lynnx@... wrote:

> Well except maybe the fistful of names dropped on this page:
>
> http://www.towashima.f9.co.uk/samhistory/femalesam.htm
>
> Also i've seen it mentioned that samurai made it a point to
> try real hard to grow mustaches (at some point anyhow).
> This was so they were killed in battle, the enemy wouldn't
> throw their heads away thinking they might be "just" women.

Erm, well, no.

Mustaches were just standard wear. Nothing to do with being mistaken for
women.


Effingham

OgamiAkira@... wrote:

> Would anyone have any objections to me putting things in motion to
> have a Japanese "field day" at the war?  This wasn't my idea, and I
> don't want to step on anyone's toes.

I think it would be a neat idea.


Effingham

Joshua Badgley wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 OgamiAkira@... wrote:
>
> > Would anyone have any objections to me putting things in motion to
> > have a Japanese "field day" at the war?  This wasn't my idea, and I
> > don't want to step on anyone's toes.
> >
> What do you mean by 'field day'?  I would probably be for it, but I'm not
> all that important when talking about scheduling stuff.
>

You know, the usual. 50-yard dash, hurdles, relay races, etc., with the
parents cheering on from the sidelines, that sort of thing.

Oh, sorry... wrong field day...


Effingham
(feeling a bit silly)

Gara of Lions Gate wrote:

> I was given a book today and I wanted to ask the opinion of the Japanese
> scholars on this list.
>
> It is published by Kodansha, and it is titled "Japanese History, 11 Experts
> Reflect on the Past".  It's both in English and Japanese, and it is a
> compilation of articles from the Japanese history section of "Kodansha
> Encyclopedia of Japan".

And Kodansha continues to water-down their academic lines... <wry g>

The Kodansha EOJ is a wonderful (and horribly expensive) series of books. The
desktop version is good for holding your desk down, but not bad if you don't
have access to the EOJ. The new book seems to be cut down yet more from the
latter.

Side note: when I was in Japan, I was asked to contribute a few articles for
the Desktop edition of the EoJ... Never got around to it, and that frustrates
the heck out of me to this day.


Effingham

Marc Choronzey wrote:

> Konichiwa Danshaku Effingham-dono,
>
> I also would like a copy of said .pdf file on hitatare. It is a piece of
> garb not in my how-tos or in my closet.

It's in the files section of the SCA-JML egroups page along with a few other
things.

Effingham

Don Walli wrote:

> On a related note, how many people would be inclined to get together at
> Pennsic to enjoy a few
> hours of each other's company and a few liters of my sake?

Ah, damn. It's so hard to try to be dignified when you're waving your hands like
a loon, drooling, and shouting "me! Me!!"

> I can't claim to
> have brewed it my-
> self (not yet, anyway) but Iusually bring a few liters of a decent nigori
> genshu ('unfiltered' sake,
> usually Momokawa) and a few liters of Shirayuki. Perhaps we could also bring
> snacks?

If we can get a rice cooker there, it might be nice to make a few dozen onigiri
and grill 'em up and sit around eating riceballs and drinking ricebooze.

>
> Put it on after the tourney or other activities?

I think we should have the drinking *before* the tourney. Could make things a
*lot* more interesting. <G>

> My goal for this idea is
> simply to get to know a
> few more of the members of this august company. And it wouldn't hurt to find a
> couple of
> other people who might appreciate sake as more than a novelty. ;-)

Well, as a confirmed sakejunkie, I'm game.


Effingham

Joshua Badgley wrote:

> 2. Maeda Toshiie was famous for his use of shinobi.
>

If you're "famous" for using shinobi, something's gone horribly wrong. <G>

>
> 17. The Tokugawa Shogunate froze all the traditions of the Sengoku Jidai,
> so there was very little change between 1600 and the 19th Century.
>

I'm looking forward to seeing the answer -- and rationale -- for this one.
<G>

>
> 19. The western ideas, concepts, and objects brought by the Portugese were
> spurned by most Japanese lords.
>

This one depends a lot on what you consider "most" and what
ideas/concepts/objects are under discussion...


Effingham

Joshua Badgley wrote:

> I just saw this as a possible name combination: Hiradaira Heibei* and
> couldn't help myself but wonder if this was ever the name of a real person
> and how many people would try to kill me if I got someont to take this
> name.  After all, it's great!  All they'd have to do is learn one kanji
> and then write it four times!  What's more, they wouldn't have to worry
> about the whole surname-first deal because it would be written the same
> either way.  Okay, I'm having way too much fun with this.
>

I've seen refs to a couple of names where it's all one kanji repeated.

I often felt that these people were like those named "Katherynne" or
"Mikayla" today; the victims of very stupid and cruel parents... <g>.

Effingham

BamboOni@... wrote:

> Greetings Everybody,
>  I've got a question. In armor terminology they are called "suneate."
> But
> what are the cloth ones worn for everyday wear called? Does anyone
> have a
> pattern for them? They seem to be easy to make (at least for someone
> else to
> sew for me <G>) How many ties are there?  2 or 3. One at the ankle and
> one
> above the calf? and/or is there a third one below the calf??? Do the
> ties go
> all the way around the leg or do they tie only in the back?  I've been
>
> looking at some of my movies and thought that I had seen some, but now
> I
> can't find it....Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

Kyahan. Two ties, one at the calf or just above, one at the ankle,
usually tying in front.


Effingham

Melissa Hoy wrote:

> What exactly is a padded hitoe/kosode? Am I reading this wrong? How would
> you pad a garment like a hitoe? Wouldn't the padding all fall to the hems if
> you use something like silk threads? Is it more quilted? Just two layers of
> fabric? Or am I missing the point entirely? ^_^
>

A padded hitoe sounds like a misnomer, since the name comes from the word for
"one layer." It's hard to pad something without a lining... <G> OTOH, I
wouldn't be surprised if someone used a hitoe pattern for a lined garment and
continued calling it hitoe.

Silk dross or silk wool (or even cheap raggedy silk cloth) is used for the
padding, and it stays pretty much in place. There's no reason someone couldn't
pick a few stitches here and there, like in a quilt, to help the padding stay
in place.



Effingham

>> I can't claim to
>> have brewed it my-
>> self (not yet, anyway) but Iusually bring a few liters of a decent nigori
>> genshu ('unfiltered' sake,
>> usually Momokawa) and a few liters of Shirayuki. Perhaps we could also
bring
>> snacks?

>If we can get a rice cooker there, it might be nice to make a few dozen
onigiri
>and grill 'em up and sit around eating riceballs and drinking ricebooze.

And we could ride rice rockets... and rice burners  and ride
rice-a-pony's... yeah yeah yeah.

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:)

-----Original Message-----
OgamiAkira@... wrote:


>
>> Might I suggest as well that it go a bit beyond a simple tourney?
>> How about a kyudo (or at least yumi) competition, and perhaps even a
>> contest (in the tradition of Yoshitsune's retainer Benkei) to see who
>> can deflect the most combat arrows?

>How could we tell if they miss? I think we should use real arrows for this
>one, since they'd stick and we could tell. <G>

Arrows with suction cups on them?

Howdy, folks.
I'm beginning to ask some people in Yama Kaminari about when would be
a good day for this Japanese shindig and what they would like to have
go on.  This is going to be a terrific amount of work, and I don't
want it all to fall on the heads (and backs) of my squires.  So far
I've just thrown out some ideas (like a poetry competition and a sumo
match) and I'm waiting to see what I get back.  Koredono, my senior
squire, has pointed out that the earlier we hold it, the less likely
we are to conflict with something major.  As he pointed out, war week
itself is essentially a write-off.  The 'middle Saturday' is probably
the best we're going to do.

And, no, I'm not very formal, am I?

Me again!

Artemisian Coronation is being held on the 13th of this month in Salt Lake
City, Utah. Just in case any of you would like to come. ^_^

Kaede
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>A padded hitoe sounds like a misnomer, since the name comes from the word
>for
>"one layer." It's hard to pad something without a lining... <G> OTOH, I
>wouldn't be surprised if someone used a hitoe pattern for a lined garment
>and
>continued calling it hitoe.
>
>Silk dross or silk wool (or even cheap raggedy silk cloth) is used for the
>padding, and it stays pretty much in place. There's no reason someone
>couldn't
>pick a few stitches here and there, like in a quilt, to help the padding
>stay
>in place.

So there is no real 'padded' garment in the Japanese wardrobe? I'm trying to
make this as period as possible without freezing my belt off at night. ^_~ I
may wind up wearing my wool tunic and breeches under my kosode and hakima if
I get too chilly.

OH! And overgarments? Is there a Japanese equivilent to a cloak?

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Melissa Hoy wrote:

> So there is no real 'padded' garment in the Japanese wardrobe? I'm trying to
> make this as period as possible without freezing my belt off at night. ^_~ I
> may wind up wearing my wool tunic and breeches under my kosode and hakima if
> I get too chilly.
>
> OH! And overgarments? Is there a Japanese equivilent to a cloak?

As far as I can tell so far there is just layers.  There were some
garments that were apparently two layers of fabric sewn together, but
mainly it was the layers of clothes that one wore.  For instance there is
teh 12-layer robes of some of the court ladies, and I've heard of people
wearing up to 36.  (BTW, did the Japanese ladies ever have the problem of
the French?  That is: wake up, get dressed, eat, get dressed, gossip, eat,
get dressed, relaxing games, eat, get undressed.  I understood that,
though this here may be an exaaggeration, the majority of many women's
time was spent getting into and out of clothes and wigs--in France that
is.)

So, if the cold is really bothering you, try some layers.  If you are
somewhere like where I am at (it gets -40 to -60 up in Fairbanks during
the winter) then you might want to consider long underwear beneath all of
your period garb.  Either that, or a layer of warm fabric cut to the
proper shape might work, but I don't know if it would clash with the silk
or not.

I believe that most other winter gear consisted of weaving straw together:
straw coats, straw hats, straw shoes, and geta to keep your feet out of
the snow are what I've seen.  Then again, it just doesn't seem to get that
cold in Japan--but I'm a little biased in regards to what I perceive as
'cold', too.

-Ii

> On a side note, Ogami-sama is creating an SCA legal Japanese archery group
> with SCA combat legal yumi.  This could be fun indeed!
>
> Bun-ami

	 Ogami-dono, would you send me information? I would very much like to
make such a weapon and missiles.

	 Yumitori
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> this palm pilot...
>
No Your Majesty, you need a Gameboy for that.

(no name/title takeoffs here, just following the
storyline...;-)

S.E.3PO

> like "Japanese women bound their feet" and "armour was made out of bamboo".
>
> Kass

And (as Effingham pointed out) "geisha" are an ancient
tradition.  (Not.)

> How about this one:  The samurai believe that a katana once drawn
> cannot be sheathed again until it has drawn blood.
>
While we're on sword superstitions:  List all the supposed
"beliefs" about them.  Ask which ones are "true" (i.e.
really believed in period).

I've heard:

  - Swords took on the personalities of their makers; if the
guy who made a sword was an @$$hole, no matter how good he
was at swordmaking his swords would be Evil nasty things
that "bit" their own owners and all sortsa stuff.
(Jessica Salmondsen(sp?) got a real loonnng boring Tomoe
Gozen novel out of this - the "plot driver" was:  Find all
the swords made by this one real stinker of a guy and
destroy them.  Gozen keeps two for herself, fighting 2-sword
style, but weeniebutt's out at the end and turns 'em in...
Bleah.)

- Careful how you name that thing, it'll act like whatever
you name it. (over here we say that about cats...  just ask
my cat Freyja - and her 5 kittens)

- Swords could be so spiritually ...uh... endowed? as to
"earn" names for themselves.  (Might or might not have any
connections to the emperor's sword being considered one of
those Four Great Big Very Sacred Things that you Have To
Have to be emperor or something like that)

- Samurai considered their swords to be their "souls".
(Don't ask.  I still have stuff from the "ninja stage" of SF
fandom, several years before the Turtles went mainstream)

(Answer:  Nope.  No swordsmiths, no daisho, nodachi, no such
critter.  [Rats.] )

Oh hey - wanna Really Throw 'em?

Name the Buddhist Ten Sacred Objects, 12 Divine Treasures,
Eight Auspicious
Things, 22 Luckful Whaddyacallits, 9 Cosmic
Bright-Shiny-Objects, 7 dancers danc[- oh wait that's over
with, finally]  ...Lotsa luck.  I can't :)

YIS
s.e.

> I've seen refs to a couple of names where it's all one kanji repeated.

> I often felt that these people were like those named "Katherynne" or
> "Mikayla" today; the victims of very stupid and cruel parents...

> <g>.
you maybe.  Also the Other Kids:  Mike Mark Matt Jeff John
Bill Brian and Mary Laura Sue and Ann:  All 492 of 'em, if
you lump all the classes in the same building together

Thus I go by "Sister Ed": It's an improvement.

s.e.
actually thinking about a j name (well nickname maybe) to
use around here, pleeeeeze no flowers-and-butterflies
crap...

(Before i get started thought i'd mention...

There's a sale at Exotic Silks including some heavy-ish
rayon/silk
brocades for around $6-8/yard wholesale [30" wide, i
think].  A lot of them are bamboo, flowers and the like,
not-bad J stuff (as opposed to the decidedly Ch
dragons-and-symbol-roundels)  Sale ends mid-late january '01
[don't have the flyer with me].  Group order anyone?  I can
get and scan in samples.
The sale may also apply to their retail division if you just
want a few yards.  Couple bucks more/yd but still beats the
$20 at Vogue Fabrics out here!)
-----------------

Now, back to the q at hand....

> I ask mostly because I live in a climate that can be very cold. It's
> currently about 25-30 outside. A padded garment would be just splendid.

I think you'd want an uchikake.  Big, long, puffy, pretty,
and warm. (Period?  I leave that to Those Who Know and who
haven't lived along the 40+ N Parallel...)

  And there's also the option of wearing a *lot* of
layers...  As far as looking overdressed-to-the-teeth goes,
you can make the stuff out of Polarfleece for all that
matters.  Then just make the sleeves (hand opening area) and
eri (long collar) out of Fancy-schmancy stuff.  And maybe a
hem or 2 - i'd recommend bright colored wide bias tape that
sorta matches the sleeve openings and collars - you can
replace when it wears out. :)

And if it Isn't Period....Mince around on your 3"-bottom
mud-geta carrying a delicately-decorated folding iron war
fan ... the Snarks won't notice the difference until waaaay
too late <G>)
>
> Also, due to my current state of lack of funding, silk for making
> garments that will be worn at Estrella War seems a tad out of the
> question.

I should say so!!

I've been "gotcha'd" by some of the polys, and rayon is used
mixed (same thread different fibers) and in combo (silk one
way and rayon the other).

However don't bother with straight rayon unless it's just
Tooooo Perfect - it's almost as expensive as silk and twice
as fussy to care for.

You can get silk on the 'net pretty cheap; 8mm (momme - say
"mummy") habotai was common and is the "standard" silk.  A
plainweave, usually fairly fine and nicccccce... and about
$3-$5/yard.
  30"-54" wide.  (IIRC, 1 mm equals 1 oz./sq yd. Lady
Fujiwara?)

The batting used was (still is) silk, but poly or cotton is
just fine.  (If you missed the last discussion about silk
"noil" - the Yuppie-Are-Suckers scam of the Century - they
make that out of what they *can't* use for *batting*!)

> I have a lot of fabric that looks like silk

Lucky!

> (to my very untrained eye)

(it's your *hands* that'll tell the story:  Poly's are
slippery.  Pet silk, it pets you back :-)

> but I am wondering if it would be appropriate for making

YES.  (Think those bejeweled High Rennies are wearing the
Real Thang?) ;->

(now as you were trying to say...

> outdoor (read: Okay to fall in the mud and not scream in horror) > garments.

Just the junkier, heavier and easiest to wash!  A good poly
"silk" is worth its weight in ... silk.

(Unless your area groups do not wear cotton *at all* except
for very rich post-1400(or so) nobility.  It was a luxury
fabric.  The rest (usually) wore *linen*.  And everyone
else's garb is Burn-test Approved Not-Polyester.)

Like all else, we make do with what we got - I am not
chopping up my truck and 6 cows to make Absolutely Period
armor.  (I think i heard even Effingham Hisself say
something like gawd-no don't do that. ;-)  Use plastic...
(or was that someone else?)

My "hitatare" (of sorts) is plain ole' cotton, dk blue with
a nice wheat print in tan, and i lined it in red.  (No doubt
horrifying to Those Who Know These Things.  If too much so,
I'll obligingly cover it up (a little) with my gray
edo-style "wings" kataginu...

So go to it milady, and enjoy all that elaborate bejeweling
and intricate fitting you don't have to do, and pity those
poor little rich Lizzies out there! :->

YIS
s.e.

--- In sca-jml@egroups.com, Ron Martino <yumitori@m...> wrote:
>
> > On a side note, Ogami-sama is creating an SCA legal Japanese
archery group
> > with SCA combat legal yumi.  This could be fun indeed!
> >
> > Bun-ami
>
>  Ogami-dono, would you send me information? I would very much
like to
> make such a weapon and missiles.
>
>  Yumitori

Sure.  We're getting the bows from Yumi (located near Toronto) who
sells every Pennsic.  He's difficult to get hold of, so one of my
retainers who lives near there goes to his shop now and then to check
on his progress.
Each Kingdom has different regulations about what is legal for both
bows and arrows.  You'll need to check with the Earl Marshall of your
kingdom to find out what they are.  Here in AEthelmearc, the rule is
a maximum of a 30 lb. draw with a 28" arrow.  The shafts have to be
fiberglass which have been wrapped with strapping tape.  The heads
can be either Balder Blunts (about US$2.00 each) or can be made from
ultra-high molecular density (UHMD) plastic which is turned down on a
lathe to the correct shape.  Each arrow must be distintively marked
to identify the owner.
My squires and I spent a day doing field tests with combat archery
and found that it can be very effective.  A lone archer is okay, but
has limited effectiveness.  Hence, we are currently assembling a unit
(hopefully of at least 12 people) under a commander.  This unit will
be coordinated with the spear and katana samurai to keep the archers
alive until they have spent their arrows.  (Of course, being the
loonies we are, we also want to use our taiko drummers and conch horn
blowers to help time the fusillades.)
We're also doing research into making arrows tht whistle for maximum
psychological effect. (I thought I'd throw that in, just in case
you're not drooling yet.)

--- In sca-jml@egroups.com, BamboOni@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/2/2001 11:05:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> ajbryant@i... writes:
>
>
> > >Kyahan. Two ties, one at the calf or just above, one at the
ankle,
> > >usually tying in front.
> >
> >
> > >Effingham
> >
>  Excellent... Thank you very much. I have just one more question.
How far
> around the leg do they go? What I mean is from the front of the
shin around
> the leg to the back. Do they stop there? Or do they continue around
a bit
> till maybe the sides. For a sort of overlap type thing???
>
>
Takabayashi Dono,

     I think that it's almost like a wraparound legging, but with the
edges either metting at the back, or with the edges maybe an inch
apart.. i can't realy tell from the picture on page 38 of Arms and
Armor of the Samurai, as they've been laid flat. but Effingham Dono
is correct. two sets of ties, one, at the top, and another set just
below the calf(?)

please correct me if i'm mistaken, Eff...

Nobu

--- In sca-jml@egroups.com, "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@i...> wrote:
> OgamiAkira@a... wrote:
>
> > It seems to me that the web site shold have a name of historical
> > significance, and yet be relevant.  How about "The Greater East-
Asian
> > Co-Prosperity Sphere"?
>
> Personally, I like this. It has a nice historical ring to it, and
it would
> give us a good reason to include the rest of Asian stuff under the
Japanese
> banner.
>
> >ahem<
>
>
> Effingham

Well, does everyone like that name? because i'll have the newest
version of the site up by tomorrow.......

Nobum

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 wcbooth@... wrote:

> > > It seems to me that the web site shold have a name of historical
> > > significance, and yet be relevant.  How about "The Greater East-
> Asian
> > > Co-Prosperity Sphere"?
> >
> Well, does everyone like that name? because i'll have the newest
> version of the site up by tomorrow.......
>
Sounds good to me.

-Ii

As before when effingham-dono mentioned the idea of a
tourney, Id be glad to assist in any way possible
getting such an auspicious event going at war.

  I definately agree that if we all come together and
help, we can save those poor squires backs. :)

-Kiyohara

--- OgamiAkira@... wrote:
> Howdy, folks.
> I'm beginning to ask some people in Yama Kaminari
> about when would be
> a good day for this Japanese shindig and what they
> would like to have
> go on.  This is going to be a terrific amount of
> work, and I don't
> want it all to fall on the heads (and backs) of my
> squires.  So far
> I've just thrown out some ideas (like a poetry
> competition and a sumo
> match) and I'm waiting to see what I get back.
> Koredono, my senior
> squire, has pointed out that the earlier we hold it,
> the less likely
> we are to conflict with something major.  As he
> pointed out, war week
> itself is essentially a write-off.  The 'middle
> Saturday' is probably
> the best we're going to do.
>
> And, no, I'm not very formal, am I?
>
>
>
>
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, michael A wrote:

>  I definately agree that if we all come together and
> help, we can save those poor squires backs. :)
>
I would love to help out at the event, but it requires at least one other
thing for some of us: when do we need to get there?  I notice that people
can show up early, but just how early are we supposed to get there?  This
is rather important for me; Jamboree-like situations are no problem, but I
do need to know when I need to be there.  Just let me know and I'll put it
on the calendar!

-Ii

--- OgamiAkira@... wrote:
> --- In sca-jml@egroups.com, Ron Martino
> <yumitori@m...> wrote:
> >
> > > On a side note, Ogami-sama is creating an SCA
> legal Japanese
> archery group
> > > with SCA combat legal yumi.  This could be fun
> indeed!
> > >
> > > Bun-ami
> >
> >  Ogami-dono, would you send me information? I
> would very much
> like to
> > make such a weapon and missiles.
> >
> >  Yumitori
>
> Sure.  We're getting the bows from Yumi (located
> near Toronto) who
> sells every Pennsic.  He's difficult to get hold of,
> so one of my
> retainers who lives near there goes to his shop now
> and then to check
> on his progress.
> Each Kingdom has different regulations about what is
> legal for both
> bows and arrows.  You'll need to check with the Earl
> Marshall of your
> kingdom to find out what they are.  Here in
> AEthelmearc, the rule is
> a maximum of a 30 lb. draw with a 28" arrow.  The
> shafts have to be
> fiberglass which have been wrapped with strapping
> tape.  The heads
> can be either Balder Blunts (about US$2.00 each) or
> can be made from
> ultra-high molecular density (UHMD) plastic which is
> turned down on a
> lathe to the correct shape.  Each arrow must be
> distintively marked
> to identify the owner.
> My squires and I spent a day doing field tests with
> combat archery
> and found that it can be very effective.  A lone
> archer is okay, but
> has limited effectiveness.  Hence, we are currently
> assembling a unit
> (hopefully of at least 12 people) under a commander.
>  This unit will
> be coordinated with the spear and katana samurai to
> keep the archers
> alive until they have spent their arrows.  (Of
> course, being the
> loonies we are, we also want to use our taiko
> drummers and conch horn
> blowers to help time the fusillades.)
> We're also doing research into making arrows tht
> whistle for maximum
> psychological effect. (I thought I'd throw that in,
> just in case
> you're not drooling yet.)



In case your interested kuji-dono has created just
such arrows. They work quite nicely. People duck and
cover up across the entire area in a small melee. Plus
there is that ocasional person who turns their head to
see what the sound is and catches an arrow right in
the face plate.  Its a most wonderful playtoy.

The whistles were added to the midrealm style tennis
ball and golf tube arrow, though it could easily be
adapted to other styles. We used the rubberish
whistles that came from a toy...i think it was called
"the howler"or "the vortex".  Do you remeber the name
kuji?  Any ways it was those small footballs with fins
attached.  I still have a few somewhere not in arrows.
It worked well,suficiently loud, and its soft and
safe.  I never made but a couple of them, so i didnt
try to find a mass source.
As i said though i do have a couple spare origonals i
might be able to scare up.

--Kiyohara
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--- In sca-jml@egroups.com, "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@i...> wrote:
> OgamiAkira@a... wrote:
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> > It seems to me that the web site shold have a name of historical
> > significance, and yet be relevant.  How about "The Greater East-
Asian
> > Co-Prosperity Sphere"?
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> Personally, I like this. It has a nice historical ring to it, and
it would
> give us a good reason to include the rest of Asian stuff under the
Japanese
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> Effingham

Well, does everyone like that name? because i'll have the newest
version of the site up by tomorrow.......

Nobum



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