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Re: [sago_outrage] Ludlow, Colorado Statue

Hello Richard.  I wouldn't be surprised if it were the Rockefelllers who desecrated the statue, a few years ago, or removed the one I remember seeing.  I guess it wouldn't be difficult to confirm or shoot down my belief, by asking people who had seen the statue in the 70's and earlier.  Most maps don't even show Ludlow.  I'm not an alarmist nor conspiracy nut, I really believe the statue I saw has been removed, because of it's strong content and real view of history.  But, I don't need it to have existed, to know that miners are criminally mistreated, in Britain, W. Virginia, Pennsylvania, China, Utah, etc. and the plight of the miners is not a priority of the mine owners.  Good day to you,  tom frazee

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Richard Myers <rtmyers@...> wrote:

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I visited Ludlow, Colorado, in 1979, and drove to the monument, the man at the Gas Station on Highway I-25 directed me to.  [...]  I remember a different statue than I saw in the photos of Ludlow.  I understand that the statue was damaged, but, I remember a shockingly vivid sculpture of National Guardsman on horseback, trampling women and children.  The statue I saw in the photo was quite tame.  I was really moved when I looked at it. [...]    Can you shed any light on my claim that their was a different statue, than the one, their is today?  Thank you, Sincerely, tom frazee
 
Tom, you may be remembering a particular incident from that strike, commemorated (as far as i know) only by a series of poor quality photos, and a few brief accounts on the web. Here is one of those accounts:
 
The winter of 1913-1914 was one of the worst in recorded Colorado history. Food was scarce and the tents were cold and wet. In January 1914, Mother Jones (that's her on the left) arrived in Trinidad. Even though she was over 80 years old, the coal owners had her arrested immediately and confined in a psychiatric ward at Mt. San Rafael Hospital (she must have been crazy, she opposed John D. Rockefeller). On January 21, 1914, miners' wives and children organized a parade to protest her arrest. Adjutant General Chase, commander of the Colorado Militia, was so furious he confronted the women and, in the excitement, fell off his horse. The women laughed and humiliated him with derogatory remarks about his prowess as a horseman. Embarrassed, he gave orders to "ride down the women!" His troops then attacked the women and children with their sabers drawn and injured quite a few.
 
 
Here is a photo of General Chase in Trinidad:
 
 
It comes from this page, written by Professor Eric Margolis, who is an expert on Ludlow:
 
 
I have a website with info about the Ludlow Monument, including photos from the vandalism:
 
 
...with some photos of the repaired statues here:
 
 
The original statue was modeled after the Costas, one of the families that were killed in the massacre.
 
Note that the "ride down the women" incident happened in nearby Trinidad. The first few photos of a monument on this page (last link above) were taken in Trinidad.
 
If there is a monument anywhere in Colorado to General Chase, i'm not aware of it. But it couldn't possibly survive in those mining communities where he was despised, in my opinion -- it would have to be at the statehouse, or Colorado National Guard headquarters, or somewhere like that...
 
Here is another Yahoo newsgroup about the Ludlow Monument (and the massacre), which you may be interested in (and which i also moderate):
 
 
That would be a GREAT place to ask your question, since there are a number of Ludlow historians on the list.
 
 
best wishes,
richard myers
 
 




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I visited Ludlow, Colorado, in 1979, and drove to the monument, the man at the Gas Station on Highway I-25 directed me to. Harry Bridges of the Union I.L.W.U....
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Tom Frazee typed: I visited Ludlow, Colorado, in 1979, and drove to the monument, the man at the Gas Station on Highway I-25 directed me to. [...] I remember...
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Here is one of the "ride down the women" photos, from the Colorado Bar Association website. Caption: [The] Colorado State Federation of Labor, with the okay of...
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Hello Richard. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the Rockefelllers who desecrated the statue, a few years ago, or removed the one I remember seeing. I guess...
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Hello all, Here's the link to the Wikipedia article concerning the Ludlow Monument, perhaps it will provide some answers . . . ...
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