I don't think you EVER move out of newbi-hood  -- I've been involved for almost
18 years now and I still feel "new" sometimes

and every time you start a new craft -- you're a newbie

have fun - learn stuff

Mariassa

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sebhdann
   To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:33 AM
   Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] new to group and SCA


     Welcome Shellie and I hope your SCA experience is a wonderful part of your
   life.

   I think I'm out of newbie-hood now, having just past my 2 yr mark as a
   SCAdian. I still feel like a newbie though. But everyone has been
   welcoming, helpful and just the friendliest bunch of people I've ever
   associated with.

   Enjoy yourself!

   --
   Slán!

   Sebhdann ingen Cinaedha
   Shire of Wyewood, An Tir

   *mka Sue V.*

   Move Your Feet to a Marching Drum
   We'll win the war and pay the toll,
   We'll Fight as One in Heart and Soul
   --'*The March of Cambreadth*'--Heather Alexander

   On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:16 PM, mbuter30 <mbuter30@...> wrote:

   >
   >
   > Hi I was intruduced to SCA by my cousin and her boyfriend. I looked up some
   > groups and joind some. I am also new to the Oregon area so she is showing me
   > around :-)
   >
   > Thank you
   >
   > Shellie
   >
   >
   >

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Greetings all

I am new to SCA having attended my local group for the past 8 weeks and St
Crispins Day today.

I am now very much aware of how little I know and yet to learn.    Whilst my
local group have been extremely helpful I don't want to keep burdening them with
questions of who, what, where, when and how.

Many thanks
Lady Merwyn
aka Penny

On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 08:09 +0000, peneth4 wrote:
> I am now very much aware of how little I know and yet to learn.
> Whilst my local group have been extremely helpful I don't want to keep
> burdening them with questions of who, what, where, when and how.


Good morning, and welcome to the list!

Your local group won't mind the questions at all -- there are few things
SCA folk like to talk about more than the SCA. :-)

On the other hand, *we* don't mind your questions, either, so by all
means, ask away. That's what this list is for!

You'll find that with many questions, there may be more than one right
answer. It may depend on your kingdom of residence, the customs of your
local group, or simply personal preference. So listen to what everyone
has to say, consult your local or kingdom officers -- or the online
written policies -- for anything having to do with official rules, and
form your own opinions about matters of preference.

My best advice as to how to get involved is to find someone at an event
or meeting who's doing something that looks interesting. Then, depending
on the context, say, "Hi, I'm new, and I was wondering if you could tell
me about what you're doing," or "Hi, it looks like you could use a hand
with that scut work. May I help?"

Welcome to the SCA and to the list!

Justin


--
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Maistor Justinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two keys
fesswise reversed sable.

justin@...                              http://4th.com/sca/justin/

Welcome!

It's always a pleasure to see a new face, so to speak.

I have a few suggestions for anyone who is just starting out, most of which
is just making sure that you know about resources available to you.

To start with, the Society maintains a website with excellent pages of
advice specifically for newcomers:  http://www.sca.org/
In the upper right hand corner there are several links under the heading
'New to the SCA?'

In 'Find Your Local Group', there will be links that will help you to figure
out which kingdom you are in.  Once you've done that, you can find your
kingdom's website, also in 'Find Your Local Group'.  Your kingdom's website
will have more specific information to your area, like a calendar of local
events, frequently with links to websites, and who the current king and
prince are.

The Society website also has info about the rules for any kind of martial
activity, under Marshal's handbooks, from heavy fighting to siege weapons.
Your kingdom website will have rules specifically for your kingdom, and will
assume you already know the Society rules.

The Society website has the Society Charter on it, with the specifics of
who, what, when, where and why spelled out, so that there is less confusion.

Once you start wanting more in depth info for various subjects, I recommend
Stefan's website, The Florilegium:  http://www.florilegium.org/
with all sorts of articles about almost everything you could possible be
interested in.

Please don't stress out about finding a persona and making garb right away;
your local group should have loaner garb, loaner feast gear, loaner fighter
equipment, etc.  While you should eventually start acquiring your own stuff,
everyone has been a newcomer at one time or another, and they all
understand, which is why they maintain loaner gear in the first place.

Try out lots of things, even things you aren't sure you'll like; it costs
little to try, and you might surprise yourself!  (I didn't think I would be
patient enough to ever do any embroidery, but I'm finding I can handle
couched embroidery in small amounts.)

Your local group is a font of info about all the things they are interested
in - ask them questions about anything that looks like you might like to
try - they frequently will let you, and teach you how.  More, if there is
something you are interested in, and your local group doesn't have someone
else doing it already, they will likely know someone who is, and can
introduce you.

For any specific interest you wish to pursue, there is a Yahoo list - or you
can start one!

And always, you are welcome to ask any question you may have here.  Someone
will know the answer, or know where to find the answer, or know someone
else, who knows, etc.

Speaking of this Yahoo list, this SCA Newcomers Yahoo list has a files and a
photos section, with lots of info and pics about things that people on this
list were and are interested in - check it out sometime - I just noticed a
file on Chatelaine info!  I'll be looking at that as soon as I finish this
email!  (Chatelaine is the person designated to help newcomers in a group.
We have chatelaines on shire, baronial, regional, kingdom and societal
levels.)

Tabitha Pennywarden
Ravenslake, Midlands
Middle Kingdom


   -----Original Message-----
   From: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of mbuter30
   Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:16 PM
   To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [SCA Newcomers] new to group and SCA


     Hi I was intruduced to SCA by my cousin and her boyfriend. I looked up
some groups and joind some. I am also new to the Oregon area so she is
showing me around :-)

   Thank you

   Shellie






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Thanks Steffan. Great references. I'm looking for persona research first and
foremost then I'll go from there. Svana
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan li Rous <stefanlirous@...>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:03:57
To: SCA Newcomers list<scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Re: Norse books

Svana asked:

<<< Has anyone read "Women in the Viking Age" or "Women in Old Norse
Society?"

I'm wanting to do some reference type reading and was hoping to get
some feedback or other suggestions. >>>

Are you looking specifically for books on Norse women. Or specifically
Viking women? Or for books on the culture, which are more general than
this?

Here are some book reviews and bibliographies in the NORSE section of
the Florilegium:

books-Norse-msg   (24K)  4/26/08    Books about the Norse. Reviews.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NORSE/books-Norse-msg.html
Norse-crafts-bib   (9K)  7/21/07    Bibliographies on Norse crafts.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NORSE/Norse-crafts-bib.html
Norse-lit-bib     (16K)  5/18/01    Bibliography of Norse literature
by Gunnora.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NORSE/Norse-lit-bib.html
Norse-women-bib   (12K)  3/28/01    An annotated bibliography on Norse
women by
                                         Gunnora Hallakarva.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NORSE/Norse-women-bib.html

If this is specifically for persona development, then this file in the
PERSONA section might also be of use:
Vikng-Persona-wsh  (8K) 12/21/01    A Viking Persona worksheet by
                                         Gunnora Hallakarva.

As you can see, many of the articles and bibliographies I have were
written by Mistress Gunnora. She is/was known as the "Viking Answer
Lady" and does have her own website. The last couple of years she has
been that active on the local SCA level, but she probably has some
more info available on her own site.

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****





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I am thinking of doing Irish/Scottish at the moment. I do Native American stuff
also.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kristen Praiswater
   To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:16 PM
   Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] new to group and SCA


     Hi Shellie it's good to meet you.  This is a good group to start your SCA
journey with.  Everyone here is friendly, helpful, and good advice givers.  I
don't think they know what an asset they are.  Do you have an idea for a persona
yet?  If not don't sweat it and just have fun.

   Kristen

   --- On Sat, 10/24/09, mbuter30 <mbuter30@...> wrote:

   From: mbuter30 <mbuter30@...>
   Subject: [SCA Newcomers] new to group and SCA
   To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 2:16 PM



   Hi I was intruduced to SCA by my cousin and her boyfriend. I looked up some
groups and joind some. I am also new to the Oregon area so she is showing me
around :-)

   Thank you

   Shellie

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Cool thank you for all the information I do a lot of different crat type. I do
native american beadwork, hand embroidery, Book binding, machine embroidery,
sewing, some leatherwork, I just have so many things I do it is too much to list
at the moment. My cousin and her boyfriend are going to take me and my sister to
a SCA newcomers night on tuseday. I am looking forward to it.

Shellie

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kyla
   To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:59 AM
   Subject: RE: [SCA Newcomers] new to group and SCA


     Welcome!

   It's always a pleasure to see a new face, so to speak.

   I have a few suggestions for anyone who is just starting out, most of which
   is just making sure that you know about resources available to you.

   To start with, the Society maintains a website with excellent pages of
   advice specifically for newcomers: http://www.sca.org/
   In the upper right hand corner there are several links under the heading
   'New to the SCA?'

   In 'Find Your Local Group', there will be links that will help you to figure
   out which kingdom you are in. Once you've done that, you can find your
   kingdom's website, also in 'Find Your Local Group'. Your kingdom's website
   will have more specific information to your area, like a calendar of local
   events, frequently with links to websites, and who the current king and
   prince are.

   The Society website also has info about the rules for any kind of martial
   activity, under Marshal's handbooks, from heavy fighting to siege weapons.
   Your kingdom website will have rules specifically for your kingdom, and will
   assume you already know the Society rules.

   The Society website has the Society Charter on it, with the specifics of
   who, what, when, where and why spelled out, so that there is less confusion.

   Once you start wanting more in depth info for various subjects, I recommend
   Stefan's website, The Florilegium: http://www.florilegium.org/
   with all sorts of articles about almost everything you could possible be
   interested in.

   Please don't stress out about finding a persona and making garb right away;
   your local group should have loaner garb, loaner feast gear, loaner fighter
   equipment, etc. While you should eventually start acquiring your own stuff,
   everyone has been a newcomer at one time or another, and they all
   understand, which is why they maintain loaner gear in the first place.

   Try out lots of things, even things you aren't sure you'll like; it costs
   little to try, and you might surprise yourself! (I didn't think I would be
   patient enough to ever do any embroidery, but I'm finding I can handle
   couched embroidery in small amounts.)

   Your local group is a font of info about all the things they are interested
   in - ask them questions about anything that looks like you might like to
   try - they frequently will let you, and teach you how. More, if there is
   something you are interested in, and your local group doesn't have someone
   else doing it already, they will likely know someone who is, and can
   introduce you.

   For any specific interest you wish to pursue, there is a Yahoo list - or you
   can start one!

   And always, you are welcome to ask any question you may have here. Someone
   will know the answer, or know where to find the answer, or know someone
   else, who knows, etc.

   Speaking of this Yahoo list, this SCA Newcomers Yahoo list has a files and a
   photos section, with lots of info and pics about things that people on this
   list were and are interested in - check it out sometime - I just noticed a
   file on Chatelaine info! I'll be looking at that as soon as I finish this
   email! (Chatelaine is the person designated to help newcomers in a group.
   We have chatelaines on shire, baronial, regional, kingdom and societal
   levels.)

   Tabitha Pennywarden
   Ravenslake, Midlands
   Middle Kingdom

   -----Original Message-----
   From: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com]On
   Behalf Of mbuter30
   Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:16 PM
   To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [SCA Newcomers] new to group and SCA

   Hi I was intruduced to SCA by my cousin and her boyfriend. I looked up
   some groups and joind some. I am also new to the Oregon area so she is
   showing me around :-)

   Thank you

   Shellie

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Shellie said:
<<< Hi I was intruduced to SCA by my cousin and her boyfriend. I
looked up some groups and joind some. I am also new to the Oregon area
so she is showing me around :-) >>>

Greetings Shellie,

Welcome to the SCA!

I'm not sure what you mean by "some groups". If you mean some mail
lists or newsgroups, that is only a small part of the SCA. Want you
really want to do is find out where the local groups are around you
and find one or more of those you'd like to participate with. Nothing
says you have to belong to only a single local group, although folks
usually play with the one closest to them. If your closest group is
into armored combat, and you are more into rapier combat or Arts and
Sciences then another group where the people do more of the latter,
might be more to your enjoyment.

In Oregon you are in the Kingdom of An Tir. If you go to the main SCA
site, www.sca.org, I believe they have a listing of or a program for
finding out the groups closest to you.

I run a website called Stefan's Florilegium. It has a large number of
files on a wide variety of SCA and medieval subjects. You might want
to start out looking at the NEWCOMERS section there, to find out more
about the SCA.  The address can be found in my signature below.

Please feel free to ask me any questions you have or ask them here on
this list.

Stefan
PS: I was going to send this by email to Shellie, but decided some
here might also be interested.  I hope the ongoing mentions of the
Florilegium here aren't getting people annoyed.
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Hello!

i'm still new to SCA, i've been wanting to join for the longest time but never
really could committee. I saw a demo of my local group like 2 weeks ago and
decided to just do it because it looked so much fun. Anyways, i've been trying
to narrow down some persona options and i wanted to get some feedback from
everyone here

I was thinking of doing Viking era, i was wondering if anyone had any resources
or knowledge for clothing, arts and science, suggestions for why its a good era
or maybe suggestions why it isnt and some options on which is.

Nice to meet you all and thanks!

Dane

Justin commented:
<<< Your local group won't mind the questions at all -- there are few
things
SCA folk like to talk about more than the SCA. :-) >>>

For those who are shy, as I was when I joined the SCA and still can
be, you can turn this to your advantage.

With the SCA folks, you don't have to look for an overused line like
"What is your sign?". At an event, take note of what they are wearing,
or a particular hand craft they are working on while watching the
tournament. You can find lots of excuses to walk up to someone and ask
"That is a lovely necklace you are wearing. Did you make it?" or
"Milady, that is a nice dress you have on. I love all the bright
colors. What culture and time is it from?" or "Milord, I like your
boots. Are they comfortable? Where did you get them?"

Note that if you are unsure of how to address someone, the generic
title of "Milady" or "Milord" works well enough. If you are pretty
sure that they are likely to have a higher title, because they are
wearing some kind of shiny coronet, or for other reasons you can move
it up a notice to  "My Lady" or "My Lord". Even Peers or Nobles should
not take offense at these titles, even if they currently now have
higher ones. Anyone who gets over offensive about being called by
their exact title, probably doesn't deserve that title.

There are lots of different styles of coronets and the meanings of all
the various points and symbols on them may differ from kingdom to
kingdom.

Most peers do not snarl and bite.  And many feel isolated because new
folks are afraid to approach them out of "Peer Fear".

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Dane asked:
<<< I was thinking of doing Viking era, i was wondering if anyone had
any resources or knowledge for clothing, arts and science, suggestions
for why its a good era or maybe suggestions why it isnt and some
options on which is.  >>>

Personally, I think we have more than enough Viking era Norse. If you
looked only at the SCA you'd think that all the Norse died out at the
end of the Viking era. :-) But it does have the advantage of a lot of
material being readily available. I know of a handful of post-Viking
Norse including Duke Gunthar of Ansteorra, but there aren't many.

There is this file in the CULTURES section of the Florilegium. The
Florilegium is a large collection of information from various Internet
newsgroups and mail lists and articles submitted by their authors.
There is information there on a wide variety of SCA and medieval
subjects. You can find the address in my signature line below.

Norse-msg        (120K)  2/ 7/08    Norse culture. Viking raids.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/CULTURES/Norse-msg.html

While not comprehensive, this section does have some information on a
number of medieval cultures and can give you some other ideas for
personas and a starting place for information on some of them.

There is also a section specifically on Norse stuff, called NORSE.
Here are a couple of the files that can be found there:
books-Norse-msg   (24K)  4/26/08    Books about the Norse. Reviews.
N-drink-trad-art  (18K)  7/31/98    "Norse Drinking Traditions" by
Gunnora
                                         Hallakarva.
Norse-food-art     (8K)  7/26/94    Article on what the Norse ate.
Norse-games-art   (32K)  7/29/96    Board games played by the Norse.
Vikg-n-Irelnd-art (24K)  1/25/03    "Vikings in Ireland" by Mistress
Gunnora
                                         Hallakarva. Notes for a future
article.

Here is a file on some suggestions for lesser used personas:
Som-Per-Ideas-art (16K) 12/31/02    "Some Persona Ideas" by HL Elaine de
                                         Montgris (known as 'Lainie).
http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAS/Som-Per-Ideas-art.html

Stefan
--------
THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Dane asked:
> I was thinking of doing Viking era, i was wondering if anyone had
> any resources or knowledge for clothing, arts and science,
> suggestions for why its a good era or maybe suggestions why it isnt
> and some options on which is.

Stefan commented:
> Personally, I think we have more than enough Viking era Norse. If
> you looked only at the SCA you'd think that all the Norse died out
> at the end of the Viking era. :-) But it does have the advantage of
> a lot of material being readily available.

Not really.  There are a number of sites that have yielded really
cool artifacts from the Viking Age (especially metalwork), but
there's still a lot about that period that's completely unknown.  The
clothes you see people with Viking Age personae wearing at events are
almost entirely speculative, for example.  We have very, very little
in the way of surviving garments from the period, so a lot is based
on articles buried centuries before the Viking Age began (like the
Thorsbjerg trousers, for example) or centuries after it ended (like
the Herjolfsnes tunics) and on guesses (educated or not) based on
stylized images from period artwork and little scraps of cloth that
have survived.


Coblaith Muimnech
<mailto:Coblaith@...>
<http://coblaith.net>

Make sure you check out the Viking Answer Lady
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/index.shtml
This is the best site for most things Norse
and it has links to other great sites
Good luck
Svipdagr

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Coblaith Muimnech
<Coblaith@...>wrote:

>
>
> Dane asked:
> > I was thinking of doing Viking era, i was wondering if anyone had
> > any resources or knowledge for clothing, arts and science,
> > suggestions for why its a good era or maybe suggestions why it isnt
> > and some options on which is.
>
> Stefan commented:
> > Personally, I think we have more than enough Viking era Norse. If
> > you looked only at the SCA you'd think that all the Norse died out
> > at the end of the Viking era. :-) But it does have the advantage of
> > a lot of material being readily available.
>
> Not really. There are a number of sites that have yielded really
> cool artifacts from the Viking Age (especially metalwork), but
> there's still a lot about that period that's completely unknown. The
> clothes you see people with Viking Age personae wearing at events are
> almost entirely speculative, for example. We have very, very little
> in the way of surviving garments from the period, so a lot is based
> on articles buried centuries before the Viking Age began (like the
> Thorsbjerg trousers, for example) or centuries after it ended (like
> the Herjolfsnes tunics) and on guesses (educated or not) based on
> stylized images from period artwork and little scraps of cloth that
> have survived.
>
> Coblaith Muimnech
> <mailto:Coblaith@... <Coblaith%40sbcglobal.net>>
> <http://coblaith.net>
>
>


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Hello all, I am more than new to SCA, I had never heard of it until,I meet this
real great person, who is totally into this, she has a great set of friends that
she meet their and I am just as interested. If some one could give me some in
sight into this, I would love to impress her, I just need somewhere to start. D

Well first of all where are you located at? We can direct you to your local
group and get you started that way.





Yours in Humble Service,
Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
Chivalry, Honor, Duty, Not just words but a choice!





To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
From: secondtyme2001@...
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:11:57 +0000
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Ready to jump in head first..





Hello all, I am more than new to SCA, I had never heard of it until,I meet this
real great person, who is totally into this, she has a great set of friends that
she meet their and I am just as interested. If some one could give me some in
sight into this, I would love to impress her, I just need somewhere to start. D









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I think she is part of THE SYLVAN KINGDOM OF AETHELMEARC.
D

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wrote:
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>
> Well first of all where are you located at? We can direct you to your local
group and get you started that way.
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>
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> Yours in Humble Service,
> Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
> Chivalry, Honor, Duty, Not just words but a choice!
>
>
>
>
>
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> From: secondtyme2001@...
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:11:57 +0000
> Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Ready to jump in head first..
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello all, I am more than new to SCA, I had never heard of it until,I meet
this real great person, who is totally into this, she has a great set of friends
that she meet their and I am just as interested. If some one could give me some
in sight into this, I would love to impress her, I just need somewhere to start.
D
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> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow!
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the best way to start, in your situation, is to ask her about the sca. mention
that you might like to attend an event. we scadians (members of the sca) love
talking about and showing off our hobby.  so just ask her about it. by the way,
welcome to the funnest times of your life.  john of antioche

--- On Wed, 10/28/09, christopher chastain <ckchastain@...> wrote:

From: christopher chastain <ckchastain@...>
Subject: RE: [SCA Newcomers] Ready to jump in head first..
To: "SCA New Comers" <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 5:57 PM






 







Well first of all where are you located at? We can direct you to your local
group and get you started that way.



Yours in Humble Service,

Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov

Chivalry, Honor, Duty, Not just words but a choice!



To: scanewcomers@ yahoogroups. com

From: secondtyme2001@ yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:11:57 +0000

Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Ready to jump in head first..



Hello all, I am more than new to SCA, I had never heard of it until,I meet this
real great person, who is totally into this, she has a great set of friends that
she meet their and I am just as interested. If some one could give me some in
sight into this, I would love to impress her, I just need somewhere to start. D





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In my opinion getting into anything to impress a girl is a bad idea in the first
place.  having said that, welcome to the SCA!  There are worse things you could
be getting into to impress her.
--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, "dylans" <secondtyme2001@...> wrote:
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> I think she is part of THE SYLVAN KINGDOM OF AETHELMEARC.
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> > Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
> > Chivalry, Honor, Duty, Not just words but a choice!
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> > Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Ready to jump in head first..
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this real great person, who is totally into this, she has a great set of friends
that she meet their and I am just as interested. If some one could give me some
in sight into this, I would love to impress her, I just need somewhere to start.
D
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Hello all,
    I am finally trying to fleshout my personna more than name and general
background only.  The name I choose is celtic, but I'd like to have her set in
the time of the high period of the joust in 14th Cent France. Does anyone know
where to begin looking to tie the two cultures together? What little I can find
on my name claims it as celtic, [Gaul?] but I have bumped into someone who has
said it was Welsh. Originally I had found the name in an Irish folk tale. I was
thinking perhaps the personna would be named after a grandmother who was from
Wales, or was a bride from there who married into a French fammily. I am also
interested in the Normans who went on Crusade, and their travel to and time in
the Holy Land. I was thinking to tie this into her through a father, husband or
maybe uncle. Appreciate thoughts and ideas!

Regards,
Edaine

Hello all,
    I am finally trying to fleshout my personna more than name and general
background only.  The name I choose is celtic, but I'd like to have her set in
the time of the high period of the joust in 14th Cent France. Does anyone know
where to begin looking to tie the two cultures together? What little I can find
on my name claims it as celtic, [Gaul?] but I have bumped into someone who has
said it was Welsh. Originally I had found the name in an Irish folk tale. I was
thinking perhaps the personna would be named after a grandmother who was from
Wales, or was a bride from there who married into a French fammily. I am also
interested in the Normans who went on Crusade, and their travel to and time in
the Holy Land. I was thinking to tie this into her through a father, husband or
maybe uncle. Appreciate thoughts and ideas!

Regards,
Edaine

Well if you have a Gaulic name that is cool
remember France before the Franks arrive was Gaul
so you have an old Gualic family who has deep traditions
hope that helps
Svipdagr

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Coronation Cognac <rackon.geo@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hello all,
> I am finally trying to fleshout my personna more than name and general
> background only. The name I choose is celtic, but I'd like to have her set
> in the time of the high period of the joust in 14th Cent France. Does anyone
> know where to begin looking to tie the two cultures together? What little I
> can find on my name claims it as celtic, [Gaul?] but I have bumped into
> someone who has said it was Welsh. Originally I had found the name in an
> Irish folk tale. I was thinking perhaps the personna would be named after a
> grandmother who was from Wales, or was a bride from there who married into a
> French fammily. I am also interested in the Normans who went on Crusade, and
> their travel to and time in the Holy Land. I was thinking to tie this into
> her through a father, husband or maybe uncle. Appreciate thoughts and ideas!
>
> Regards,
> Edaine
>
>
>


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Hmm, I beg to differ, Getting into something to impress a Girl? not a bad Idea.
If you look at it from this stand point.

You are learning to do the things your girl likes, not to impress, but to
understand the things she likes and does, and to try to be a part of them to
show your support, and that you are willing to do stuff she likes, and hopefully
but not nessesary, she will return the favor of trying to do the things you
like. If the SCA turns out to be something you enjoy, then you and her will have
made a nice fun place for you two to be together to share memories, for years to
come.

I do agree that there are worse things you can do to impress her, this I feel is
not one of them.
Read, & Listen, Ask questions. Think before you act, and if you dont like the
SCA, well at least you tried. Nothing harmed in trying. It would be more harmful
if you didnt even want to try..
Just my two cents.

In Loyal Service
Lord Gavin Kyncade
Marcaster Hospitaller and Ranger
Kingdom of Trimaris




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From: gjgastal <gjgastal@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 7:08:29 PM
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Re: Ready to jump in head first..

 

In my opinion getting into anything to impress a girl is a bad idea in the first
place. having said that, welcome to the SCA! There are worse things you could be
getting into to impress her.
--- In scanewcomers@ yahoogroups. com, "dylans" <secondtyme2001@ ...> wrote:
>
> I think she is part of THE SYLVAN KINGDOM OF AETHELMEARC.
> D
>
> --- In scanewcomers@ yahoogroups. com, christopher chastain <ckchastain@ >
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well first of all where are you located at? We can direct you to your local
group and get you started that way.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yours in Humble Service,
> > Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
> > Chivalry, Honor, Duty, Not just words but a choice!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: scanewcomers@ yahoogroups. com
> > From: secondtyme2001@
> > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:11:57 +0000
> > Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Ready to jump in head first..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello all, I am more than new to SCA, I had never heard of it until,I meet
this real great person, who is totally into this, she has a great set of friends
that she meet their and I am just as interested. If some one could give me some
in sight into this, I would love to impress her, I just need somewhere to start.
D
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Edaine wrote:
> I am finally trying to fleshout my personna more than name and
> general background only. The name I choose is celtic, but I'd like
> to have her set in the time of the high period of the joust in 14th
> Cent France. Does anyone know where to begin looking to tie the two
> cultures together?

"Celtic" is a term scholars coined (basing it on "Keltoi", the name a
Greek historian writing in the 6th century B.C.E. gave to a tribe he
studied) to describe archaeological sites with certain commonalities
in material culture.  They all significantly predate the Middle Ages
and Renaissance.  (The latest are from around the first century
B.C.E.)  The term has been adopted into linguistics as the name for a
family of languages, and is used popularly as an umbrella term
referring to modern groups believed to be the cultural descendants of
the ancient Celts.  But it doesn't accurately identify any group that
existed during the S.C.A's core period.

The medieval groups generally considered to be culturally descended
from the Celts include the Irish Gaels, the Scottish Gaels, the
Bretons, the Welsh, the Manx, and the Cornish.  The Bretons lived
(and still live) in what is now France, in the region of Brittany.
By your period of interest, their naming pool seems to have been very
similar to that on which others in France drew, containing names of
Breton, Frankish, and Latin derivation <http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/
public-bin/showfinal.cgi/869.txt>.

> What little I can find on my name claims it as celtic, [Gaul?] but
> I have bumped into someone who has said it was Welsh. Originally I
> had found the name in an Irish folk tale.

That family of language I mentioned before has two major divisions:
Irish Gaelic, Scottish Gaelic, and Manx are Goidelic, and Welsh,
Breton, and Cornish are Brythonic <http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/
lrc/general/ie-lg/Celtic.html>.  The languages on each branch of the
family tree are much more similar to one another than to the
languages on the other, but they do all have common roots.  It
wouldn't be surprising if some names in one language have cognates in
another.

"Étaín" is dated to the 13th century in Ó Corráin & Maguire's _Irish
Names_, <http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/ocm/OCM-
FemGivAlpha.shtml>, and Mari Elspeth nic Bryan gives the standard
Early Modern Irish Gaelic form as "Éadaoin" <http://
www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Etain.shtml>.  I
didnt' find anything similar in any of the resources on Welsh names
to which I have access.

> I was thinking perhaps the personna would be named after a
> grandmother who was from Wales, or was a bride from there who
> married into a French fammily.

In the Middle Ages, people generally used names that were familiar to
the people among whom they lived.  It was common for someone who
moved from one linguistic region to another to adopt a local version
of her or his original name.  A 13th-century Irish woman named
"Étain" who moved to France would, for instance, likely be called by
a French name with a similar sound--perhaps "Edeline", "Élainne",
"Esdeline", or "Estienne", which were all in use as feminine given
names in Paris at the end of the 13th century <http://
heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html#E>.  Her children
would have French names, as would their children.

The S.C.A. College of Arms will register a name that has one Irish
Gaelic and one French phrase, provided there's nothing else odd about
it <http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2004/02/04-02lar.html#14>.
But names that mix languages in that way are not historically
plausible.  If you're looking to put together a fully-realized
persona you should avoid them.  Pick a region and put together a name
appropriate to someone from that region.

> I am also interested in the Normans who went on Crusade, and their
> travel to and time in the Holy Land. I was thinking to tie this
> into her through a father, husband or maybe uncle.

The Normans who went on Crusade weren't significantly different from
all the other Normans.  It'd be plausible for pretty much any French
persona to have Crusaders in her family.

> Appreciate thoughts and ideas!

You should read, "Choosing a Society Name: Hints for Newcomers"
<http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/dietmar/hints.html>.  It will help
you avoid the most common mistakes people make in this process.


Coblaith Muimnech
<mailto:Coblaith@...>
<http://coblaith.net>

I'm in the kingdom of Atenveldt, and the Barony of Tir Ysgithr...
but our Heraldry gathering is not till late next month, I was wondering if I
could get advice on the name I would like to be using here...
My mundane name is Jace, but I would like to go by the name 'Hopkin Y Blaidd'
which is translated in welsh as 'Robert the Wolf'.

any advice?

In reality too, remember that a very large portion of the population of the
world was illiterate. Names were (and are today) mostly passed on verbally and
many times are written incorrectly from how the owner spells them. If a person
says they are named 'Argee' (pronounced only), persons may assume they heard
incorrectly and that they name is Archie, whereas in truth they were giving
initials R.G. In researching my own ancestry only into the 1500's names were
very often recorded from what someone _else_ said. Names being passed verbally
will used the pronunciation of the local dialect. So if your persona's name was
of a odd sound to the locals, they would likely pronounce it in a local way, and
if it were passed on to you through another it may be significantly different
from that your mother gave. That could be part of a persona as well, not knowing
ones parents.

Hope this helps.
Larry

> In the Middle Ages, people generally used names that were familiar to
> the people among whom they lived.  It was common for someone who
> moved from one linguistic region to another to adopt a local version
> of her or his original name.  A 13th-century Irish woman named
> "Étain" who moved to France would, for instance, likely be called by
> a French name with a similar sound--perhaps "Edeline", "Élainne",
> "Esdeline", or "Estienne", which were all in use as feminine given
> names in Paris at the end of the 13th century <http://
> heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html#E>.  Her children
> would have French names, as would their children.

Quoth "jd_hopkins":
> I'm in the kingdom of Atenveldt, and the Barony of Tir Ysgithr...
> but our Heraldry gathering is not till late next month, I was wondering if I
> could get advice on the name I would like to be using here...

Information about heraldic submissions in Atenveldt is provided
by Brickbat Herald at this webpage:
http://atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com/index.shtml.  The front
page of this says:

"Yes, there is such a thing as Online Consultation! If you cannot
make it to a local fighter practice, or you live in an area without
a herald, or you just want to know more about onomastics and armory,
this is a good way to find out. Contact Marta."

Marta's email is brickbat@....

-Aryanhwy




--
vita sine literis mors est
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/

I am going to try to do a Scottish Irish persona for when I start going out and
attending some of the events with my cousin and her boyfriend. I am not sure
exactly where to start out because I know I can look up online for different
pictures and stuff. I just don't know how to get started. I have a very low
budget at the moment. I am going to try to attend school here in OR on Jewelry
making. I have a basic knowlege of it but want to expand so I can make some
period peices. I also do book binding, sewing, beadwork, machine and hand
embroidery, and a few other things that catch my interest.

Thank you
Shellie

>> Hello all, I am more than new to SCA, I had never heard of it
>> until,I meet this real great person, who is totally into this, she
>> has a great set of friends that she meet their and I am just as
>> interested. If some one could give me some in sight into this, I
>> would love to impress her, I just need somewhere to start. D

I was one of those folks who joined the SCA to give myself another
social outlet and perhaps meet some new people. That was 20 years ago.
Along the way I met and married my lady wife. Before I joined the SCA,
I doubt I knew that much about the Middle Ages and I don't know if I
even had one book about them. Now my library fills one room and has
spread into several others. There are bags of armor and rapier
supplies in the garage and a lot more camping supplies, mostly in the
garage. Oh, and several finished and unfinished craft projects around
the house.

You haven't told us what your interests are, so I can't point you to
any useful resources for those yet. I would recommend looking through
the NEWCOMERS section of the Florilegium website, the address of which
is in my signature line below.

There individual files might also be of interest. Maybe even be of help.

romance-today-msg (12K)  4/13/00  Romantic ideas from period to use
today.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/STORIES/romance-today-msg.html
SCA-romance-msg   (40K)  2/13/06  SCA romances and meeting SOs in the
SCA.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/STORIES/SCA-romance-msg.html
flirting-msg      (14K)  2/ 4/94    How to flirt, courteously and
successfully.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/UNCAT/flirting-msg.html
courtesy-msg      (32K)  1/19/96  Courtesy guidelines in the SCA and
period.
                                       Hand-kissing and bowing.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/courtesy-msg.html
SCA-courtesy-art  (14K)  5/22/96  Courtesy guidelines by Ioseph of
Locksley.
http://www.florilegium.org/files/NEWCOMERS/SCA-courtesy-art.html

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****

Shellie wrote:
> I am going to try to do a Scottish Irish persona. . .I just don't
> know how to get started.

The first step would be to pick a culture and an era.  At various
points in the millennium or so that constitutes the S.C.A's core
period, both Ireland and Scotland were home to significant Gaelic and
Norse populations, smaller but politically influential English
communities, and a variety of less prominent groups.  And, of course,
every detail of daily life--from the languages spoken to the clothes
worn, the food eaten, and the games played--changed from one century
to another.

Two issues you might want to consider as you make your choice are the
clothing you'll be donning and the name to which you'll be answering
once you've settled on a persona.  You'll want to be comfortable
wearing both.


There are two good printed sources on the history of Irish clothing:

_Dress in Ireland: A History_, by Mairead Dunlevy, is widely
available. You should be able to find it through Inter-Library Loan
(in the States, at least) as well as through any number of on- and
off-line vendors. The author has webbed a brief article on the
history of clothing in county Clare <http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/
coclare/history/costume.htm> that you might find somewhat useful.

_Old Irish and Highland Dress, with Notes on That of the Isle of
Man_, by H.F. McClintock, is an older book, long out of print, which
is difficult to find in hard copy anywhere. It is available in a PDF
facsimile edition from Unicorn Limited <http://www.scotpress.com/
catalog/product_info.php?products_id=93>.

Finnacan Dub's "Early Gaelic Dress: An Introduction" <http://
coblaith.net/EarlyGaelicDress/default.html> is the best online
resource on early-period Irish and Scottish Gaelic clothes of which
I'm aware.

Medieval Scotland's Scottish Clothing Resources <http://
www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/> include good overviews of what's
known about the topic.

Reconstructing History's website includes a number of articles on
later-period clothing from Ireland <https://
www.reconstructinghistory.com/irish.php?c=8&d=100&w=1&r=Y> and
Scotland <https://www.reconstructinghistory.com/irish.php?
c=8&d=117&w=3&r=Y>.


When it comes to names, first read "Choosing a Society Name: Hints
for Newcomers" <http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/dietmar/hints.html>.
Then visit the Medieval Names Archive's guide to Irish and Manx
<http://s-gabriel.org/names/irish.shtml> and Scottish names <http://s-
gabriel.org/names/scottish.shtml> to get a better look at your options.


You might also want to consult a good overview of the history of the
two countries if you think you'll want to get into complex persona
play.  (Some people really enjoy writing back-stories for themselves,
imagining how their personae would react to "current" events, etc.
If you're one of them, you'll want to pick a period in which things
you find interesting were happening.)  Ireland's History in Maps
<http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/> is a good site.
Medieval Scotland <http://www.medievalscotland.org/> hosts a few
historic articles and links to other reliable sites.


Welcome to the Society, and don't hesitate to write the list with any
questions you might have as you go along,.  We'll be happy to help.


Coblaith Muimnech
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
<mailto:Coblaith@...>
<http://coblaith.net>

Shellie said:

<<< I am going to try to do a Scottish Irish persona for when I start
going out and attending some of the events with my cousin and her
boyfriend. I am not sure exactly where to start out because I know I
can look up online for different pictures and stuff. I just don't know
how to get started. I have a very low budget at the moment. I am going
to try to attend school here in OR on Jewelry making. I have a basic
knowlege of it but want to expand so I can make some period peices. I
also do book binding, sewing, beadwork, machine and hand embroidery,
and a few other things that catch my interest. >>>

Shellie, you might want to look at these Florilegium files on Scottish/
Irish stuff.

(My apologies for those on the list who've already seen my previous
message(s) on this)

In the CULTURES section:
Ireland-lnks      (20K) 12/25/03    Web links to medieval Ireland
                                         by Dame Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon.
Ireland-msg       (68K)  3/ 6/08    Irish culture, dress. Points of
interest.
Scotland-lnks     (20K) 10/12/03  Web links to medieval Scotland
                                       by Dame Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon.
Scotland-msg      (63K)  4/16/05  Scottish culture. Who lived where.
Medieval
                                       points of interest. The Orkney
Islands.

In the CLOTHING section:
cl-Scot-fem-art   (14K)  7/ 2/96    Scottish women's clothing.
cl-Scotland-msg  (114K) 10/31/01    Clothing of Scotland. folding of
kilts.

I don't have my jewelry files separated by culture, but in the
ACCESSORIES section:
ear-rings-msg      (8K)  7/12/02    Medieval ear rings. Men's and
women's.
finger-rings-lnks (10K) 12/18/04    Links to information on medieval
finger
                                         rings by Dame Aoife Finn of
Ynos Mon.
finger-rings-msg  (23K)  7/10/02    Medieval finger rings.
gem-sources-msg   (16K)  9/26/08    Sources for real and artificial
gemstones.
jewelry-msg       (78K)  1/17/08    Medieval jewelry. Jewelry sources.

In the TEXTILE-ARTS section:
beadwork-msg      (36K)  9/ 6/09    Beadwork on clothing. Bead types,
sources.
embroidery-msg   (100K)  1/26/08    Period and SCA embroidery.
sewing-msg        (80K)  4/ 8/08    Sewing ideas and stitches.
sewing-tables-msg  (7K)  3/30/00    Ideas and comments on sewing tables.
sewing-tools-msg  (70K)  1/19/08    Medieval sewing tools, needles,
thimbles.
sewng-machnes-msg (31K)  6/17/05    Comments on sewing machines for
SCA use.

Shellie, it sounds like you already have some useful skills. Many
items and skills are bartered in the SCA, so you may be able to
overcome your low budget by trading skills and time for items.

I hope this gives you some things to start with.

Stefan
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THLord Stefan li Rous    Barony of Bryn Gwlad    Kingdom of Ansteorra
     Mark S. Harris           Austin, Texas          StefanliRous@...
**** See Stefan's Florilegium files at:  http://www.florilegium.org ****