Lady Aelfwyn Elswith,
Thank you, yes, I joined that group, even saw your post but sadly, even with
such a specific name as sca_soapandcandle_making, there is no information on
that group about soap. It is just an ad blog cluttered with "buy my grocery
coupons book" type ads.
Thank you for trying, I have to assume that no one in the known world uses
homemade lye to make soap anymore.
YIS
Jon

Greetings Jon,
My daughter and her friends make homemade laundry soap. It's really strange to
watch and you can mix it with your bare hands. Let me look and I'll find you a
recipe or someone to ask about bath soap too.

AElfwynn
Shire of Beau Fort
Kingdom of Meridies




________________________________
From: jon.horde <jon.horde@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:57:28 AM
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Re: soap laurel





Lady Aelfwyn Elswith,
Thank you, yes, I joined that group, even saw your post but sadly, even with
such a specific name as sca_soapandcandle_ making, there is no information on
that group about soap. It is just an ad blog cluttered with "buy my grocery
coupons book" type ads.
Thank you for trying, I have to assume that no one in the known world uses
homemade lye to make soap anymore.
YIS
Jon







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Just wondering what sort of thing would qualify as an acceptable A&S project.
Specifically, I have a very keen interest in Astonomy, and was thinking of
scratch building a telescope based upon those used by either Isaac Newton,
Galileo or Copernicus.

I've found plans online for several different variations, which I'd be happy to
share.

Other possible projects I'm toying with or in-progress include:
chainmaille (currently in progress)
calligraphy/ illumination
painting

I understand that there needs to be an historical reference for a project, but
what are the exact criteria?

Thanks
Robert Bohler

Robert Bohler wrote:
> Just wondering what sort of thing would qualify as an acceptable
> A&S project.
> Specifically, I have a very keen interest in Astonomy, and was
> thinking of scratch building a telescope based upon those used by
> either Isaac Newton, Galileo or Copernicus.

> I understand that there needs to be an historical reference for a
> project, but what are the exact criteria?

Any project from which you learn something about a medieval or
Renaissance craft, skill, or discipline is an acceptable A&S
project.  The purpose of A&S activity is to expand our individual and
collective knowledge about our period.

If your goal is to enter an A&S competition or display, you should be
able to discover the requirements for entry from the stewards or the
event announcement.  They vary widely from place to place and event
to event.

General information on how judging is done in your kingdom and tips
on how to go about putting together a display should be available
through your branch minister of Arts & Sciences or on your kingdom
website.  In Ansteorra, for example, the kingdom has published a
handbook for artisans <http://moas.ansteorra.org/handbooks/
ArtisanHandbook.htm>, and the kingdom's Laurels have made available a
variety of articles on writing documentation, how judging is done,
and other A&S topics <http://laurel.ansteorra.org/>.

If you'll let us know where you are, we'll try to point you to some
resources local to you.  (It's always a good idea to mention your
kingdom when you ask a question on this list, by the way.  The answer
depends on that information more often than you might think.)

In the mean time, if you've never done an A&S project before, I
recommend you read, "Three Sayings Concerning Documentation" <http://
laurel.ansteorra.org/articles/ThreeSayingsAboutDoc.htm> before you
start.  It will help you avoid the most egregious errors first-timers
often make.


Coblaith Muimnech
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
<mailto:Coblaith@...>
<http://coblaith.net>

Thanks Very much for the input.
My apologies also for not giving my location, I'm still a newcomer and not yet
fluent in the etiquette of the society.

Robert Bohler
Canton of Greyfells
Kingdom of Ealdormere
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Coblaith Muimnech
   To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:09 PM
   Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?





   Robert Bohler wrote:
   > Just wondering what sort of thing would qualify as an acceptable
   > A&S project.
   > Specifically, I have a very keen interest in Astonomy, and was
   > thinking of scratch building a telescope based upon those used by
   > either Isaac Newton, Galileo or Copernicus.

   > I understand that there needs to be an historical reference for a
   > project, but what are the exact criteria?

   Any project from which you learn something about a medieval or
   Renaissance craft, skill, or discipline is an acceptable A&S
   project. The purpose of A&S activity is to expand our individual and
   collective knowledge about our period.

   If your goal is to enter an A&S competition or display, you should be
   able to discover the requirements for entry from the stewards or the
   event announcement. They vary widely from place to place and event
   to event.

   General information on how judging is done in your kingdom and tips
   on how to go about putting together a display should be available
   through your branch minister of Arts & Sciences or on your kingdom
   website. In Ansteorra, for example, the kingdom has published a
   handbook for artisans <http://moas.ansteorra.org/handbooks/
   ArtisanHandbook.htm>, and the kingdom's Laurels have made available a
   variety of articles on writing documentation, how judging is done,
   and other A&S topics <http://laurel.ansteorra.org/>.

   If you'll let us know where you are, we'll try to point you to some
   resources local to you. (It's always a good idea to mention your
   kingdom when you ask a question on this list, by the way. The answer
   depends on that information more often than you might think.)

   In the mean time, if you've never done an A&S project before, I
   recommend you read, "Three Sayings Concerning Documentation" <http://
   laurel.ansteorra.org/articles/ThreeSayingsAboutDoc.htm> before you
   start. It will help you avoid the most egregious errors first-timers
   often make.

   Coblaith Muimnech
   Barony of Bryn Gwlad
   Kingdom of Ansteorra
   <mailto:Coblaith@...>
   <http://coblaith.net>





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Greetings,

I have similar interests but mine involve Navigation. Has to be something inside
SCA time period which is pre 1600 sometimes can slide to 1650. You want to have
a primary source as reference for example a mueseum piece with the info coming
from the mueseum holding the piece with a couple of secondary sources such as
reliable detailed descriptions. You want to be as close to the original piece as
you can reasonably get IE materials used, methods used and process's used. If
not reasonable then a good explanation as to why you substituted (too expensive
for material). This is the short short basic basic explanation, for a more
indepth ask your friendly neighborhood Laurel for examples of documentation.





Yours in Humble Service,
Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
"Man is not Lost!"





To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
From: robler2@...
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:42:02 +0000
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?







Just wondering what sort of thing would qualify as an acceptable A&S project.
Specifically, I have a very keen interest in Astonomy, and was thinking of
scratch building a telescope based upon those used by either Isaac Newton,
Galileo or Copernicus.

I've found plans online for several different variations, which I'd be happy to
share.

Other possible projects I'm toying with or in-progress include:
chainmaille (currently in progress)
calligraphy/ illumination
painting

I understand that there needs to be an historical reference for a project, but
what are the exact criteria?

Thanks
Robert Bohler









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> Greetings,
> My name ia AElfwynn from the Shire of Beau Fort.
> There is a yahoo group just for soap makers. Here's the
> website.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sca_soapandcandle_making/
>
> My brother Renart of Berwick is in the Antir Kingdom and he
> raises miniature goats. I'm hoping he'll start making soap
> too.
> Have a great time.
>
> In your service,
> AElfwynn


Thanks for the suggestion! But I gotta tell yah, I've been on that list for
years and it's been very quiet. Maybe this will help start some activity.

The older Aelfwyn

> Lady Aelfwyn Elswith,
> Thank you, yes, I joined that group, even saw your post but
> sadly, even with such a specific name as
> sca_soapandcandle_making, there is no information on that
> group about soap. It is just an ad blog cluttered with "buy
> my grocery coupons book" type ads.
> Thank you for trying, I have to assume that no one in the
> known world uses homemade lye to make soap anymore.
> YIS
> Jon


Way back when I chose that name (many many moons ago) no one was using it. Now,
I've run into three other Aelfwyns just in my area. The one that posted the sca
soap and candle list suggestion is not me.
And no, no one in the SCA - and in the mundane world only as a historic example
- useses home made lye to make soap. I'm sure that you've experienced many of
the reasons why.
I look forward to hearing about your successes when you finally screw up the
gumption to make some.

Keep us informed!
Lady Aelfwyn Elswith of the Confraternity of St. Eve

Of the three, I really like the telescope project; it's different.

As for the scope:  since the SCA is focused on pre-mumble civilization, anything
after (at latest) 1650 will be a hard sell, while anyone would accept pre-1600
western civilization   The gray areas are 1600-1650 (which most of us oldtimers
are fine with), and non-western civilization of any era. 

So:  a Newtonian reflector is not a good idea for an SCA A&S project (but the
SCA is not the universe), since Newton isn't even born until 1642.  The Galilean
refractor falls into the 1600-1650 area, but very close to the 1600 date (my
recollection is 1604) and European, so I doubt anyone will question its
appropriateness; you can bolster your case by finding references to telescopes
pre-1600 (there are some Dutch references, but I don't remember them offhand).

Jeffs/William

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Robert Bohler <robler2@...> wrote:

From: Robert Bohler <robler2@...>
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 5:42 PM

















       Just wondering what sort of thing would qualify as an acceptable A&S
project.

Specifically, I have a very keen interest in Astonomy, and was thinking of
scratch building a telescope based upon those used by either Isaac Newton,
Galileo or Copernicus.



I've found plans online for several different variations, which I'd be happy to
share.



Other possible projects I'm toying with or in-progress include:

chainmaille (currently in progress)

calligraphy/ illumination

painting



I understand that there needs to be an historical reference for a project, but
what are the exact criteria?



Thanks

Robert Bohler































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How far back in history are sextons? Didn't they use them as star navigation?
This is a cool subject and I think everyone would be very interested in reading
all of your documentation that would accompany your A&S project.
Did they map stars? A star map would be cool too.

AElfwynn of Lynford
Shire of Beau Fort
Kingdom of Meridies




________________________________
From: christopher chastain <ckchastain@...>
To: SCA New Comers <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:32:28 PM
Subject: RE: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?






Greetings,

I have similar interests but mine involve Navigation. Has to be something inside
SCA time period which is pre 1600 sometimes can slide to 1650. You want to have
a primary source as reference for example a mueseum piece with the info coming
from the mueseum holding the piece with a couple of secondary sources such as
reliable detailed descriptions. You want to be as close to the original piece as
you can reasonably get IE materials used, methods used and process's used. If
not reasonable then a good explanation as to why you substituted (too expensive
for material). This is the short short basic basic explanation, for a more
indepth ask your friendly neighborhood Laurel for examples of documentation.

Yours in Humble Service,
Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
"Man is not Lost!"

To: scanewcomers@ yahoogroups. com
From: robler2@sympatico. ca
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:42:02 +0000
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?

Just wondering what sort of thing would qualify as an acceptable A&S project.
Specifically, I have a very keen interest in Astonomy, and was thinking of
scratch building a telescope based upon those used by either Isaac Newton,
Galileo or Copernicus.

I've found plans online for several different variations, which I'd be happy to
share.

Other possible projects I'm toying with or in-progress include:
chainmaille (currently in progress)
calligraphy/ illumination
painting

I understand that there needs to be an historical reference for a project, but
what are the exact criteria?

Thanks
Robert Bohler

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Quoth wendy brown:
> How far back in history are sextons? Didn't they use them as star navigatio=
> n?

I think you mean "sextants".  A "sexton" is a clerical office --
the person who is "responsible for a church and its property, and
for tasks relating to its maintenance or management; (in early use)
spec. = SACRIST n. 1; (in later use chiefly) an officer of a parish
church whose responsibilities have traditionally included bell-
ringing and grave-digging."  (OED s.v. sexton).

Sextants are period, just; according to the OED s.v. sextant, "Tycho
Brahe, _Astronomia instauratae mechanica_ (1598) sig. A4, states that
he gave the name sextans to this instrument. Later the principle of
double reflection was used to produce the marine sextant, which measured
up to 120 degrees and became the main instrument for navigation."

-Aryanhwy


--
vita sine literis mors est
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/

Might also want to look at the instruments the sextant came from such as
astrolab's and quadrants, cross staff's and backstaff's. Remember nothing
advanced came from nothing, it always develops from something else.





Yours in Humble Service,
Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
"Man is not Lost!"





To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
From: liana@...
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:30:12 +0200
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?







Quoth wendy brown:
> How far back in history are sextons? Didn't they use them as star navigatio=
> n?

I think you mean "sextants". A "sexton" is a clerical office --
the person who is "responsible for a church and its property, and
for tasks relating to its maintenance or management; (in early use)
spec. = SACRIST n. 1; (in later use chiefly) an officer of a parish
church whose responsibilities have traditionally included bell-
ringing and grave-digging." (OED s.v. sexton).

Sextants are period, just; according to the OED s.v. sextant, "Tycho
Brahe, _Astronomia instauratae mechanica_ (1598) sig. A4, states that
he gave the name sextans to this instrument. Later the principle of
double reflection was used to produce the marine sextant, which measured
up to 120 degrees and became the main instrument for navigation."

-Aryanhwy

--
vita sine literis mors est
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/








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Jeffs/William wrote:
> As for the scope:  since the SCA is focused on pre-mumble
> civilization, anything after (at latest) 1650 will be a hard sell. . .

The start date for the S.C.A's core period is somewhat vaguely
defined.  The end date is not.  Anything from after 1600 is out of
period for us.  That's clear in our organization's governing
documents <http://sca.org/docs/#govdocs>.

The use of the term "gray area" to define the first half of the 17th
century relates to the question of documentation.  If you've got a
record of someone's marriage in 1610, you can argue that she must
have been alive, and could be presumed to have used the same given
name, in the last decade of the 16th century.  If piece of equipment
was in widespread use across a couple of countries in 1620, you can
argue that it was probably invented at least two decades before, and
that it is therefore plausible as a late-16th-century tool.

But when you use information from the 17th century to support the use
of anything in the 16th, you're speculating.  And speculation
(however well founded) is inferior to evidence.  It should be used
sparingly, and only if an exhaustive search for better proof is
unsuccessful.  If you're entering a judged A&S competition and
speculation is all you've got, should be prepared to lose points as a
consequence.


Coblatih Muimnech
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
<mailto:Coblaith@...>
<http://coblaith.net>

I looked up star charts which are ancient too and here is a wonderful site.

http://www2.gol.com/users/stever/charts.htm




________________________________
From: christopher chastain <ckchastain@...>
To: SCA New Comers <scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:28:03 PM
Subject: RE: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?


Might also want to look at the instruments the sextant came from such as
astrolab's and quadrants, cross staff's and backstaff's. Remember nothing
advanced came from nothing, it always develops from something else.





Yours in Humble Service,
Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
"Man is not Lost!"





To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
From: liana@...
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:30:12 +0200
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?







Quoth wendy brown:
> How far back in history are sextons? Didn't they use them as star navigatio=
> n?

I think you mean "sextants". A "sexton" is a clerical office --
the person who is "responsible for a church and its property, and
for tasks relating to its maintenance or management; (in early use)
spec. = SACRIST n. 1; (in later use chiefly) an officer of a parish
church whose responsibilities have traditionally included bell-
ringing and grave-digging." (OED s.v. sexton).

Sextants are period, just; according to the OED s.v. sextant, "Tycho
Brahe, _Astronomia instauratae mechanica_ (1598) sig. A4, states that
he gave the name sextans to this instrument. Later the principle of
double reflection was used to produce the marine sextant, which measured
up to 120 degrees and became the main instrument for navigation."

-Aryanhwy

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Well Galileo, built his first telescope in 1609.  The actual invention of the
telescope is credited to Hans Lipperhey in 1608.  So, that said I think its
close enough to the end of theSCA period to be a valid A&S project.

Robert Bohler
Canton of Greyfells
Kingdom of Ealdormere
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Coblaith Muimnech
   To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:23 PM
   Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Re: A&S projects?





   Jeffs/William wrote:
   > As for the scope: since the SCA is focused on pre-mumble
   > civilization, anything after (at latest) 1650 will be a hard sell. . .

   The start date for the S.C.A's core period is somewhat vaguely
   defined. The end date is not. Anything from after 1600 is out of
   period for us. That's clear in our organization's governing
   documents <http://sca.org/docs/#govdocs>.

   The use of the term "gray area" to define the first half of the 17th
   century relates to the question of documentation. If you've got a
   record of someone's marriage in 1610, you can argue that she must
   have been alive, and could be presumed to have used the same given
   name, in the last decade of the 16th century. If piece of equipment
   was in widespread use across a couple of countries in 1620, you can
   argue that it was probably invented at least two decades before, and
   that it is therefore plausible as a late-16th-century tool.

   But when you use information from the 17th century to support the use
   of anything in the 16th, you're speculating. And speculation
   (however well founded) is inferior to evidence. It should be used
   sparingly, and only if an exhaustive search for better proof is
   unsuccessful. If you're entering a judged A&S competition and
   speculation is all you've got, should be prepared to lose points as a
   consequence.

   Coblatih Muimnech
   Barony of Bryn Gwlad
   Kingdom of Ansteorra
   <mailto:Coblaith@...>
   <http://coblaith.net>





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You could slide by with that I think as if I remember correctly it took him a
few years to put it together or atleast to develop what he needed.





Yours in Humble Service,
Pomestnik Dmitrii Zarekoi Ivanov
"Man is not Lost!"





To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
From: robler2@...
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:36:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Re: A&S projects?







Well Galileo, built his first telescope in 1609. The actual invention of the
telescope is credited to Hans Lipperhey in 1608. So, that said I think its close
enough to the end of theSCA period to be a valid A&S project.

Robert Bohler
Canton of Greyfells
Kingdom of Ealdormere
----- Original Message -----
From: Coblaith Muimnech
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: [SCA Newcomers] Re: A&S projects?

Jeffs/William wrote:
> As for the scope: since the SCA is focused on pre-mumble
> civilization, anything after (at latest) 1650 will be a hard sell. . .

The start date for the S.C.A's core period is somewhat vaguely
defined. The end date is not. Anything from after 1600 is out of
period for us. That's clear in our organization's governing
documents <http://sca.org/docs/#govdocs>.

The use of the term "gray area" to define the first half of the 17th
century relates to the question of documentation. If you've got a
record of someone's marriage in 1610, you can argue that she must
have been alive, and could be presumed to have used the same given
name, in the last decade of the 16th century. If piece of equipment
was in widespread use across a couple of countries in 1620, you can
argue that it was probably invented at least two decades before, and
that it is therefore plausible as a late-16th-century tool.

But when you use information from the 17th century to support the use
of anything in the 16th, you're speculating. And speculation
(however well founded) is inferior to evidence. It should be used
sparingly, and only if an exhaustive search for better proof is
unsuccessful. If you're entering a judged A&S competition and
speculation is all you've got, should be prepared to lose points as a
consequence.

Coblatih Muimnech
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
<mailto:Coblaith@...>
<http://coblaith.net>

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> The start date for the S.C.A's core period is somewhat
> vaguely 
> defined.  The end date is not.  Anything from
> after 1600 is out of 
> period for us.  That's clear in our organization's
> governing 
> documents <http://sca.org/docs/#govdocs>.


Then how is it we justify Rapier combat?

A~

Quoth Lava Quod est Sordidium:
>
> > The start date for the S.C.A's core period is somewhat
> > vaguely=A0=20
> > defined.=A0 The end date is not.=A0 Anything from
> > after 1600 is out of=A0=20
> > period for us.=A0 That's clear in our organization's
> > governing=A0=20
> > documents <http://sca.org/docs/#govdocs>.
>
> Then how is it we justify Rapier combat?

By the fact that they were used in the 16th century.  The
term occurs in English as early as 1503-4, in the acts of
the treasurer of Scotland ("For gilt hilt and plomet to
the rappyer and ane new scheith to it"), and the OED s.v.
rapier contains many other 16th-century references.  The
word was in common enough parlance to have obtained a
metaphorical meaning by the end of the century; in the
sense of "aperson or thing likened to a rapier, esp. in
being swift, incisive, or dangerous", the word occurs as
early as 1592 ("After him followed two boies in clokes like
butterflies, carrieng one of them his cutting sword of
choller, the other his daunsing rapier of delight.")  The
comination of "rapier and dagger", to indicate cut-and-thrust
swordplay, dates from at least 1571 ("He profered to finishe
and end all controuersies, vppon condition that he would fight
the combat with him at the Rapier and Dagger.")

-Aryanhwy




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On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 06:56 -0700, Jeff Suzuki wrote:
> So:  a Newtonian reflector is not a good idea for an SCA A&S project
> (but the SCA is not the universe), since Newton isn't even born until
> 1642.  The Galilean refractor falls into the 1600-1650 area, but very
> close to the 1600 date (my recollection is 1604) and European, so I
> doubt anyone will question its appropriateness; you can bolster your
> case by finding references to telescopes pre-1600 (there are some
> Dutch references, but I don't remember them offhand).


We happen to have run an article recently on SCAtoday.net on this topic,
which links to a modern-world feature article. These two sources
themselves aren't deep enough for what is needed here, but they might
serve as a jumping-off point to other sources.

http://www.scatoday.net/node/13507

Kind regards,

Justin

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On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 21:42 +0000, Robert Bohler wrote:
> Specifically, I have a very keen interest in Astonomy, and was
> thinking of scratch building a telescope based upon those used by
> either Isaac Newton, Galileo or Copernicus.


It seems there is a fair amount of interest in the natural sciences of
the Middle Ages on this list. I myself am interested in this area as
well.

Would there be any interest in a SIG (Special Interest Group) list for
this topic?

I ask this because, as the owner and sysadmin of SCAtoday.net, I can
host email lists with no advertising or spammer harvesting of email
addresses. I'd be glad to put up an email list for this topic, if
there's enough interest from potential subscribers.

Anyone interested, please send an off-list email to my SCAtoday.net
address, publisher (at) scatoday (dot) net. If there's enough interest,
I'll set up the list and let the interested parties know how to access
it.

If there's no interest, that's okay. It costs nothing to ask the
question, though. :-)

Kind regards,

Justin

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Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two keys
fesswise reversed sable.

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I wrote:
> The start date for the S.C.A's core period is somewhat vaguely
> defined.  The end date is not.  Anything from after 1600 is out of
> period for us.  That's clear in our organization's governing
> documents <http://sca.org/docs/#govdocs>.

A~ asked:
> Then how is it we justify Rapier combat?

Well, Don Tivar Moondragon (one of the founding fathers of S.C.A.
rapier combat, and, like me, a proud resident of the Barony of Bryn
Gwlad) justifies it by saying, "The rapier developed in the mid-
fifteenth century, as an ornamental civilian sidearm that was
commonly worn by the upper and middle classes," and then citing
evidence of that fact <http://moondragon.info/wiki/
Rapier_Combat_and_the_Society_for_Creative_Anachronism>.  He goes on
to mention the multiple fencing manuals published in the 16th
century, beginning with Marozzo's 1517 _Il Duello_, illustrations
from which you can see at <http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~wew/fencing/
marozzo/marozzo_illus.html>.

There's at least one entire 16th-century fencing manual, complete
with illustrations, online:  _DiGrassi, His True Arte of Defence_
<http://www.cs.unc.edu/~hudson/digrassi/>, an English translation,
published in 1594, of his 1570 _Ragione di adoprar sicuramente
l'Arme, si da offesa come da difesa_.  Check it out.  If you've ever
seen rapier combat at an S.C.A. event, odds are you'll recognize a
few things.


Coblaith Muimnech
Barony of Bryn Gwlad
Kingdom of Ansteorra
<mailto:Coblaith@...>
<http://coblaith.net>

I'd be interested in such a group.

Jeffs/William the Alchymist

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Justinos Tekton called Justin <justin@...> wrote:

From: Justinos Tekton called Justin <justin@...>
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] A&S projects?
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:35 PM

















       On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 21:42 +0000, Robert Bohler wrote:

> Specifically, I have a very keen interest in Astonomy, and was

> thinking of scratch building a telescope based upon those used by

> either Isaac Newton, Galileo or Copernicus.



It seems there is a fair amount of interest in the natural sciences of

the Middle Ages on this list. I myself am interested in this area as

well.



Would there be any interest in a SIG (Special Interest Group) list for

this topic?



I ask this because, as the owner and sysadmin of SCAtoday.net, I can

host email lists with no advertising or spammer harvesting of email

addresses. I'd be glad to put up an email list for this topic, if

there's enough interest from potential subscribers.



Anyone interested, please send an off-list email to my SCAtoday.net

address, publisher (at) scatoday (dot) net. If there's enough interest,

I'll set up the list and let the interested parties know how to access

it.



If there's no interest, that's okay. It costs nothing to ask the

question, though. :-)



Kind regards,



Justin



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Maistor Justinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)

Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two keys

fesswise reversed sable.



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--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, Coblaith Muimnech <Coblaith@...> wrote:
>
> Jeffs/William wrote:
> > As for the scope:  since the SCA is focused on pre-mumble
> > civilization, anything after (at latest) 1650 will be a hard sell. . .
>
> The start date for the S.C.A's core period is somewhat vaguely
> defined.  The end date is not.  Anything from after 1600 is out of
> period for us.  That's clear in our organization's governing
> documents <http://sca.org/docs/#govdocs>.
>

True, although the specificity of that date is relatively recent...English
Country Dance (1651 and later) and some other things have been grandfathered.

I was in the process of writing a rather longer response to this ("Back when I
joined the SCA, period was set as 100 years before the present date..."), when I
realized there's actually two different types of A&S here.

First, reproducing something that existed in period: the Peacock dress, a suit
of armor.  For a reproduction, the 1600 date is a hard limit: you don't
reproduce something that existed after 1600 *as* a reproduction.

But there's a second category:  using period techniques to produce something
that could have existed.  This is most obvious in the intangible arts:  someone
who creates a new Italian dance or a sonnet is doing this.

Here the gray is a lot grayer.  For example, consider Pascal's adding machine
(1640).  It's 40 years post-period, but there's nothing about it that is
inherently non-period.  As da Vinci shows us, it's entirely possible to be
centuries ahead of your time; a couple of generations is nothing.

Personally, I give more credit to the latter, done properly (though at the same
time, you have to work harder to convince me that you *have* done it properly). 
It takes a great deal of skill to reproduce something.  It takes a great of
understanding to use create something that could have been done in period. 
Again, you have to convince me that you've done it properly:  it's not enough to
say X and Y existed in period, therefore XY did.  You have to convince me that
putting X and Y together would make sense to someone in period.

Jeffs/William the Alchymist

I'm looking for a leather merchant that sells full hides. My SCA group has one
but her is selling for really high prices. I was wondering if anyone might know
some one who sells at a low price.

> By the fact that they were used in the 16th century. 
> The
> term occurs in English as early as 1503-4, in the acts of
> the treasurer of Scotland ("For gilt hilt and plomet to
> the rappyer and ane new scheith to it"), and the OED s.v.
> rapier contains many other 16th-century references. 
> The
> word was in common enough parlance to have obtained a
> metaphorical meaning by the end of the century; in the
> sense of "aperson or thing likened to a rapier, esp. in
> being swift, incisive, or dangerous", the word occurs as
> early as 1592 ("After him followed two boies in clokes like
>
> butterflies, carrieng one of them his cutting sword of
> choller, the other his daunsing rapier of delight.") 
> The
> comination of "rapier and dagger", to indicate
> cut-and-thrust
> swordplay, dates from at least 1571 ("He profered to
> finishe
> and end all controuersies, vppon condition that he would
> fight
> the combat with him at the Rapier and Dagger.")
>
> -Aryanhwy


Interesting.
Is the OED the cite for all these quotes?

A~

On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:21 +0000, harden_garner wrote:
> I'm looking for a leather merchant that sells full hides. My SCA group
> has one but her is selling for really high prices.


Fur and leather are very expensive, partly because of the toxicity of
some of the chemicals used in commercial tanning and the disposal costs
thereof. I wish you luck, but don't be surprised if you aren't able to
find low prices.

I have bought from the Real Leather people at Pennsic several times. I
did a quick Google and didn't see a link for them offhand, so I'm not
sure if they have a web page or not. (Unfortunately, the term "real
leather" is also a generic description, so searching that gives a lot of
false positives.)

Justin

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Maistor Justinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two keys
fesswise reversed sable.

justin@...                              http://4th.com/sca/justin/

Quoth Lava Quod est Sordidium:
> > the rappyer and ane new scheith to it"), and the OED s.v.
> > rapier contains many other 16th-century references.=A0
>
> Is the OED the cite for all these quotes?

Yup.

-Aryanhwy


--
vita sine literis mors est
http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/

Hi Justin,
There were some fur merchants at Fools War.The prices were good. Maybe that
Shire would know who they were.

AElfwynn of Lynford




________________________________
From: Justinos Tekton called Justin <justin@...>
To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:19:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Leather Merch.





On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:21 +0000, harden_garner wrote:
> I'm looking for a leather merchant that sells full hides. My SCA group
> has one but her is selling for really high prices.

Fur and leather are very expensive, partly because of the toxicity of
some of the chemicals used in commercial tanning and the disposal costs
thereof. I wish you luck, but don't be surprised if you aren't able to
find low prices.

I have bought from the Real Leather people at Pennsic several times. I
did a quick Google and didn't see a link for them offhand, so I'm not
sure if they have a web page or not. (Unfortunately, the term "real
leather" is also a generic description, so searching that gives a lot of
false positives.)

Justin

--
()xxxx[]:::: ::::::::: :::::> <::::::::::: :::::::[] xxxx()
Maistor Justinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two keys
fesswise reversed sable.

justin@... http://4th.com/sca/justin/







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Hey all.

Assuming I have documentation, what do you think of the name Senshi for a
Japanese female? The surname (which comes first) is Kasai (also have
documentation).

Thanks!

Anyone know good books for period Japanese names?

~Sarah~

Hey thx for the help I went to Fools War and found a merchant with good prices.

--- In scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com, wendy brown <cas46per@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Justin,
> There were some fur merchants at Fools War.The prices were good. Maybe that
Shire would know who they were.
>
> AElfwynn of Lynford
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Justinos Tekton called Justin <justin@...>
> To: scanewcomers@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:19:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [SCA Newcomers] Leather Merch.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 13:21 +0000, harden_garner wrote:
> > I'm looking for a leather merchant that sells full hides. My SCA group
> > has one but her is selling for really high prices.
>
> Fur and leather are very expensive, partly because of the toxicity of
> some of the chemicals used in commercial tanning and the disposal costs
> thereof. I wish you luck, but don't be surprised if you aren't able to
> find low prices.
>
> I have bought from the Real Leather people at Pennsic several times. I
> did a quick Google and didn't see a link for them offhand, so I'm not
> sure if they have a web page or not. (Unfortunately, the term "real
> leather" is also a generic description, so searching that gives a lot of
> false positives.)
>
> Justin
>
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> Maistor Justinos Tekton called Justin (Scott Courtney)
> Gules, on a bezant a fleam sable and on a chief dovetailed Or two keys
> fesswise reversed sable.
>
> justin@... http://4th.com/sca/justin/
>
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>
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