Noble Cousins!

Greetings from Solveig!

> I don't suppose you can recommend a shop that can sell a large
> quanty of coins for a respectable price?
> Preferably near Mission Bay.

It sounds like he needs to find a Chinese curio shop.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar






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On Jan 30, 2009, at 9:43 AM, wodeford wrote:
> The film is titled "Topsy Turvy" and it's WELL worth renting.
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151568/ (If nothing else, it will give
> context to my "Miss Sixpence Please" joke of a few days ago.)
>

LOL!!

Great minds think alike. :)


Effingham

Noble Cousins!

Greetings from Solveig!

> The film is titled "Topsy Turvy" and it's WELL worth renting.
>
> http://math.boisestate.edu/GaS/mikado/html/index.html is an online
> site devoted to "The Mikado." Art and photographs of costume designs
> from early productions are included - it's fascinating to see what
> they got right and where they went, well, topsy turvy. Be sure to
> check out the 1885 cast photos after viewing "Topsy Turvy," to see the
> actors portrayed in the film.

The photos are somewhat randomly scattered about. Be careful to look for
the pictures labeled original cast. The original cast costumes tend
to be
recognizably Japanese. Later portrayals are in some cases rather Chinese
looking and in others even more divergent. Gilbert really did try to get
the non Satire and Musical elements of the production right. It's
obvious
from the old photos. The biopic appears to have gotten it right.

Incidentally, while "The Mikado" can be butchered, it is a very fun
work.
So, if you have the misfortune of seeing a bad performance, please check
it out a second time. A pox on directors who think that they know better
than the playwright.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar






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On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Solveig Throndardottir wrote:
> Incidentally, while "The Mikado" can be butchered, it is a very fun
> work.
> So, if you have the misfortune of seeing a bad performance, please
> check
> it out a second time. A pox on directors who think that they know
> better
> than the playwright.
>

True, but my favorite rendition of The Mikado will always be the 1990-
ish version starring Eric Idle (!) as Koko -- the setting was in a
British resort town in Edwardian times, and it fit like a glove.


Effingham

Baron Edward!

> True, but my favorite rendition of The Mikado will always be the 1990-
> ish version starring Eric Idle (!) as Koko -- the setting was in a
> British resort town in Edwardian times, and it fit like a glove.

Did you ever see the Red Skelton version on television? It was pretty
amusing too. Yes, there can be some inspired directors and inspired
adaptions out there. But, generally speaking what I wrote applies.
You did not have the misfortune of seeing the Toronto Opera version
of The Magic Flute in which all magic and all masonry was removed
and a nonspeaking part with a giant snake was added. In the final
scene the snake was replaced by a very large bird. BARF! About the
only thing they didn't thoroughly mess up was the words and music.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar






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On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Solveig Throndardottir wrote:

> Did you ever see the Red Skelton version on television? It was pretty
> amusing too.
>

Sadly, no. That would have been interesting. I loved Red Skelton. :)
> Yes, there can be some inspired directors and inspired
> adaptions out there. But, generally speaking what I wrote applies.
> You did not have the misfortune of seeing the Toronto Opera version
> of The Magic Flute in which all magic and all masonry was removed
> and a nonspeaking part with a giant snake was added. In the final
> scene the snake was replaced by a very large bird. BARF! About the
> only thing they didn't thoroughly mess up was the words and music.
>

The word that immediately comes to mind is:

GAH!!



Effingham

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Anthony Bryant <anthony_bryant@...> wrote:

> I highly recommend anyone and everyone should rent or buy (it's good,
> trust me!) the DVD of "Topsy Turvy" -- a semi musical (well, it would
> have to be, wouldn't it? ;) ) about the creation of the Mikado and all
> the backstage and behind the scenes shenanigans that Gilbert,
> Sullivan, D'Oyly-Carte, et al. were involved with.
>
> It's a hell of a fun movie.

I very much agree re: the movie.  However, it does appear they took
liberties with various things.  For instance, the production appears
to have started before the Japanese Village was ever set up, though it
is probable that it influenced the final outcome.

-Ii

On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:45 AM, JL Badgley wrote:
>
> I very much agree re: the movie. However, it does appear they took
> liberties with various things. For instance, the production appears
> to have started before the Japanese Village was ever set up, though it
> is probable that it influenced the final outcome.
>

Really?

It's clear that a visit to the Japanese Village, and Gilbert's
purchase of a sword and meeting the tea-lady ("Miss  'Six-pence-
please'") was the inspiration behind it, as Sullivan refused to do a
score for another book Gilbert had written (the one with the infamous
"magic lozenge").


Effingham

The Wikipedia article on Mikado claims that both the sword and Japanese
Village "inspirations" for the play were fictional-- Gilbert had already
completed Act I by the time the Japanese Village opened.  Supposedly the
play was instead inspired by the general "Japan-o-mania" sweeping London at
the time.  That doesn't mean that he didn't use the Japanese Village for
consults and costume inspiration...

- Abe Akirakeiko

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Anthony Bryant <anthony_bryant@...>wrote:

>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 10:45 AM, JL Badgley wrote:
> >
> > I very much agree re: the movie. However, it does appear they took
> > liberties with various things. For instance, the production appears
> > to have started before the Japanese Village was ever set up, though it
> > is probable that it influenced the final outcome.
> >
>
> Really?
>
> It's clear that a visit to the Japanese Village, and Gilbert's
> purchase of a sword and meeting the tea-lady ("Miss 'Six-pence-
> please'") was the inspiration behind it, as Sullivan refused to do a
> score for another book Gilbert had written (the one with the infamous
> "magic lozenge").
>
> Effingham
>
>


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On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Ellen Badgley wrote:

> The Wikipedia article on Mikado claims that both the sword and
> Japanese
> Village "inspirations" for the play were fictional-- Gilbert had
> already
> completed Act I by the time the Japanese Village opened. Supposedly
> the
> play was instead inspired by the general "Japan-o-mania" sweeping
> London at
> the time. That doesn't mean that he didn't use the Japanese Village
> for
> consults and costume inspiration..
>

Oh, I get it...

Ya know, I'd totally forgotten that. I just always took the movie as
gospel. (I guess after Braveheart and Dances With Samurai I should
know better. ;) )


Effingham

" Dances With Samurai! "
ha ha! I am totally dying here.

Miyake

On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:18 AM, Anthony Bryant wrote:

>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Ellen Badgley wrote:
>
> > The Wikipedia article on Mikado claims that both the sword and
> > Japanese
> > Village "inspirations" for the play were fictional-- Gilbert had
> > already
> > completed Act I by the time the Japanese Village opened. Supposedly
> > the
> > play was instead inspired by the general "Japan-o-mania" sweeping
> > London at
> > the time. That doesn't mean that he didn't use the Japanese Village
> > for
> > consults and costume inspiration..
> >
>
> Oh, I get it...
>
> Ya know, I'd totally forgotten that. I just always took the movie as
> gospel. (I guess after Braveheart and Dances With Samurai I should
> know better. ;) )
>
> Effingham
>
>



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>>This is just an idea but you can go to a national bank and trade in American
coins for Asian  coins, just tell them your doing a class and want to show the
diversity in money history ...then again you don't have to tell them anything.

Doesn't work that way here.
The banks don't deal in pocket change and only exchange cash in $100 minimum.
Anything less and tbhey send you to Ambassador Pawn Shop which will exchange
smaller amounts... but charge 10-20%.

I tried visiting the coin dealers because they used to have boxes of worthless
change that kids could go through but that ended too.


Rick Johnson,
PO Box 40451, Tucson, Az. 85717
geocities.com/RikJohnson39
"Those who give up a little freedom in return for a little imagined security
will soon find that they have neither!"

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ok how about this???

http://stores.ebay.com/East-Asian-Coins-Shop

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             >>This is just an idea but you can go to a national bank and trade
in American coins for Asian  coins, just tell them your doing a class and want
to show the diversity in money history ...then again you don't have to tell them
anything.



Doesn't work that way here.

The banks don't deal in pocket change and only exchange cash in $100 minimum.

Anything less and tbhey send you to Ambassador Pawn Shop which will exchange
smaller amounts... but charge 10-20%.



I tried visiting the coin dealers because they used to have boxes of worthless
change that kids could go through but that ended too.



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Such a shop doesn't exist... sadly

Sasha


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> Greetings!
>>>We have some shopping districts with a high percentage of asian shops
>>>(which I frequent) but nothing that would be of much help to your goal,
>>>I'm afraid...
>>>Sasha

Ii-dono,
Very insightful, thanks.

-Sukeie

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Solveig-hime,
  Thanks for the enlightenment, I will see about finding this movie  just so I
can get a visual on the subject (with the understanding that movies  are not
the real story 90% of the time).

Humbly,
-Sukeie

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Hanae-hime,
  Thanks, I will see this movie as soon as I find the time to watch  some TV.

Humbly,
-Sukeie

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Baron Effingham,
Thank you so much for the vote of confidence on this movie, I really feel
like calling off work sick and searching right now.

Humbly,
-Sukeie

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--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Bryant <anthony_bryant@...> wrote:

> It's clear that a visit to the Japanese Village, and Gilbert's
> purchase of a sword and meeting the tea-lady ("Miss  'Six-pence-
> please'") was the inspiration behind it, as Sullivan refused to do a
> score for another book Gilbert had written (the one with the infamous
> "magic lozenge").

Can I just say that I LOVE the closeup of Gilbert (Jim Broadbent)
gazing down at the sword lying on his desk - you can actually see him
get the idea.

This is one of those films I can watch over and over. It's
intelligently written, beautifully acted, the music is a delight.

Saionji "After all, I am a child of nature" no Hanae

On Jan 30, 2009, at 4:49 PM, sekinakagawa@... wrote:

> Baron Effingham,
> Thank you so much for the vote of confidence on this movie, I really
> feel
> like calling off work sick and searching right now.
>

It is a fun flick.

It resulted in an entire wasted afternoon on Wikipedia looking up all
the actors and people behind the original production. Some of them had
very interesting (and occasionally sad) lives.


Effingham

On Jan 30, 2009, at 5:01 PM, wodeford wrote:
> Can I just say that I LOVE the closeup of Gilbert (Jim Broadbent)
> gazing down at the sword lying on his desk - you can actually see him
> get the idea.
>
> This is one of those films I can watch over and over. It's
> intelligently written, beautifully acted, the music is a delight.
>
> Saionji "After all, I am a child of nature" no Hanae
>

LOL!

I agree. Of course, it helps that I have a major crush on Shirley
Henderson (who played Leonora Braham, who played Yum-Yum). (For those
who can't quite place her -- she was "Moaning Myrtle" in the Potter
flix.)


Effingham

Iskanderu-dono (sashakhan) sent me this article about a traditional
calligraphy brush maker.
http://www.slate.com/id/2209693/entry/0/

Enjoy,

Saionji no Hanae
West Kingdom

I have also played the part of Koko, Lord High Executioner, who was sentanced to
death, but continued to survive, because it was of course impossible for one to
behead himself.

The show is very amusing, and full of twists and turns of language that when
combined with brilliant music, are a true delight.

Padruig McTavish,
bard of Arrows' Flight


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As an example of their humour, all the characters in the Mikado were given
humourous "japanese" names - I will shortly be playing the part of "Koko", the
Lord High Executioner whose name derives, not from Koko the clown, but from a
brand of Victorian hair restorative. The original actor was bald and so i will
need to shave my head for the joke to make sense.
Although some modern political-correctness enthusiasts have tried to get
performances of the Mikado banned or altered, it should be noted, as previously
stated, that the "Japanese" element of the show is simply a way to poke fun at
19th century England and that it is well documented that, on a visit to England
during the original run of the show, whilst the British government had tried to
have the show removed, the Crown Prince of Japan specifically requested to see a
performance.
Maredudd (beginner at Japanese stuff, but lifelong G&S buff)
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> Posted by: "Anthony Bryant"
> True, but my favorite rendition of The Mikado will always be the 1990-
> ish version starring Eric Idle (!) as Koko -- the setting was in a
> British resort town in Edwardian times, and it fit like a glove.
>
This is a great version, it could only have been done post WW1,
otherwise the might have been some head chop chop!

> Posted by: "JL Badgley"
>
> Sukeie-dono,
> "The Mikado" actually goes by that very term).  The Mikado remains
> controversial because of its obviously superficial understanding of
> Japanese culture, which is used to lampoon 19th century British
> society.  It is an exemplar of 19th century Orientalism, but survives
> based on its critically acclaimed musical artistry and wit, as well as
> its value as a commentary on 19th century England.
>
The reason why it was about Japan was the same reason Shakespeare wrote
about wicked Lancastrians. It's embarrassing to have your plays banned
and to be jailed. I don't think this qualifies it as Orientalism.
>  Posted by: "Solveig Throndardottir"
>
> Yes, and the heroine was called "Yumyum". Yes, it was political
> satire about Britain. However, Gilbert was also interested in getting
> the Japanese bits were done reasonably well. This primarily had to do
> with costume, walking in Japanese clothes, and stuff like that. This
> itself was a jab at the British who were caught up with Japanomania
> at the time.
>
Plus it brought in more money ;)
> Dances With Samurai
>
ROTFL Tom Cruise does clueless so well ;)

Jim Eckman

--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, James Eckman <ronin_engineer@...> wrote:

A scene from "Topsy Turvy" I thought you might enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S647is8rvvM

Saionji no Hanae
West Kingdom

Ha!  I played Pitti-Sing (should have jolly well been Katisha, but that
role went to the daughter of Peter Schickle, phooey)

Kurokamakiri

> I have also played the part of Koko, Lord High Executioner, who was
sentanced to death, but continued to survive, because it was of course
impossible for one to behead himself.
> Padruig McTavish,
> bard of Arrows' Flight

--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "danabren" <danabren@...> wrote:
>
> Ha!  I played Pitti-Sing (should have jolly well been Katisha, but that
> role went to the daughter of Peter Schickle, phooey)

Kurohime! I had no idea you went to USND Hoople!

Saionji no Hanae

I am originally from North Dakota, and am well acquainted with the place.?? ;-)

Padruig


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--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "danabren" <danabren@...> wrote:
>
> Ha! I played Pitti-Sing (should have jolly well been Katisha, but that
> role went to the daughter of Peter Schickle, phooey)

Kurohime! I had no idea you went to USND Hoople!

Saionji no Hanae






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wodeford wrote:
> --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "danabren" <danabren@...> wrote:
>
>> Ha!  I played Pitti-Sing (should have jolly well been Katisha, but that
>> role went to the daughter of Peter Schickle, phooey)
>>
>
> Kurohime! I had no idea you went to USND Hoople!
>

Was it the great Harry Herbert Hoover Heaver and the 4-H band playing in
the pit?

andy

First of all, Rising Sun Encampment will be hosting a Beginner taiko
workshop.
Class Description:: This class is intended as a hands-on introduction
to the rhythms of traditional Japanese drumming. Take one session or
all three to hone your drumming skills. Drums and sticks are provided.
Class Limit: 6
Class Fee: $10 for 3 classes
Time: 4 PM, Thursday, Friday and Saturday of war.

For a look at the drums students will be using, go here:
http://www.wodefordhall.com/taiko2.htm

Secondly, Rising Sun will celebrate the Year of The Ox on Thursday
evening at 7:30 PM with sake and other treats. We hope to see some of
you there.

Rising Sun is a group of Asian personae from various parts of the
Known World, united in friendship and common interest. We are the
grateful guests of the Barony of Atenveldt and can be identified by
our distinctive gate. As soon as I have more details on the location
of our camp, I will post them here. Worst case scenario: maps to our
camp will be available from the Arts & Sciences Collegium, next to the
Grand Court Pavilion.

Saionji no Hanae
West Kingdom