I was wondering if anyone knew where I can get a hold of bamboo or
rattan, either whole or in strips.  Either that or if anyone can help
direct me to a place that sells fiberglass yumi.  I'm really not sure
how to make a kyudo bow, so I'll either need a lot of material or a
shop to buy one from.  The cheapest I found a fiberglass one online
is about $370.

Thanks.

-Luis Torrefranca
(Pittsburgh, PA)

Confucius wrote:

>
>      > Welcome to the madhouse! What are you studying in terms of
>      history?
>
>      Um, thanks... ;).  I'm focusing on late 19th/early 20th c.
>      and Colonial America.  Of course, then there's my SCA focus
>      on 12th c. Spain, which (with the help of this noble list :)
>      I hope to expand to include 16th c. Japan.
>

Okay, a history junkie.  Cool.

>
>      >> Or what about "Hadaka no Semi" (naked cicada) so it LOOKS
>      like
>      >> a regular name, but isn't...I think Semi would get a kick
>      out of that. :)
>
>      > Well, it's different. <G>
>
>      I have just been contacted by a wonderful lady in the aspect
>      of names.  Apparently, as a Zen monk, I shall soon be
>      choosing two hoomyoo names.  Any recommendations for
>      sources?
>
>
Ah, Ly. Solveig got ya. <G> Any particular reason you're going with TWO
houmyou?

>
>      > Well, you don't have to be blind, but it helps. If you
>      want to buy a biwa, I
>      > hope you've got bucks. I've got a catalogue from a company
>      that sells 'em
>      > (among a pile of other things), and in 1988 it cost
>      480,000 yen. Back then,
>      > that was about $5,000.
>
>      Blast it, that's what I was afraid of.  Oh well for that,
>      unless I miraculously stumble upon a really cheap one.
>

It occurs to me that there have to be cheaper models. Heck, what do
student's learn on? The really cheap-cheap ones will probably start
around $800 or so, I'd imagine. Twenty years ago, I bought a student's
koto, and THEN I paid $500 for it. A big reason for the cost is the
scarcity of the thing; very few people learn biwa. You'd probably have
to go to Japan to do it, but if you did I could probably hook you up.

Effingham

I found this on the Internet (while I should have been reading about T.
Jefferson and the opening of the American West ;), but unfortunately there
are no dates, and no kanji or kana!  Anybody have any comments?
http://www.ciolek.com/WWWVLPages/ZenPages/ZenNames.html

Is there a way to construct one's own hoomyoo?  And, do I actually need two?

Health attend you,
Nameless Person
--------------------------------------------------
Qu'er non es grazitz lunhs mestiers
menhs en cort que de belh saber
de trobar -- qu'auzir e vezer
hi vol hom mais captenhs leugiers
e critz mesclatz ab dezonor.

                 --Guiraut Riquier, 1292

Confucius wrote:

>
>
>
>      > 'Fraid not. My sources indicate that the shamisen started
>      appearing in
>      > Japan in "early Edo" -- which is typically defined as
>      anywhere from 1610
>      > to 1680. If it were before 1610, they usually say
>      "Momoyama - early
>      > Edo." And the shamisen wasn't an accepted "court
>      instrument," either, no
>      > more than the banjo is typically found in an orchestra. It
>      was very much
>      > a commoner instrument, and more or less took the place of
>      the biwa as a
>      > joururi instrument.
>
>      Ah, okay.  Well, any other possibilities for a 16th c.
>      stringed instrument (not as expensive as the biwa) that I've
>      overlooked?
>

Given any thought to the fue or shakuhachi? They're a heck of a lot more
portable... 'Course, you can't sing *and* play... There's the koto, but
you have more issues to deal with in terms of lugging the thing around
and tuning it each time you play. That's primarily why I gave up the
koto, although there are times I wish I'd've stayed with it.

>
>      > The jabisen arrived in Okinawa or Japan sometime c. 1570,
>      and was
>      > modified between 1595 and 1625 into the shamisen, and then
>      started to
>      > gain popularity in Japan proper.
>
>      Wait--so, might I be safe with the Chinese version, then (it
>      arrived in Japan ca. 1570?)?  Or would nobody have had those
>      in "Japan proper" until it became the shamisen?
>

If you can find a jabisen.

If you want to do shamisen, I think you have to give up the idea of
being a monk. Shamisen didn't really make it early on as a monastic
instrument; the tradition of the biwa was far too strong. If you *must*
get a shamisen, develop an entertainer persona, as these would have been
the folks popularizing it.

>
>      > Personally, I like shamisen, but they are quintessentially
>      Edo
>      > intstruments, and I'm just as annoyed by the thought of a
>      shamisen at an
>      > event as I am a modern-style guitar (which is also far too
>      common in the
>      > SCA).
>
>      Yes, I know your pain.  Guitars still annoy me, but
>      unfortunately I've been numbed to almost-indifference by
>      people playing modern violin.  However, I still have a
>      crusade against obviously post-period folk songs.  Where I
>      am, nobody save myself performs actual medieval music...all
>      folk songs, and 17th c. stuff at best.  I once heard some
>      ladies perform a badly-pronounced Arabic "tribal folk song"
>      in 5-part harmony...Oh, how I cringed.
>
>      >
>      >> (as a side note, Japanese folk singing is so hard to get
>      right!  Has
>      >> anybody had any luck?)
>
>      > Some, yes. The tone waver problem is tough, as is singing
>      like I have a
>      > head cold. <G>
>
>      Yes! :)  I have a lot of trouble getting Italian styles,
>      too.  But you've had some luck?  Any tips?
>      So, are you a musician?
>

No, I just spent a lot of time in bars singing enka. And I have some
friends (well, had... I've not been in contact for a while...sigh) who
are Noh performers, and who showed me lots of cool tricks. Don't ask how
long it took me to learn just to *walk* for Noh. And it's been like 10
years, so of course I've forgotten it all and wasted yet another cool
thing I once knew how to do. That sux, b'lieve me.

No, I'm not a musician. Not a singer, either, as you'd know if you'd
ever been in Usami when I had the mike. <G>

Effingham

michael A wrote:

> WOW!!!!
>
> What can i say but thank you. after having finished
> reading it i now have a whole load of projects to
> start. the level of detail you went into was amazing.
>

Thank you. Armour is my bread and butter. Armour and garb. And onomastics.
Okay, Japanese things are my various breads and butters. (1) I'm quite
passionate about J. armour.

>
> Idefinately agree that books and reading are the most
> crucial tools, but adding a work like this to those
> books and pictures is invaluable.

Yet so many armourers never crack a book...

>
>  I can only hope the work it inspires will do your
> effort justice. ill try to show you what i have done
> at war.

I appreciate it. I always like to see what people who've read my stuff are
doing.


Effingham
(1) Anyone ever seen "What's Up, Tiger Lily?"

Andrea Gideon wrote:

> >
> >
> > How are you defining geisha make-up? White-face, or the whole nine yards?
> >
> > Heian style was definitely not Edo geisha style; white-face, yes, but the
> > eyebrows were plucked and painted on high on the forehead (giving one the
> > perpetual "who, me?" look).
> >
> > Effingham
>
> The one in particular,a women's site linked from an SCA household site, had
> the full modern giesha, with tiny red lips and red eyeshadow over heavy black
> eyeliner.

The little lips bit is okay; the rest of it is... well, creative.


Effingham

Hi Luis!

On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 echo@... wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone knew where I can get a hold of bamboo or
> rattan, either whole or in strips.

   I assume you've done moderately good web searches for sameand
haven't foudn quite what you're looking for?
   If you want, I could let you know the next time we're doing an order
(for rattan), which should be some ti later in the spring and could
include you in it; going rate for "weapons grade" rattan these days
comes to about $2/ft after shipping, so a 10' staff will run you about
$20.  I could arrange a drop in town somewhere, or you could just drop
by fighting practice (same time and place).
   Or, you could order from H. H. Perkins (www.hhperkins.com) yourself.

> Either that or if anyone can help direct me to a place that sells
> fiberglass yumi.  I'm really not sure how to make a kyudo bow, so
> I'll either need a lot of material or a shop to buy one from.

   It's very arcane, I can tell you that; there's a fairly close
acquaintance of mine (I don't think I really know him well enough to
consider him a friend) who makes all sorts of bows, though he
specializes in yumi, and from what I've gotten in talking with him
it's much harder than you might expect, especially when you haven't
fully considered its asymmetry and the different materials used in
laminate.  And, as I understand it, the bamboo should really cure for
some extended period of time before being made into a bow, though not
as long as for arrows, which I believe should be left to cure for
deacdes before being used.

> The cheapest I found a fiberglass one online is about $370.

   Asahi America (http://www.kyudo.com/asahiam-yumi.html) for $315, and
the prices go up from there (carbon resin ones are about the same
price, but bamboo  are twice that and more).
   Also, if you're actually planning on doing kyudo, rather than
western archery with a yumi, there are a few other things which you'll
need, specifically the gloves (which run $170+) and unusually long
arrows (approx 1 m for someone your size).

> Thanks.
>
> -Luis Torrefranca
> (Pittsburgh, PA)


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djl@...                                           Yama-kaminari-ryu
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> > The one in particular,a women's site linked from an SCA household
site, had
> > the full modern giesha, with tiny red lips and red eyeshadow over
heavy black
> > eyeliner.
>
> The little lips bit is okay; the rest of it is... well, creative.

What!?!?!?!  I go off list for a few days and this is what happens?
Oh my...

I know this has already been covered and put to rest.  Thank you
Nadeshiko-hime for asking the question in the first place.  Good eyes!

Since I first started doing Japanese re-enactment, I have been
flabbergasted at the amount of modern and pre-modern (i.e. 19th
century) garb and effects that get paraded around the SCA
as "Japanese".  Well, sure these things are Japanese.  But they are
about as "Period" as jeans and a T-shirt.

Just because Japan has many traditions in their culture does not mean
all (or even any) of those traditions wer born in antiquity.  Modern
hakama are not period hakama.  Modern kimono are not period kosode.
And wearing one's hair up with "chopsticks" came around in the 18th
century.

If you were a Western persona, you wouldn't walk into an event in a
business suit, would you?

The fact that this information on "Japanese persona makeup" is out
there on an SCA-linked website makes my skin crawl.  Now wonder
the "main stream" SCA often thinks we're just a bunch of karate-movie
and anime-watching farbs...

Fujiwara no Aoi
disgusted

Confucius wrote:

> I moderate a few groups, and I got some notices in the email in
> December...Are you subscribed to the eGroups Moderator announcement
> list?
>
> Health attend you,
> Nameless Person

Yes, but I haven't gotten anything from that list since before
Christmas.

Andrea

Found some of the instruments you've been speaking about at Lark in
the Morning (
http://www.larkinthemorning.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/japa
n )

Full sized 6' traditional Koto $850.00
Portable Mini 34" Koto $875.00
Full sized instrument of traditional koto wood with 13 Tetlon
strings. $2000.00

(Bamboo, beginner quality)
Basic Shakuhachi SHK023 $65.00
Good Student Shakuhachi SHK001 $155.00

(Wood, better quality, but not traditional bamboo)
$320 and up

Ioriya Takara



>
> Given any thought to the fue or shakuhachi? They're a heck of a lot
more

heathergray@... wrote:

> Found some of the instruments you've been speaking about at Lark in
> the Morning (
> http://www.larkinthemorning.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/japa
> n )
>
>

I love those people!


Note that though they don't have a biwa, they *do* have a pipa, which is
the Chinese form of a biwa, and the modern sanxian (a cousin of the
shamisen).

http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/LarkNet/China

Student model pipa is $299! Gotta love Chinese products. <G>

Effingham

On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 historian@... wrote:

> The fact that this information on "Japanese persona makeup" is out
> there on an SCA-linked website makes my skin crawl.  Now wonder
> the "main stream" SCA often thinks we're just a bunch of karate-movie
> and anime-watching farbs...

But I like watching karate-movies and anime! ;)

> Fujiwara no Aoi
> disgusted

Actually, I completely agree.  My question, though, is how to tell people
in a polite manner.  I can't tell you how many well-intentioned people
have come up to me to show me how it's done and thrown the infamous
'Folkwear' pattern in my face.  I need to find some polite way of telling
them that they are mistaken in a way that won't have them go 'oh, he's
just a period-n@$!*, those people are just there to ruin our fun.'  Any
tips would be helpful.

Of course, we could also fight fire with fire and start wearing 18th and
19th century European clothes to the Western events.  Hey, it's European,
isn't it?


-Ii Saburou

*PSRant: Personally, I find any mention of a 'period-nazi' an offensive
term anyway.  For one, it draws its power and image from a horrendous act
and seems to trivialize the Nazi attrocities by using them as almost a
joke.  Second of all, we don't need words that create more stereotypes for
people to use as labels and excuses.  If someone is rude, we have a word
for that; we call them a rude person.

> If you can find a jabisen.

What do they look like?  I have seen the sanxian, and the vietnamese one, but...

> If you want to do shamisen, I think you have to give up the idea of
> being a monk. Shamisen didn't really make it early on as a monastic
> instrument; the tradition of the biwa was far too strong. If you *must*
> get a shamisen, develop an entertainer persona, as these would have been
> the folks popularizing it.

That sounds good, but I really would like a monk persona.  However, wouldn't it be interesting to be a No female-impersonator?  Or a male prostitute?  I have a (female) friend who's a 16th c. Florentine courtesan... ;)

> No, I just spent a lot of time in bars singing enka. And I have some
> friends (well, had... I've not been in contact for a while...sigh) who
> are Noh performers, and who showed me lots of cool tricks. Don't ask how
> long it took me to learn just to *walk* for Noh. And it's been like 10
> years, so of course I've forgotten it all and wasted yet another cool
> thing I once knew how to do. That sux, b'lieve me.

OH no!  That does sound really cool!  It would be neat to have a No actor persona... :)

> No, I'm not a musician. Not a singer, either, as you'd know if you'd
> ever been in Usami when I had the mike. <G>

he he :)

Health attend you,

heathergray@... wrote:

> Found some of the instruments you've been speaking about at Lark in
> the Morning (
> http://www.larkinthemorning.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/Larknet/japa
> n )
>
>

I love those people!


Note that though they don't have a biwa, they *do* have a pipa, which is
the Chinese form of a biwa, and the modern sanxian (a cousin of the
shamisen).

http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/LarkNet/China

Student model pipa is $299! Gotta love Chinese products. <G>

Effingham





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Stephen Higa wrote:

> Ah yes, Lark in the Morning!  So--what do you think about the pipa or
> sanxian for a substitute?
>

I'd go with the pipa.


Effingham

How many of the Chinese intruments can be used in Japanese cultural stuff?
I liked some of the bowed instruments that are mroe affordable :D. $70 some
and sounds nice
Pocy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
To: <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Re: greetings! - instruments at Lark in the Morning


> Stephen Higa wrote:
>
> > Ah yes, Lark in the Morning!  So--what do you think about the pipa or
> > sanxian for a substitute?
> >
>
> I'd go with the pipa.
>
>
> Effingham
>
>
>
>
>
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schneider wrote:

> How many of the Chinese intruments can be used in Japanese cultural stuff?
> I liked some of the bowed instruments that are mroe affordable :D. $70 some
> and sounds nice

The pipa is really the only one of the stringed instruments with a direct
analogue to something in Period Japan.

Regardless, there's the problem of learning to play the bloody thing....


Effingham

Don Luby wrote:

>
>   Asahi America (http://www.kyudo.com/asahiam-yumi.html) for $315, and
> the prices go up from there (carbon resin ones are about the same
> price, but bamboo  are twice that and more).
>   Also, if you're actually planning on doing kyudo, rather than
> western archery with a yumi, there are a few other things which you'll
> need, specifically the gloves (which run $170+) and unusually long
> arrows (approx 1 m for someone your size).

One further note -- you should *not* try to teach yourself kyudo. It was six
months before I could even touch a bow.

And of more importance than the bow itself is a good fitting, well-made yugake.
That should be your first purchase as you can't shoot without one.

Effingham

What about the Erhu?I kinda got a liknig for it
Pocy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
To: <sca-jml@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SCA-JML] Re: greetings! - instruments at Lark in the Morning


> schneider wrote:
>
> > How many of the Chinese intruments can be used in Japanese cultural
stuff?
> > I liked some of the bowed instruments that are mroe affordable :D. $70
some
> > and sounds nice
>
> The pipa is really the only one of the stringed instruments with a direct
> analogue to something in Period Japan.
>
> Regardless, there's the problem of learning to play the bloody thing....
>
>
> Effingham
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>

On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Anthony J. Bryant wrote:

> Don Luby wrote:
>
>>
>>   Asahi America (http://www.kyudo.com/asahiam-yumi.html) for $315, and
>> the prices go up from there (carbon resin ones are about the same
>> price, but bamboo  are twice that and more).
>>   Also, if you're actually planning on doing kyudo, rather than
>> western archery with a yumi, there are a few other things which you'll
>> need, specifically the gloves (which run $170+) and unusually long
>> arrows (approx 1 m for someone your size).
>
> One further note -- you should *not* try to teach yourself kyudo. It
> was six months before I could even touch a bow.

   Sure.  OTOH, since there is (as far as I can tell) no place to
really learn kyudo within 250+ miles of Pittsburgh, what would you
suggest as a feasible and reasonable alternative?

> And of more importance than the bow itself is a good fitting,
> well-made yugake.  That should be your first purchase as you can't
> shoot without one.

   Also true; even after taking measurements and whatnot at Pennsic,
the yugake ordered for me was a little too small and had to be
exchanged for a larger size.

> Effingham


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djl@...                                           Yama-kaminari-ryu
Pittsburgh, PA                                     Debatable Lands, AEthelmearc

> But I like watching karate-movies and anime! ;)

Well, yeah, me too, Ii-dono.  But a place for everything...

> Actually, I completely agree.  My question, though, is how to tell
people
> in a polite manner.  I can't tell you how many well-intentioned
people
> have come up to me to show me how it's done and thrown the infamous
> 'Folkwear' pattern in my face.  I need to find some polite way of
telling
> them that they are mistaken in a way that won't have them go 'oh,
he's
> just a period-n@$!*, those people are just there to ruin our fun.'
Any
> tips would be helpful.

I have this problem all the time.  I mean, what do you say to someone
who is wearing a modern kimono and obi and chopsticks in her
hair?  "You stupid woman!  Open a book!" just doesn't have the
desired effect...  ;)

Once I was struggling to get through a narrow path between Western
tables and a well-intentioned lady said to me, "You should kick your
kimono out of your way, my dear.  Have you never worn proper
kimono?"  I can only hope that my whiteface covered the fact that I
was red with anger!  But I recognized that she was well-intentioned
and I ingored her ignorance.

When I encounter people who are uninformed or misinformed, the first
thing I evaluate is "are they worth saving?"  Some people just want
to spout their "knowledge" and it really doesn't matter to them if
they're right or wrong.  The answer to this type is, "Thank you,
milord.  I will keep that in mind."

But sometimes you will meet someone who is asking the right questions
or strikes you as having an open mind.  With that person, you
say, "You know, the Folkwear patterns are actually a modern design.
Let me explain to you the differences between modern and period
Japanese clothing."

Some people want to argue (that's what I start quoting, "Well Baron
Master Edward of Effingham says...").  Some people want to learn.  I
think our job is to educate the ones who want to learn.  The people
who want to be jerks... let 'em.

> Of course, we could also fight fire with fire and start wearing
18th and
> 19th century European clothes to the Western events.  Hey, it's
European,
> isn't it?

As much as I'd love the reactions we'd get <GRIN>, it would only
serve one purpose -- to prove to people that we are not interested in
being SCA period-accurate at all, therefore reinforcing their bias
against us.  Great visual though!  =)

> *PSRant: Personally, I find any mention of a 'period-nazi' an
offensive
> term anyway.  For one, it draws its power and image from a
horrendous act
> and seems to trivialize the Nazi attrocities by using them as
almost a
> joke.  Second of all, we don't need words that create more
stereotypes for
> people to use as labels and excuses.  If someone is rude, we have a
word
> for that; we call them a rude person.

I concurr.  I offended you, Ii-dono, I apologize.  I use the word to
indicate what people sometimes say about me (mistakenly, of course).
Personally, I consider myself an "authenticist".  I generally don't
care if anyone else wants to be authentic or not.  But I encourage
authenticity wherever I go and I reward it whenever I see it.  And if
people are giving out bad information, I do my best to stop them and
give out good information instead.  But frankly, if everyone was
running around in period-perfect Japanese, who would even know who I
was?  =)

Kass
aka Fujiwara no Aoi

In a message dated 2/8/01 4:12:28 AM Central Standard Time,
sca-jml@yahoogroups.com writes:

> Just because Japan has many traditions in their culture does not mean
>  all (or even any) of those traditions wer born in antiquity.  Modern
>  hakama are not period hakama.  Modern kimono are not period kosode.


Now you have me worried.  I'm not a real stickler for authenticity, but I do
try to do the best I can.  I am currently working on the Japanese man's
pattern from Costume Connection, is this period?  you can see a picture of
the front here:
  <A
HREF="http://www.sewingcentral.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=ccj01m

.html&cart_id=3392494.27729">Costume Connection CCJ01M: Man's Japanese Kimono
& Hakama</A>

I am doing it for my man, because he can't sew, and also isn't into studying
history, he just likes Japanese armor and weaponry.  Any tips on doing this
pattern would be helpful, such as type of fabric, accesories, that sort of
thing.  Right now I am doing it in a very plain dark blue inexpensive cotton.
  I realize linens and silks are better, but for now, it's the cheap route.  I
have about three yards of a patterned blue fabric I thought about using for
the collar and belt, would that be totally wrong?  My biggest problem right
now is finding patterned fabrics that might work for him.  He also wants to
try some block printing on plain fabric, has anyone got some tips on doing
that?  We saw some neat block printing in Kagemusha, but we aren't sure how
it was done.

Gilia Bonifazio (also known as fuzzy bunny slippers.)
Glaedenfeld, Meridies

On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 jfazio6634@... wrote:

> Now you have me worried.  I'm not a real stickler for authenticity, but I do
> try to do the best I can.  I am currently working on the Japanese man's
> pattern from Costume Connection, is this period?  you can see a picture of
> the front here:

It's kind of hard to tell from the picture given; it would be easier to
see with an actual copy of the pattern or at least someone wearing it.

It doesn't appear to have the stiff backing that many modern hakama
employ.  If it does, you could probably remove it and it would be alright.
others more knowledgable than I may know better, however.

As for the upper garment, it appears to be just one, rather than an over
and undershirt.  Once again, without seeing a pattern or a copy of the
finished product it is so hard to judge these things.  I hope others can
be of more help.

You can also look at Hiraizumi-dono's hitatare example in the files
section at groups.yahoo.com and look at that.

>  I realize linens and silks are better, but for now, it's the cheap route.  I

The first thing I did was with cotton.  It is this horrendous greenish
pile of fabric (although I'm still proud of it, to a point).  Silk is
_not_ that expensive, though.  I just bought some from
www.silkconnection.com and am so looking forward to the change.  Not only
was it comparable in price to the cotton, but it is much lighter and I can
already tell that it is not going to be nearly as stifling as the cotton
that I used in the first place.

-Ii Saburou

> But I like watching karate-movies and anime! ;)

me too...  HHHEEELLLLPPPPPPP I'm being sucked into....
POKEMON!!  wha'd i do for that??? was i Meowth in a previous
life or something???

OK now for the somewhat less irrelevant stuff...

Effingham dono (yes i'm about to ask a favor... ;-b)

Would you (and other folks in the "mame/poke-" discussion a
while back) object if - assuming i ever actually *do* it - I
quote or paraphrase (accurately) some of the comments on
"mame" esp. "mame-sensha"(sp?) in an anime context?  Seems
some Euro crooks forged prototype cards" including...
"Poke'-tanks".
(ANIME FREE-FOR-ALL ON MY "SCA-OT" LIST!)

And could some of you Published Authors could clue me on
"Copyright Matters!"?  To wit:

The "poke-tanks" (convenient example but there's plenty of
it in academia too) mentioned above were sold under the
Pokemon label, but the pictures/ideas were (apparently)
entirely the creations of the smeg-lets who sold the faked
cards.  So...

Does this ix-nay their copyright on *their* work, or could
they still gitrichquick by suing for damages (like they're
gonna crawl out from under the stove and do it Riiight) for
"borrowing" their "work"?

Seriously the stuff isn't worth "stealing" as-is anyhow,
just the *idea* - but i'm willing to risk being the wrong
guy in Meowth Takes On Mewtwo (read: Curiosity
inverse-decimated the cat <G>) to find out if Criminals Have
Copyrights...  (Yet another topic we could pound out on
SCA-OT list now @ yahoo-groups, [ICK] if desired)

(i posted it here cause i don't remember who all had
comments in that "poke/mame" word thread.  Also because this
is probly the list with the highest ratio of published
writers-to-total-membership that i'm on)

and that should be the end of that...

Back to our irregularly scheduled topic, thank the rest of
you good folk in advance for not frying me at the stake :-p
<grovel grovel>

YIS
s.e.

would plain ole' modern archery contain enough of the basic
basics to teach stance, grip, pull/release etc. without
drilling anything that would have to be "unlearned" for
kyudo?  (I'm comparing it with the other martial art i was
taught as a kid, along with eating breathing and sleeping:
Gun Fu, NRA-Safety Ryu; straight from the lap of Dad-Sensei
The Gititright Fanatic.  The point:  Be it pistol, .22,
8-gauge or muzzleloader:  You Always Do These Things... And
NEVER Do These...

When my dad went thru an archery "phase" (and of course took
the rest of us along with) one of the things that was
stressed even more than bow or 'fuku was the *arrows* - too
long or too short, yer sunk.  Is that true also in kyudo?

(Boy did we have lots of fun with the two perfectly
telescoping sizes of cutoff fiberglass ends...  Anyone in
j-period ever use a blowgun?)

Seriously, i think the blowgun has to be one of the 2 or 3
least-studied and most interesting weapons Out There.  (It's
also the only projectile weapon i can hit the side of a barn
with.  I know.  We had a barn.  I tried. ;-)

(The other being the yoyo - No not your kid brother's; the
south pacific tribal weapon it's an almost exact copy of
only smaller.)

> And of more importance than the bow itself is a good fitting,
> well-made yugake.  That should be your first purchase as you can't
> shoot without one.

stop do not pass go ,,, run to the book store and buy (zen and the art of
archery)
then e mail me

> Student model pipa is $299!

are you *sure* this can't be phaked reasonably with a
shoebox, a 2x4, and...
<ducking just in case>

s.e.
who can't afford those Scottish warpipes i want either but
would happily play a tune on my homebrewed (future) ones for
the entertainment and delight of any
Alimentary-Canal-Function Impaired persnickety authcop who
wanted to start up with me...:b

(BTW, whoever can't stant "~@$!":  I find "AP" [Auth.
Police] a nice easy to spell convenient alternative.  More
than 2 letter a bit of a waste ne??)

hum.... and i still can't find my tv d***it...  Is it a
spoof on another brit ad or a u.s. one?

just curious
s.e.

> PS; have you seen the British spoof of that commercial that has a
> bunch of well dressed upper-class toffs, intoning into their
> telephones,
> "Hullleeeooowwww." ? Very surreal....
>

Asahi yumi and kyudo.com has soem good preliminary reading on kyudo. Western
archery may give you a good base to start but  with kyudo, the arrow is on
the outside, the bow is not a uniform shape, there is also the grip you must
use and how to draw the bow (forgot the actual term for it) and the release.
I know a lot of guys here that bow hunt and draw with their fingers, kyudo
you use your thumb, thus the special glove. Visualization is the utmost key
as well as performance.
Pocy
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