Amina,

It looks as those you reside in or near the Barony of Jaravellir, in the
Kingdom of Northshield.  The Barony's web site at
http://www.jararvellir.org/ has information for newcomers such as yourself,
and a schedule of regular activities and special events.  I also see that
on their Links page, they have a mailing list available for interested
parties.

Yours in Service,
Dragos Pelikanos
"Let there be music!  Let there be dancing!"

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:10 AM, sprucepath@...
<sprucepath@...>wrote:

> Madison wisconsin
> >>
> >>
> >> When and where do you gather for practice here in madison....i hope to
> be
> >> able to meet everyone and join in the fun....ty
> >>
>


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Everyone's given you really good advice so far, but I thought you might want to
hear the perspective of someone who has SPD. :)

I would imagine that it probably helps that I spend most of the louder events
wearing a large metal hat stuffed with foam...helmets tend to block out sound.
Which makes it difficult enough to understand what people are saying even if you
don't have issues filtering sounds through your brain. I think it also has
probably helped that as a fighter, I had to get used to the sound of my helm
getting hit, which can be very loud, and which I still tend to overprocess if I
don't see it coming; nevertheless, you learn to anticipate things (like loud
sounds), which, for me at least, makes all the difference in the world.

SCA events are loud, but the ones without tournaments going on aren't so bad at
all. There are Academy sorts of events in which the Great Hall may be loud-ish,
but you can go to a nice, quiet classroom whenever you want and learn about
something fascinating that goes on in the SCA. As for tournament events, I'm not
sure how I'd be able to deal with them if I weren't fighting. The outside ones
are usually better because you don't get the sounds echoing through a giant
hall, and often there will be an indoor part of the event for classes or
merchants or the feast that you can sit in if it gets too loud outside. But I
think it helps me knowing what's going on and being interested in watching
because the sounds mean something specific and I can see where they're coming
from. I'm not sure how old your son is, but if you think he'd be up to it, you
might see if he wants to try youth fighting.

Let's see, what have I forgotten?.... Court is interesting but can get boring if
it goes on too long or if you don't know anyone getting awards, so people tend
to start getting fidgety as time goes on, which can be really distracting
visually and aurally. Often, though, there will be a few people who aren't at
court, or who are moving in and out making the feast or whatever, and you'd be
fine to step out for a bit if it got to be too much. Feasts are loud; I'm not
sure how universal this is for SPD, but I at least tend to be able to tune out
loud noises when they are coming from everywhere because they just sort of mush
into really loud white noise. The problems I run into at feasts are not being
able to hear the people across the table over said white noise (which I think is
just a problem generally) and sitting next to someone who eats loudly. Since the
general noise tends to drown out most things, you pretty much only hear the
people next to you, so if the way they eat doesn't bother you, you're mostly
fine. And feasts are pretty relaxed, so you can definitely step outside if you
need a break, and there won't really be much of anyone wandering around
elsewhere making noise.

I hope that helps! Let me know if you have any more questions :)

Alana

--
Alana Goodewyn
Gules, a lion rampant contourny within an orle Or within a bordure sable.
(tentative)

AD GLORIAM AETHELMEARC!

This aspect of this discussion may be off-topic, but since Nikki brought it up
and I am a doctor, I feel obliged to reply.
In the old days, a priest, whether druid or Christian, had to spend some of
the best years of their lives in study, deprivation and isolation while others
their age were freer to work, party, etc.
At the end of their training these professionals earned the right to serve their
community. Little more than the respect of a title came with this privelege and
rsponsibility.
In the case of royalty, princes and future queens were raised from infancy by
specialists to learn how to exercise leadership. 
As an Irishman, I am not defending the divine rights of kings, but still... no
one could go up to King James and say, "Wassup, Jimmy?!"
In my case, after high school it was twelve more years of training, which
included three years of working 110 hours a week, making life and death
decisions in the middle of the night amidst sudden fear, chaos and blood.
Calling me "Doc" or "Doctor" acknowledges what I've earned, and also preserves
that very delicate balance between intimacy and professional distance that
allows patients to confide secrets hat they can't tell anyone else, knowing that
a doctor is expected to use the knowledge of that secret discretely and in the
patient's best interests, according to the doctor's best knowledge, skill and
insights. Medicine is supposed to be a calling rather than a racket, and as long
as the doctor honors that role, patients should too.
Tom Hickey MD


________________________________
  From: Nikki <sidhemaiden@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Another question then - re: Title Usage



 

THIS! And people don't understand why I get irritated as all get out
when a doctor introduces themselves as Dr. So-and-So. All I want to say
in return is "Oh, is Dr. listed as your first name on your birth
certificate?"

Éva

On 4/4/2012 6:50 PM, Laurie Taylor wrote:
>
> Greetings once more,
>
> And yes, I did read the article on Correct Title Usage, which brought to
> mind a question that I've had floating for quite some time.
>
> Since you referenced modern title usage in the article, I'll begin
> with the
> modern inspiration for this question. Many years ago, in an etiquette
> book, I read about proper ways to address people, always useful, and also
> proper ways to introduce one's self. My memory on this is fuzzy, but I
> recall that is was considered inappropriate for one to introduce one's
> self
> by a title, even as simple a title as Mr. or Mrs. So, I would not
> introduce
> my mundane self as Mrs. Laurie Taylor, but just as Laurie Taylor.
>
> Oh how I wish I could find that book and confirm my memory of this stuff!
>
> But on the SCA side of things, if one has any sort of title at all,
> does one
> use it when introducing one's self to another? Or is it like the mundane
> book o'manners, wherein one is told NOT to do that?
>
> Do I introduce myself as Gelleia de Horslaporte? Or as Lady Gelleia de
> Horslaporte? I can introduce other people, but seldom seem to need to do
> so. No clue on introducing myself, and that's the one that I seem to need
> all the time!
>
> YIS
>
> Gelleia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:scanewcomers%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:scanewcomers%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Ian Green
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 2:33 PM
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:scanewcomers%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Favors
>
> They are favors or tokens or badges.
>
> For my understanding of favors and tokens:
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/ianthegreen01/home/for-sca-newcomers/favorsand
> tokens
>
> Badges can be used as a favor or token yes, but often they are for
> something else.
>
> Badges generally denote that you belong to a household or an office.
>
> The badge for the office of the Chatelain(e) (its french only females get
> the "e" on the end,) for example is the seneschal key dropped hanging down
> on a green background. that is the BADGE OF OFFICE for the Chatelain(e).
> Some people might put them on the belt fabric. I wore mine on a necklace.
>
> Ian the Green__
>

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On 5 Apr 2012, at 1:16 PM, Tom Hickey wrote:

> In the old days, a priest, whether druid or Christian, had to spend some of
the best years of their lives in study, deprivation and isolation while others
their age were freer to work, party, etc.
> At the end of their training these professionals earned the right to serve
their community. Little more than the respect of a title came with this
privelege and responsibility…[snip] In my case, after high school it was twelve
more years of training, which included three years of working 110 hours a week,
making life and death decisions in the middle of the night amidst sudden fear,
chaos and blood. Calling me "Doc" or "Doctor" acknowledges what I've earned…

More importantly, calling someone Doctor means (or, rather, SHOULD mean, but
doesn't always because of PhD holders) that if there is a medical emergency,
someone can run to that person for help. Calling someone Doctor means that
others are reminded of that person as a resource, and if that doctor is the only
one who knows that he/she is a doctor, then he/she will have to be the one to
make that clear during introductions.
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D'vorah bint Da'ud
Middle Kingdom, Midlands, Ayreton, Tree-Girt-Sea (Chicago, IL)
dvorah@...
http://www.consensualreality.net/sca
Twitter: @DvorahSCA
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Actor: "Is there a doctor in the house?"

Patron: "I'm a doctor!"

Actor: "Hey Doc. Enjoying the show?"


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Good one (and I welcome bit of levity after my blow-up!)



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  From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Another question then - re: Title Usage



 

Actor: "Is there a doctor in the house?"

Patron: "I'm a doctor!"

Actor: "Hey Doc. Enjoying the show?"

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Good point!



________________________________
  From: D'vorah bint Da'ud <dvorah@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Another question then - re: Title Usage


On 5 Apr 2012, at 1:16 PM, Tom Hickey wrote:

> In the old days, a priest, whether druid or Christian, had to spend some of
the best years of their lives in study, deprivation and isolation while others
their age were freer to work, party, etc.
> At the end of their training these professionals earned the right to serve
their community. Little more than the respect of a title came with this
privelege and responsibility…[snip] In my case, after high school it was
twelve more years of training, which included three years of working 110 hours a
week, making life and death decisions in the middle of the night amidst sudden
fear, chaos and blood. Calling me "Doc" or "Doctor" acknowledges what I've
earned…

More importantly, calling someone Doctor means (or, rather, SHOULD mean, but
doesn't always because of PhD holders) that if there is a medical emergency,
someone can run to that person for help. Calling someone Doctor means that
others are reminded of that person as a resource, and if that doctor is the only
one who knows that he/she is a doctor, then he/she will have to be the one to
make that clear during introductions.
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D'vorah bint Da'ud
Middle Kingdom, Midlands, Ayreton, Tree-Girt-Sea (Chicago, IL)
dvorah@...
http://www.consensualreality.net/sca
Twitter: @DvorahSCA
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Wednesdays around 6pm.  Both Heavy and rapier as well as Archery and
sometimes thrown weapons.

Sundays around 2pm I believe but check the websites you have been given
already.  Sundays always have archery and if folks have talked ahead of
time will have rapier and/or heavy fighting as well, though less people
attend the Sunday practice for heavy and rapier.  Also thrown weapons is
more likely to happen on Sundays than on Wednesdays.

The Jararvellir (pronounced Yara VET lur) has one of the best arts martial
practices in Northshield or did when I lived there 2.5 years ago.

Practices happen at the University of Wisconsin's Stock Pavillion.  Once
you've been there, it is easy to get to.  However your first time there, I
suggest you use overhead map views.  Going down University EAST there is a
very easy exit to the right to get there.  That exist isn't possible if you
are headed WEST.  WEST you turn left at the light and use some university
campus roads.

Always be careful of undergrads. They don't seem to pay much attention to
cars. And the campus is full of bicyclists as well so keep an eye out for
them.

The Chatelaine for the Barony is really nice and can help you out as well.

Ian the Green

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:10 AM, sprucepath@...
<sprucepath@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Madison wisconsin
> Sent from my LG phone
>
>
> Ian Green <ianthegreen01@...> wrote:
>
> >Which Madison?
> >
> >On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM, amina <sprucepath@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **
>
> >>
> >>
> >> When and where do you gather for practice here in madison....i hope to
> be
> >> able to meet everyone and join in the fun....ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Yours In Service,
> >
> >Lord Ian the Green
> >
> >http://sites.google.com/site/ianthegreen01/
> >
> >Ian's Flickr account <http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianthegreen/>
> >
> >
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> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



--
Yours In Service,

Lord Ian the Green

http://sites.google.com/site/ianthegreen01/

Ian's Flickr account <http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianthegreen/>


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Thought you were fine, Tom.

Valid points.

Liam


On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Tom Hickey <thickeymd@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Good one (and I welcome bit of levity after my blow-up!)
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam@...>
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:47 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Another question then - re: Title Usage
>
>
>
>
> Actor: "Is there a doctor in the house?"
>
> Patron: "I'm a doctor!"
>
> Actor: "Hey Doc. Enjoying the show?"
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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My wife has her Ph.D. and she too has earned the right to be called Doctor.

In fact on formal invitations and introductions my wife's name goes first
because she has the higher title as she has most certainly earned it.  It
is not Mr and Mrs the Green.  It is Mrs Jane Doe and Mr the Green.  If
truly formal it is Dr Jane Doe and Mr Ian the Green.

I'm pretty sure that not everyone goes around calling the MD doc or doctor.
  If in a medical setting they sure do and they darn well better, that title
has been earned.  Just like my wife doesn't get introduced as Dr Jane Doe
in every situation.

Friends hanging out at a restaurant having fun and someone stops by that
doesn't know everyone, you don't introduce the MD or the Ph.D. as Doctor
anything.  It's, "Hey, this is my friend John Doe."  At a conference my
wife gets introduced as "Dr. Jane Doe."  In the Hospital the MD gets
introduced or introduces themself as Dr. John Doe.

I certainly wouldn't introduce my wife in a first aid situation as Doctor
as that would give people the wrong impression.  In fact she's not even 1st
aid or CPR qualified at the moment.

As it was said earlier.  Usage of title depends entirely on the social
construct and situation.  I had the honor of serving Her Majesty of the
Midrealm by being one of the retainers on site. When my shift ended I
happened to know the person who was replacing me.  I introduced my
replacement to Her Majesty:

"You're Majesty, it is my pleasure to have the honor to introduce you to
Lady Jane Doe who recently moved to this Kingdom from Far Far Away where
she was a protocol herald and was the Kingdom Chatelaine there for a term."

This worked well.  Her Majesty was well introduced, knew some quick
information about the lady and what title she had.

I had introduced this same lady to friends at the event earlier as, "This
is Jane Doe.  She's recently came here from Far Far Away where she was
pretty active.  I met her at scribal practice night and like most scadians
likes a lot of activities."

For me, when I introduce myself in person, I generally just say, "Hi, I'm
Ian. Ian the (pointing to my garb,) Green."  And that covers it pretty
well.  They at least remember the color and that cues them to the name.

Yours in Service,

Ian

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Tom Hickey <thickeymd@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Good point!
>
> ________________________________
> From: D'vorah bint Da'ud <dvorah@...>
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:21 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Another question then - re: Title Usage
>
>
> On 5 Apr 2012, at 1:16 PM, Tom Hickey wrote:
>
> > In the old days, a priest, whether druid or Christian, had to spend some
> of the best years of their lives in study, deprivation and isolation while
> others their age were freer to work, party, etc.
> > At the end of their training these professionals earned the right to
> serve their community. Little more than the respect of a title came with
> this privelege and responsibility…[snip] In my case, after high school it
> was twelve more years of training, which included three years of working
> 110 hours a week, making life and death decisions in the middle of the
> night amidst sudden fear, chaos and blood. Calling me "Doc" or "Doctor"
> acknowledges what I've earned…
>
> More importantly, calling someone Doctor means (or, rather, SHOULD mean,
> but doesn't always because of PhD holders) that if there is a medical
> emergency, someone can run to that person for help. Calling someone Doctor
> means that others are reminded of that person as a resource, and if that
> doctor is the only one who knows that he/she is a doctor, then he/she will
> have to be the one to make that clear during introductions.
>
>
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> D'vorah bint Da'ud
> Middle Kingdom, Midlands, Ayreton, Tree-Girt-Sea (Chicago, IL)
> dvorah@...
> http://www.consensualreality.net/sca
> Twitter: @DvorahSCA
>
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>
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--
Yours In Service,

Lord Ian the Green

http://sites.google.com/site/ianthegreen01/

Ian's Flickr account <http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianthegreen/>


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I usually use, "Hi, I'm Liam. I'm harmless."

Works, unless I have friends around, who snicker. ;)

Liam
I am a peer, and I am here to help you ;)


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Why do people need reassuring?
Do you look like Harry Potter's friend Hagred with his crossbow? :)


________________________________
  From: Bill Toscano <liamstliam@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Another question then - re: Title Usage



 

I usually use, "Hi, I'm Liam. I'm harmless."

Works, unless I have friends around, who snicker. ;)

Liam
I am a peer, and I am here to help you ;)

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Thank-you kind fellow...i will search at once.....
Sent from my LG phone

Chuck Burke <cjburke@...> wrote:

>Amina,
>
>It looks as those you reside in or near the Barony of Jaravellir, in the
>Kingdom of Northshield.  The Barony's web site at
>http://www.jararvellir.org/ has information for newcomers such as yourself,
>and a schedule of regular activities and special events.  I also see that
>on their Links page, they have a mailing list available for interested
>parties.
>
>Yours in Service,
>Dragos Pelikanos
>"Let there be music!  Let there be dancing!"
>
>On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:10 AM, sprucepath@...
><sprucepath@...>wrote:
>
>> Madison wisconsin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When and where do you gather for practice here in madison....i hope to
>> be
>> >> able to meet everyone and join in the fun....ty
>> >>
>>
>
>
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Anyone in the SCA who tells you that they are harmless...

Shoot them first!  :-P

Generally speaking of course.

(What was that about the pretty redheaded royalty Liam?)  :-)

Ian the "probably going to pay for that," Green


On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Bill Toscano <liamstliam@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I usually use, "Hi, I'm Liam. I'm harmless."
>
> Works, unless I have friends around, who snicker. ;)
>
> Liam
> I am a peer, and I am here to help you ;)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Yours In Service,

Lord Ian the Green

http://sites.google.com/site/ianthegreen01/

Ian's Flickr account <http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianthegreen/>


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Thank you to everyone who has helped me out with comments!  I will certainly ask
if my local site allows dogs at events.  I hope they do because I think it would
only add to the fun. Again, Thanks to all.

--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, "Prudentia" <iq180andstillatrollop@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I was just at an event where the little dogs were inside and the big dogs left
out in the cars but we big dog owners went out and regularly walked, fed,
watered and socialized with our big dogs. I have never seen dogs running around
free and without supervision the way the kids are at SCA events. Hope this
helps.
>

Ian the Green mentioned:
<<< The Jararvellir (pronounced Yara VET lur) has one of the best arts
martial
practices in Northshield or did when I lived there 2.5 years ago.>>>

That's an interesting group name. However, I did a search on it in the
Florilegium and while I have a number of entries that mention the
group, none that explain the name.

Do you know, or can you find out, the origins of the name and what it
means if anything? Many SCA groups also have interesting heraldry that
goes along with the name or their origins.

I have, and try to continue to collect, this kind of info in a series
of Florilegium files which can be found in the SCA-STORIES section:
placenames-msg   (110K) 10/ 4/00  Origins and meanings of SCA
placenames. Pt. 1
http://www.florilegium.org/files/STORIES/placenames-msg.html

placenames2-msg  (106K)  8/11/10  Origins and meanings of SCA
placenames. Pt. 2
http://www.florilegium.org/files/STORIES/placenames2-msg.html

placenames3-msg   (40K)  8/ 6/11  Origins and meanings of SCA
placenames. Pt. 3
http://www.florilegium.org/files/STORIES/placenames3-msg.html

If you, or anyone else knows the history behind this, or other groups
not mentioned in these files, please email me with info so I can add it.

Also, feel free to forward this request to other people or SCA lists.

Thanks,
    Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Ian the Green said:
<<< For me, when I introduce myself in person, I generally just say,
"Hi, I'm
Ian. Ian the (pointing to my garb,) Green."  And that covers it pretty
well.  They at least remember the color and that cues them to the
name.>>>

Do you pretty much wear green all the time?

I was thinking that you might be interested in this Florilegium
article I saved a long time ago.
In the TEXTILE ARTS section:
green-art          (9K)  6/15/91  The dyeing and history of Lincoln
Green.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/green-art.html

Stefan

--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

There is no upper body garb that I own that is devoid of green color at
this time.

Besides being a Calligrapher and ink maker I also do rapier fencing as you
may recall.  Here in the Middle Kingdom a kind Lord has set up a website by
which we may identify fencers one to another.

http://michiganleftturn.org/Fencer_ID.htm

At this point, Green is a bit of a fun schtick for me.

Thank you for the link to the article.

Ian the Green

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Stefan li Rous
<stefanlirous@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Ian the Green said:
> <<< For me, when I introduce myself in person, I generally just say,
> "Hi, I'm
> Ian. Ian the (pointing to my garb,) Green." And that covers it pretty
> well. They at least remember the color and that cues them to the
> name.>>>
>
> Do you pretty much wear green all the time?
>
> I was thinking that you might be interested in this Florilegium
> article I saved a long time ago.
> In the TEXTILE ARTS section:
> green-art (9K) 6/15/91 The dyeing and history of Lincoln
> Green.
> http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/green-art.html
>
> Stefan
>
> --------
> THLord Stefan li Rous Barony of Bryn Gwlad Kingdom of Ansteorra
> Mark S. Harris Austin, Texas StefanliRous@...
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
> **** See Stefan's Florilegium files at: http://www.florilegium.org ****
>
>
>



--
Yours In Service,

Lord Ian the Green

http://sites.google.com/site/ianthegreen01/

Ian's Flickr account <http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianthegreen/>


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Greetings to the Gentlefolk of the SCA,

Here is a copy of my Florilegium article for April detailing what is
new in the Florilegium this month.

I am always looking for good articles for the Florilegium. If you have
researched something in our period or you practice a little known art
or craft, writing an article is an excellent way to introduce others
to the work you've done. I'm especially interested in academic papers
written for A&S contests because, unfortunately, few have time at such
an event to read them. Even the judges. Getting them published in the
Florilegium lets your hard word benefit the entire Known World.  Word
format is the easiest for me to handle, but others are possible.

If you, your household or your local group run a website, please
consider adding a link there to the Florilegium. Not only does this
help people who might be interested in what the Florilegium offers
find the site, but it raises the site in the Google ratings and thus
might bring in more ad money to keep the site going.

Thanks,
Stefan
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A Blending of the Past and Present

Over the past twenty-two years in an ongoing effort, I have been
collecting bits of useful information from various newsgroups, mail
lists and articles submitted to me by their authors. In order to make
this information available to others, I have placed this information
in a collection of files called Stefan's Florilegium.

The Florilegium is on the web at: http://www.florilegium.org

I am always interested in new articles. If you have written an article
that would be of interest to others in the SCA, please send it to me
for possible inclusion in the Florilegium. A&S documentation and class
handouts will also often work well. I am especially interested in
research papers submitted as A&S entries.

Advertisements on the site pay for its upkeep. If you enjoy the
Florilegium, please click on an ad or two whenever you are there.

      THLord Stefan li Rous   Ansteorra    stefan at florilegium.org

Here are the new files for this month:
In the ANIMALS section:
    British-Sheep-art   "A History of Sheep Breeds in Britain" by
                           Maistreas Siobhan nic Dhuinnshleibhe, OL
In the ACCESSORIES section:
    Simple-Wimple-art   "How to make a simple medieval wimple"
                           by Lady Wenyeva atte grene
In the CELEBRATIONS AND EVENTS section:
    AS-Fd-Entry-art     "Apple tart from Rumpolt - birth of an A&S
                           entry" by Catrin von Berlin.
In the FOOD-BOOKS section:
    Md-Cu-Islmc-Wd-msg  Reviews and comments on "Medieval Cuisine of
                           the Islamic World: A Concise History with
                           174 Recipes".
In the FOOD-VEGETABLES section:
    Smoked-Olives-art   "Smoked Olives" by Galefridus Peregrinus.
In the PLANYS, HERBS AND SPICES section:
    coriander-msg       Coriander user in period.
In the STRUCTURES section:
    Calon-pavilon-msg   History and comments about the Kingdom of
                           Calontir's purple pavilion.
In the TECHNOLOGY section:
    Korean-Kites-art    "There's a hole in my kite!" by Lord Archer
                           McRobert. Korean fighter kites.
    p-kites-msg         Period kites, Asian and European.
In the TEXTILE ARTS section:
    Intro-2-Wool-art    "An Introduction to Wool" by Maistreas Siobhan
                           nic Dhuinnshleibhe, OL

Here are the updated files for this month.
    breakfast-msg       What's for breakfast? SCA and period.
    Caid-hist-msg       Histories of the Kingdom of Caid.
    Calontir-hst-msg    Histories and stories of Kingdom of Calontir.
    campfood-msg        Non-refrig., period food for camping events.
    cl-Elzabethan-msg   Clothing of Elizabethan England.
    cl-Norse-msg        Clothing of the Norse. Viking clothing.
    clothing-MN-msg     Maternity and nursing garb.
    cloved-fruit-msg    Period cloved fruit. Origin of the SCA game.
    comfits-msg         Period candied spices and seeds. Recipes.
    cooking-oils-msg    Period cooking and food oils.
    fd-Poland-msg       Food of period Poland. References.
    fd-Sicily-msg       Food of medieval Sicily.
    paintg-panels-msg   Wood panels as a painting medium.
    Pennsic-water-msg   Dealing with the Pennsic drinking water.
    Scotland-msg        Scottish culture. Who lived where. Medieval
points of interest. The Orkney Islands.
    vinegar-msg         Vinegar in period. Making vinegar.
---
Copyright 2012, Mark S. Harris. Permission to reprint in SCA-related
publications is hereby granted if the file descriptions are left
unchanged. Removing any of the updated files listed in order to fit
the article into limited publication space is allowed.  The article
introduction may also be edited, provided the web address and contact
info are retained.

<end>
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
    Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Greetings, all!

I am planning an SCA 102 class for Pennsic. It'll be open to anyone, but
the focus is on newcomers who have some of the basics down and want to
learn more.

I am planning the class with the following assumptions:

You have been to at least one SCA event/meeting.

You know your kingdom and local group.

You have at least thought about a name if you don't have one yet.

You understand the idea of a persona.

You may be starting to develop interests.

You get the whole "Lord/Lady" thing and have a clue about awards.

Maybe you have been to court. At least, you know what court is.

You have at least one piece of garb.

With that in mind, the class would focus on things such as:

Awards

Peerages

Titles

Officer positions

"I want to do ___________. How do I find out about it?"

General structure of the SCA

General SCA geography/

*****

This is where you come in.

What am I missing. I have been around a bit, so I might forget what it's
like for folks six months or a year into the SCA.

Thanks,

Liam


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On 11 Apr 2012, at 10:56 AM, Bill Toscano wrote:

> With that in mind, the class would focus on things such as:
>
> Awards
> Peerages
> Titles
> Officer positions
> "I want to do ___________. How do I find out about it?"
> General structure of the SCA
> General SCA geography/

How to act in court
What to do if you get called up in court (including if you can't bow or kneel,
for any reason, but still want to show respect)
How to select a name, and how to register it when you're ready
Ditto for devices
Households: what they are, how to 'meet' some, how to make your interest known
How (and whether, and when) to settle on a particular time/place for a persona
Maybe a handout mentioning links to several of the more commonly used email
lists, like this one
How to ease your way into a more period appearance, encampment, et cetera
(inexpensively)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
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D'vorah bint Da'ud
Middle Kingdom, Midlands, Ayreton, Tree-Girt-Sea (Chicago, IL)
dvorah@...
http://www.consensualreality.net/sca
Twitter: @DvorahSCA
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Thank you,  D'vorah.

Liam


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You may have already seen me mention these particular files, but
perhaps not since new folks join all the time.

D'vorah, I'm not really trying to steal your questions, or Liam, to
take away from your class, but I thought some here might be interested
in these files in the Florilegium.
<<< How to act in court
What to do if you get called up in court (including if you can't bow
or kneel, for any reason, but still want to show respect) >>>

The first seems to get forgotten by a lot of people, including a lot
of Peers who stand at the back of Court and chatter. The second seems
to be unknown to a lot of experienced folks and caused quite a bit of
discussion when I've seen it come up.
How-to-Behave-art (12K)  6/10/01  "How to Behave in these Current
Middle Ages"
                                       by Lady Meliora Leuedai de
Ardescote.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/How-to-Behave-art.html

SCA-courts-nc-msg (21K)  5/30/01  Comments and about SCA Courts for
newcomers.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/SCA-courts-nc-msg.html

Courts-knelng-msg (20K)  1/29/09  Kneeling when called into an SCA
Court.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/SCA-INC/Courts-knelng-msg.html

<<< How to select a name, and how to register it when you're ready
Ditto for devices >>>
Choose-a-Name-art (12K) 10/ 3/09  "Choosing a Society Name: Hints for
Newcomers"
                                       by Dietmar Reinhart von
Straubing and
                                       Malachias von Morgenstern.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/Choose-a-Name-art.html

I don't think I have a good article on how to choose a device, or on
what makes a good device. Anyone know of one, or want to write me one?

<<< Households: what they are, how to 'meet' some, how to make your
interest known >>>
SCA-Housholds-art (10K)  8/31/09  "Introduction to SCA Households" by
Maistor
                                       Justinos Tekton called Justin.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/SCA-Housholds-art.html

<<< How (and whether, and when) to settle on a particular time/place
for a persona >>>
I've got a number of such articles, but perhaps this is a good one to
start with:
Persona-f-Beg-art (12K)  1/13/02  "Creating Your SCA Persona for
Beginners" by Lady Lucia Borromeo.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAS/Persona-f-Beg-art.html

Of course, I'm always looking for more good articles, for beginners as
well as the more experienced.

Stefan

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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

I am forwarding this from the Atlantia list because I think it is an
excellent opportunity for someone who might wish to test their toes in
the water of SCA merchanting. I don't think I've met Henry Best in
person, but I've seen his postings on the SCA lists for many years.

Stefan
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:22:14 -0400
From: "Henry Best" <henry@...>
To: <atlantia@...>
Subject: [MR] Artists: a Chance to Merchant at Pennsic

If you are an SCA artist and would like a painless and supportive way
to try
merchanting your art at Pennsic this summer, read on!

Greetings, O SCAdian, however this message reaches you, from Dr Henry
Best.
If you regularly attend Pennsic, you might know of me from my daily
advice
column in the Pennsic Independent, "Ask Doctor Best".

The past three Pennsics, I've told fortunes in the back of Sunbaked
Studios,
Mistress Nonna's Pottery Studio. It's been a great partnership, but
Nonna is
retiring from active merchanting, and I am stepping up as the new
manager of
the booth, now renamed to Starlit Studios.

We will be offering some exciting products: consulting divinations
using a
wide range of period oracular techniques, from astrology to cards, from
palms to i Ching, we will be using any period system we can find and
document which doesn't involve disemboweling animals or nice people.  We
will be performing magic shows in the street and generally having, and
sharing, a jolly time.

Now, this project is, at its heart, more a large scale Arts and Sciences
experiment than a money making venture. Our customers are a critical
part of
our research into these arts and their nominal payments are part of the
experiment.  And what I'm discovering, as I step up to run the booth, is
that, what with booth registration, liability insurance, tent rental,
etc,
merchanting at Pennsic is hideously expensive, far beyond anything I can
reasonably expect to make back telling fortunes. In short, if I don't
change
my business model, I will go broke in one year and be forced to shut
my arts
project down.

And so, to keep my project alive, I am offering retail space in my
booth, on
a year to year basis.  My vision is that, as I run a personal consulting
service in back, my front waiting room will be filled with incredible
art
created by our fellow SCAdians, and the art will be for sale. If you
are an
SCA artisan, and you've ever considered merchanting at Pennsic, for a
market
of some 12,000 people, I am offering an open door to you, bypassing the
massive cash and administrative investment (and time spent on a near
infinite waiting list) that it would normally take for you to attempt
this.

I will share the actual financial numbers with serious querents, but
here I
will say that I hope to host six to eight artists, granting each one
space
for a 5 foot display table at a prime booth along Battle Road, next
door to
the food court.

These artists can participate under one of two plans:

1)      You pay a flat fee for your space, to help cover the booth's
expenses. You help your fellow merchants man the booth, serving as sales
clerk for everyone's art and as receptionist for the consulting
business.
With 6-8 artists, you'll probably only need to man the booth for two
days
out of the war.

2)      You pay a flat fee for your space, as above, but you don't
help man
the booth. In that case, you also contribute a percent of your
revenue. This
money goes into a kitty, and is split among those who DO man the booth
on
your behalf.

So there it is. For the right artists, this is a golden opportunity.
Because
we are sharing costs, this is an extremely painless way to put your
art up
for sale at the largest market in the SCA.

Please pass this message along however you wish, and especially
forward it
to those who make exquisite art, and really deserve a wider audience.
And
thank you for reading.

Dr Henry Best
Henry@...

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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

i am not a newcoer, far from it,(23  in years this may) but i still loose track
of how to find info. i know there is an sca knitters group on yahoo out there.
an anyone tell me if they have the way to get on it?

Bambi asked:
<<< i am not a newco[m]er, far from it,(23  in years this may) but i
still loose track of how to find info. i know there is an sca knitters
group on yahoo out there. an anyone tell me if they have the way to
get on it? >>>

I don't know the details of the group you are searching for, but
perhaps you, or others here, might be interested in some of the
Florilegium files I have on the subject. Personally, I was surprised
at how late in period true knitting developed. Hose was originally
made from cloth cut on a bias, and later it was knitted. I had
originally thought it was the other way around.

In the TEXTILE ARTS section:
knitting-lnks     (12K)  6/11/05  Links to info on medieval knitting
                                       by Dame Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/knitting-lnks.html

knitting-msg      (78K)  2/ 1/09  Period knitting.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/knitting-msg.html

p-knitting-bib     (9K)  9/20/99  Period knitting bibliography by Lady
Ingvild
Josefsdatter (Nancy Spies).
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/p-knitting-bib.html

Not knitting, but similar:
macrame-msg       (12K)  3/ 6/10  Period macrame. References.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/macrame-msg.html

crochet-FAQ        (7K)  9/23/01  "Crochet & It's Origins - FAQ" by lady
           Christian de Holacombe.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/crochet-FAQ.html

naalbinding-msg   (32K)  5/27/02  A Scandinavian needle art like
knitting.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/naalbinding-msg.html

sprang-msg        (16K)  7/19/10  A stretchy knitted fabric done on a
frame.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/sprang-msg.html

sprang-bib        (18K) 11/ 1/04  Annotated bibliography on the art of
sprang
                                       weaving by Medb ingen Dungaile.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/sprang-bib.html

sprang-chrono-art (12K)  1/21/07  A chronology of the art of sprang
weaving
                                       by Medb ingen Dungaile.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/sprang-chrono-art.html

In the CLOTHING section:
Knit-Stockngs-art (23K) 10/ 2/01  "Knittted Stockings" by Baroness
Rhiall of
                                       Wystanesdon (better known as
Wrynne).
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/Knit-Stockngs-art.html

knit-stockngs-msg (16K) 12/24/02  Period knit stockings.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/knit-stockngs-msg.html

Stefan

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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/marksharris
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Stephanie. I coul not pull up the article i question but  i would like o know
what you mean by relative ly late in etioc? Yes i will admit the Europeans such
as the English were not on the knitting bond wagon til the late 16th c and that
befor the naalbinding seems to have been primarily the way to active the look
but the Egyptiansand abdaluin Muslims have left evidence f veryadvanced knitting
in the 13th c. There is a 4ok in the textile museum of wash dc from i believe
the 15 c that is not only shaped but has very elaborate color change work in it
nd the work Allah in kufic script knitted in its cuff. There are also to well
preserved 13 c "funeral pillows" know only  knitted in one piece but in
intricate herald patterns fRom too different royal family iris of Spanish based
princes. One of them though very  obviously of Spanish herald , has Arabic
oligarchy knitted into is border  with the word >araka" which means blessing.
This was also  in the tiraz bands that northafricans, middle fasteners and
Muslim conquerors of al   andalus
decorated their clothing and explained things about it. The royalty of re
Christianity Spain still hired Muslim needle workers yo have items priced
because their needle work was worth it and a status symbol. Message-----
Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:37:34 pm
To: "SCA Newcomers list" <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
From: "Stefan li Rous" <stefanlirous@...>
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] re: knitting question

Bambi asked:
<<< i am not a newco[m]er, far from it,(23  in years this may) but i
still loose track of how to find info. i know there is an sca knitters
group on yahoo out there. an anyone tell me if they have the way to
get on it? >>>

I don't know the details of the group you are searching for, but
perhaps you, or others here, might be interested in some of the
Florilegium files I have on the subject. Personally, I was surprised
at how late in period true knitting developed. Hose was originally
made from cloth cut on a bias, and later it was knitted. I had
originally thought it was the other way around.

In the TEXTILE ARTS section:
knitting-lnks     (12K)  6/11/05  Links to info on medieval knitting
                                       by Dame Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/knitting-lnks.html

knitting-msg      (78K)  2/ 1/09  Period knitting.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/knitting-msg.html

p-knitting-bib     (9K)  9/20/9

I do not have the documentation on the pillows with Mr but will send it through
tomorrow  when i can et to the references
-----Original Message-----
Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:37:34 pm
To: "SCA Newcomers list" <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
From: "Stefan li Rous" <stefanlirous@...>
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] re: knitting question

Bambi asked:
<<< i am not a newco[m]er, far from it,(23  in years this may) but i
still loose track of how to find info. i know there is an sca knitters
group on yahoo out there. an anyone tell me if they have the way to
get on it? >>>

I don't know the details of the group you are searching for, but
perhaps you, or others here, might be interested in some of the
Florilegium files I have on the subject. Personally, I was surprised
at how late in period true knitting developed. Hose was originally
made from cloth cut on a bias, and later it was knitted. I had
originally thought it was the other way around.

In the TEXTILE ARTS section:
knitting-lnks     (12K)  6/11/05  Links to info on medieval knitting
                                       by Dame Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/knitting-lnks.html

knitting-msg      (78K)  2/ 1/09  Period knitting.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/knitting-msg.html

p-knitting-bib     (9K)  9/20/9

Sounds good, I can only add, that being a sort of newbie, I was, and still am,
looking for info on garb, style of course, but fabric more so.  What kind is
best to make different pieces, can it have a print or stripe, what colors are
"tabu". How can i be sure it is appropriate? My particular persona (I've been
playing for a yr and half) is early Irish, so there's no "painted" examples like
for much later.  I can't really tell from statues, so where do you go for that
kind of info?  That may be too detailed, or specific, for a 102 class. Has
anyone ever done a garb 101 class???? 
 
And since I can't go to Pennsic this year, can I get a copy of your handout,
unless you might do it at WOW?
 
Thanks, hope I helped a little at least. 
 
YIS,
Caissene


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Great questions! I am a costuming junkie, so I will jump in on this
question. For starting out, it is easiest to go with basics. If you ever
get into doing research yourself on your persona's culture, you may find
more information than you think.

Try to use linen and wool if you can (not everyone has the funds or a
source, but it was used more than cotton, and in more places and times than
cotton).

Linen was used for underclothing, veils, coifs, shifts, undershirts,
braies, etc. In the SCA we extend that to some of our outergarments as
well, because it is so comfortable in summer in the US, and has the right
'drape' for period clothing. Try http://fabrics-store.com/ , they have many
colors, the medium weight is good for most uses, and the 3.5oz or
lightweight is great for lightweight shifts.

Wool was used much of everything else, gowns, cloaks, stockings, hats, etc.
Wool flannel has a basic tabby weave that used throughout period, and is
available from many sources in a variety of colors. They did have a variety
of interesting weaves in period, but those can be hard to get today,
especially in a cost effective version. Try
http://www.bblackandsons.com/and look under the flannel section.

Silk was available to those who could afford it. And cotton was available
but was more expensive than silk, and harder to get.

There are a few books you might want to look into. One is titled Dress in
Ireland by Mairead Dunlevy, and also the Warp Weighted Loom by Marta
Hoffman, which will discuss fabrics that would have been available.

As to colors, you might want to choose colors that look like they could
have been gotten with a natural dye, florescents are, to my eye, a bit too
bright. Fabric that we would call tartan or plaid today were certainly
woven then, not in the current way of thinking that a certain pattern
belongs to a specific family. Jacquard weaves were not possible until there
significant innovations in looms and weaving around the 14th century. So
tabby or twill (which can have many variations) were the weaves available.

Good luck!

Alison Wodehalle


On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Kathy Fletcher
<kathyfletcher99@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Sounds good, I can only add, that being a sort of newbie, I was, and still
> am, looking for info on garb, style of course, but fabric more so.  What
> kind is best to make different pieces, can it have a print or stripe, what
> colors are "tabu". How can i be sure it is appropriate? My particular
> persona (I've been playing for a yr and half) is early Irish, so there's no
> "painted" examples like for much later.  I can't really tell from statues,
> so where do you go for that kind of info?  That may be too detailed, or
> specific, for a 102 class. Has anyone ever done a garb 101 class????
>
> And since I can't go to Pennsic this year, can I get a copy of your
> handout, unless you might do it at WOW?
>
> Thanks, hope I helped a little at least.
>
> YIS,
> Caissene
>
> ________________________________
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
~Alison


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