In a message dated 1/28/00 4:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, akimoya@...
writes:

> You can try going to the Japanese-English dictionary server at:
>
>  http://enterprise.ic.gc.ca/cgi-bin/j-e/dict
>
>  >  Oh, and if someone could write it in a calligraphic style, that would
>  > be really cool.
>
>  You can download the gif files for the kanji, if you want.
>
>  Akimoya
>  Ealdormere

  I seem to be having trouble getting onto that site. i tried two different
computers. Is it just me or is anybody else having problems???

    Oni

On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Anthony J. Bryant wrote:

> Although most of the really juicy tortur... ah, interview methodologies ...
> really are recorded from Edo, they seem to have had their origins in older
> days.

I don't suppose you have any references...

> The various methods of tying were indeed old, and different houses reputedly
> had their own secret knots to tie prisoners with.

So I have heard aserted.

Akimoya
Ealdormere

Baron Edward!

It is the "dynafont" set priced at 12,000Y (It was marked at $95.00 and
I think I got it for less than that, but it's still worth every penny at
$95.00.)
It has a font called heiseimincho, a gyosho font, and other neat stuff.
I am still after a couple of Japanese fonts, but finding stuff of this
sort outside of Japan is pretty amazing. I think that there is a Sumo
ban typeface in the second disk, but it is not shown on the back of the
box. RFNum117 looks like it might be a Sumo-ban font. (Unfortunately,
the booklet only shows the numerals and few special signs. I don't feel
like installing the font just to find out.)

I still want fonts for several of the old-style character styles which
I have forgotten the names of (at least some of them). Unfortunately,
my best calligraphy manual (which had all of this stuff in it)
dissappeared at Pennsic several years ago along with two rings. I
hope that whoever has them has at least found a use for them and has
not just thrown them out due to being mean.

Unfortunately, I can not even order a copy of the lost book from
Kinokuniya as I do not have a copy of the article I wrote for
Pikestaff which has the book cited in the bibliography.

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For anyone in the Niagara Area, this might be of interest.

        As pro football season lurches to an inevitable end, Japan Nite
prepares to take its place with an evening of culture.

         First organized in 1996 by UB's Japan International Society - a
then-fledgling Student Association club, Japan Nite has since become an
annual presentation of Japanese culture and tradition for the Buffalo area.

         Now, four years and over 200 members later, JIS plans to take the
Center for the Arts by storm with Japan Nite 2000, its largest event ever.

         "Four years ago, (JIS) was very small with very few members and no
budget.  Now we are trying to have an expensive Japan Nite in the Mainstage
Theater," said JIS president Shin Akaho, reflecting on his organization's
enormous transitions.

         "(JIS) is composed of many different students with diverse ideas.
That's how we organized the show so quickly.  The Asian Studies Department
helped us a lot," said Akaho.

         The primary goal of JIS is to expand awareness towards Japanese
culture and to promote interaction between the Japanese community and other
people with differert backrounds.

         This year's extravaganza features Karate and Aikido masters, who
will demonstrate their martial arts chops.  Also on the roster is the
sakura kai, an elegant dance performed by traditional Japanese dancers
garbed in the classic kimono.

         Another returning Japan Nite favorite is Yakudo, a Toronto-based
taiko (Japanese drum) group which considers itself a medium for
communication and expression through lively performances.

         Originally formed as the Toronto Suwa Daiko in 1981 by Japan's
renowned drum master Daihachi Ogushi, the group changed its name in 1993 to
Yakudo, which translates to "full of life and energy."  The internationally
renowned taiko troupe surpasses skin slamming by combining stamina, rhythm,
body movement and discipline to instill the universal language in the
audience.

         A short historical film is also planned for Japan Nite to chronicle
the last 1,000 years of Japanese history.

         A few other surprises remain in the works.  JIS has publicized the
event for more than a month in advance to insure that every one of the
Mainstage Theater's 1,800 seats is occupied.  JIS is also attempting to
reach non-students by distributing 5,000 flyers to families in the Buffalo
and Niagara area.  An extra special guest might join in the festivities.

         "We're trying to get in touch with Mayor (Anthony Masiello),"
explained Akaho.  "Because Buffalo and Kanazawa in Japan are sister cities,
JIS would like him to make a speech.  I'm going to ask him about the 21st
century with the U.S. and Japan," he said.  "We want to be one of the
biggest clubs at UB.  This Japan Nite will be great, so please come!"

         Japan Nite 2000 kicks off aon Saturday Feb. 26 at 6p.m.  Tickets
are $7 in advance and$10 at the door.  For more information, call 645-ARTS
or visit http://wings.buffalo.edu/SA/JIS   on the World Wide Web.

         I know that is more information than you all needed but I thought
that the article was interesting in many different ways.

Thought this might be of interest.

Fumio

On Sun, 30 Jan 2000, Barbara Nostrand wrote:

> Unfortunately, I can not even order a copy of the lost book from
> Kinokuniya as I do not have a copy of the article I wrote for
> Pikestaff which has the book cited in the bibliography.

I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to find the East Kingdom Chronicler,
and ask them to look for your article; they're certain to have back issues
archived somewhere.

Akimoya
Ealdormere

bamboon-@... wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/sca-jml/?start=182
> In a message dated 1/28/00 4:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
akimoya@...
> writes:
>
> > You can try going to the Japanese-English dictionary server at:
> >
> >  http://enterprise.ic.gc.ca/cgi-bin/j-e/dict
> >
> >  >  Oh, and if someone could write it in a calligraphic style, that
would
> >  > be really cool.
> >
> >  You can download the gif files for the kanji, if you want.
> >
> >  Akimoya
> >  Ealdormere
>
>  I seem to be having trouble getting onto that site. i tried two
different
> computers. Is it just me or is anybody else having problems???
>
>    Oni

      I concur.  I have tried this same listing twice on two separate
computers as well.  No luck.  Alternate site, anyone?


      And while i'm here, since I seem to be the only one actually
asking questions all the time, is this getting seriously annoying to
anyone?  I mean, should I shut up, or something?  I'll start tabulating
votes (no, you can't vote more than once, Baron Master Edward-tono).

                                                               Ogami Itto

I concur.  I have tried this same listing twice on two separate
computers as well.  No luck.  Alternate site, anyone?


      And while i'm here, since I seem to be the only one actually
asking questions all the time, is this getting seriously annoying to
anyone?  I mean, should I shut up, or something?  I'll start tabulating
votes (no, you can't vote more than once, Baron Master Edward-tono).

                                                             Ogami Itto
>>>>
Personally, I don't mind your questions, Ogami-wake.  If you didn't ask
something, I fear the list would be totally quiet.

I just wish you guys would talk about something other than weapons
sometimes... ;)

Fujiwara no Aoi-hime

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Ogami Itto wrote:

>      And while i'm here, since I seem to be the only one actually
> asking questions all the time, is this getting seriously annoying to
> anyone?  I mean, should I shut up, or something?  I'll start tabulating
> votes (no, you can't vote more than once, Baron Master Edward-tono).
>
>                                                               Ogami Itto
>
I love it when people ask questions, and my apologies if I cannot always
answer them.  Please, continue asking questions!


Godric Logan
aka Joshua Badgley

In a message dated 1/31/00 9:12:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shubnigurath@... writes:

>    And while i'm here, since I seem to be the only one actually
>  asking questions all the time, is this getting seriously annoying to
>  anyone?  I mean, should I shut up, or something?  I'll start tabulating
>  votes (no, you can't vote more than once, Baron Master Edward-tono).
>
>                                                                Ogami Itto
>
By no means.... You are just asking questions before I think to ask them.....

     Oni

In a message dated 1/31/00 10:04:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
historian@... writes:

>  just wish you guys would talk about something other than weapons
>  sometimes... ;)
>
>  Fujiwara no Aoi-hime
>

       While we are on that note,,,,when I'm at an event I've been tucking my
money in a little leather pouch in my kimono. Is there another way, or is
what I'm doing period?maybe the pouch should be cloth. Or maybe i could carve
one out of wood.......
        Next question,,, I'm looking to get  green material for a kimono. How
dark or how light should I be looking for?

                                                Oni

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 BamboOni@... wrote:

>       While we are on that note,,,,when I'm at an event I've been tucking my
> money in a little leather pouch in my kimono. Is there another way, or is
> what I'm doing period?maybe the pouch should be cloth. Or maybe i could carve
> one out of wood.......

Usually the money and stuff (according to my Japanese friends and the
books I don't have on hand to quote) of that nature would be stored in the
sleeves.  This is also how I see it depicted on most samurai flicks here
as well.  BTW, this is one reason to make sure your sleeves are sewn up!

>        Next question,,, I'm looking to get  green material for a kimono. How
> dark or how light should I be looking for?

Once again, talking with friends, any colour is probably okay.  For men, a
darker green is probably more in style, while I can picture a woman in
either.  IIRC, the modern patterns and silkscreens are just that,
modern.  I seem to recall that older kimonos tended to be more solid in
colour.

Also it might be useful to remember that many Japanese consider 'green'
(midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and a blue
light at a traffic stop means 'go'.

I assume I will be corrected if I have mistated anything.


-Godric Logan
aka Joshua Badgley

On a completely different note, has anyone looked at the new Electronic
Arts game, Shogun - Total War? They've released a demo, which I'm still
downloading sections to (it's also supposed to be available/coming soon
on demo disks from some of the computer game magazines). It appears to
be quite ambitious...

		 http://www.totalwar.com/

	 Yumitori

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Ogami Itto wrote:

> > > You can try going to the Japanese-English dictionary server at:
> > >
> > >  http://enterprise.ic.gc.ca/cgi-bin/j-e/dict

>      I concur.  I have tried this same listing twice on two separate
> computers as well.  No luck.  Alternate site, anyone?

Try the US server at:

http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/dict

Akimoya
Ealdormere

Ogami Itto wrote:
>      And while i'm here, since I seem to be the only one actually
> asking questions all the time, is this getting seriously annoying to
> anyone?  I mean, should I shut up, or something?  I'll start tabulating
> votes (no, you can't vote more than once, Baron Master Edward-tono).

   And if you're the only one asking questions and stop, then this list
wouldn't be good for very much with no postings, would it?  I vote for
your continued questions.


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                         ****************************************

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                                 Tatsuki Akira - SCA
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, akimoya wrote:

> > > > You can try going to the Japanese-English dictionary server at:
> > > >
> > > >  http://enterprise.ic.gc.ca/cgi-bin/j-e/dict

I just discovered that they've changed the domain name at the Canadian
Server for the J-E Dictionary; it is now:

http://enterprise.dsi.crc.ca/cgi-bin/j-e/dict

Akimoya
Ealdormere

Godric Logan

Also it might be useful to remember that
many Japanese consider 'green'
(midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and a
blue
light at a traffic stop means 'go'.

In a message dated 1/31/00 10:04:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
historian@... writes:

>  just wish you guys would talk about something other than weapons
>  sometimes... ;)
>
>  Fujiwara no Aoi-hime
>

       While we are on that note,,,,when I'm at an event I've been tucking my
money in a little leather pouch in my kimono. Is there another way, or is
what I'm doing period?maybe the pouch should be cloth. Or maybe i could
carve
one out of wood.......
        Next question,,, I'm looking to get  green material for a kimono. How
dark or how light should I be looking for?

                                                Oni
>>>>
Good man, Oni!  One I can help with.

I'm not too familiar with male accoutrements, but there is a thing called
netsuke and inro which is like a box with a cord with a carved thing on the
end (yeah... real descriptive, huh?).  You hang it from your belt.  Your
stuff goes in there.  There are many books on netsuke and inro as they have
become kind of collector's items.  If you sew up the fronts of your sleeves
like kosode, things can still fall out the back.  A flat silk pouch that
resembles an envelope can also be used to keep paper money in.  You just
fold it into the neckline of your garment.

As for the material for your garment, well, what rank are you?  Dark green
is appropriate for the sixth court rank and light green for the seventh.
These distinctions were much more important in period (being that there are
no "ranks" anymore) than they are modernly, so you should avoid looking at
what men and women wear modernly in order to decide what your persona would
have worn in period.  And older garments were solid sometimes and wild
prints at others and every conceivable thing in between.  What kind of
pattern you would wear is entirely dependent, again, on your rank and on the
time period in which you live.  If you'd like to give me more background, I
will try to give you a more complete answer.

In your service,
Fujiwara

Sometime around 05:31 AM 2/1/00 -0900,

Godric Logan

asserted:

Also it might be useful to remember that
many Japanese consider 'green'
(midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and a
blue
light at a traffic stop means 'go'.

That's interesting.  Are they genetically unable to see the difference, or is this a cultural thing that green and blue are considered to be the same general color? 

 

Culturally the division of the spectrum where we Westerners separate blue and green is slightly different.  Genetically we are the same ocularly...

 

By the way, midori is not blue.  Aoi is.  Trees are aoi...  Midori really IS green... 

 

In a message dated 2/1/00 11:00:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, akimoya@...
writes:

>
>  Try the US server at:
>
>  http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/dict
>
>  Akimoya
>  Ealdormere
>
>

That did the trick.. Domo

   Oni

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, J. Kriss White wrote:


> That's interesting.  Are they genetically unable to see the difference, or is
this a cultural thing
> that green and blue are considered to be the same general color?
>
My friend and I wondered that, and we are pretty sure that it is simply a
matter of what one defines as 'green' or 'blue'  For most of my Japanese
friends, the line between the two swings much further into what most
American's would call 'green', though I think that is slowly changing as
western definitions take over.  Most Japanese, at least when talking to
foreigners, will use 'midori' much more than they used to.

An interesting side-effect of the study, however, was that I questioned my
own opinions of where the differense is, and now I see 'blue' trees; the
colours don't change so much as my definition is a bit looser.


-Godric Logan
aka Josh B.

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Kass McGann wrote:

> Also it might be useful to remember that
> many Japanese consider 'green'
> (midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and a
> blue
> light at a traffic stop means 'go'.
>
>   By the way, midori is not blue.  Aoi is.  Trees are aoi...  Midori really
> IS green...
>
Yes, sorry about that confusion there.  Aoi = blue, and sometimes what
Westerners call green.  Midori = green.

Naoshite arigatou gozaimasu

Godric Logan

Godric Logan

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Kass McGann wrote:

> Also it might be useful to remember that
> many Japanese consider 'green'
> (midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and
a
> blue
> light at a traffic stop means 'go'.
> 
>   By the way, midori is not blue.  Aoi is. 
Trees are aoi...  Midori really
> IS green...
> 
Yes, sorry about that confusion there.  Aoi = blue, and sometimes
what
Westerners call green.  Midori = green.

Yes, I guess the line can blur considerably as to which point in the
aqua/blue-green area you want to draw the line.  I just remembered a
British camouflage color used on the undersides of aircraft -
particularly in the Mediterranean, I think - during WWII.  The
official name was "Duck Egg Blue", but darned if it didn't look
like a just barely bluish-tinted light green to me.





J. Kriss White

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> Also it might be useful to remember that
> many Japanese consider 'green'
> (midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and a
> blue
> light at a traffic stop means 'go'.
>
>   By the way, midori is not blue.  Aoi is.  Trees are aoi...  Midori
really
> IS green...
>
Yes, sorry about that confusion there.  Aoi = blue, and sometimes what
Westerners call green.  Midori = green.

Naoshite arigatou gozaimasu

Godric Logan

Doo itashimashite.  Just remember the liquor.  Midori liquor is green too!
;)

Sometime around 05:45 PM 2/1/00 -0900,

Godric Logan

asserted:

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Kass McGann wrote:
> Also it might be useful to remember that
> many Japanese consider 'green'
> (midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and
a
> blue
> light at a traffic stop means 'go'.
> >   By the way, midori is not blue.  Aoi is. 
Trees are aoi...  Midori really
> IS green...
> Yes, sorry about that confusion there.  Aoi = blue, and sometimes
what
Westerners call green.  Midori = green.

Yes, I guess the line can blur considerably as to which point in the
aqua/blue-green area you want to draw the line.  I just remembered a
British camouflage color used on the undersides of aircraft -
particularly in the Mediterranean, I think - during WWII.  The
official name was "Duck Egg Blue", but darned if it didn't look
like a just barely bluish-tinted light green to me. 

What a wonderful lesson in culturally perceived distinctions. As someone interested in textiles, I am often fascinated how one person's "tomato red" can be another person's "orange". 

 Sometime around 05:31 AM 2/1/00 -0900,

Godric Logan

asserted:
 

Also it might be useful to remember that many Japanese consider 'green' (midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and a blue light at a traffic stop means 'go'.

That's interesting.  Are they genetically unable to see the difference, or is this a cultural thing that green and blue are considered to be the same general color?

But they have very specific terms for lots of colors...

Odd thing, though: Japanese traffic lights have a green that is more at blue-green. (Like five parts blue, two parts yellow).

Effingham

Joshua Badgley wrote:

>
> Naoshite arigatou gozaimasu

Anal correction:

Naoshite kuremashita arigato gozaimasu!

<g>

Effingham

Joshua Badgley wrote:

>
> My friend and I wondered that, and we are pretty sure that it is simply a
> matter of what one defines as 'green' or 'blue'  For most of my Japanese
> friends, the line between the two swings much further into what most
> American's would call 'green', though I think that is slowly changing as
> western definitions take over.  Most Japanese, at least when talking to
> foreigners, will use 'midori' much more than they used to.

Actually, these days, the japanese often say "guriin" and "buruu"....


Effingham

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony J. Bryant [mailto:ajbryant@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 12:24 AM
To: sca-jml@egroups.com
Subject: [SCA-JML] Re: Different sort of color blindness?


Joshua Badgley wrote:

>
> Naoshite arigatou gozaimasu

Anal correction:

Naoshite kuremashita arigato gozaimasu!

<g>

Effingham
>>>>
Aren't you adorable when you're beign anal... ;)

Also it might be useful to remember that many Japanese consider 'green' (midori) as 'blue'.  Thus, trees are blue, the sky is blue, and a blue light at a traffic stop means 'go'.

That's interesting.  Are they genetically unable to see the difference, or is this a cultural thing that green and blue are considered to be the same general color?

The typical Japanese green tends toward blue, according to the Heian color chart for "aoi." We're talking "influence of vegetable dyes" I think. The color for the sky wasn't just "blue" for example.

But they have very specific terms for lots of colors...

Odd thing, though: Japanese traffic lights have a green that is more at blue-green. (Like five parts blue, two parts yellow).

Effingham  

Just in case anyone cares green in the traditional palette was made from gardenia husks overdyed with indigo.  This most easily produces a very bright lime green.  Dip it in the indigo a few more times and you get ever deepening shades of teal (bluish-green like the colours on a duck's neck).  What you don't get is ever deepening shades of what we'd consider "medium green".  You see, the gardenia dyes things a rather bright yellow.  You can't make it darker by dipping and re-dipping.  But the indigo you can.  See what I mean.

I wonder if the word aoi existed before the use of these dyes or after.  The use of the dyes dates to at least 600 ad (Prince Shotoku's Taiho Code).

Fujiwara
Household Dyer of House Matsuyama =)

Kass McGann wrote:

>
> Anal correction:
>
> Naoshite kuremashita arigato gozaimasu!
>
> <g>
>
> Effingham
> >>>>
> Aren't you adorable when you're beign anal... ;)
>

From time to time. <g>

Effingham