Head Dresses are fine.  Stay away from anything that could reasonably be
interpreted as a Crown.  When you find your local people, show them what
you have, and ask.  Nobody is going to get upset by you asking.

Yours in Service,

Ian the Green

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Alison Choyce <greenfaere@...>wrote:

> If you have cool headdress, I would use it! We love stuff like that.
> Alison
> On Jan 31, 2013 9:50 AM, "shelbystein" <shelbystein@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I like this medieval period -- cut out everything in life that wasn't fun
> > or positive -- that sounds good! I wish life were like that
> > I'm relieved also because I happen to own one costume and it is
> definitely
> > a lady's costume -- it's more like the garb of a queen than a serf. I
> > suppose I could just leave off the headrress. I don't know much about
> what
> > the various headdresses signify, and I know there's different crowns and
> > whatnot for people of different ranks, but I don't know how to determine
> if
> > my costume is "appropriate."
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:14 PM, shelbystein <shelbystein@...>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks! I appreciate all of the great information. I realize the middle
>>> ages, while being really cool, weren't so great for everyone! I think it
>>> was mentioned that everyone is part of the nobility. Are there no serfs?

I will say this: those who portray serfs, servants, and others with little to no
status can get away with owning less garb (and less expensive garb) than those
whose status would mean wearing the simpler/less expensive things would be
instantly a point of embarrassment. I do know those who have decided to portray
those of the peasant class, until they got their clothing and encampments a bit
upgraded.
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Twitter: @DvorahSCA
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On 31 Jan 2013, at 7:59 AM, Alison Choyce wrote:

> If you have cool headdress, I would use it! We love stuff like that.
> Alison

…As long as it's not a crown, coronet, or circlet that could be confused for a
crown. If you wear one, very well-meaning people will be helpfully suggesting
that it's not appropriate yet.
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Gyldenholt, Caid (Orange, CA)
dvorah@...
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Twitter: @DvorahSCA
Facebook: D'vorah bint Da'ud

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There is a circle of material on top that sits over the veil.  Could that be
interpreted as a crown?


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To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Serfs


On 31 Jan 2013, at 7:59 AM, Alison Choyce wrote:

> If you have cool headdress, I would use it! We love stuff like that.
> Alison

…As long as it's not a crown, coronet, or circlet that could be confused for a
crown. If you wear one, very well-meaning people will be helpfully suggesting
that it's not appropriate yet.
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Twitter: @DvorahSCA
Facebook: D'vorah bint Da'ud

If you have a parrot, and don't teach it to say "Help, they've trapped me in the
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 That sounds like a great book.  Do you know of any books that include Ireland,
or that cover Ireland specifically?  I don't mean the politics but the
day-to-day living.


________________________________
  From: Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!

An excellent book about how people lived in the Middle Ages would be:

Making a living in the Middle Ages:  The People of Britain 850-1520 by
Christopher Dyer, PhD.
http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/historical/people/cdyer

Book:

http://www.amazon.com/Making-Living-Middle-Ages-850-1520/dp/0300101910/ref=sr_1_\
fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359653205&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=living+in+the+middle+ages+8\
00+to+1600+book+england+scotland+wales

Highly suggest the book for anyone interested in how people lived in the
Middle ages for England, Wales and Scotland.  It covers the nobility, the
non-nobles and the Church very well.

Yours in Service,

Ian the Green

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...> wrote:

> I know several people who have non-nobility personas. I know a couple of
> which who have personas and lowly lay friars as well.
>
> It is rare in the SCA to see these personas but they are as legitimate as
> any other persona to have and to play.  That said, the default is that yes,
> you are minor nobility until or unless you have received awards that make
> you a "higher" class of nobility.  Most of the people I know who play the
> serfs and lay friars are of the highest orders in the SCA.  They still
> enjoy having serf personas.
>
> Much like other things in the SCA, we politely ignore the obvious
> inconsistencies.  You can't be a peasant/serf and be a peer of the realm in
> historical reality.  Becoming a peer of the realm would automatically
> elevate someone from whatever station they were into one of the highest
> possible stations.  Oh well, its the SCA, where we let you be what you want
> to be more or less.
>
> You don't get to call yourself a Knight, but you can earn that title.  You
> can't be Prince, Princess, King, Queen, Duke, Duchess, Count, Countess,
> Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, The Honorable Lord, The Honorable
> Lady, Lord, Lady, Master and/or Mistress (feminine of Master,) unless you
> EARN those titles.  Just about everything else is fair game.
>
> As for how much free time Peasants had, more than most people think.  In
> fact for most of the time period of the SCA peasants and serfs had shorter
> work hours during the week than a full time employee does today.  Yes,
>
> Yours in Service,
>
> Ian
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:14 PM, shelbystein <shelbystein@...>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Thanks! I appreciate all of the great information. I realize the middle
>> ages, while being really cool, weren't so great for everyone! I think it
>> was mentioned that everyone is part of the nobility. Are there no serfs?
>>
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Yours In Service,
>
> THLord Ian the Green
>
> "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
>
> My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>




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"Veritatem resistit simplicitate"

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Does anyone know if people wore black?  Did warriors wear black leather, or is
that just in the movies?

Well Nat. black wool I would think would be available, and there were as
I understand black dyes- but they were expansive. Late era might
have Puritanical or Judaic overtones. Maybe I don't have dates on hand.
errr I'm just a lurker on this list and Not really SCA sadly (thought I was
for a year) so take this with a grain of salt.

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:58 PM, shelbystein <shelbystein@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Does anyone know if people wore black? Did warriors wear black leather, or
> is that just in the movies?
>
>
>



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There are women I shall be who you've never met
As to who I am now if you're prompted to ask
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On 31 Jan 2013, at 2:45 PM, Shelby Stein wrote:

> There is a circle of material on top that sits over the veil.  Could that be
interpreted as a crown?

Fabric? No, not even a little. :) Circles of metal might be iffy, so ask someone
with more experience/time in the SCA to advise. Circles of leather or wood might
be, if they are pointed or embattled (look like castle crenellations). But a
fabric circle should be just peachy!
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Gyldenholt, Caid (Orange, CA)
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http://www.consensualreality.net/sca
Twitter: @DvorahSCA
Facebook: D'vorah bint Da'ud

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Actually the book mentioned does cover Ireland as well. Though not as
completely.  I'm still working my way through it as real life (you will
hear that term a lot) keeps popping up taking time away from my hobby.

I might suggest books by Dr Sean Duffy of the Trinity College in Ireland
for books on Ireland Specifically.  For example the book "Ireland in the
Middle Ages."

http://www.amazon.com/Ireland-British-History-Perspective-Paperback/dp/031216390\
8/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359690453&sr=1-1&keywords=ireland+in+the+middl\
e+ages

Ian

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Shelby Stein <shelbystein@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
>  That sounds like a great book.  Do you know of any books that include
> Ireland, or that cover Ireland specifically?  I don't mean the politics but
> the day-to-day living.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!
>
>
> An excellent book about how people lived in the Middle Ages would be:
>
> Making a living in the Middle Ages:  The People of Britain 850-1520 by
> Christopher Dyer, PhD.
> http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/historical/people/cdyer
>
> Book:
>
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Living-Middle-Ages-850-1520/dp/0300101910/ref=sr_1_\
fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359653205&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=living+in+the+middle+ages+8\
00+to+1600+book+england+scotland+wales
>
> Highly suggest the book for anyone interested in how people lived in the
> Middle ages for England, Wales and Scotland.  It covers the nobility, the
> non-nobles and the Church very well.
>
> Yours in Service,
>
> Ian the Green
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> wrote:
>
> > I know several people who have non-nobility personas. I know a couple of
> > which who have personas and lowly lay friars as well.
> >
> > It is rare in the SCA to see these personas but they are as legitimate as
> > any other persona to have and to play.  That said, the default is that
> yes,
> > you are minor nobility until or unless you have received awards that make
> > you a "higher" class of nobility.  Most of the people I know who play the
> > serfs and lay friars are of the highest orders in the SCA.  They still
> > enjoy having serf personas.
> >
> > Much like other things in the SCA, we politely ignore the obvious
> > inconsistencies.  You can't be a peasant/serf and be a peer of the realm
> in
> > historical reality.  Becoming a peer of the realm would automatically
> > elevate someone from whatever station they were into one of the highest
> > possible stations.  Oh well, its the SCA, where we let you be what you
> want
> > to be more or less.
> >
> > You don't get to call yourself a Knight, but you can earn that title.
> You
> > can't be Prince, Princess, King, Queen, Duke, Duchess, Count, Countess,
> > Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, The Honorable Lord, The Honorable
> > Lady, Lord, Lady, Master and/or Mistress (feminine of Master,) unless you
> > EARN those titles.  Just about everything else is fair game.
> >
> > As for how much free time Peasants had, more than most people think.  In
> > fact for most of the time period of the SCA peasants and serfs had
> shorter
> > work hours during the week than a full time employee does today.  Yes,
> >
> > Yours in Service,
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:14 PM, shelbystein shelbystein@...
> >wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks! I appreciate all of the great information. I realize the middle
> >> ages, while being really cool, weren't so great for everyone! I think it
> >> was mentioned that everyone is part of the nobility. Are there no serfs?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yours In Service,
> >
> > THLord Ian the Green
> >
> > "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
> >
> > My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
>
>
> --
> Yours In Service,
>
> THLord Ian the Green
>
> "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
>
> My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
>
>
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Thanks!  I will look for into that.  Does anybody happen to know about banks in
the middle ages?  I read that they existed in some form or another.  Did people
just keep all their gold coin lying around?  How did they protect it?  I read
some people used money changers to finance wars, thereby preserving their
immediate wealth.

 


________________________________
  From: Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!

Actually the book mentioned does cover Ireland as well. Though not as
completely.  I'm still working my way through it as real life (you will
hear that term a lot) keeps popping up taking time away from my hobby.

I might suggest books by Dr Sean Duffy of the Trinity College in Ireland
for books on Ireland Specifically.  For example the book "Ireland in the
Middle Ages."

http://www.amazon.com/Ireland-British-History-Perspective-Paperback/dp/031216390\
8/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359690453&sr=1-1&keywords=ireland+in+the+middl\
e+ages

Ian

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Shelby Stein <shelbystein@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
>  That sounds like a great book.  Do you know of any books that include
> Ireland, or that cover Ireland specifically?  I don't mean the politics but
> the day-to-day living.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!
>
>
> An excellent book about how people lived in the Middle Ages would be:
>
> Making a living in the Middle Ages:  The People of Britain 850-1520 by
> Christopher Dyer, PhD.
> http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/historical/people/cdyer
>
> Book:
>
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Living-Middle-Ages-850-1520/dp/0300101910/ref=sr_1_\
fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359653205&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=living+in+the+middle+ages+8\
00+to+1600+book+england+scotland+wales
>
> Highly suggest the book for anyone interested in how people lived in the
> Middle ages for England, Wales and Scotland.  It covers the nobility, the
> non-nobles and the Church very well.
>
> Yours in Service,
>
> Ian the Green
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> wrote:
>
> > I know several people who have non-nobility personas. I know a couple of
> > which who have personas and lowly lay friars as well.
> >
> > It is rare in the SCA to see these personas but they are as legitimate as
> > any other persona to have and to play.  That said, the default is that
> yes,
> > you are minor nobility until or unless you have received awards that make
> > you a "higher" class of nobility.  Most of the people I know who play the
> > serfs and lay friars are of the highest orders in the SCA.  They still
> > enjoy having serf personas.
> >
> > Much like other things in the SCA, we politely ignore the obvious
> > inconsistencies.  You can't be a peasant/serf and be a peer of the realm
> in
> > historical reality.  Becoming a peer of the realm would automatically
> > elevate someone from whatever station they were into one of the highest
> > possible stations.  Oh well, its the SCA, where we let you be what you
> want
> > to be more or less.
> >
> > You don't get to call yourself a Knight, but you can earn that title.
> You
> > can't be Prince, Princess, King, Queen, Duke, Duchess, Count, Countess,
> > Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, The Honorable Lord, The Honorable
> > Lady, Lord, Lady, Master and/or Mistress (feminine of Master,) unless you
> > EARN those titles.  Just about everything else is fair game.
> >
> > As for how much free time Peasants had, more than most people think.  In
> > fact for most of the time period of the SCA peasants and serfs had
> shorter
> > work hours during the week than a full time employee does today.  Yes,
> >
> > Yours in Service,
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:14 PM, shelbystein shelbystein@...
> >wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks! I appreciate all of the great information. I realize the middle
> >> ages, while being really cool, weren't so great for everyone! I think it
> >> was mentioned that everyone is part of the nobility. Are there no serfs?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yours In Service,
> >
> > THLord Ian the Green
> >
> > "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
> >
> > My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
>
>
> --
> Yours In Service,
>
> THLord Ian the Green
>
> "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
>
> My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
>
>
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Hi, I deal with pigments and dyes, though I am not a fiber arts dye person.

What I know is that black was a very expensive color to use for clothing.
  It was not the norm and those who could afford it used it to show off
their wealth. This is one of the reasons that the Spanish Court in the Age
of Exploration wore so much black.  Could it be done?  Yes,  Was it common?
  No.

Can you do it in the SCA?  Sure.

Ian

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:58 PM, shelbystein <shelbystein@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Does anyone know if people wore black? Did warriors wear black leather, or
> is that just in the movies?
>
>
>



--
Yours In Service,

THLord Ian the Green

"Veritatem resistit simplicitate"

My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>


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For many book subjects I use Amazon.com kind of like a book google search.

I make sure to click on books then I type in the search query.

In this case I typed in "Banks in the Middle Ages," and came up with a
suitable list of books.

"Money and the Middle Ages,"

http://www.amazon.com/Money-Middle-Ages-Jacques-Goff/dp/0745652999/ref=sr_1_1?s=\
books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359727283&sr=1-1&keywords=banks+in+the+middle+ages

"Banking Trade and Industry: Europe, America and Asia from the 13th to the
20th Century"

http://www.amazon.com/Banking-Trade-Industry-Thirteenth-Twentieth/dp/0521188873/\
ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359727283&sr=1-2&keywords=banks+in+the+middle+ag\
es

Then to make sure it is written by someone of authority I go to Google and
search the Author's Name and then add the word Author after it.

If that search results are too broad and I can't find the person, I will
type in the book name as well and hope to get some good biographical
information.  I used to just click on the authors name on Amazon but in my
experience it doesn't tell me often enough if the person is a Ph.D. in the
subject or just some hack or anything in between.

If it is something I want, I then contact my local bookstore and/or library
and see if they carry it.  If they don't I check various booksellers online
for the best prices.

Best of luck finding information on your interests!  The more we learn the
better people we become is my motto.  Of course I'm the child of two
teachers.

Yours in Service,

Ian the Green

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Shelby Stein <shelbystein@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks!  I will look for into that.  Does anybody happen to know about
> banks in the middle ages?  I read that they existed in some form or
> another.  Did people just keep all their gold coin lying around?  How did
> they protect it?  I read some people used money changers to finance wars,
> thereby preserving their immediate wealth.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:49 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!
>
> Actually the book mentioned does cover Ireland as well. Though not as
> completely.  I'm still working my way through it as real life (you will
> hear that term a lot) keeps popping up taking time away from my hobby.
>
> I might suggest books by Dr Sean Duffy of the Trinity College in Ireland
> for books on Ireland Specifically.  For example the book "Ireland in the
> Middle Ages."
>
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Ireland-British-History-Perspective-Paperback/dp/031216390\
8/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359690453&sr=1-1&keywords=ireland+in+the+middl\
e+ages
>
> Ian
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Shelby Stein shelbystein@...>
> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  That sounds like a great book.  Do you know of any books that include
> > Ireland, or that cover Ireland specifically?  I don't mean the politics
> but
> > the day-to-day living.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> > To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!
> >
> >
> > An excellent book about how people lived in the Middle Ages would be:
> >
> > Making a living in the Middle Ages:  The People of Britain 850-1520 by
> > Christopher Dyer, PhD.
> > http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/historical/people/cdyer
> >
> > Book:
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Living-Middle-Ages-850-1520/dp/0300101910/ref=sr_1_\
fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359653205&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=living+in+the+middle+ages+8\
00+to+1600+book+england+scotland+wales
> >
> > Highly suggest the book for anyone interested in how people lived in the
> > Middle ages for England, Wales and Scotland.  It covers the nobility, the
> > non-nobles and the Church very well.
> >
> > Yours in Service,
> >
> > Ian the Green
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I know several people who have non-nobility personas. I know a couple
> of
> > > which who have personas and lowly lay friars as well.
> > >
> > > It is rare in the SCA to see these personas but they are as legitimate
> as
> > > any other persona to have and to play.  That said, the default is that
> > yes,
> > > you are minor nobility until or unless you have received awards that
> make
> > > you a "higher" class of nobility.  Most of the people I know who play
> the
> > > serfs and lay friars are of the highest orders in the SCA.  They still
> > > enjoy having serf personas.
> > >
> > > Much like other things in the SCA, we politely ignore the obvious
> > > inconsistencies.  You can't be a peasant/serf and be a peer of the
> realm
> > in
> > > historical reality.  Becoming a peer of the realm would automatically
> > > elevate someone from whatever station they were into one of the highest
> > > possible stations.  Oh well, its the SCA, where we let you be what you
> > want
> > > to be more or less.
> > >
> > > You don't get to call yourself a Knight, but you can earn that title.
> > You
> > > can't be Prince, Princess, King, Queen, Duke, Duchess, Count, Countess,
> > > Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, The Honorable Lord, The
> Honorable
> > > Lady, Lord, Lady, Master and/or Mistress (feminine of Master,) unless
> you
> > > EARN those titles.  Just about everything else is fair game.
> > >
> > > As for how much free time Peasants had, more than most people think.
> In
> > > fact for most of the time period of the SCA peasants and serfs had
> > shorter
> > > work hours during the week than a full time employee does today.  Yes,
> > >
> > > Yours in Service,
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:14 PM, shelbystein shelbystein@...
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks! I appreciate all of the great information. I realize the
> middle
> > >> ages, while being really cool, weren't so great for everyone! I think
> it
> > >> was mentioned that everyone is part of the nobility. Are there no
> serfs?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Yours In Service,
> > >
> > > THLord Ian the Green
> > >
> > > "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
> > >
> > > My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yours In Service,
> >
> > THLord Ian the Green
> >
> > "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
> >
> > My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Yours In Service,
>
> THLord Ian the Green
>
> "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
>
> My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
>
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>
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>
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Yours In Service,

THLord Ian the Green

"Veritatem resistit simplicitate"

My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>


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Thanks for the info!  I will definitely look into it.  I notice some conflicting
information on the internet.  Probably best to stick to books!


________________________________
  From: Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!

For many book subjects I use Amazon.com kind of like a book google search.

I make sure to click on books then I type in the search query.

In this case I typed in "Banks in the Middle Ages," and came up with a
suitable list of books.

"Money and the Middle Ages,"

http://www.amazon.com/Money-Middle-Ages-Jacques-Goff/dp/0745652999/ref=sr_1_1?s=\
books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359727283&sr=1-1&keywords=banks+in+the+middle+ages

"Banking Trade and Industry: Europe, America and Asia from the 13th to the
20th Century"

http://www.amazon.com/Banking-Trade-Industry-Thirteenth-Twentieth/dp/0521188873/\
ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359727283&sr=1-2&keywords=banks+in+the+middle+ag\
es

Then to make sure it is written by someone of authority I go to Google and
search the Author's Name and then add the word Author after it.

If that search results are too broad and I can't find the person, I will
type in the book name as well and hope to get some good biographical
information.  I used to just click on the authors name on Amazon but in my
experience it doesn't tell me often enough if the person is a Ph.D. in the
subject or just some hack or anything in between.

If it is something I want, I then contact my local bookstore and/or library
and see if they carry it.  If they don't I check various booksellers online
for the best prices.

Best of luck finding information on your interests!  The more we learn the
better people we become is my motto.  Of course I'm the child of two
teachers.

Yours in Service,

Ian the Green

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Shelby Stein <shelbystein@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks!  I will look for into that.  Does anybody happen to know about
> banks in the middle ages?  I read that they existed in some form or
> another.  Did people just keep all their gold coin lying around?  How did
> they protect it?  I read some people used money changers to finance wars,
> thereby preserving their immediate wealth.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:49 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!
>
> Actually the book mentioned does cover Ireland as well. Though not as
> completely.  I'm still working my way through it as real life (you will
> hear that term a lot) keeps popping up taking time away from my hobby.
>
> I might suggest books by Dr Sean Duffy of the Trinity College in Ireland
> for books on Ireland Specifically.  For example the book "Ireland in the
> Middle Ages."
>
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/Ireland-British-History-Perspective-Paperback/dp/031216390\
8/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359690453&sr=1-1&keywords=ireland+in+the+middl\
e+ages
>
> Ian
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Shelby Stein shelbystein@...>
> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  That sounds like a great book.  Do you know of any books that include
> > Ireland, or that cover Ireland specifically?  I don't mean the politics
> but
> > the day-to-day living.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> > To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Thanks!
> >
> >
> > An excellent book about how people lived in the Middle Ages would be:
> >
> > Making a living in the Middle Ages:  The People of Britain 850-1520 by
> > Christopher Dyer, PhD.
> > http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/historical/people/cdyer
> >
> > Book:
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Living-Middle-Ages-850-1520/dp/0300101910/ref=sr_1_\
fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1359653205&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=living+in+the+middle+ages+8\
00+to+1600+book+england+scotland+wales
> >
> > Highly suggest the book for anyone interested in how people lived in the
> > Middle ages for England, Wales and Scotland.  It covers the nobility, the
> > non-nobles and the Church very well.
> >
> > Yours in Service,
> >
> > Ian the Green
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Ian Green ianthegreen01@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I know several people who have non-nobility personas. I know a couple
> of
> > > which who have personas and lowly lay friars as well.
> > >
> > > It is rare in the SCA to see these personas but they are as legitimate
> as
> > > any other persona to have and to play.  That said, the default is that
> > yes,
> > > you are minor nobility until or unless you have received awards that
> make
> > > you a "higher" class of nobility.  Most of the people I know who play
> the
> > > serfs and lay friars are of the highest orders in the SCA.  They still
> > > enjoy having serf personas.
> > >
> > > Much like other things in the SCA, we politely ignore the obvious
> > > inconsistencies.  You can't be a peasant/serf and be a peer of the
> realm
> > in
> > > historical reality.  Becoming a peer of the realm would automatically
> > > elevate someone from whatever station they were into one of the highest
> > > possible stations.  Oh well, its the SCA, where we let you be what you
> > want
> > > to be more or less.
> > >
> > > You don't get to call yourself a Knight, but you can earn that title.
> > You
> > > can't be Prince, Princess, King, Queen, Duke, Duchess, Count, Countess,
> > > Viscount, Viscountess, Baron, Baroness, The Honorable Lord, The
> Honorable
> > > Lady, Lord, Lady, Master and/or Mistress (feminine of Master,) unless
> you
> > > EARN those titles.  Just about everything else is fair game.
> > >
> > > As for how much free time Peasants had, more than most people think.
> In
> > > fact for most of the time period of the SCA peasants and serfs had
> > shorter
> > > work hours during the week than a full time employee does today.  Yes,
> > >
> > > Yours in Service,
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:14 PM, shelbystein shelbystein@...
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks! I appreciate all of the great information. I realize the
> middle
> > >> ages, while being really cool, weren't so great for everyone! I think
> it
> > >> was mentioned that everyone is part of the nobility. Are there no
> serfs?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Yours In Service,
> > >
> > > THLord Ian the Green
> > >
> > > "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
> > >
> > > My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Yours In Service,
> >
> > THLord Ian the Green
> >
> > "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
> >
> > My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Yours In Service,
>
> THLord Ian the Green
>
> "Veritatem resistit simplicitate"
>
> My Blog http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>
>
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>
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>
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>
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"Veritatem resistit simplicitate"

My Blog <http://scribescribbling.wordpress.com/>


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Justin commented:
<<< All that being said, if anyone *wishes* to portray a serf, either as an
alternate persona or as their main persona, it's not against the rules. >>>

and
<<< Short answer: You are permitted to be a serf if you want, but no one can
ever force you into that role. >>>

For those who might wish to play a peasant, either temporally or as a main
persona, perhaps this Florilegium file in the CULTURES section might be of
interest:
peasants-msg (52K) 7/22/12 Peasants in period and SCA. peasant personas
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CULTURES/peasants-msg.html

For some other less standard persona ideas, see these files in the PERSONA
section:
per-insanity-msg (30K) 4/17/08 Insane personas, insanity in period.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAS/per-insanity-msg.html

per-lepers-msg (9K) 2/23/01 Stories of using leper personas.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAS/per-lepers-msg.html

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

<<< I will say this: those who portray serfs, servants, and others with little
to no status can get away with owning less garb (and less expensive garb) than
those whose status would mean wearing the simpler/less expensive things would be
instantly a point of embarrassment. I do know those who have decided to portray
those of the peasant class, until they got their clothing and encampments a bit
upgraded.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
-
D'vorah bint Da'ud >>>

For those who would like to live in the Elizabethan age but don't think they can
afford to buy or make what is thought of as the traditional outfit for that age,
this is a good solution. Create a persona of a middle class person. The
portraits you see are of the very, upper, upper class. A middle class persona
will be cheaper and easier to do and then as your time, knowledge and perhaps
dedication to this Society grow you can then create one of those high court
outfits you may have dreamed of.

Stefan

--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

<<<  That sounds like a great book.  Do you know of any books that include
Ireland, or that cover Ireland specifically?  I don't mean the politics but the
day-to-day living. >>>

You might see if any are reviewed in this Florilegium file in the CULTURES
section.
Ireland-lnks (20K) 12/25/03 Web links to medieval Ireland
by Dame Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CULTURES/Ireland-lnks.html

Ireland-msg (76K) 1/10/10 Irish culture, dress. Points of interest.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CULTURES/Ireland-msg.html

For clothing info you might check these in the CLOTHING section:
Irish-Brat-art (20K) 2/14/09 "Weaving an 11th Century Irish Brat"
by THL Cassandra of Glastonbury.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/Irish-Brat-art.html

cl-Ireland-msg (98K) 2/ 6/08 Medieval Irish clothing.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/cl-Ireland-msg.html

Stefan

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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

<<< Does anybody happen to know about banks in the middle ages?  I read that
they existed in some form or another.  Did people just keep all their gold coin
lying around?  How did they protect it?  I read some people used money changers
to finance wars, thereby preserving their immediate wealth. >>>

Perhaps these Florilegium files might be of use:
In the COMMERCE section:
commerce-msg (67K) 12/25/09 Commerce and trade in period.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMMERCE/commerce-msg.html

high-finance-art (24K) 1/12/03 "A Boke on the Financing of Warre, of
Courtes and the Other Divers Expenditures of Princes" by Lord Anton de Stoc.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMMERCE/high-finance-art.html

p-insurance-msg (17K) 8/22/00 Use of insurance in period. Dowry insurance.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/COMMERCE/p-insurance-msg.html

Stefan

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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Here is a message I've saved, which isn't in the Florilegium. Yet.

<<< Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 20:55:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel And elizabeth phelps  <dephelps@...>
To: Cooks within the SCA <sca-cooks@...>
Subject: [Sca-cooks] Odd Book

Picked up an odd book a while back and just got around to reading it, "Trade and
Banking in Early Modern England." Only the first chapter "The rise of
metropolitan markets" might be of interest to the list. It has a map of England
showing the "farming countries of England" and goes into great detail about
where things were raised and marketed and the movement of cheese, cattle, sheep,
and poultry in the 16th century. It talks about what went by pack horse and from
where, what went by wagon two wheeled and four and what went by boat up canals.
Fair amount of information on how the mail was carried and money transported.
All in all an odd little book. The remaining chapters go into commercial credit,
bills of exchange that sort of thing.

Daniel >>>

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

A Florilegium file in the TEXTILE ARTS section which might be of interest:
color-a-fab-bib (11K) 9/17/98 Biblio. from a class on color and fabrics.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/color-a-fab-bib.html

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Thanks for all the cool links!  I'll definitely follow up on them.   Also, I'm
a writer/bard in medieval epic poetry.  Is that a profession in the SCA?
 



________________________________
  From: Stefan li Rous <stefanlirous@...>
To: SCA Newcomers list list <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 3:38 PM
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] peasant and other different personas


 
Justin commented:
<<< All that being said, if anyone *wishes* to portray a serf, either as an
alternate persona or as their main persona, it's not against the rules. >>>

and
<<< Short answer: You are permitted to be a serf if you want, but no one can
ever force you into that role. >>>

For those who might wish to play a peasant, either temporally or as a main
persona, perhaps this Florilegium file in the CULTURES section might be of
interest:
peasants-msg (52K) 7/22/12 Peasants in period and SCA. peasant personas
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CULTURES/peasants-msg.html

For some other less standard persona ideas, see these files in the PERSONA
section:
per-insanity-msg (30K) 4/17/08 Insane personas, insanity in period.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAS/per-insanity-msg.html

per-lepers-msg (9K) 2/23/01 Stories of using leper personas.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAS/per-lepers-msg.html

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****




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Depends, as with most things, on your period and location. Usually our
best guesses are archaeological sources and analysis of fibers found
in grave sites, with a strong other source being the surviving
paintings and tapestries.

http://www.sjolander.com/viking/museum/bt/bt.htm

This is from the Bayeux Tapestry, which dates back to about 1070.  The
image is fairly small, but it looks like 2 of the vikings are in
black, or a dark enough green that it would make no difference.  I
hope that helps!  Good luck
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:18 PM, S H <ilovdalone@...> wrote:
> Well Nat. black wool I would think would be available, and there were as
> I understand black dyes- but they were expansive. Late era might
> have Puritanical or Judaic overtones. Maybe I don't have dates on hand.
> errr I'm just a lurker on this list and Not really SCA sadly (thought I was
> for a year) so take this with a grain of salt.
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:58 PM, shelbystein <shelbystein@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if people wore black? Did warriors wear black leather, or
>> is that just in the movies?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "There are women I've been who you haven't seen yet
> There are women I shall be who you've never met
> As to who I am now if you're prompted to ask
> I'm the ghost of my future and the sum of my past"-Talis Kimberley:Small
> Mended Corners
>
>
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Good afternoon,

I'd like to make some garb for myself and my husband.  It's been a LONG time
since I have sewed and I am not that good at it.  There seems to be LOTS of SCA
garb information on the internet - so much so that I'm a little overwhelmed.

Could you recommend a basic, simple site or pattern (I'm willing to purchase
one) that will walk me through putting together simple garb for myself and my
husband?  I'm thinking a chemise and a viking apron for me and a t-tunic for him
(??) but am open to suggestions.

Keep in mind that I'm a terrified beginner!!! :-)  I need something simple and
preferably quick.

Thanks so much!

Good Eve to all,

my name is David N Yanolatos, and I am new to the SCA. I am looking into both
pre 17th century Japan and Ireland for my SCA background. I was wondering if
anyone can point me in the right direction for my research

David

I too am new to sewing and the viking is really easy!
There are lots of commercial patterns for chemises -- Burda patterns are useful
but you need to lengthen them. When you make them according to the directions
they're about 5-6 inches short, since they are supposed to nearly cover your
feet. It's Burda 7977, which is a combo chemise (underdress) and (overdress)
sideless. I bought the "plus" size, since I am 2-3x, and it fits well.  I also
bought Burda 7468 which can be used as gown or chemise.  A friend gave me a
homemade pattern for the viking. It's 4 pieces - back, front, 2 sides. That is
the easiest way to do it, because most viking patterns make you look pregnant,
no matter how you make them, because they are short and an overdress so they
have to be bigger.

I like the sideless better -- it's easy, no sleeves, 6 pieces (front = 2 sewn
together, back = 2 sewn together, then there's a gore on each side to attach
them to), or you can do front and back "cut on the fold", so the 2 pieces become
1 large each.  That way if you make 2-3 different color chemises, you can make
sideless's in lots of colors (and viking's too) and mix and match.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=490462044297483&set=t.100002530786312\
&type=3&theater
Here's a pic of me in one of the burda chemises and sideless I made (7977).
Notice in the pic how I have to lengthen the chemise as my feet are showing!

T tunics are supposedly easy, but I've never made one. I haven't made any male
garb, just stuff for myself.

Hope this helps!
Angela
invertedarcher@...



-----Original Message-----
From: annonymousey <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: scanewcomers <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 10:24 pm
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] beginner garb





Good afternoon,

I'd like to make some garb for myself and my husband.  It's been a LONG time
since I have sewed and I am not that good at it.  There seems to be LOTS of SCA
garb information on the internet - so much so that I'm a little overwhelmed.

Could you recommend a basic, simple site or pattern (I'm willing to purchase
one) that will walk me through putting together simple garb for myself and my
husband?  I'm thinking a chemise and a viking apron for me and a t-tunic for him
(??) but am open to suggestions.

Keep in mind that I'm a terrified beginner!!! :-)  I need something simple and
preferably quick.

Thanks so much!









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Respected friend:

--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, "shelbystein"  wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if people wore black?  Did warriors wear black leather, or is
that just in the movies?
>
It depends on what you call black. Brown-black was easy, common and cheap; black
sheep are brown-black, and any form of tannin (such as acorns) combined with any
source of iron (such as old armor scraps) produces brown-black. Thus,
brown-black was the last attempt to dye hopelessly stained cloth back to
something quasi-respectable and was associated with poverty. Blue-black is
harder, and true black really requires dyes that were fabulously expensive till
the Renaissance.
So a warrior could easily have brown-black but wouldn't want to; it would make
him look poor. Blue-black varied in availability and popularity, but generally
wasn't widely available. True black was for the rich and the Renaissance.

Lady Eleanor Ravenild,

I have come up with the idea of a monthly meeting (or weekly) either meeting at
Grey Gargoyles Sunday Fighter practice (Approval pending) or if you know of a
location that is more central to Downtown Chicago area

I would like those that might either would like to teach/learn.  I am still very
much a newbie in this area myself.

Feedback? Ideas?

The basic T tunic really is indeed an easy start.  I do like pairing it with
something over it, like the Viking apron or a surcoat, though you'll need a
basic tunic to go under them. (I really need to make my first sideless. Those
are great "toppers" for your tunic too. ;) These tunics are pretty universal
through the ages and suit most any persona or time so it's a great start. You'll
eventually be glad to have a few things so having a few tunics around can be
super handy.

I can at least offer a few tidbits on those. Also, actually.... if you go over
to http://www.sca.org/officers/chatelain/newcomers.html
and roll down to What To Wear. Look at the Introduction to Garb page.
I like the "The Quicker Method -- with wide modern fabric" method - if you can
find a comfy t-shirt that fits loosely, you can use it as a guide to make your
first tunic! (After that, you can use a tunic that fits well as your template
for as many as you want!). Just trace around it, leaving room for your seam
allowance.  Remember, it's better to be a bit loose than it is tight. One method
I used was to trace around the tunic or shirt (heh, actually, a nightgown was my
first) with dressmaker's chalk, and that was my line to sew on. You cut out the
front and the back pieces and stitch them together.  Hem up your bottom hem,
sleeves, and if you like, you can just add some bias tape around the neckline
for a super easy finish off!

As I was making a pair of these this past weekend, I made some photos to add to
a blog post but I didn't get a chance to write it down yet, only have the
fighter's tunic in there so far. I will get those posted later in case the
construction visual might be useful, though.
http://aranwen-ridhelic.blogspot.com

Does anyone in your group have a copy of The Known World Handbook you could
borrow?  It has a lot of stuff in it, too, including patterns!


~Lady Aranwen of Willow Ford
Chatelaine for the Barony of Iron Mountain
Kingdom of Meridies


--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Angela  wrote:
>
>
> I too am new to sewing and the viking is really easy!
> There are lots of commercial patterns for chemises -- Burda patterns are
useful but you need to lengthen them. When you make them according to the
directions they're about 5-6 inches short, since they are supposed to nearly
cover your feet. It's Burda 7977, which is a combo chemise (underdress) and
(overdress) sideless. I bought the "plus" size, since I am 2-3x, and it fits
well.  I also bought Burda 7468 which can be used as gown or chemise.  A friend
gave me a homemade pattern for the viking. It's 4 pieces - back, front, 2 sides.
That is the easiest way to do it, because most viking patterns make you look
pregnant, no matter how you make them, because they are short and an overdress
so they have to be bigger.
>
> I like the sideless better -- it's easy, no sleeves, 6 pieces (front = 2 sewn
together, back = 2 sewn together, then there's a gore on each side to attach
them to), or you can do front and back "cut on the fold", so the 2 pieces become
1 large each.  That way if you make 2-3 different color chemises, you can make
sideless's in lots of colors (and viking's too) and mix and match.
>
>
https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=490462044297483&set=t.100002530786312\
&type=3&theater
> Here's a pic of me in one of the burda chemises and sideless I made (7977).
Notice in the pic how I have to lengthen the chemise as my feet are showing!
>
> T tunics are supposedly easy, but I've never made one. I haven't made any male
garb, just stuff for myself.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Angela
> invertedarcher@...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: annonymousey
> To: scanewcomers
> Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 10:24 pm
> Subject: [SCA Newcomers] beginner garb
>
>
>
>
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I'd like to make some garb for myself and my husband.  It's been a LONG time
since I have sewed and I am not that good at it.  There seems to be LOTS of SCA
garb information on the internet - so much so that I'm a little overwhelmed.
>
> Could you recommend a basic, simple site or pattern (I'm willing to purchase
one) that will walk me through putting together simple garb for myself and my
husband?  I'm thinking a chemise and a viking apron for me and a t-tunic for him
(??) but am open to suggestions.
>
> Keep in mind that I'm a terrified beginner!!! :-)  I need something simple and
preferably quick.
>
> Thanks so much!
>

>

Though maybe some other readers here have more specifics to offer...
I did a little Google searching around to see what I could come up with, and
"sca irish persona" did indeed yield some goodies :)

Keep in mind of course this isn't an "sca" link, but rather, that of a member.
Some nice links for reading material, and if any old ones won't come up, try
putting them in at archive.org to view the cached content... (this happens a LOT
with old pages with links. The site is still online but the links are dead ones)
http://www.angelfire.com/zine/kiarapanther/garb/irish.html

This one has some pretty good thoughts I think, on the Japanese idea.
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/miscellany/sca.html

Just a few thoughts to help get ideas started.
I guess my answer for direction is... looking to others who have done those
areas before. :)

~aranwen's tiny 2 cents' worth


--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, "The Hawk"  wrote:
>
> Good Eve to all,
>
> my name is David N Yanolatos, and I am new to the SCA. I am looking into both
pre 17th century Japan and Ireland for my SCA background. I was wondering if
anyone can point me in the right direction for my research
>
> David
>

Heck yeah it is.  You can be a Bard!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA_BARDS/

You might look for a group local to your kingdom as well.  For example, my
kingdom of Meridies has a bardic community within the Minstrels guild.
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/minstrel.html



--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Shelby Stein  wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the cool links!  I'll definitely follow up on them.   Also,
I'm a writer/bard in medieval epic poetry.  Is that a profession in the SCA?
>  
>
>

On 2/3/2013 5:42 PM, annonymousey wrote:
> Good afternoon,
>
> I'd like to make some garb for myself and my husband.  It's been a LONG time
since I have sewed and I am not that good at it.  There seems to be LOTS of SCA
garb information on the internet - so much so that I'm a little overwhelmed.
>
> Could you recommend a basic, simple site or pattern (I'm willing to purchase
one) that will walk me through putting together simple garb for myself and my
husband?  I'm thinking a chemise and a viking apron for me and a t-tunic for him
(??) but am open to suggestions.
>

Keep in mind that a chemise is "body linen" -- i.e., you slip -- it's
not somthing that's going to show.  *IF* you wanted to have all the
layers, you'd have a chemise, then a tunic or gown and *then* the Viking
Apron.

Viking is super easy to make, and looks very good.  If you've got a tape
measure and a straight-edge, you can do Viking!  :-)  Here's my
handy-dandy quick guide to Viking (mostly links to other places!  It's
easier than sending you my bookmark file!  :-)

Holler if you need additional help!

Jerusha
--
Susan B. Farmer
sfarmer@...
Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College
College of Science and Math
http://www.abac.edu/sfarmer
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium