
by Dame Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CULTURES/pirates-lnks.html

pirates-msg (38K) 3/ 6/08 Pirates throughout the Middle Ages.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CULTURES/pirates-msg.html

Francis-Drake-art (20K) 6/ 3/01 "Sir Francis Drake" by Lord Simon fitz Tomas.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/PEOPLE/Francis-Drake-art.html

Another section in the Florilegium which might be of interest is the TRAVEL
section. There is a lot of info there on medieval ships, seamanship, navigation
instruments and travel food including ship food.

There are people and groups within the SCA which have built replicas of various
medieval ships and sail them a various events.
boat-building-msg (42K) 1/21/08 Building boats using medieval techniques.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TRAVEL/boat-building-msg.html

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Thanks so much to everyone for the advice and the links to the articles~!



--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...> wrote:
>
> I have lives in three different kingdoms and at least 5 different groups.
>  One thing I have learned is, the SCA is the SCA wherever you go.
>
> Sure the locals are different.  The Kingdoms rules and customs may be
> different, but it is still the SCA.
>
> So hop in, find things you like to do and then take them wherever you go in
> the SCA.  Just hop on in with whatever local group you're at.  Go to events
> in the kingdom you are in (and outside of it if you are so desiring.)  Just
> get out there and have fun learning about the pre-1600 world by doing.
>
> Ian
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam@...> wrote:
>
> > "Join" is sort of a funny word.
> >
> > And that sort of movement is fairly common.
> >
> > Jump in with Meridies now, then starting playing in Caid.
> >
> > Find the town you are in on the Meridian website and star tthere.
> >
> > Also, if you are on facebook. join the SCA group (there is an official one
> > and an official one  and there are Meridians on both.
> >
> > Liam
> > East Kingdom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 1:29 AM, myvrocks382 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone~!
> > >
> > > So I have been aware of the SCA for a few years now and have attended
> > > Pennsic and a few other events. However, due to my work I move around A
> > > LOT; in the last 5 years I have lived in 3 different kingdoms. Right now
> > I
> > > am in Meridies and in a year I will be moving to Caid and possibly only
> > to
> > > be there for 2 years... I was wondering how do you go about joining a
> > > kingdom if you are constantly on the move, all the info I have seen
> > states
> > > that I should contact the place I live in but it seems like it is with
> > the
> > > intent of permanence... Do I just do this every time I move?
> > >
> > > Sorry to bother you guys!!!
> > >
> > > And thanks for any guidance you have to offer!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Yours In Service,
>
> THLord Ian the Green
>
> "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
>
> My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
>
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Hello all -

I've recently been pouring over the wonderful articles at The Academy
of Saint Gabriel. However, there is so much information and my query
is a little broad, so I'm having some trouble trying to find
precedence or rules for how to create descriptive/epithet bynames.

From what I can gather, it looks like the structure, language, culture
and time period (not unsurprisingly) of the persona dictates the rules
for this type of surname, so I'll start with those!

I'd like my given name to be <Arianwen> which is "early medieval"
600-900 Welsh. The surnames I'm scratching my head on deal with
descriptions such as:

Wild: <Wylde> <Wild> <Wilde>. Wild and the variations thereof seem to
be the easiest to deal with in terms of historical viability,
especially with a Welsh first name.
(<Wylde> - English Surname. R&W pg 492 sn <Wild> dates <Uluricus
Wilde> to 1066, <William le Witde> to 1177, <Henry le Wylde> to 1236.
Bardsley (pg 813 sn <Wild>) dates <Johannes Wylde> to1379.)
http://www.amethyst-night.com/names/welshsurs.html
http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Rutland/bynamesalphabetically.htm

Now I want to know if you can simply tack on another word to a
documented name as a descriptive nickname byname, like:
<Wildehawk><Wildehawke><Wylehawk><Wildhawke>. There are no precedents
that I can find for this, though both <Wilde> and <Hawke> are both
verified independently. From what I've read in articles (listed below)
doing this sort of thing was rare but not unheard of.
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/bynames/
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/bynames/scabynames.html#scabynames

I'm assuming something like <Arianwen the Wild Hawk> would be flat out
impossible? How about epithet bynames such as <the Untame>? There is
precedence for <the Untame> that was successfully registered in 1990:
"[Rachel the Untame] Submitted as Rachel the Untamed, we have only
been able to find one example of a period epithet in a participle
form. Therefore, we have corrected the byname to a more likely form
[the Untame]. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR August 1996, p. 11)".

Has anyone had any luck with creating their own descriptive
bynames/epithets? Thanks for any unput!

Arianwen
Lochac

Oh, I think there are places for a personality like yours! Focus more on
"when" you would like your persona to be living. Are you a Viking? Are you
a Conquistador? Something inbetween from a culture other than Norse or
Spanish?

How do you feel about pointy sticks? Do you practice rapier? We have
excellent fencers in the SCA. In my barony, such a group called The Thieves
of Hearts even have a pirate ship bar (not really era-accurate, just for
funsies), but they are quite serious about their craft.

What other interests do you have that would lend themselves to your chosen
persona? Do you like to sew? Are you a leather worker? Do you work with
metal casting? Can you cook, brew, paint, forge? Do you sing, perform, tell
a good story?

Find a group in your area and talk to them. You may have more fun than you
imagined.

Medb Mactireban
Deputy Chatelaine, Barony of Ayreton, Midlands, Middle Kingdom

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What's your dream? What are you going to do about it?


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