Hello all,
My name is Mike.  I am a student pilot, and like many, dream of
owning an aerobatic plane of my own someday.  The plane I envision
owning need not be used on cross countries longer than about 100-150
miles or so.  I am pretty new to flying, although it has been a dream
since early childhood.  I fly 152's and they seem like fairly
responsive planes, but probably nothing like a chaos or sakota.  How
many hours total do most of you have logged?  How many hours (in your
respective assessments) should a pilot have logged before considering
climbing into an aerobatic rans?  -- Also,the going rate of 152
rental is about $60/hour -- 300 hours will cost $18k -- at those
prices you could build an S-9 (or buy used for lots less) -- and
presumably fly your own little hot-rod for about the same price, and
still have a plane to sell afterwards -- This assumes a lot about the
life of a rans airframe though -- how much time is lots for a rans
that has seen aerobatic use?  - there are still 152s out there with
almost 10,000 hours TT -- some even more -- and they are still
airworthy to boot -- what could I expect from a rans?  I've seen used
S-9s go from $6500-$13000 US -- If I could build 200-300 hours in
such an aircraft for the same price as renting a 152, that would be a
bargain -- is that possible?
Thanks in advance for your input.
Mike

Thanks for the response. That's great I actually live in Maryland
so I will have to check that dealer out. What I meant by being able
to fly at night was if there were any restrictions on whether I
could fly at night or not.

   So there is no restriction as to where I land or take off? So I
should be able to use a grass strip runway on my land for takeoffs
and landings..? Also with this aircraft falling into
the "experimental" category are there any restrictions about flying
over cities or populated areas like there are with ultralights?

Thanks!

Jeremy

p.s. Great S-10 I actually saw some pictures of it on the internet
while doing my research


--- In sakaos@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Pensenstadler" <s10sakota@h...>
wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> You're asking a lot from an S-10. Here's my answers and I'll keep
> them short.
>
> 1. Time to Build?
> Do you want to throw it together or build a nice plane? I built a
> very nice example and built it in 2 years and 3 weeks working
about
> 15 days a month with 8-10 hour days.
>
> 2. Tools?
> Cordless drill is the best tool! Others...drill press, clecos,
tools
> for wiring the panel, iron for covering. I'm sure I'm missing some
> but the S-10 doesn't require anthing special.
>
> 3. Night Flying?
> The air is the same at night as it is during the day. Any airplane
> will fly at night if you put lights on it.
>
> 4. Grass?
> I've landed on grass before but the S-10 has very small wheels so
> make sure it's a VERY smooth grass runway.
>
> 5. Dealers?
> I got my kit from B&B Sport Aviation in Maryland. www.rans.com has
a
> listing of dealers.
>
> 6. Floats?
> Buy something else.
>
> 7. 1400 Miles?
> The S-10 has to be flown like a helicopter-hand always on the
stick.
> I flew mine from Pittsburgh to Oshkosh this year and could not
even
> refold a sectional chart without just about going upside down.
It's
> very pitch sensitive so it depends on how long your attention span
> is. Needless to say, 1400 miles is a multi-day trip.
>
> Hope this helps. You may want to visit my website at
> www.geocities.com/s10sakota
>
> Mark

Jeremy,

You're asking a lot from an S-10. Here's my answers and I'll keep
them short.

1. Time to Build?
Do you want to throw it together or build a nice plane? I built a
very nice example and built it in 2 years and 3 weeks working about
15 days a month with 8-10 hour days.

2. Tools?
Cordless drill is the best tool! Others...drill press, clecos, tools
for wiring the panel, iron for covering. I'm sure I'm missing some
but the S-10 doesn't require anthing special.

3. Night Flying?
The air is the same at night as it is during the day. Any airplane
will fly at night if you put lights on it.

4. Grass?
I've landed on grass before but the S-10 has very small wheels so
make sure it's a VERY smooth grass runway.

5. Dealers?
I got my kit from B&B Sport Aviation in Maryland. www.rans.com has a
listing of dealers.

6. Floats?
Buy something else.

7. 1400 Miles?
The S-10 has to be flown like a helicopter-hand always on the stick.
I flew mine from Pittsburgh to Oshkosh this year and could not even
refold a sectional chart without just about going upside down. It's
very pitch sensitive so it depends on how long your attention span
is. Needless to say, 1400 miles is a multi-day trip.

Hope this helps. You may want to visit my website at
www.geocities.com/s10sakota

Mark

I was thinking about it and I left off a few questions I had.

1. Can you attach floats or skies for snow or water takeoff/landing?
2. I have some family about 1400 miles away would the S10 be
rigorous and reliable enough for cross county trips like that?

Thanks once again!
Jeremy


--- In sakaos@yahoogroups.com, "s10rans" <jeremy@x> wrote:
>
>   I have been looking at the Rans S10 kit. I have a few questions.
>
> 1. Realistically how long does it take to build?
> 2. What kind of tools will I need?
> 3. Can you do night flying with this aircraft?
> 4. I have a few acres of land, am I able to land and take off from
> my land, or do I have to take off from a local airport?
> 5. I can't seem to find any dealers in US that carry the S10 kit
any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> Jeremy

I have been looking at the Rans S10 kit. I have a few questions.

1. Realistically how long does it take to build?
2. What kind of tools will I need?
3. Can you do night flying with this aircraft?
4. I have a few acres of land, am I able to land and take off from
my land, or do I have to take off from a local airport?
5. I can't seem to find any dealers in US that carry the S10 kit any
ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Jeremy

Now here is some positive news about an induction system modification
that is very impressive.
  Yesterday, I accompanied a friend of mine who has a Kitfox equiped
with a 582. He had just installed an H.A.C system, (High altitude
compensator) We went on a cross country that required us to climb up
to 8000' to get over the mountains. The engine purred like kitten at
all altitudes without a skip and the egts remained rock solid through
out the flight, even through a power reduced decent they moved only
very slighty up. This system is slick, it promisis no jet changing
ever, no matter what the altitude,temperature or season and the thing
is totally automatic so it is idiot proof (Just what I like).
Ok you can't fly upside down with it, but if your stuck with a 503,582
with bings it removes the hassle of rejetting and gives consistant
engine performance at all altitudes. Great if your using your ship for
cross countries.
Some info at http://www.greenskyadventures.com/bing/hacdetails.htm
unfortunatly it looks as though the availability of the modulator unit
is becoming scarce due to demand and some companies are resorting to
offering a manual system this is probably not as good as the automatic
system.

Heyo.

I tested my S10's cruise speed with and without Vortex Generators
today.  It was fairly calm, smooth air, so made for good testing.

I get 1.6 mph loss with the VG's installed.  This from a GPS closed
course measurement.  Indicated is down by 1mph.  I think that's fine
considering the large drop in the stall speed, which I mentioned in a
previous post.

This time I had them back at about 15% of chord.  I think there is no
advantage of putting them back there, and more drag.  I'll move 'em up
to 10% of chord next, and reduce the number of them to see how many I
really need.

I'm doing loops from as little as 100mph now, without my (positive G's
only) Jabiru stumbling over the top.  The VG's let me dig in to the
low speed region - pulling harder than I otherwise could.

On the maneuver front, I've found that it's fun to roll about 100
degrees over - a bit past vertical - pulling 3 G's or so, the drag
from the wings keeps the airspeed down even though I'm pointed upside
down.  Improves the downward visibility, as it were.  :-)  Makes for
fast turns, too.

Does anyone here do hammerheads with a no-inverted-systems (912)
equipped plane?  If so, how do you bend the maneuver to keep the oil
in the bottom of the pan?

hi simon,

yeah, i've seen that. thats why i decided to move mine forward. guess im just going to order one from Rans. thanks for the reply though.

Troy

hi all,
does anyone out there know where i can get a dash template for a S9?
i'm sure i could probably order one, i was just wondering if any of
you may already have one.
i'm going to move my dash out another 6 to 8 inches. anyone here
done that yet?

troy

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil L

To: sakaos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:32 AM

Subject: [sakaos] Re: 532 engine parts

I have gone through all this carb BS and can tell you Rans has no
recomendation for carbs for the 503. The Mikuni super BN carb they
supply is only suitable for the 582 ONLY and NO other engine. Some
people have had luck running the Ellison throttle body on the 532.
Ellison does not sell that model anymore and that particular model is
only suited for the 532 they do not reccomend using it on a 582 and
you would be wasting your time tring to run it on a 503. It is a very
chalanging proccess tring to get a pumper carb to work properly on a
503, believe me I have tried. I could get them working pretty good on
the ground but in the air they went so far out of wack that the engine
would run too hot at full throttle and so cold that the engine would
quit soon as the power was brought back.
I believe it could be made to work with much better understanding on 2
stroke induction and carb dynamics. I believe that I could have better
luck if the induction system was completly shielded from any sources
of pressure fluctuations generated from slip stream or ram air through
the cowl.
I had a conversation with someone from EC tillotson the other day I
had brought up my troubles that I had running pumpers and he suggested
that some of the problem may be reduced by connecting the regulator
vent to the inside of the carb throat therefore balancing the pressure
on both sides of the regulator diaphram. I was lucky to get any
information out of them cause I know this EC guy does not like talking
about using any of his products or ideas on airplanes.
I may get excited one day and re try installing these carbs and
knowing the little more that I do now it may prove to be more
successfull....but Iam not banking on it.
I say good luck to anyone who tries new carbs.  An egt gauge is an
absolute must  and don't stray to far away from your landing area
during flight tests, you will most likely get lots of dead stick
practice.


--- In sakaos@yahoogroups.com, williams jeff <jeffwilliams0@y...>
wrote:
> I have scoured the net and found some good info but no suppliers.
Can anyone reccomend a supplier I could chat with?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> Juan Martin Amestoy <juanames@h...> wrote:
> Check out for the Mikuni Pumpers.
> They aren't an Injection system, but they will let you fly upside
down as much as you want!
> 
> I think you can buy them directly from Rans if you want.
> 
> Happy flying!
>
> Juan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: williams jeff
> To: sakaos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [sakaos] Re: 532 engine parts
>
>
> Great group. I have a question. I have heard some mixed reports
about pumper carbs for my 503. I also heard there may be injection out
there. Wondering if anyone has experience with either and if they have
any advice for me on search to negative!
>
> Phil L <highland@d...> wrote: Hi Maurice
> Glad you could join us. For those who want to view photos that have
> been uploaded, simply go to the side bar on the left of your screen
> and click on photos. Those who upload photos should create an album
> that will keep thier photos seperate from others who upload photos
> into thier own respective album.
> If you want to save a photo that you like to your own drive, simply
> click on the picture to make sure you are veiwing the largest
> resolution then press the right mouse button and choose "save image"
> or equiv. Hope this helps.
>
>
>
>
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I have gone through all this carb BS and can tell you Rans has no
recomendation for carbs for the 503. The Mikuni super BN carb they
supply is only suitable for the 582 ONLY and NO other engine. Some
people have had luck running the Ellison throttle body on the 532.
Ellison does not sell that model anymore and that particular model is
only suited for the 532 they do not reccomend using it on a 582 and
you would be wasting your time tring to run it on a 503. It is a very
chalanging proccess tring to get a pumper carb to work properly on a
503, believe me I have tried. I could get them working pretty good on
the ground but in the air they went so far out of wack that the engine
would run too hot at full throttle and so cold that the engine would
quit soon as the power was brought back.
I believe it could be made to work with much better understanding on 2
stroke induction and carb dynamics. I believe that I could have better
luck if the induction system was completly shielded from any sources
of pressure fluctuations generated from slip stream or ram air through
the cowl.
I had a conversation with someone from EC tillotson the other day I
had brought up my troubles that I had running pumpers and he suggested
that some of the problem may be reduced by connecting the regulator
vent to the inside of the carb throat therefore balancing the pressure
on both sides of the regulator diaphram. I was lucky to get any
information out of them cause I know this EC guy does not like talking
about using any of his products or ideas on airplanes.
I may get excited one day and re try installing these carbs and
knowing the little more that I do now it may prove to be more
successfull....but Iam not banking on it.
I say good luck to anyone who tries new carbs.  An egt gauge is an
absolute must  and don't stray to far away from your landing area
during flight tests, you will most likely get lots of dead stick
practice.


--- In sakaos@yahoogroups.com, williams jeff <jeffwilliams0@y...>
wrote:
> I have scoured the net and found some good info but no suppliers.
Can anyone reccomend a supplier I could chat with?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> Juan Martin Amestoy <juanames@h...> wrote:
> Check out for the Mikuni Pumpers.
> They aren't an Injection system, but they will let you fly upside
down as much as you want!
>
> I think you can buy them directly from Rans if you want.
>
> Happy flying!
>
> Juan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: williams jeff
> To: sakaos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [sakaos] Re: 532 engine parts
>
>
> Great group. I have a question. I have heard some mixed reports
about pumper carbs for my 503. I also heard there may be injection out
there. Wondering if anyone has experience with either and if they have
any advice for me on search to negative!
>
> Phil L <highland@d...> wrote: Hi Maurice
> Glad you could join us. For those who want to view photos that have
> been uploaded, simply go to the side bar on the left of your screen
> and click on photos. Those who upload photos should create an album
> that will keep thier photos seperate from others who upload photos
> into thier own respective album.
> If you want to save a photo that you like to your own drive, simply
> click on the picture to make sure you are veiwing the largest
> resolution then press the right mouse button and choose "save image"
> or equiv. Hope this helps.
>
>
>
>
>
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hi all,
does anyone out there know where i can get a dash template for a S9?
i'm sure i could probably order one, i was just wondering if any of
you may already have one.
i'm going to move my dash out another 6 to 8 inches. anyone here
done that yet?

troy

----- Original Message -----

From: Juan Martin Amestoy

To: sakaos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:01 AM

Subject: Re: [sakaos] Re: 532 engine parts

Check out for the Mikuni Pumpers.

They aren't an Injection system, but they will let you fly upside down as much as you want!

 

I think you can buy them directly from Rans if you want.

 

Happy flying!

Juan

 

----- Original Message -----

From: williams jeff

To: sakaos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:52 PM

Subject: Re: [sakaos] Re: 532 engine parts

Great group. I have a question. I have heard some mixed reports about pumper carbs for my 503. I also heard there may be injection out there. Wondering if anyone has experience with either and if they have any advice for me on search to negative! 

Phil L <highland@...> wrote:

Hi Maurice
Glad you could join us. For those who want to view photos that have
been uploaded, simply go to the side bar on the left of your screen
and click on photos. Those who upload photos should create an album
that will keep thier photos seperate from others who upload photos
into thier own respective album.
If you want to save a photo that you like to your own drive, simply
click on the picture to make sure you are veiwing the largest
resolution then press the right mouse button and choose "save image"
or equiv. Hope this helps.

----- Original Message -----

From: williams jeff

To: sakaos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:52 PM

Subject: Re: [sakaos] Re: 532 engine parts

Great group. I have a question. I have heard some mixed reports about pumper carbs for my 503. I also heard there may be injection out there. Wondering if anyone has experience with either and if they have any advice for me on search to negative! 

Phil L <highland@...> wrote:

Hi Maurice
Glad you could join us. For those who want to view photos that have
been uploaded, simply go to the side bar on the left of your screen
and click on photos. Those who upload photos should create an album
that will keep thier photos seperate from others who upload photos
into thier own respective album.
If you want to save a photo that you like to your own drive, simply
click on the picture to make sure you are veiwing the largest
resolution then press the right mouse button and choose "save image"
or equiv. Hope this helps.

hello everybody,
first of all let me say that i'm very glad to have found this
website! I'm really hoping to get a lot of useful info here.
Last week i had an engine out in my S9...it was during climbout and
i was at 800ft..to make a long story short, the off field landing
was pretty much uneventful, well, er, um, not counting the landing
gear.(lol)
At any rate, i decided that now would be a good time for a total
restoration(airframe is 1989). So, if any of you out there have any
good ideas, i sure would be glad to hear them.

Best regards,
                 Troy

Hi Maurice
Glad you could join us. For those who want to view photos that have
been uploaded, simply go to the side bar on the left of your screen
and click on photos. Those who upload photos should create an album
that will keep thier photos seperate from others who upload photos
into thier own respective album.
If you want to save a photo that you like to your own drive, simply
click on the picture to make sure you are veiwing the largest
resolution then press the right mouse button and choose "save image"
or equiv. Hope this helps.

Hello to All

I have a shelled (seized rod bearing) 532 for parts if any one is
interested.  Also a muffler from the new /used 582 that I bought.  Looks
like it would fit any type aircraft that has an external mounded engine.  I
enjoy every ones info, but not to tech savvy.  How do you download pictures
when somebody says they have them.

Happy flying

Maurice Sharp

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Pensenstadler

To: sakaos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:39 PM

Subject: [sakaos] Re: Hello to everybody

Juan,

It's great to hear from you and I'm glad you're a member of this
site. I can not take credit for starting it though. I believe it was
started by an S-9 driver named Phil.

It's good that Cesar is having a great time flying too. Please keep
us informed on the 912 inverted system. I would love to have one on
my S-10 but I'm not sure I can afford the price tag.

I cut out the metal pieces today that I will rivet onto the inside
of the ailerons to close the gap between the aileron and fuselage.
I'll put them on tomorrow and paint them later.

Also, I just received my VG's in the mail today so I'll put those on
and report on them soon.

Take care and visit often,

Mark


-

Juan,

It's great to hear from you and I'm glad you're a member of this
site. I can not take credit for starting it though. I believe it was
started by an S-9 driver named Phil.

It's good that Cesar is having a great time flying too. Please keep
us informed on the 912 inverted system. I would love to have one on
my S-10 but I'm not sure I can afford the price tag.

I cut out the metal pieces today that I will rivet onto the inside
of the ailerons to close the gap between the aileron and fuselage.
I'll put them on tomorrow and paint them later.

Also, I just received my VG's in the mail today so I'll put those on
and report on them soon.

Take care and visit often,

Mark


-

OK,

I have just posted 111 images. I realized very late that I forgot to
ask the authorization of most of the authors. I deeply apologise for
that. I assumed that everybody would like to share those beautiful
pictures. In any case please feel free to contact me if you want to
remove the pics ir if you want me to edit the album and inlcude the
credits. Sorry for my big mistake.

Happy flying!

Juan

Ok, I am gonna put some pictures on this webpage.
I am sure you already have those, but for the people new to this
aircraft could be interesting.

Happy flying!

Juan

Hello to Everybody and thanks Mark for setting up this group!!

It is wonderful to have a forum again.

I have translated the messages to Cesar Falistocco and he says you
are going to de excellent improvements to the S-10. He agrees with
you regarding the high drag in the back of the fuse.

He want you to contact him thorough me whenever you require some
kind of help or if you want him to test any kind of special device
you ar not too sure to try yourself.

By the way, he says he is going to put the Inverted System for the
912 and 912S Officially in mass production soon. Perhaps next month.

As for me, at this moment I am flying for a company in Cape Verde,
Africa, earning some money for my S-9 Chaos with Rotax 912S with
Inverted Flight System.

All the best and happy flying!!

Juan Amestoy

Hi everyone and welcome to the new S-10 and S-9 group. I belong to
two other RANS Yahoo groups and this is the way to go.

May I suggest that everyone click on the "Members" link to the left
and then click on your name. When you do this you can edit the info
and add a little about yourself. It's just nice to know a little
about the members...Where you're from? What you're flying? etc...

Mark

PJ,

Oshkosh was great but I think the trip there and back was more fun!
It was a great cross-country with two good friends. Kind of like a
good road-trip. Burt Rutan did talk but we missed it.

I will definitely fix the prop pitch as soon as I find a Warp drive
protractor. Like all good aircraft owners, I will scrounge before I
pay the $35 for a new one!

I actually measured it today and I am flying at 45% throttle. Any
more than that and I'm over 5500 rpm. Maybe 110 mph cruise is pretty
good at 45 horsepower, huh?

My canopies lift slightly from the low pressure on the top and
that's probably adding to the drag. Darn, I was hoping the VG's
would do some kind of voodoo magic and help. I did order them though
so I'll put them on and see if it does anything.

If you look at my webpage and look at my wing root seals, they go
the whole way around the wing (except the top 1/3 to allow the
canopy to close) but I never noticed if it increased the speed. I
would think that it must have slightly. My damn airspeed indicator
reads 15 mph fast anyway! I've tried messing with the pitot tube but
that didn't help. Think it's just a bad A/S ind.?

Well, let's keep experimenting on this good little airplane!

Mark

Hey, Mark.  How was Oshkosh?  Did Burt Rutan talk?

Sounds like your prop pitch is your main problem.  Fix that and you
will leave those kitfoxes behind in your shockwave.

I tufted the canopy and found the same things you did.  I also put
VG's ahead of the trouble bubble, on the trailing edge of the
windshield.  Great minds thing alike, eh?  Well, very little effect.
I believe there is air squirting out past my canopy seal, so I will
fix that first before continuing.  If you have any leak there at all,
that's a known cause for separation around a canopy.  I want to blow a
bubble canopy and get 6" more headroom from the deal.  I'm thinking,
replace the rear canopy bow with a full curve, leave the windshield as
-is, form the rear (low back) window from a flat lexan sheet, and
replace both canopy leafs with a single blown part hinged front & center.

The flow on the sides behind the wing was indeed more UP than BACK,
just as you saw.  I taped my wing root to see if it would add any
speed (I have only the stock root gap seal over the top leading edge).
  No effect.  It almost seemed to slow it down, but I have not used the
proper closed course GPS measurement method yet.  A BIG faring over
the wing root would surely help, but that would cover half the canopy
door leaf if done properly.  The flat wedge on the aileron idea might
do some good, but...  I'm suspecting that the flow going up there in
back of the turtle deck is needed, and blocking it off would possibly
cause more separation, and worse yet, interfere with flow to the tail.
  So, procede in steps if you block that off.  It might lower the stall
speed and improve the climb.

I really agree with you on the cowling, it was designed for style, not
logically.

Fix your prop, you are cruising on 50Hp.

To all,

Interesting you are doing tuft testing. I just got back from Oshkosh
along with two of my KITFOX buddies. They have the 80 horse Rotax,
no wheel pants, a cargo 'bomb' hanging on the bottom, and tons of
strut drag, and they were FASTER than me!

Something is wrong when I have 20% more horsepower than them, and my
airplane is aerodynamically cleaner than a KITFOX. So, I decided to
do some tuft testing also. My brother filmed the results and it is
amazing. For you S-10 flyers, know that the air is not attached at
all on the rear canopy and is not attached on the forward part of
the canopy that open. The air is not following those curves.

Also, it was interesting to see the yarn flowing UPWARD on the
bottom half of the rear canopy! That means that high pressure air
from the bottom of the wing is spilling up between the aileron and
fuse. I'm going to make a plate and rivit it to the bottom of the
aileron to close the gap between the aileron and fuse. Also, I too
just ordered VG's and will line the top of the forward canopy and
the rear of the canopy that opens. I believe these fixes will clean
up the airflow along the canopy and get me a few more mph's in
cruise.

I believe it's also time to make a new cowl. I've seen bigger intake
holes on 747's! With no baffeling under the cowl, I'm getting a ton
of cooling drag.

Finally, I called Poewrfin and told them that I'm at full pitch on
the 70" prop and I can't fly more than half throttle without
redlining the engine. They said that I can use a protractor from the
Warp props and add more pitch that way.

If you all are experimenting with this kind of stuff, let's post the
results here so we are not repeating the same tests! I'm sure I can
get another 20 mph out of this plane with the right fixes.

Mark

Wow!  stall is at least 4mph or more slower (8mph lower indicated, but
I'm sure of pitot/static error at this crazy AOA).  Best $80 I ever
spent.  I've also been tufting the wing and canopy with yarn and
masking tape, to observe the stall flow and canopy separation bubbles.

Loops are possible at lower speed, or at lower G's at high speed, now.
  It pops out of spins precicely, suddenly.  At a pretty low speed I
can swing the plane from full rudder one way to full rudder the other
way, swinging 45 degrees left to 45 degrees right - using the inertia
of the plane to swing it farther - and it refuses to spin.  The wings
hang on to lift tenaciously.  I feel confident to approach landings at
a lower speed as a result.

More on this if there is interest.  I'll post again when I have better
data on the cruise speed, stall speed, etc.

-PW

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