Greetings to the list from Llywus ap Alan Arglwydd, Herald for the
Shire of Drygestan in the Kingdom of the Outlands.

I have a client that is trying to register a kamon that includes an
arrow notch, the flights and lower shaft of an arrow. I have uploaded
a picture of the kamon into the files section as "LlywusMon.gif".

This submission was returned and one of the reasons was lack of
evidence the the arrow notch was a period mon. It is my hope that one
or more of your members can provide me with evidence to the contrary,
or at least provide resources that we can check to document this mon
as being from period.
We have looked at many web sites, including several in Japanese, that
discuss mons and have even found this mon pictured and described
several times but none of these sites gave any dates of usage. I
imagine we will have to go to books for our documentation.

I thank you in advance for your time and assistance.
Diolchi,
Llywus

Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig!

> I have a client that is trying to register a kamon that includes an
> arrow notch, the flights and lower shaft of an arrow. I have uploaded
> a picture of the kamon into the files section as "LlywusMon.gif".
>
> This submission was returned and one of the reasons was lack of
> evidence the the arrow notch was a period mon. It is my hope that one
> or more of your members can provide me with evidence to the contrary,
> or at least provide resources that we can check to document this mon
> as being from period.

Actually, my criticism of this design is that combines design elements
which are unlikely to be combined in Japanese. Also, it is much more
likely to see two arrow of the fletch ends rather than just one.
Finally,
the while an enclosing anulus does occasionally appear in early kamon,
they are much more typical of Edo period and later kamon.

You may want to take a look at the followign web page:

http://www.otomiya.com/kamon/kibutsu/ya.htm

The best book that I know of in U.S. libraries is a book called
"Daibukan" which is available in some research libraries. It
is arranged chronologically. I'll try to remember to look up
fletches tomorrow.


Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar





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Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig!

> I have a client that is trying to register a kamon that includes an
> arrow notch, the flights and lower shaft of an arrow. I have uploaded
> a picture of the kamon into the files section as "LlywusMon.gif".
>
> This submission was returned and one of the reasons was lack of
> evidence the the arrow notch was a period mon. It is my hope that one
> or more of your members can provide me with evidence to the contrary,
> or at least provide resources that we can check to document this mon
> as being from period.

Actually, my criticism of this design is that it combines design
elements
which are unlikely to be combined in Japanese kamon. Also, you are
much  more likely to see two arrow of the fletch ends rather than
just one.
Finally, while an enclosing anulus does occasionally appear in early
kamon, they are much more typical of Edo period and later kamon.

You may want to take a look at the followign web page:

http://www.otomiya.com/kamon/kibutsu/ya.htm

The best book that I know of in U.S. libraries is a book called
"Daibukan" which is available in some research libraries. It
is arranged chronologically. I'll try to remember to look up
fletches tomorrow.


Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar





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Finally got home at 1:30 am Sat.

10 days in  The Gambia, West Africa seeing how Cerridwen in the Peace Corps
lives then 20 days in Ireland.

Gambia:  The women there LOVE me because I do women’s work.  I fetched water
from the well, harvested Ground-nuts (peanuts) with the women, played with the
kids, blah, blah, blah…  They think that they should come to America as my wives
and let me work in the fields while they sit at home.
Also went on Trek to the outlying clinics to watch Cerridwen take care of the
babies and do her Peace Corp job.  Shea sat at each one holding babies so the
mothers used her as a free babysitter.
Never got used to using a hole in the ground for a toilet and showering with a
bucket of well-water in the back yard with a street next to the fence.  (Note:
someone reached over the fence and stole my Hawaii T-shirt while I was
showering).
Btw, there are no wild animals left save a few monkeys and snakes and the
vultures that landed on the steel roof of Cerridwens house every morning.
Bad News:  only one kayak in the country and the canoes were so dangerous no one
would let us go paddling in the river.
Also couldn’t do any of the three Dutch Geocaches there.
And no swords or other African weapons to buy.


Ireland:    What can I say?  I thought I would have a feeling of coming home as
my mother is from Claire but I didn’t.
So we visited Barbara and Janet Farrar and Gavin Bone, met Olivia, founder of
the Fellowship of Isis, in their castle.  She asked me and Cerridwen to play
some ‘good gods’ in their post-Samhain Ritual Play.  Mis-typecasting if you ask
me as we should have been the ‘bad gods’<g>.
Also visited a number of Holy Wells, Stone Circles, Sheilas and the such. (Note:
do NOT drink the yellow water that comes from st bridget’s well in Claire!)
Shea had a Guiness in every town we stayed at.  When we drove through Claire
Cerridwen and I finally had that sense of coming home.  Claire is a ROCK!  But
that rock is in hour genes and we’d live there if a) Ireland we not so expensive
and b) most of what I own is illegal there.
Bad News:  the weather was overcast, cold and wet!
Plus too cold to rent a kayak so did no paddling there either.
Also the Windsockers geocaches should be called Windsuckers as most were gone or
damaged.
And the only swords I could find there were a couple cheap Masahiro swords in
one toy store.

Good News!  We brought back bottles of Holy Water from a number of Sacred Wells
all over Ireland including from Tara.  Plus walking along the Gambia and Irish
beaches, brought back a lot of Holy Stones.

We only took some 871 Gambia pics and 1651 Ireland pics.  Then gave Cerridwen my
new Pentax underwater kayak camera because she destroyed her Reefmaster scuba
camera.


now to continue unpacking!

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Some time ago I asked about canteens and got some ideas that I
failed to follow other than to make a wooden canteen for my European
gear.

Well, and this is a long story... edited for brevity:

My daughter went to Africa with the Peace Corps. After a year her
adopte mom asked her what she wanted for her birthday and Cerridwen
said "out of Africa" so Shea said "ok" and called me.  "I am taking
your daughter to Ireland for her Birthday, want to come along, my
treat".

10 days in The Gambia and 20 in Ireland, all paid for!

A month off work was impossible with my bitch of a boss but my
Division Manager found out that I had been Construction Engineer
with the Air Force and asked me to help him build a porch on his new
house.  I agreed and what was supposed to be a single weekend turned
out to be a solid month of hard work.

Finally it was done and in return he gave me the entire month of
November off with pay and said he'd make certain I had a job when I
returned with no problems at all... + $100 cash.

Ok, Jane, another supervisor, found out that I did this and asked me
to do some work at her house.  So yesterday I went to her house,
replaced some lighting, fixed some leaking plumbing, etc.
She asked "how much" and I refused payment and left.

On the way home I had an urge to stop at a thrift store and guess
what I found there?
three goards and a conch already cut for blowing.  All for under $10.

The conch isn't a triton but Hawaiian but will do until I can find a
triton and the goards are going to become drinking canteens. pics in
the photo's section under my name (Rick Johson's Stuff).

Sometimes the Gods listen to a good deed and sometimes they reward
you.

I just have to decide if I will keep or trade the other two goards.

That and selling my Paul Chen Practical Pro Katana<g>.

Noble Cousins!

Greetings from Solveig! Water is actually pretty prevalent in Japan.
Canteens are not as big a social invention in Japan as you might
imagine.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar





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Greetings Solveig,
Thank you for assisting Llywus, my Herald, with my kamon registration.
  Per your suggestion, I redesigned using three arrow shafts pointing
toward a small central circle similar to one in the reference you
noted: "Otomiya".  I will fax Llywus the design tomorrow.  Your help
is greatly appreciated.
Best,
Walkelin

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wrote:
>
> Noble Cousin!
>
> Greetings from Solveig!
>
> > I have a client that is trying to register a kamon that includes an
> > arrow notch, the flights and lower shaft of an arrow. I have uploaded
> > a picture of the kamon into the files section as "LlywusMon.gif".
> >
> > This submission was returned and one of the reasons was lack of
> > evidence the the arrow notch was a period mon. It is my hope that one
> > or more of your members can provide me with evidence to the contrary,
> > or at least provide resources that we can check to document this mon
> > as being from period.
>
> Actually, my criticism of this design is that it combines design
> elements
> which are unlikely to be combined in Japanese kamon. Also, you are
> much  more likely to see two arrow of the fletch ends rather than
> just one.
> Finally, while an enclosing anulus does occasionally appear in early
> kamon, they are much more typical of Edo period and later kamon.
>
> You may want to take a look at the followign web page:
>
> http://www.otomiya.com/kamon/kibutsu/ya.htm
>
> The best book that I know of in U.S. libraries is a book called
> "Daibukan" which is available in some research libraries. It
> is arranged chronologically. I'll try to remember to look up
> fletches tomorrow.
>
>
> Your Humble Servant
> Solveig Throndardottir
> Amateur Scholar
>
>
>
>
>
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On Dec 9, 2007 5:53 PM, Richard Johnson <rikjohnson@...> wrote:
>
> Some time ago I asked about canteens and got some ideas that I
>  failed to follow other than to make a wooden canteen for my European
>  gear.
>
>  Well, and this is a long story... edited for brevity:
>
>  My daughter went to Africa with the Peace Corps. After a year her
>  adopte mom asked her what she wanted for her birthday and Cerridwen
>  said "out of Africa" so Shea said "ok" and called me. "I am taking
>  your daughter to Ireland for her Birthday, want to come along, my
>  treat".
>
>  10 days in The Gambia and 20 in Ireland, all paid for!
>
>  A month off work was impossible with my bitch of a boss but my
>  Division Manager found out that I had been Construction Engineer
>  with the Air Force and asked me to help him build a porch on his new
>  house. I agreed and what was supposed to be a single weekend turned
>  out to be a solid month of hard work.
>
>  Finally it was done and in return he gave me the entire month of
>  November off with pay and said he'd make certain I had a job when I
>  returned with no problems at all... + $100 cash.
>
>  Ok, Jane, another supervisor, found out that I did this and asked me
>  to do some work at her house. So yesterday I went to her house,
>  replaced some lighting, fixed some leaking plumbing, etc.
>  She asked "how much" and I refused payment and left.
>
>  On the way home I had an urge to stop at a thrift store and guess
>  what I found there?
>  three goards and a conch already cut for blowing. All for under $10.
>
>  The conch isn't a triton but Hawaiian but will do until I can find a
>  triton and the goards are going to become drinking canteens. pics in
>  the photo's section under my name (Rick Johson's Stuff).
>
>  Sometimes the Gods listen to a good deed and sometimes they reward
>  you.
>
>  I just have to decide if I will keep or trade the other two goards.
>
>  That and selling my Paul Chen Practical Pro Katana<g>.

Nice find!  I think I may still have a gourd or two downstairs that I
haven't turned into a canteen yet... sigh.

BTW, my wife's cousin was supposed to do the opposite of that
trip--from Ireland to The Gambia.  He was studying the folk music
traditions and their similarities and differences.  Unfortunately, due
to the political situation, I think he ended up in Senegal instead.

-Ii

Perhaps not in Japan but in Arizona... and I'd prefer something more authentic
than the all-too-common bota.


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Senegal.. We spent 8 hours sitting in that falling down warehouse they call the
Dakar International Airport waiting for our flight.
But the climate was so different...  Hot and dry to cold and wet.  Then we
arrive back in the Az desert and the temp and rain was the same as Ireland. 
Cold, cloudy and wet.

Never did hear any local music in either country.  The Irish pubs played only
Golden Oldies from America, the Gambians played American Rap.


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Greetings,
I am Fatimah and I am at a loss.  My 15 year old son has chosen to go
with a Japanese persona.  He doesn't know exactly what time period as
of yet, but has ask for garb for Christmas.
Since my persona is Sri Lankan, I don't have the slightest clue where
to begin to make something simple that would work for just about any
time period.
I have spent the last two hours online trying to figure this out, but
have just gotten a headache.
HELP!!!
Any suggestions, comments, direction would be greatly appriciated.
Thank you
Fatimah (of Blackwood)

--- Rie <LunaShadoes@...> wrote:

> Greetings,
> I am Fatimah and I am at a loss.  My 15 year old son
> has chosen to go
> with a Japanese persona.  He doesn't know exactly
> what time period as
> of yet, but has ask for garb for Christmas.

Welcome Fatimah!

Most japanese garb is made from rectangular pieces.
This is easy for some people and difficult for others!


I suggest you Check out:
http://www.dementia.org/~djl/sca/japanese/patterns.html
http://www.wodefordhall.com/kosode.htm
http://www.wodefordhall.com/samurai.htm
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/garb/garb.html
  both mens garments and mens outfits
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/
  under costume history of Japan
also the garb files of the sca-jml group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sca-jml/files/Garb%20files/

A basic kosode and hakama should serve him well for a
start. The best part about Japanese garb is that, if
you make it big enough (like adult size), it will
easily accommodate adolescent growth spurts. (I speak
from experience. My 20 year old can still wear stuff I
made for him when he was 16.)

Best wishes in your endeavors,

Ki no Izumi aka Jennifer Kobayashi




      
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Greetings and well met,
There is no mystery about Japanese garbs, the simples been the Kosode (sort
of underwear) this is the first layer of clothing as it goes under all other
Kimono types, you can choose a simple patterns such as a white Kosode and a
couple of color ones atop (ea. white, light blue, dark blue or black or any
other color which contrast with the lighter ones). As with the shape it's all
about rectangles, if you follow the links provided by Izumi-jime you should be
able to put together something, in the last year, I have put together a
number  of male garbs from the Sengoku Daimyo site (Izumi send you a link) and
the
instructions were simple to follow (I am no expert at sewing).
Hope this all help and welcome to our site, please feel free to write with
more questions and browse through our "files" section on this site, you will
find a lot of patterns.

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I think the question was about period?

When I did my first, I wror 'japanese pajamas' then upgraded to something from a
Kurosawa film within a couple months.  I saw a Baron with a Japanese persona
wear a karate Gi died black while he sat on the throne. His weapons were #4
re-bar welded into a pair of Sai.  And this guy had years of experience as a
Japanese.
So I think she wants an idea as to what it should lok like and not be modern.

here is my take which is,of course, biased and very limited in scope.
Try to avoid a ninja outfit or karate gi.
Kendo or Aikido pants will pass the 20' rule when work with a 'kimono' top
(called a Kisode).
Hein-style clothing is beautiful and elegant and hard for the beginner to make,
Kurosawa-style was long lived but details changed over the years.
Rubber flip-flops are tacky. Try to get the tatami covered rubber zori with
cloth thongs until you decide if you want to acrually make waraji like I did.
Swords were worn up or down depending on the era.  I don't remember when they
switched.  If in doubt, a wakzashi or tanto is ok but harder to find.
Bright colors and patterns!
The length of your sleeves told a lot about you and your class, age, marital
status, how often you walked the dog... just kidding on the last one.
I've obviously missed a lot of important stuff.



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You All have no idea how very much I appricate you.  I never would have
found these pages on my own, and with the level of confusion I had reached,
would never have understood them if I had found them.
You have helped me so much!!!  Domo!!!
I feel much better armed to battle the underwear, uh, I mean unknown.
It is so great to be able to turn to others in the SCA for help no matter
what the question.  There is always someone there willing to take the time
to assist you in learning something new, exploring a culture, or even saving
Christmas.

Have a Blessed Holiday, Cool Yule, and/or Merry Christmas!
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Okay, I'm a little cunfused on the sleeve thing, and nothing I have found so
far explains it.
He's the 15 year old son of a merchant with military ambitions (who owns two
dogs that walk themselves LOL)
What length would you suggest for his sleeves?

On Dec 12, 2007 2:14 PM, Rick Johnson <rikjohnson@...> wrote:

>   I think the question was about period?
>
> When I did my first, I wror 'japanese pajamas' then upgraded to something
> from a Kurosawa film within a couple months. I saw a Baron with a Japanese
> persona wear a karate Gi died black while he sat on the throne. His weapons
> were #4 re-bar welded into a pair of Sai. And this guy had years of
> experience as a Japanese.
> So I think she wants an idea as to what it should lok like and not be
> modern.
>
> here is my take which is,of course, biased and very limited in scope.
> Try to avoid a ninja outfit or karate gi.
> Kendo or Aikido pants will pass the 20' rule when work with a 'kimono' top
> (called a Kisode).
> Hein-style clothing is beautiful and elegant and hard for the beginner to
> make, Kurosawa-style was long lived but details changed over the years.
> Rubber flip-flops are tacky. Try to get the tatami covered rubber zori
> with cloth thongs until you decide if you want to acrually make waraji like
> I did.
> Swords were worn up or down depending on the era. I don't remember when
> they switched. If in doubt, a wakzashi or tanto is ok but harder to find.
> Bright colors and patterns!
> The length of your sleeves told a lot about you and your class, age,
> marital status, how often you walked the dog... just kidding on the last
> one.
> I've obviously missed a lot of important stuff.
>
> Rick Johnson, PO Box 40451, Tucson, Az. 85717
> geocities.com/DesertHenge
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On Dec 12, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Rie Miller wrote:
> Okay, I'm a little cunfused on the sleeve thing, and nothing I have
> found so
> far explains it.
> He's the 15 year old son of a merchant with military ambitions (who
> owns two
> dogs that walk themselves LOL)
> What length would you suggest for his sleeves?
>

Sleeves don't have to be that complicated, at least for guys. They do
entirely depend on the period and the outfit, though.

Check out "Samurai Eye for the SCA Guy" <http://www.wodefordhall.com/
samurai.htm> and you'll see examples of different SCA recreations of
Japanese. They're all pretty good. Scroll down to  the Kataginu
Kamishimo section. You'll see several examples, including Ii-dono's
fabulous striped ensemble.

This is a good place to start withJapanese. It's a kosode (better 2
layers of kosode), hakama (pants) and a kataginu (sleeveless jacket
with open sides). It's a kataginu kamishimo if the top (kataginu) and
bottom (hakama) match, but the garments don't have to match.

That means you only have to worry about sleeves on the kosode. Since
this is a garment that's named after the sleeves...

Kosode, or small sleeves, aren't. They're big sleeves with a small
opening. Standing with one's arms outstretched, kosode sleeves should:
1. Be long enough to end between the mid-forearm and the wrist.
Earlier-period illustrations tend to show wrist-length sleeves.
2. Hang down to the natural waist or slightly above. They may be
attached to the body of the garment all the way down, or a few inches
at the bottom may hang loose from the body.

I rather like Saionji-dono's Kosode page <http://www.wodefordhall.com/
kosode.htm> but there are others out there too. I taught myself basic
kimono construction from John Marshall's "Make your own Japanese
Clothes." The instructions bounce all over the place (literally) so
it requires a lot of patience, but it's good on figuring out pattern
piece scale for a modern kimono, and adapting from there is pretty easy.

For hakama, the Folkwear pattern isn't a bad start (but don't worry
about the koshi-ita plate at the back, assemble both belts the same
way). Kataginu are dirt-simple, and I believe there is a pattern in
the group's files section.

andy

--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "Rie Miller" <LunaShadoes@...> wrote:
>
> Okay, I'm a little cunfused on the sleeve thing, and nothing I have
found so
> far explains it.
> He's the 15 year old son of a merchant with military ambitions (who
owns two
> dogs that walk themselves LOL)
> What length would you suggest for his sleeves?

Sleeve construction for men's kosode is explained at
http://www.wodefordhall.com/kosode.htm (Look for text highlighted in
blue).

Feel free to drop me a note if anything is unclear - I wrote it.

Saionji no Hanae,
West Kingdom

Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig! I suggest a bit of window shopping at
the costume museum before deciding on what you want to make.

http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/

Click on Costume History in Japan. The Edo period and the Meiji
period are post-period. The earlier periods on this site are all in-
period.

As for the notion that kosode = underwear. This is not really correct.
There are garments which are worn under kosode.

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar





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Noble Cousin!

Greetings from Solveig!

> Kendo or Aikido pants will pass the 20' rule when work with a
> 'kimono' top (called a Kisode).

Nope. Kendo hakama have koshi ita.

Incidentally, folks tend to neglect hats. You really should look into
hats at some point.

As for footwear. Most folks in the SCA get that quite wrong. You
really need different sorts
of footwear for different environments. Waraji are spiffy, but they
are only to be worn out
doors. The same thing pretty much goes for geta. About the only
places that you might
possibly wear geta indoors are in the bath, the privy, the doma, and
of course the genkan
if you have one..

Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar





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Solveig,
  As always your wisdom and knowledge shines through, that is an  excellent
place to look at for references, as per the Kosode being an underwear,  I used
that term for the simplest way to put it to one with little experience  working
Japanese garbs. My appoligies, I do not mean to miss lead anyone.

Humbly,
Nakagawa Sukeie

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but not  to ask and remain ignorant is a life long  shame.



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> > Kendo or Aikido pants will pass the 20' rule when work with a
> > 'kimono' top (called a Kisode).
>
> Nope. Kendo hakama have koshi ita.

Yet, the Costume Museum previously referenced by Her Ladyship does show a
koshi-ita dated to the Kamakura/Azuchi/Momoyama period;
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/index.htm

For the purposes of the SCA, martial arts hakama clearly fit the bill of "an
attempt at pre-17th century clothing."

> Incidentally, folks tend to neglect hats. You really should look into
> hats at some point.

But, not something you really need to consider at >this< point.

> As for footwear. Most folks in the SCA get that quite wrong. You
> really need different sorts
> of footwear for different environments. Waraji are spiffy, but they
> are only to be worn out
> doors.

But then, the Japanese have a different idea of what is appropriate indoor
wear than one is likely to find at an average SCA event.  In a hall where
everyone else is wearing their outdoor footwear, it would be foolishness
itself to wear just what the Japanese would wear in their homes.  Indeed,
I'd doubt many Japanese would consider a feast hall to be properly
"indoors."

For an entry-level garb, any pair of sandals (>gasp!< yes, even leather
ones!) should do just fine.

    - Shiro

Entry-Level Garb.  An excellent term and one that I had totally forgotten.
Thank you.

My take, as ignorant as it is for my level is that Garb is a spectrum from one
to ten.  Zero being a karate gi with shower thongs and a Highlander katana.

1-3 is basically something that will do with little effort and a mild attempt to
look authentic.  Kendo hakama, kisode from a store, tatami-rubber zori,
stainless katana... basically, if you had watched _the Seven Samurai_ stuff.

4-7 is where I am. Most people end up here.  We try to do the best we can but
finances and family and job and other interests prevent us from moving on.  Here
we replace the zori with woven waraji but the material would be macrame jutte
and not rice straw.  The 'kimono' (we know this is an inaccurate term but useful
so we use it) is cotton or synthetic (to give a silk-like appearance).  And we
tend to mix thigs from a few centuries together like mine plus gear would range
from 1400-1600 or maybe a bit beyond either way.  Swords are real, possibly Paul
Chen or Cold Steel or Oni Forge, but not totally period as they might have
synthetic same or leather wrapping and a modern tsuba.  We are looking for
something that is basically authentic but still could use some work.

8-10 are the people we admire.  Many of the prolific writers on this site and
those who do the websites we refer to are here.  Also the rare fashion-nazi. 
But mostly, when someone like me sees someone likt this we think, "wow! I could
do that!" but we never do.

Everyuone should aspire to being a 10 but no one spould be ashamed to be a 5.


Rick Johnson,  PO Box 40451, Tucson, Az. 85717
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hello, how is everyone? well I just join the group, nice to meet you
all.  I been read some of the recent post and I followed some of the
advice, and did some window shopping:)

but here is were I get confuse, I look at sengokudaimyo.com(great
stite!),  and I notice that it has a lot of descriptions of outfits
and garments but it doesn't have all, and I know there no way to have
all.  but is there site that has the once that are missing form
sengokudaimyo site.

sorry if this question been asked before?

here what I like to start working on, I want to list form what I
think is easiest to headrest.  please let me know if I got some them
switched around or a better way to start.

http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/26.html
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/27.html
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/17.html
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/5.html
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/6.html
http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/11.html

oh yes, if there any good site I should read please let me know? and
thanks for all the help.

fearghus

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> 8-10 are the people we admire.  Many of the prolific writers on this
site and those who do the websites we refer to are here.  Also the
rare fashion-nazi.

You used the N word. (Sigh.)

Please do not project your prejudices upon innocent people who are
just trying to do their best within the limits of THEIR skills,
budgets and time constraints.

Here endeth the rant,

Saionji no Hanae,
whose real life grandparents had the sense to get out of Frankfurt in
1936 when they realized it would not be healthy for them or her future
father.

I second this.  Although I understand what you are trying to say, the
term "Nazi" is simply not appropriate for any use other than to
describe a particular political philosophy that originated in 1930's
Germany, and its followers.  Anything else diminishes its impact.

I do agree with your garb "ranking system"-- this is a great way to
think about it!

- Abe Akirakeiko

On Dec 13, 2007 7:46 PM, wodeford <wodeford@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Johnson" <rikjohnson@...> wrote:
>
>  > 8-10 are the people we admire. Many of the prolific writers on this
>  site and those who do the websites we refer to are here. Also the
>  rare fashion-nazi.
>
>  You used the N word. (Sigh.)
>
>  Please do not project your prejudices upon innocent people who are
>  just trying to do their best within the limits of THEIR skills,
>  budgets and time constraints.
>
>  Here endeth the rant,
>
>  Saionji no Hanae,
>  whose real life grandparents had the sense to get out of Frankfurt in
>  1936 when they realized it would not be healthy for them or her future
>  father.
>
>

Greetings!
  Although I do not partake of the fruit, I prefer to hear the term  "Fashion
Police" to describe what you are trying to say, the term "Nazi"  reflects to
many rejectable reasoning and creates an awful taste in the  mouth.

Humbly,
Nakagawa Sukeie

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But  not to ask and remain ignorant, is a life long  shame.



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Saw this Japan craft link on the samuraihistory group.

http://www.nihon-kogeikai.com/TEBIKI-E/0.html

Jim

--- In sca-jml@yahoogroups.com, "lord_fearghus" <fearghuslist@...> wrote:
>  but is there site that has the once that are missing form
> sengokudaimyo site.

What's there is there. If Effingham-sensei would just listen to our
pleas to complete the "under construction" bits.....

> here what I like to start working on, I want to list form what I
> think is easiest to headrest.  please let me know if I got some them
> switched around or a better way to start.

Your links are producing 404 errors. Can you check the addresses and
re-post?

Be sure to check out the Links and Files sections at
http://groups/yahoo.com/group/sca-jml as there may be more information
you will find helpful there.

Saionji no Hanae
West Kingdom

Im sorry to intrude but are there any forums like this for SCA'rs
interested in Knight orders of the Crusades  i.e. Templar,Hasptaller,
etc , Any help wuold be most helpfull. Any one on here from Trimaris?