Hi Andrew

Have you thought of of the early Clydesiders sailing canoes?

Probably find you a design or a location for one if you haven't.
They were developments of the Nautilus/Pearl sailing canoes, I believe.

Edwin

Hi Dave,

That's a pretty narrow canoe you've got. There are sailing canoes, and
canoes that sail. My boats are decked, and are spread out to 36"-38",
and include hiking straps for the breezes. These boats will carry up to
55 sq' happily, though in winds over 15 knots they are a handful, in
open water. Your 22"er could use an outrigger. Then pile on the sail.
But wear a drysuit in the winter anyway!

--- Andy Farquhar <pongo19050@...> wrote:
> I noticed that Lew Clayman has joined our fringe.  In other forums,
> Lew consistently supplies apropos sayings of His Yoginess.  Can you
> think of any quotes from the master befitting sailing canoes?

I am honored to do so.

Although the Yogman has never, to my knowledge, addressed sailing
canoes directly, much of his wisdom is universal.  Now that you
mention it, though, the image of the Yogmeister *in* a sailing canoe
is a little bit disturbing.

I offer you this, as an opening benediction for the group:

"You gotta be careful if you don't know where you're goin',
because you might not get there."

You may now be seated.

[Questions about Yogi will be taken offlist.
  Answers will be given offhand.]

-Lew

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I built a 15' semi-V plywood stich and glue decked sailing canoe
from plans about six years ago. It had 22" beam and I fitted out a 45
sq ft Marconi sail sprit rig. I could NOT keep this boat upright. One
November morning four years ago I was sailing off Marblehead Harbor
in Massachusetts in moderate conditions when a puff turned the boat
turtle and try as I might I couldn't get he boat upright. There I was
slowly drifting to sea on the outgoing tide when a sympathetic
lobster boat took me aboard and the boat in tow. Thre are a number of
charistics that attract me to sailing canoes but I do not want to go
thru that experience a second time. Do they all tip over ? do any of
them sail to windward ?? Any advice would be appreiated.

regards,

Dave Thibodeau

I noticed that Lew Clayman has joined our fringe.  In other forums,
Lew consistently supplies apropos sayings of His Yoginess.  Can you
think of any quotes from the master befitting sailing canoes?

Regards

Andy Farquhar

Nice batwing!

I'm another sailing kayaker putting using another batwing rig
I'm going for a trimarran with a ketch setup
It's still under construction in the living room of my 2nd story apartment,
You can see the current construction pics of SWIFTWOOD  on my site

http://homepages.go.com/~briancunningham/mykayak.html

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The EV II is an 18 1/2 foot glued lapstrake canoe built on the lines
of a E.M. White Guide canoe.  A true EM White Guide has more rise in
the sheer at the stems than I was able to achieve with the glued
lapstrake method.  Below the gunnels, however, she is a pretty good
copy of the Guide's hull form.  She has a 36" beam and 12 1/2" depth
at the center thwart (she really has a depth which is a number which
I, a superstitious sort, will not write).  I made her out of 1/4 ply
per Tom Hill's method of glued lapstrake construction.  The garboards
and the first strake are covered in 6 oz. fiberglass cloth inside and
out.  This, with a 1x2 keelson and beefed up gunnels, makes for a
very stiff boat.  The other strakes are not glassed.  The exterior is
finished bright with a mixture of varnish, pine tar, turpentine and a
little japan drier- smells great.  She has cedar outwales and
hardwood inwales - finished bright.

I currently have her rigged with a lug of about 65 sq. ft.  It reefs
down to about 45 sq ft.  I have been using a sprit boom and rigged
her as a standing lug recently to solve downwind and sheeting angle
problems.  The mast and yard are hollow birdsmouth spars with the
mast covered with two layers of 6 oz. cloth set in epoxy.  The mast
is a former lanteen yard, which I beefed up with the glass.  I just
use a dumdsheave for the halyard.  The sprit boom is a rectangular
piece of cedar.  If I'm on the same tack for any length of time, I
rig her as a dipping lug.  When she is rigged as a dipping lug, I use
two sets of lines to the tack, sort of like a jib, with the tack to
whichever is the weather gunnel.  Its a little tricky to go forward
to dip the lug if I'm sailing singlehanded.  When I sail it boomless,
I also shift the sheet to attach via a snap to whicherever is the lee
gunnel.  When I rig her as a sprit boom, the sheet runs from the end
of the boom to a block on a rope trveller across the stern to my
hand.  When I'm feeling lucky, I jam the sheet into a clamcleat.  She
tends to roll when going downwind with the dipping lug.

If I need to tack a lot, I will rig her as a standing lug with the
sprit boom.  I have been using this rig lately and, while not as
powerful as the dipping lug, its a docile rig on all points and much
easier to tack.  The sprit boom also does not whack my head on tacks
or, even worse, jibes.  My eight year-old, fair weather helmsman took
great pleasure in purposefully jibing the boat with the former
lanteen rig and yelling "jibe ho" at about the moment the boom hit
his old man.  The crew before the mast, aged six, also got quite a
kick out of this.  The dog, as usual, would just go to the lee rail
and try to capsize us. The dipping lug does seem to generate a bit of
lift at the bow and carries us over, rather than into, waves.

I made the lug sail as an experiment out of Tyvek, which I purchased
from a kite supply company.  The tyvek has held up surprisingly well
through some pretty tough winds.  I keep telling myself to have some
real sails made, but I have not finished experimenting.  I have also
made sails out of polytarp, which have worked well.

I have a single leeboard hung from a removable thwart.  The board is
made from some very tight grained pine floorboard which I salvaged
from our attic (I have a bunch of this random width flooring, which
is great stuff - in my dreams, I make a carvel-planked real boat out
of the stuff.)  I am considering simplifying by hanging the leeboard
from a line attached to the keelson and shifting the board from side
to side during tacks.  If I do this, I'll attach a short rubrail
along the bottom edge of the sheerstrakes amidship.

In cold weather, I use whitewater flotation front and back.  The
canoe stays pretty dry in big water without spray covers, I think
because Mr. White designed his canoes to go on some big, windy Maine
lakes and rivers.  I am  making some spraycovers out of polytarp.  I
have taken out the stern seat because I paddle from in front of the
stern thwart.  I plan to drop the stern thwart and widen it some to
make it into a seat.

Although I have a rudder and the canoe has gudgeons on its stern, I
enjoy steering with a paddle.  I find that if I shift my weight
forward I turn into the wind; if I shift back I go off the wind.  I
have the leeboard set so that I have a little weather helm when I sit
in my usual spot.

I have been sailing most recently on the Mullica River in Southern
NJ.  We have had a very cold winter and I sail in increasingly
brackish water to avoid ice.  Lately, even the bays inside of the
barrier islands have had some ice on their rims.  It's kind of fun to
do an icebreaker impersonation - takes the mind off the cold - and my
oak stem bands really crack through the ice.

The canoe paddles well and tracks well, although she is not very
manueverable in tight whitewater - hence the name.  The EV II has
almost no rocker and little initial but much final stability.  She's
a good flyfishing platform in calm water.  The EV II, like her
namesake, does have amazing capacity - I've taken her tripping with
900lbs+ of people, dog and stuff.

If I go out this weekend, I'll take some snaps.



Regards,

Andy Farquhar

Hello, Jukka...

Thanks for including the pictures of your sailing rig. You've got a
spiffy looking set-up and boat.

I'm interested in what you say about "rudderless steering by
adjusting the center of lateral resistance (the hanging leeboard)."
How does your leeboard attach to the gunwale of your canoe when it's
set-up for this type of steering? Do you also use a paddle to steer?

The background scene of your pictures looks just like the sort of
water we sail on the Columbia River, around Astoria and Scappoose,
Oregon.

Take care, Bill

Hello,

I'm Jukka, doing my sailing mainly in Helsinki, Finland. I'm currently
interested in building a small proa from an open C-2 (see
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/swallowtail/33/velkano.htm). I
mainly use the canoe to beachcomb, sailing for fun and to get away
from the town for a week or so. There are ten of thousands on
beautiful islands along the Finnish coastline, interesting places to
visit. Canoe sailing is not a mainstream hobby in my country, only
recently there has been groving interest of rigging open canoes and
building decked sailing canoes.

There are couple of areas, where I have explored more deeply:
adjusting downwind sailing course by paddling in wheather side and
rudderless steering by adjusting the center of lateral resistance (the
hanging leeboard). It seems to fit in my design philosophy to try to
keep rigging as simple of possible. The background story in my web
page is in esperanto, but feel free to ask questions in engish too,
since it seems to be the group language here.

regards, Jukka

I jumped over here from Proas.  I have a paddling, poling, rowing,
sailing, motoring canoe out by my barn, that I built from "plans" in
Boy's Life Magazine in 1961.  It was called a pirogue in the article,
and was made from 2 sheets of 1/4" A/C plywood.  It is flat bottomed,
and since I added canvas decks and a cockpit coaming, as well as a
sort of sliding gunter, leeboard rig, it became more like a 14'
double ended sharpie.  Mom sewed the sail from unbleached muslin
after I pinned the seams the way I wanted them  I was 11 at the time.

Memories of sailing this canoe are among my fondest.  It was a bit
over canvassed for my weight, and seemed to fly, though it would not
plane. I sailed it on Petaluma Creek, Tomales Bay, and in Clear Lake,
Calif. At varoius times I rigged it for rowing with a sliding seat
(on patio screen door rollers), and motoring with a 1.5 hp
Cruise'n'Carry, and dragging along the sidewalk with a two wheeled
caddy, (wooden spoked wheels from a real old kid's wagon.)

I'll lurk, and pop up when the urge hits.

Here's a sailing canoe you can get for just $10.

A raffle on a 1943 Old Town HW model with an ORIGINAL sail rig!

see:
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/1080/raffle/raffle01.html

Bill Whalen

>Just a quick introduction, my name is David I live in Sussex, England.
>I have a home made plywood open canoe 14.5ft loa. and would like to
>make a suitable sailing rig for it, I also have a PBK 10, and would
>like to know if anyone has tried sailing one of these? so any advice
>is welcome.


Hi David,

I'm not sure what a PBK 10 is, Percy Blandford I bet, and 10-ft; you might
look at the "Bolger Sailing Peero" on my Cheap Pages for some ideas. The
Peero is 12ft,and 24 inches beam but you could certainly remove 1 ft from
each end without affecting the cockpit area so it's functionally in the
10ft vicinity. The leeboard, rudder could be adapted pretty much as is, but
your rig might need to be a little smaller. The Peero carries about 30 sq
ft. in a lugsail.

Also on my Cheap Pages, E.F. Knight describes how he rigged a leeboard on a
flat-bottom "canoe" (probably a flat-bottom skiff/pirogue) in Florida and
sailed it, "much to the surprise of the natives". It's just a couple thole
pins, a leeboard, some rope.

Sam Manning did a great article many years back in Woodenboat on a sort of
lash-together minimalist sailing rig, and I've written him to ask if I can
reproduce it on the Web. We shall see <chuckle>.


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Just a quick introduction, my name is David I live in Sussex, England.
I have a home made plywood open canoe 14.5ft loa. and would like to
make a suitable sailing rig for it, I also have a PBK 10, and would
like to know if anyone has tried sailing one of these? so any advice
is welcome.

Hi Everone!
I want to thank Andy for setting up the new canoe sailing web site,
should stir lots of interest.

As the canoe sailing coordinator for the WCHA, I encourage everyone
with a wooden canoe to join our organization.  Each summer at the
WCHA assembly we have canoe sailing activities.  Last summer we
limited the activites to a racing regatta (won by Bill Whalen of the
Dayton Canoe Club in his 1918 Old Town "Ideal").  In addition, we had
some experts give workshops on canoe sailing.  This summer I hope to
expand the workshops, and instructional information.  We will again
hold the regatta (just fun racing - which really improves your
sailing skills), but we will add some day sailing activities.

The second week in April I'm leaving on a canoe sailing trip from the
Back Bay Wildlife Refuge in Virginia Beach, VA to Hatteras Island,
NC.  I'll be sailing as we say down here, "on the inside", sailing
the bays and sounds on the west side of the Outer Banks.  I'll be
doing a story for Wooden Canoe magazine about the trip.

When you get a change log onto the WCHA site at www.wcha.org, click
on table of contents, then click on WCHA Sailing.  Lots of tips on
rigging a canoe for sailing.

I look forward to sailing with many of you and I hope all wooden
canoe sailors will join us this summer at the WCHA Assembly in New
York.

Tom Tompkins
WCHA Canoe Sailing Coordinator
Cedar Island Canoes
Virginia Beach, VA

Welcome Paul.

Todd Bradshaw describes canoe sailers as "the fringe element of a
relatively quiet industry" in his new book on canoe rigs.  I guess
that makes us all fringe so that you'll fit in well.  Besides, I
would not know where to draw the line between a decked canoe and a
kayak.

If you have any photos of your expeditions, I would love to see them.

Regards

Andy Farquhar

I've just joined the group and thought I'd introduce myself. I have
built 3 strip kayaks, one to my own design, one a copy of a
production boat I liked, and one to a SW Greenland eskimo design
taken from "The Bark Canoes and Skin Boats of North America"; I'm now
finishing a Ted Moores 'Redbird' which will not be very well suited
to sailing due to the low freeboard. But for 5 years now I have done
a great deal of sailing in 'decked canoes': two double folding
kayaks, a Klepper and later a Nautiraid. The Klepper was first sailed
in various locations around South America under a blue poly-tarp
sail, closet-pole mast and homemade leeboards, a year later I was
offered the complete original S-4 sailing rig to my Klepper (vintage
1965) and promptly installed it in a new Nautiraid I bought around
the same time. The 'raid with the S-4 sail has since seen alot of
territory, sailing everywhere from Yellowstone Lake to a 5-day beach-
camping trip, entirely under sail, up the Amazon and Tapajos rivers
of Brazil. I've long been fascinated with the 'batwing' sails of
historical canoe sailing rigs, and have even gone so far as to buy
sailcloth to attempt such a rig for my kayak, though the project
hasn't made it much farther than that. But I hope to glean some info
from this group on any modifications that might be useful to sailing
small, keel-less tippy boats, any old bits of rigging or other
modifications to make sailing easier or perhaps improve the
performance.
I hope you guys don't mind your group being infiltrated by a fringe
kayaker..... my interests are very broad and I do have a great
admiration for the traditional sailing canoes, and would like to
learn more.

Paul Lefebvre

Aaron:

That's plenty of freeboard.  I think that the depth at the center of
EV II is about 12 1/2".  When fully loaded with kids, dog, and toys
we go way under 10" of freeboard without even heeling.  My helmsman,
age eight, is a good bailer.  The canine crew, unfortunately, seems
to like the lee rail.

Regards

Andy Farquhar

Hi All -
I built a super cheap "sailing canoe" last spring and used it
constantly last summer. It was my first attempt at boatbuilding (and
sailing for that matter). I built "Uncle John's" Pirogue and
downloaded some free sail plans and made that out of aluminum conduit
and blue tarp ( with nice silver duct tape accents)(sprit rig). Like I
said CHEAP. It only has about 11 inches of freeboard which makes for
some fairly exciting sailing on windy days! (I took water over the
side on several occasions - but never sank!) Anyways - I made a
million mistakes but learned tons about building and sailing and can't
wait to build my next one.
  I will proably just do alot of lurking on this list and try to learn
from you al

Hi there
It's great to see this list up and running, we tried it a few years ago,
but I guess there weren't enough folks on-line at that point to make it
work.....

Anyway, my name is Dave Robinson and I am the president of the Ontario
Canoe Sailing Association, a small, scattered but enthusiastic group of
canoe sailers up here in the land of the ice and snow. I currently have two
canoes that I sail.

My first love is called "Pirin" and is a 1950's Peterborough low-end
Champlain with a stock Peterborough mast-step way up on the bow stem and a
corresponding mast partner in a short thwart abaft the stock deck. The sail
is a Lost In The Woods Voyaguer 44 sq. ft. lateen and the leeboard, also a
LITW design, is mounted on a clamp on thwart. She is steered with a paddle.
This is the boat that I race and the one that Rob Hupfield paddled and
sailed to victory in Duluth 2 years ago. With the mast so far forward, she
is very fast on a run but work to sail to weather.

My second love is a Ted Moored built 16 foot decked sailing canoe best
described as an obese Rushton. "Lady Galadriel" is a beautiful boat with
mahogany and ash herring-bone decks and high-back caned ash-seats. She has
3 mast steps, allowing eith a single or double masted rig. I have yet to
sail her with two masts (I'm making some test sails out of tyvek) but have
had loads of fun cruising her around on lazy afternoons using the sail from
Pirin. She is steered by a traditional low-aspect kick-up rudder hung on
the stem and moved by a push-pull tiller. She has a curved dagger-board
that drops through a slot and trunk forward of the cockpit.

I also have a Lost In The Woods rigging deck which I have mounted at
various times on my 16' Prospector, 13' Huron and my wife's 15' Prospector.

All of these boats have at one time or another been to our annual OCSA
Rendezvous in Parry Sound. This past season saw Rob Hupfield and I racing
identical Peterborough low-end Champlains, he with an ACA rig, me with the
more traditional Lateen. I actually beat him handily on the run to the
leeward mark, however he passed me on the weather leg. I'll post some pix
of our rendezvous when I get a minute.

Looking forward to the conversations
Dave Robinson



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  from the watershed of the mighty Holland River.......
				  David Robinson, Heather McCance
					 and Cara Robinson
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                Tripper Dave's Home Page: http://www.tap.net/~daver
       Virtual Voyageur Canoe Club http://www.tap.net/~daver/VVCC.phtml
Ontario Canoe Sailing Association http://www.tap.net/~daver/ocsa.phtml

Shortly I'll put an illustration from Kirk Munroe's boys' adventure book
"CANOEMATES" into the files section. It's a tale, ca 1892, of adventure
across the Everglades, starring a couple of cedar-lapstrake canoes.


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--- In sailing_canoes@egroups.com, Jim Luton <islander253@e...> wrote:
> My question to Andy is, why a sprit boom an a
> balance lug?

Jim:

I'm still under the influence of my recent dental adventure and the
painkillers.  It's a standing lug with a sprit boom.  I have rigged
it as a balanced lug with a vang.

Regards

Andy Farquhar

Hello all,

As an introduction:
I've been canoe sailing for 7 or 8 years, with a
variety of rigs and configurations, mono and
multi-hulled (also spend some time on keelboats
and catamarans). I race canoes in both the ACA and
C Class, but spend a large amount of time
daysailing and poking around. Our home port
(myself and my other self, Holly) is the Sebago
Canoe Club in Brooklyn, NY; the littoral, Jamaica
Bay, though lately we're splitting time between
there and Sandy Hook Bay with our Hobie 16. We
sail 2 different canoes and 1 kayak, with 5 or 6
different rigs. One, from a while back, was a
gunter (really a high peaked gaff) sloop with
furling jib. It was a good rig, with 2 deep reefs
in the main, but proved too fussy in the long run,
and I haven't used it in a while. The mast should
have been longer, and I just never got around to
tuning it completely. I moved the jib and furling
gear over to a single outrigger with C Class main.
Very fast.

As we all know, canoes are excellent vehicles with
which to experiment. They are cheap enough to own
several, and fool with endlessly. I'd hate to bark
up the wrong tree with 400 sq' of multihull rig.

My question to Andy is, why a sprit boom an a
balance lug? The luff of the balance lug serves as
vang, as does the sprit boom, but without the
annoyance of crossing the mast, plus snotter, and
associated reefing problems. My own choice
(lugsail) would be the standing lug, and add a
vang. Peak it high, and you have a not
unreasonable windward rig. If you are really
fussy, you can dip the yard, but this probably has
no great effect on performance. More of a mindset.
The rig reefs very easily.

I have many pictures that can be seen at
http://www.islanderdesign.com/galFra.html   I
don't have the files on this computer to upload to
egroups, but can do so if anyone wants. Go to my
website above and have a look.

Regards, Jim Luton

Andy,
I got the book as an early Christmas gift from myself. I bought it in
September while taking a class at WoodenBoat School. It took until
December for the book to arrive here. I have skimmed it and then put
it aside for the Holidays, but now I can get back to it when it comes
to the surface of one of the reading material stacks.
My canoe started from Mac Mccarthy's patterns for a Rushton Ugo canoe,
but I increased the frame spacing at the bow and straightened the
stern stem to make rudder installation easier. The rig is a gunter
with a sprit boom. I have to make a taller mast though because I can't
see under the sail. The snotter also conflicts with lowering the sail
for reefing. Just a few items to be worked out.
Thanks to all of you for starting the group.

Ron

On Tue, 09 Jan 2001 21:19:59 -0000, you wrote:

>I just arrived home from the dentist (two root canals - and I'm a
>total pain weenie) and found as some sort of devine reward a copy of
>Mr. Bradshaw's book "Canoe Rig - The Essence and the Art."
>
>It's a wonderful read and should prove useful.  It has several rigs
>and details, such as gunter hardware, that I always wondered about.
>
>Has anyone else seen the book?
>
>It does not contain my rig of the moment - a balanced lug with a
>sprit boom - but it contains information about balanced lugs and
>sharpie sprit bomm rigs that will be useful.
>
>It also contains an interesting discussion of steering with a paddle
>versus stering with a rudder.  Last Summer, I forgot my rudder and
>was forced to steer with a paddle.  I have not hung the rudder
>since.  Between shifting my weight fore and aft and using the paddle
>I usually maintain decent control.  It does get a little hairy if I
>need to sit on a gunnel or, even worse, hike out.  Are there other
>rudderless folks out there?
>
>Regards
>
>Andy Farquhar
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>sailing_canoes-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>

Craig has left a greeting in the files section.  I have downloaded
two pics of my canoe.

My canoe is named the EV II for the Exxon Valdez.  Like its namesake,
it needs a lot of sea room to turn around, at least in comparison to
my 16' solo canoe (No, the captain is not intoxicated at the helm).

The pics are pretty horrible; I'll scan in some clearer ones soon.
The sail is homemade from tyvek.  It's about 65 sq. ft. with a 24"
reef.  It's a standing lug with a sprit boom.  Now it's sheeted to a
rope traveller (horse?) at the stern seat.  I have taken it out in
some good wind and it has held up fine - better than me.  I have also
rigged it as a dipping lug, with the mast raked forward a bit, and a
balanced lug.  The dipping lug really pulls but is hard to tack
single-handed.

Regards

Andy Farquhar

Dan:

We are all new members.

Do you have any pics of your rig?  Where are the masts placed?  It
sounds very fast, but too tender for me.

Regards

Andy Farquhar

I just arrived home from the dentist (two root canals - and I'm a
total pain weenie) and found as some sort of devine reward a copy of
Mr. Bradshaw's book "Canoe Rig - The Essence and the Art."

It's a wonderful read and should prove useful.  It has several rigs
and details, such as gunter hardware, that I always wondered about.

Has anyone else seen the book?

It does not contain my rig of the moment - a balanced lug with a
sprit boom - but it contains information about balanced lugs and
sharpie sprit bomm rigs that will be useful.

It also contains an interesting discussion of steering with a paddle
versus stering with a rudder.  Last Summer, I forgot my rudder and
was forced to steer with a paddle.  I have not hung the rudder
since.  Between shifting my weight fore and aft and using the paddle
I usually maintain decent control.  It does get a little hairy if I
need to sit on a gunnel or, even worse, hike out.  Are there other
rudderless folks out there?

Regards

Andy Farquhar

Hello,

I am a new member.

My current interest is sailing a double-ACA-rigged canoe.
It's like a mini schooner with two masts, each supporting an ACA sail rig.
What I like about it is its speed, balance, and maneuverability.
Is there anyone out there who would be interested in more info?

Dan Reiber

If you'd like to point anyone to the subscriber page for this group,
the following URL should work:

http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/sailing_canoes

Allow me to introduce myself.  I live in the now frozen Philadelphia
area and have built two canoes - a 16' solo stripper and a glued
lapstrake canoe built to the lines from an 18 1/2' EM White Guide.  I
have built a leeboard, leeboard thwart, spars and sails and have been
sailing the guide canoe for two years or so.  I usually steer with a
paddle.

I could find no discussion groups on the web dedicated to sailing
canoes, and so I convinced Craig O'Donnel to start this one.  I
encourage you to join us and let other canoe sailers know about the
group.  Despite two years' experience, I am still a complete novice
sailor and could benefit from everyone's experience.

I recently switched from a lanteen sail to a homemade lug sail.  I
first rigged it as a dipping lug, but could never get a good sheeting
angle and also had some hairy downwind sails.  Also, dipping the lug
single-handed was not that fun.  I have also rigged it as a standing
lug and a balanced lug, both with booms.  My latest experiment has
been with a stading lug with a sprit boom.  I am thinking of adding a
jib or a mizzen to put up a little more sail.  Has anyone out there
sailed a canoe rigged as a ketch or a yawl (or a schooner)?

Regards,

Andy Farquhar