--- In sca-jml@y..., Barbara Nostrand <nostrand@a...> wrote:
>I am working on a modest leaflet which
> will include a translation of Ryori Monogatari.

Well...when you're leaflet is done, please share!  I'd love to see
it. :)

--Raku

I'm sure you can find these online and especially in Little Toyko at
the bookstores in Downtown LA.  Shoot...I can't spell the big
bookstore inside the Mitsuwa (all the Yoahan Plazas were bought out
last year, I think), but I know Edward had the link to the huge
website...Edward?

If not, I'll try to get the website out of my old notes...somewhere.

--Raku


--- In sca-jml@y..., Ron Martino <yumitori@m...> wrote:
> Barbara Nostrand wrote:
> >
> > Noble Cousins!
> >
> > Greetings from Solveig! Does anyone know where I can get a copy of
> > Totoro on DVD with Japanse dialogue?
> >
> >                                         Your Humble Servant
> >                                         Solveig Thronardottir
> >                                         Amateur Scholar
>
>  Mind Chinese subtitles? There's no English/Japanese version
of Totoro
> on DVD, but there does exist Chinese/Japanese and (I think)
> Korean/Japanese versions. Check E-Bay. The problem will be that they
> won't play on a DVD player that only handles U.S. encoding (Region
I).
>
>  Yumitori
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--- In sca-jml@y..., Elaine Koogler <ekoogler@c...> wrote:
> I guess I may have misspoken...I did mean padded...not quilted, as
we think of it.
> Although...again I have read in one of my books on costuming, that
the Japanese were
> among one of the first cultures to do the piecework/patchwork as is
seen in modern
> western quilt tops!
>

You know, I was on Steffan's Florgium looking over quilt stuff, and I
think that europe was first with "crazy quilts".  It said in there
that crazy quilts were period, but I've NEVER seen any books or
anything else ever referrence quilting was period either.  Of course,
I only started to look at the stuff and not all that deeply (yet).

I have a book called "Omiyage" (I think) which is patchwork like
little bags.  It's mentioned that in period, the peasant class used
to make little bags (the size of marble bags) and give them as gifts
to their shogun/royality.  I'm not sure if this is the case or not
(Edward?) but the book is SO cool and has little bags that are in the
shape of flowers, birds, fish and all sorts of other sewing
projects.  I'm thinking of making some anyhow for gifts.  What the
heq, huh?  If they were period, it would be a PLUS for sure.

Sashiko, (yeah, I like sashiko) isn't period, but blackwork IS, and I
guess they both use the same sort of stitches.  It's very frustrating
to me that sashiko isn't period...I was hoping to make a sashiko
table setting with a traditional ceramic tea set for Caid's
Pentathlon in two years, but it isn't period.  WAH!!!!

--Raku

>  And you a Laurel. Well, you better get to cracking - you
better be
> fluent in a couple of months.
>
>  Yumitori,
>  who torments the Laurels in his area by telling newcomers
that they are
> masters of all arts by virtue of their peerage...

I was told that there is a "quickening" that happens when your a
Laurel, so when you get the bush, all of a sudden you know
EVERYTHING.  Just think if you could bottle that, you'd make a
fortune!

And call it "White Lightning."

tee-hee.

--Raku Mccloud of the clan Mccloud (just kidding)

Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig! I think it would be absolutely marvelous
for people to recreate Utari. The one problem is that they have
no written literature dating from our period. This makes them
more of a challenge. However, you should never let crypto-racism
keep you from pursuing an area in which you interested.

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Noble Cousin!

Need you have to ask? Silk of course. Proper silk is quite smooth.
Cotton, Linen, and Hemp were all used as well as ramie which is quite
ancient.

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>Hi all.
>
>I have a question about cloth. What does everyone use for their
>garb? Silk, cotton, hemp? What
>would be good for an upper middle class samurai family monkish
>persona? I really have no idea what
>I'm doing yet, been formulating for a year now and I'm narrowing. I
>want to start on my garb soon,
>but I'm not sure what I should get. I'd like silk, but that might be
>expensive. The only hemp
>cloth that I'm familiar with is very rough. Was cotton ever used?
>Breathability in summer is
>important since I mostly do summer things. Thanks.
>
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Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig! I have found fabric in fabric stores with
patterns that don't just "look" period, but ARE period in the
sense that I can find them in things like my tea dictionary. One
fine example was some American uppolstry (sp) fabric.

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Baron Edward!

Greetings from Solveig! I should mention that I have an entire book just
on how to write Japanese letters writing around here someplace. (I saw
it recently. Honest.) I suggest limiting the talk a bit so that it will
fit in an hour.

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Greetings Everyone!

I don't really sew well.  My mom sews great, but refuses to sew off
any pattern that isn't simplicity or one of those types of patterns
(even folkware she won't touch...it HAS to be printed and looking
very professional).  I want nice japanese female garb.  I'm tired of
wearing non-period men's kimono's because that's all I can do.

I do pottery.  I do JAPANESE pottery.  Maybe someone out there would
consider sewing me garb if I make you, say, a tea pot with some
matching tea bowls?  Or how about some period feast gear?  Huh?
Anyone?  Anyone? Bueler?

Please contact me privately if you're interested.  If you were at
Pennsic, you may have seen a traditional tea bowl I made for Edward.
I also do shino and oribewares!  And porcelain!  I think I might be
one of the only potters in the SCA that does porcelain japanese ware!
If you need pictures of some of the stuff I do, I can send some to
you.  Let me know.

Thanks for the bandwidth...sorry!

--Raku (Artemesia Serena, potter of Caid)

Sorry about my ignorance, I just am not very familiar with Japanese
clothing.  Ok, well, I have a pattern for the hakama and the kosode, so I
think I should be set, correct?  As for the being in a hurry bit; yeah, I
kind of am.  I just like to get the intiative to do things or I won't end up
doing it.  I figure if I get the patterns, the fabric (which will be no
problem), and the time to do it, I should be set.

The last question before I decide to stop being a nuisance, is what kind of
footwear should I get for a Muromachi era samurai and where and how can I
get it?  I think that is around the time that I would like my persona to be.

Kugesue

On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Erin Kelly wrote:

> But what's up with the general lack of hats in Japanese garb?  In other
> historical costume, those of us with inexorably modern hair can usually
> cover it up completely and look quite normal, but not so much in
> Japanese.

Well, that depends on gender, to some extent.  Men have all sorts of hats
they can wear to cover up the lack of certain hairstyles that would get
rather odd looks today.  Still, if I could go back to Touhei Eiga Mura and
get one of those wigs (assuming I could find one that would fit).  Would
probably still have to get contacts or something for the eyes.  I don't
know if there are any records of blue-eyed Japanese or not.

On the other hand, if you are willing to go into the make-up then I don't
think a wig would look all that out of place for women, since the hair was
longer than most people wear it today.  I have seen pictures of people
doing this remarkably well.

I don't think it is a requirement so much as a 'touch', however.

-Ii

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Anthony Thompson wrote:

> The last question before I decide to stop being a nuisance, is what kind of
> footwear should I get for a Muromachi era samurai and where and how can I
> get it?  I think that is around the time that I would like my persona to be.

I've seen alot of bare feet in pictures, but you probably want something
in this day and age.

Tabi are a good start.  You can purchase these from various
places--martial arts suppliers might have something for you, and I'm sure
there are other commercial and modern versions.  However, be warned that
many modern models are slightly different in how they close, from what I
understand.  Looking at some of the older ones, they seemed to tie in
front, rather than a clasp in back.  I must admit to using modern ones
myself; for one, the plastic sole is a little bit nicer on certain types
of terrain (it didn't freeze to the ice outside in AK) and wears down
slower.  On the other hand, I'm planning to make myself a good period set
as soon as I can fit it in to all my other projects.

Now, besides that you will also probably want some waraji.  These are
straw sandals.  Actually, I need to get some straw and make myself some
new ones; this would be a great 'classrooom' at an event.  The problem
with waraji is noted in the fact that the warriors would often measure
distance by how many pairs of sandals you went through.  People who wear
waraji get used to making lots of them.

Finally, there are the various geta--the high wooden clog-sandals.  I like
them because they keep me out of the mud and, unlike waraji, I don't have
to repair them quite as often.  They are also supposed to be good for
toughening up your feet and helping you with your balance.  With the right
tools you can make one pair out of a block of wood (the risers interlock,
using as much of the wood as possible).  However, you can also cheat in
various methods.  Gluing the risers on is one way, although you will
probably want some extra support of very good glue.  Also, you can set a
table saw to a certain depth, and cut away the parts you don't want on a
fairly thick board.  This wastes a lot of wood, however, and I don't
prefer it.

You can make the geta with either two risers or one.  It seems that they
were more often the footwear of monks; I'm not sure why.  I imagine that a
warrior would want to have his feet more firmly planted on the ground so
as to be more mobile in case of a sudden attack.  While there are several
paintings I can think of depicting people accomplishing amazing feats in
geta I think that the fact they are wearing them is part of the 'amazing'
bit.

Then there are what appear to be a fabric boot in Heian times.  I haven't
looked into this as much as I want to.

Well, I'm sure someone will correct me.

-Ii

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Anthony J. Bryant wrote:

> Well, properly, the only thing worn over armour is a jinbaori, or perhaps a
> monk's robe if you're a monk. Sometimes people who were really erai* wore
their
> armour under a hitatare, but that was late sengoku and very rare.
>
> *hoity-toity, high-falutin', important and famous

We don't know anyone who's done this, do we?  *thinks back to a certain
picture of one heckuvan erai hito*

;)

-Ii, ne?

> Well, properly, the only thing worn over armour is a jinbaori, or perhaps a
> monk's robe if you're a monk. Sometimes people who were really erai* wore
their
> armour under a hitatare, but that was late sengoku and very rare.

Speaking of jinbaori, I did make one, but I wasn't sure how big it should
be and am afraid I might have made it too big.  How far down should it
reach?  I tried to take the picture and assume that the panels were
somewhere between 15" and 20" and then extrapolated from there, so I kept
the general dimensions, but might have made it a size too large, even for
me.

-Ii

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001 mneumark@... wrote:

> supplies, site tokens, insurance, the site itself, etc).  Whether or
> not our Barony feels like doing it just for 40, however, is another
> story.  Dates for events are hard to get in Caid and we want well
> attended events (like above 70) to get the most bang for the buck (do
> you know what I mean?).

I'm just a poor bushi trying to make his way in the capital, but it seems
to me that if you know that the event is going to be small, and there are
some dedicated people, then maybe you could ask for a dispensation--it's
not like you have all that many people to take away from the main event.

Then again, switching hats, if you do this, then others will want to do it
until all you have are a bunch of little events.  Sigh.

-Ii

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From: mneumark@... <mneumark@...>
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Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: [SCA-JML] Trade Pots for Garb

Greetings Everyone!

I don't really sew well.  My mom sews great, but refuses to sew off
any pattern that isn't simplicity or one of those types of patterns
(even folkware she won't touch...it HAS to be printed and looking
very professional).  I want nice japanese female garb.  I'm tired of
wearing non-period men's kimono's because that's all I can do.

I do pottery.  I do JAPANESE pottery.  Maybe someone out there would
consider sewing me garb if I make you, say, a tea pot with some
matching tea bowls?  Or how about some period feast gear?  Huh? 
Anyone?  Anyone? Bueler?

Please contact me privately if you're interested.  If you were at
Pennsic, you may have seen a traditional tea bowl I made for Edward. 
I also do shino and oribewares!  And porcelain!  I think I might be
one of the only potters in the SCA that does porcelain japanese ware!
If you need pictures of some of the stuff I do, I can send some to
you.  Let me know.

Thanks for the bandwidth...sorry!

--Raku (Artemesia Serena, potter of Caid)



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Greetings, all!

Thanks to Ii-dono, whom I met at Atlantia's most recent Coronation,my
husband and I have finally joined this most estimable group of Japanophiles.
I've been lurking shyly until now, but felt I should finally introduce
myself.

My name is Sakakiya Maroe, and I live in Atlantia. I am a Momoyama lady,
married to Takenoshita Naro, and protege of Minowara Kiritsubo. I've
maintained a dual SCA persona-half Irish, half Nihonjin-since 1983. All of
my friends are very confused. I figure it's good for their brains.

I have a question, mostly for Effingham-dono. For years I've been trying to
find out the proper way to refer to myself, as a married lady. (And, yes, we
did have a Japanese SCA wedding, complete with the nine sips of sake; big
fun!) Do I use my husband's surname? (It tends to make heralds sputter, as
they do not know how to pronounce it without sounding, um, vulgar.) Do I add
a no-Takenoshita to my own name? I've found about nine different answers to
this question, but none of them really satisfied me, as they were not based
on sources I could check myself. (Although I don't think I ever bothered to
ask Kiri-dono-silly me-because we're usually too busy talking about garb!)

For any help you can offer me, I thank you in advance.

-Maroe (which is what most people call me)

Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig! Are you willing to make pottery from pictures
that I send you? For that matter, I may even to arrange to send glaze
to you as well.

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Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig! You generally speaking do not refer to yourself
by name at all. That is someone else's job. Historical women are
referred to in many different ways. You might easily be referred to
simply as Naro no Tsuma. Presuming that your husband is of sufficient
status, you might be referred to as Maroe-gozen. If you wish to engage
in nanori, then you should probably declare your lineage such as your
relationship with your husband and your own origin. Since ancient
times, this was often done discretely using calling cards. Some books on
Japan erroneously insist that calling cards were introduced from the
United States. They actually had a precursor used by the Kuge (court
aristocracy) during the Heian period. Only the modern format was
introduced from the United States.


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Is there a primary source for the "Colors for a Court Lady's Dress"
that in translated in Dalby's Kimono, Fashioning Culture?  I would
also accept another English translation to verify Dalby's work.  I'd
like to enter my 12th Night outfit in our 12th Night "dressed to
excess" contest, but I've been told that a single English translation
is not enough documentation.
Nadeshiko

Konbanwa all,

Here's a question to all of you, it may sound stupid but here goes:

What is a daito?

I know what a katana, tashi and daigatana are but what the ~!@# is a daito?

domo for answering,

Sayonara,

-Shimaha.

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Barbara Nostrand wrote:

> times, this was often done discretely using calling cards. Some books on
> Japan erroneously insist that calling cards were introduced from the
> United States. They actually had a precursor used by the Kuge (court
> aristocracy) during the Heian period. Only the modern format was
> introduced from the United States.

Hey, you should know better than to dagle something like that in front of
us ;)  Details, please!

What kinds of cards were these?   Were they strictly for the kuge?  Were
they actual paper cards?  Where are the references?

This is really interesting.

-Ii

On Fri, 2001-09-28 at 12:08, Don Luby wrote:
>
>   Sure.  This the reason i have some linen stuff; being at Pennsic for
> the first week this year, when the daily high heat index did not get
> below 105, made me wear very little silk that week.
>
105 is nice and cool.  Anything below 100 and it's time to get out the
winter parka.  East coasters are such wimps when it comes to heat.  :)
Course.. not every one can have the luxury of living in Atenveldt :)
*LOL*
Breathability is what you're looking for.  I've seen some interesting
articles about the types of things the Arabs wear, and in general black
doesn't really have much difference over white in terms of the surface
temp of the skin.  It will, of course, be hotter to the touch on the
outside then white.
Light weight layers are also a good thing.  The outer layer keeps the
sweat and moisture closer to the skin, which in turn keeps things much
cooler.  I have found, oddly enough, that with a light weight suit coat
on I am actually somewhat cooler then if I had just the shirt on.
Especially once I start sweating just a bit.  I've applied this to my
garb, and it works quite well.  The key is light weight cloth, such as
cotton.  The lighter the better.  You're trying to keep the moisture
next to the skin with the layers, not so much building an air pocket
like you are with winter clothes.  Some air movement is a good thing.
You just want that under layer to soak up the perspiration from your
body, and the outer layer to keep it from evaporating as fast.
I have actually been chilled slightly in 110 with this strategy.
Weirded me out.  A little breeze blew up, and my back got realy cold for
a moment from the moisture in the cloth.
Also, the more water you drink, the cooler you stay.  The more water in
your system, the more you can sweat.  The more you sweat the cooler your
skin temp.  However, avoid drinking only water.  Water and
Gatorade/Powerade/etc is a good combination.  You can actually poison
youself with to much water.  If you drink straight water you end up
washing out all the electrolytes from your body.  Which means that you
are washing out your bodies ability to carry nerve impulses.  This is
the way it was explained to us when we took a fighter to the e-room
cause she had collapsed.  There may be a better technical description,
but that's the one the docs gave us.
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HAAAAA!

Now that makes sense!

DOMO!

-Shimaha.

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Nadeshiko Hime!

Greetings from Solveig! Didn't you check out the colour charts when I had
them up?

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Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig! Re-hydration can be accomplished with dilute
orange juice, grapefruit juice, or similar drink for less money than
those gateraide concoctions. What the body needs to maintain is
sodium and potasium. These are the two principle electrolytes involved
in nerve firing. Sodium is available in common table salt. Potasium
can be found in lots of ordinary things like bananas.

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Noble Cousins!

Here again are the textile colours, colour combinations, and patterns
commonly talked about in Heian period monogatari literature.

http://nostrab2.potsdam.edu/textiles/index.html

Please remember that New Year is is the first day of Spring and fall
either in late January or Early February. Fall, began in late August
when the evenings started to be cool. As far as Heian Japanese are
concerned, Fall is almost over.

					 Your Humble Servant
					 Solveig Throndardottir
					 Amateur Scholar
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