hello I'm new to the group

I AM TARIQ HERE FROM INDIA ANYONE HAVING MASNAVI WITH URDU TRANSLATION IN AUDIO
MP3 FORMAT OR ,MASNAVI IN HINDI
PLEASE REPLY ME

THANKS

TARIQ

Friends
There will be Rumi readings by Peter Rogen with traditional music as follows:

Oct 21 - SUNY/Albany - (evening)
Oct 22 - SUNY/Albany -  (morning)
Oct 24 - SUNY/Ulster -  (evening)
Oct 25 - UMASS (in Northampton) -
Oct 27 - Boston College
Nov 4  - College of NJ (Ewing NJ) -

Write for more information
Arsalaan
dharps@...

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Greetings:
The best resource in English for information on Shams Tabrizi, and Rumi in
General is Rumi: Past, Present, East, West by Franklin Lewis.

Also available are two translations of Maqalat by Shams Tabrizi:

"Rumi and Me" by William Chittick. A scholarly translation from Persian of about
2/3 of this difficult to translate work; and

Rumi's Sun: The Teachings of Shams of Tabriz.  Translated to English from the
Turkish translation of Golpinarli by Refik Algan and re-written in American
English by Camille Helminski

Peace
Arsalaan

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i want to know about the relation ship of Rumi and Shams tabreez and what was
the teaching of smamas tamreez

Dear Fellow Humans,

Rumi and other saints' channeled chat on 18 May 2009 may be reached at:

http://www.beyondsufism.net/Messages/090518.htm

Love, See & Share

Sevgi Kalender

http://www.beyondsufism.net

Has anybody sung this poem by Rumi. Please help me if anybody knows.
Its a bit urgent.

http://www.dailyom.com/articles/3/2009/17069.html

Fellow humans,

ONEness of HEARTs is the name of volumes of chats [spiritual teachings]  channeled from Mevlana Rumi to Garib since 1968 until today. Its style is similar to Mesnevi [Mathnawi], however, the content is quite different. Mevlana Rumi points out the difference as follows:

...
Let me say word to your luck, [let me tell you about your luck]
Let me make it known to you [that]
You are luckier than the ones who came next to me on my day [when I was on earth].
With the ones who came next to me on my day,
[with the ones] Who set up the congregation
I used to talk as mortal.
I came to your day,
I made it known by being cognizant of the Light of my Allah.
On my day I looked for,
On your day I made be known what I found;
Its [the] difference is a lot.
...
(ONEness of HEARTs –Volume 1-Part 17- 17 May 1970)

...
Patience is the key of the path.
"Is it so in Mesnevi [Mathnawi] also?" is said. [Mesnevi= collection of Sufi teachings by Mevlana Rumi while he was on earth in the 13th century]
If I say, "yes," [then] it is irrelevant.
Because today's writing
Is not [a] continuation of yesterday's,
It is not the same either.
In order to be Mesnevi [Mathnawi],
One has to burn with His deep love.
[however,]
When it is said after arriving [in Him],
After burning with His Light,
It gets out of being Mesnevi. [it is not Mesnevi any more]
It takes the name of "Hak's [God's] word."
Mesnevi [Mathnawi][is] from me to Him,
Word today, is the word from Him to you.
...
(ONEness of HEARTs -Volume 1-Part 53- 14 October 1971)

The one who wishes, may reach ONEness of HEARTs at:

ONEness of HEARTs –Volume 1:

ONEness of HEARTs – Volume 2:

Love & Share

Sevgi Kalender

http://www.BeyondSufism.net

To all of you that feel the call to explore the endless potential of
love, journey now with love's greatest student – and master – the 13th
century mystic poet of Persia : Jelaluddin Rumi. Rumi's incredible,
profound verses invite us to experience a love beyond our senses,
beyond time, beyond language: a love that removes all boundaries and
answers all desire.
Sina Yasavolian recites selections of Nader Khalili's translations in
a graceful, lyrical dance to an original musical score by Hamoon
Tehrani . His music awakens our hearts as Sina's soothing voice and
Rumi's sensitive words transport our spirits to a place of union with
the infinite divine presence. In her readings, Sina exhibits a deep
respect and understanding of Rumi's writing, which she generously
shares with us. Do more than listen to this poetry and music; let it
color your soul. You can buy and download these music, directly from
this site. hope you enjoy it.
you can visite these web site for the CD.

http://trueloverumi.com/shop.html

http://cdbaby.com/cd/sina2

http://www.amazon.com/Rumis-Love-Sina/dp/B0012DKIBU/ref=sr_1_35?ie=UTF8&s=music&\
qid=1233635484&sr=8-35



love and light

Sina

Hello all,

I am an independent filmmaker and photographer based in Toronto,
I have been trying to produce kind of art on which reflects spiritual
experiences and the wisdom of the Rumi's world. It's a very serious
and hard take, but full of joy and pleasure,
Wondering if there is any like-minded artists or seekers in this group
for possibly further collaboration ...

Take care of your soul

Salam ..to all,

To me rumi given us a way the concepts of love in sufism..it seems that
there are many way in searching a path of Allah .

Suggest to read Kasf a-Mahjub writer al-juwahiri..i have a full page a
book that  have been translated in english version..please email to me
if needed and i can be reach at:

surau.salikin@...


--- In rumi_info@yahoogroups.com, ASIM KHAN <asimkhanpk@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Followers,
>
> I would like to introduce an Spritual book named as IRFAN (Urdu /
English) which is written by an Spritual Father Hazrat Faqir Noor
Muhammad Qadri Kalachwi on the bassis of practical experiment by himself
under Supervision of Hazrat Sultan Bahu Rehmatullah Allahy it is a great
knowledge to finding Allah and ourself, especially its Chapter of Ilmay
Akseer (Ismay Zaat Allah) and Ilmay Takseer (Ilmay Dawat ahlay Rohani)
may some one can find some thing in his body as a slice of SOUL.
>
> Please must read it and then discuss about it with all of us and self
assess now where we r.
>
> M. ASIM KHAN
>
> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, ahmedalizafar3000 ahmedalizafar3000@... wrote:
>
> From: ahmedalizafar3000 ahmedalizafar3000@...
> Subject: [Rumi] Re: Spritualisam demanding Tazkia Nafs, Tasfia Qalb &
Tajaliah Rooh
> To: rumi_info@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:31 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Aoa, i am glad people are responding and in a positive manner. well
> firstly i am sorry, my language is really crude. and my sense of
> using words is really worse. please forgive me for that.
> so my brothers let me tell you that this is not an easy path. those
> of you who wish to go in heaven, and are afraid of hell, please i
> would advice them that you can go and live a normal 5 time muslim
> life. Allah will grant you everything. he is the Lover of all
> Lovers. those of you who want to go or reach to Allah Itself, who
> want to know themselves, this path is for those people. and let me
> tell you Allah is not available on a low price.
> Now as for reaching Allah or looking into yourself (both are one and
> the same things, opposite sides of a mirror). There are three ways:
> 1. Shariat.
> 2. Tareeqat.
> 3. Love
>
> Rumi and the other sufis that are explained here were the one in the
> third series. The spreaded the religion of Love in the language of
> Heart. And there are alot of things that need to be catered for along
> with love. there is the realization, meaning things that you say or
> do, speaking truth to your self and above all loving yourself and
> others. Now please dont get me wrong but loving one's ownself does
> not mean that he/she starts caring for his/her dress or looks. Love
> to your self is speaking truth to yourself. e.g. if you like an
> apple, and you say that i like an apple. it is a truth. Your words
> are synchronized with your inner self. you actually mean your words.
>
> this is the truth. now please ask your selves this question. How
> many times do you SAY assalam-o-alaikum (may there be peace on you)
> in a day? and How many times do you actually MEAN that assalam-o-
> alaikum (may there be peace on you). When i checked myself. never. i
> have countless times wished salam, but never even one single time in
> my life i meant that may there be peace upon you, on anyone person i
> met.
> Now this is the truth. It is really harsh my friends, really harsh.
> and this is just one thing. we never mean anything we do, do we? i
> dont know about others, i only know myslef, "Awwal akhir app no
> jaana ; na koi dooja aur pehchanaan" (it is one of Bulley Shah's
> saying) i dont do it. so please we start by meaning things, what
> ever we do? what ever!!!!! and by whatever i mean what ever. we mean
> it. from the deepest core of my heart i mean it.
>
> Lastly brothers this is not a thing you can DISCUSS over such medium,
> so if any of you likes to contact me or he lives in
> rawalpindi/islamaba d. he can mail me, and we will meet up Insha-
> Allah and discuss it. Lets see how many of you "mean" to do
> something?
>
> May Allah give us What He wants to give us.
> mY apologies if somebody gets hurt by my wording. please focus on
> the meaning.
>

Aoa,
Lastly my brothers i have one more thing to say to you. "HAVE THE
REALIZATION THAT ALLAH IS WATCHING YOU". i mean HE is watching you
since you were baby, and uptill your death that, once even if once,
we have the desire to go to Him or reach Him, he may bless us. if
once we are speaking the truth he may bless us. and SEE what are we
having in our own minds? where are we giving our respects?
e.g. if alone you watch some immoral programme and enjoy it. would
you watch it when you are sitting with your family??????
when you have your brother or father or mother along with you or any
elder, would you watch something that is a taboo!!!!!!!!
never....
you respect your parents and in that respect you will never do
something that will hurt their feelings or change their attitude
towards you.
Now What of Allah Himself, Who is watching over you all the time.
Who is so close to you that even your main aorta (Shah RAG)
isnt!!!!!!! How much respect you give to Him? Dont you feel ashamed
when you do something in front of Him. The Creator who has given
everything to you. So my fellows build this realization inside your
hearts, it is not something to do with brain. Keep on realizing that
Allah is watching you and live in it.
This is the problem with "maulwi". in every age sufi's like Rumi
himself were the thorn in the maulwis way. because maulwi focuses
that  "People must come to me (instead of going to Allah)", "When
you pray you must realize that you are in front of Allah." This
realization is not limited to 5 times a day. Allah is watching us
24/7, round the clock, our whole age, and we think that we are doing
something if we are just keeping Allah in our minds and hearts for 5
times a day only, which is not even worth some evaluation!!!!!
Let me tell you if anyone of us is blessed with Heaven, it is just
becuase of Allah's mercy, nothing else. So i would like to ask you
to do this thing round the clock. And then automatically you will be
on the righteous path. Bulley Shah said "IK NUKTE WICH GAL MUKDI
AYE"(every thing revolves around one point). What is that point?
That point is realization of Allah watching you, having Love for
Allah and His creation, having felt guilty over the sins and
stupidity we have been doing our whole lives.
Please for some of you, dont get dishearted by "I am such a Bad
Person, I will never get forgiveness". PLease dont let this thought
engulf you. "HOPELESS NESS" is not a virrtue told by Allah. Go to
Him. He will cleanse you. How do you hope for cleanliness if you do
not go near the water. Feel ashamed for that you have done but never
let it become a hurdle for your link with Allah for the shame will
lower the Divine Wrath , and still going to HIm will be like Asking
out for MErcy.
Sprerad Love with the Realization that Allah is watching you.



My recent replies are in the light of one of my brother's asking.
Please forgive me if you feel my words. i have already said it in my
other messages but please focus on the meaning, focus on the point
that i want to make clear.
May Allah bless us with What He wants.
My regards to all of YOU. Live Happy :)

Aoa, i am glad people are responding and in a positive manner. well
firstly i am sorry, my language is really crude. and my sense of
using words is really worse. please forgive me for that.
so my brothers let me tell you that this is not an easy path. those
of you who wish to go in heaven, and are afraid of hell, please i
would advice them that you can go and live a normal 5 time muslim
life. Allah will grant you everything. he is the Lover of all
Lovers. those of you who want to go or reach to Allah Itself, who
want to know themselves, this path is for those people. and let me
tell you Allah is not available on a low price.
Now as for reaching Allah or looking into yourself (both are one and
the same things, opposite sides of a mirror). There are three ways:
1. Shariat.
2. Tareeqat.
3. Love

Rumi and the other sufis that are explained here were the one in the
third series. The spreaded the religion of Love in the language of
Heart. And there are alot of things that need to be catered for along
with love. there is the realization, meaning things that you say or
do,  speaking truth to your self and above all loving yourself and
others. Now please dont get me wrong but loving one's ownself does
not mean that he/she starts caring for his/her dress or looks. Love
to your self is speaking truth to yourself. e.g. if you like an
apple, and you say that i like an apple. it is a truth. Your words
are synchronized with your inner self. you actually mean your words.

this is the truth. now please ask your selves this question. How
many times do you SAY assalam-o-alaikum (may there be peace on you)
in a day? and How many times do you actually MEAN that assalam-o-
alaikum (may there be peace on you). When i checked myself. never. i
have countless times wished salam, but never even one single time in
my life i meant that may there be peace upon you, on anyone person i
met.
Now this is the truth. It is really harsh my friends, really harsh.
and this is just one thing. we never mean anything we do, do we? i
dont know about others, i only know myslef, "Awwal akhir app no
jaana  ;  na koi dooja aur pehchanaan" (it is one of Bulley Shah's
saying) i dont do it. so please we start by meaning things, what
ever we do? what ever!!!!! and by whatever i mean what ever. we mean
it. from the deepest core of my heart i mean it.


Lastly brothers this is not a thing you can DISCUSS over such medium,
so if any of you likes to contact me or he lives in
rawalpindi/islamabad. he can mail me, and we will meet up Insha-
Allah and discuss it. Lets see how many of you "mean" to do
something?

May Allah give us What He wants to give us.
mY apologies if somebody gets hurt by my wording. please focus on
the meaning.

Dear Colleagues,

First to find your self where you r and what u want to do.
U can ask few question to ur self.
- Your  way.
- Your connection (Qadri, Naqshbani, Soharwardi etc.)
- Spritual Leader.
and so many things are belonging to this network. Hope the  every one will 
discuss it.
M. ASIM KHAN

 
 
 
 

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Ahmad saheb thanks!!!!!!!!1

for sharing ur view ,u r right bt i believe u would be agree that
first we need to ponder over such ideas then only we can come to a
path to follow.
Each of us has a unique way of pattern -same we aply to decipher any
matter or song/lyrics/saying ,What i love most about u dat u
expressed ur concern, U know  we are so weak dat we cannot bear
blunt statement like this, we all are happy in our
circumstances ,doing everything bt in words virtually.
When it comes to practical we are tied up in gross thing.So u make a
plan and share ur idea for all above mention action to purify urself.
If everybody like that then we can coem to any result iffff
everybody of this group participate .

Regards.

--- In rumi_info@yahoogroups.com, "ahmedalizafar3000"
<ahmedalizafar3000@...> wrote:
>
> aoa, i am new in this group. it is really nice to see people
> interested in this line of life, (excuse my wording because i am
not
> good at it, please focus on the meaning), i would like to ask you
what
> are we doing? i mean it is great that someone has started this
group,
> but what for? what is the purpose? what are all the people here
doing
> practically in their lives?
>
> Please dont get me wrong but to say "Rumi is a good man" and to
> believe that "rumi is a good man", are two different things. as
for
> the CHARKHA, every body seems to worry about it but not their
lives,
> not the time that has been assigneed to them which is not gonna
come
> back.
>
> the main point is to look inside ourselves, love everyone, cleanse
> ourselves & above all speak the truth.... but unfortunately it is
> hard for us to even admitt that we are wrong, how can we cleanse
> ourselve, how to spread love when we have pride, hate etc etc in
our
> selves. how to look properly inside, when it is shaded or should i
say
> corruded by the pollution we have kept in our hearts.
>
> so i would like to request all of you that please, enjoy the taste
of
> love but never forget about the mission we are on?
>

Love never keeps a man away from seeking his mission and destiny,
the condition applied is that it must be LOVE "IshQ".
else whatever you said comply with my thoughts.
Thanks
Sadiq Ali--- In rumi_info@yahoogroups.com, "ahmedalizafar3000"
<ahmedalizafar3000@...> wrote:
>
> aoa, i am new in this group. it is really nice to see people
> interested in this line of life, (excuse my wording because i am
not
> good at it, please focus on the meaning), i would like to ask you
what
> are we doing? i mean it is great that someone has started this
group,
> but what for? what is the purpose? what are all the people here
doing
> practically in their lives?
>
> Please dont get me wrong but to say "Rumi is a good man" and to
> believe that "rumi is a good man", are two different things. as
for
> the CHARKHA, every body seems to worry about it but not their
lives,
> not the time that has been assigneed to them which is not gonna
come
> back.
>
> the main point is to look inside ourselves, love everyone, cleanse
> ourselves & above all speak the truth.... but unfortunately it is
> hard for us to even admitt that we are wrong, how can we cleanse
> ourselve, how to spread love when we have pride, hate etc etc in
our
> selves. how to look properly inside, when it is shaded or should i
say
> corruded by the pollution we have kept in our hearts.
>
> so i would like to request all of you that please, enjoy the taste
of
> love but never forget about the mission we are on?
>

aoa, i am new in this group. it is really nice to see people
interested in this line of life, (excuse my wording because i am not
good at it, please focus on the meaning), i would like to ask you what
are we doing? i mean it is great that someone has started this group,
but what for? what is the purpose? what are all the people here doing
practically in their lives?

Please dont get me wrong but to say "Rumi is a good man" and to
believe that "rumi is a good man", are two different things. as for
the CHARKHA, every body seems to worry about it but not their lives,
not the time that has been assigneed to them which is not gonna come
back.

the main point is to look inside ourselves, love everyone, cleanse
ourselves & above all speak the truth.... but unfortunately it is
hard for us to even admitt that we are wrong, how can we cleanse
ourselve, how to spread love when we have pride, hate etc etc in our
selves. how to look properly inside, when it is shaded or should i say
corruded by the pollution we have kept in our hearts.

so i would like to request all of you that please, enjoy the taste of
love but never forget about the mission we are on?

hello everybody !
what would a CHARKHA represent in a sufi's life.
is it LIFE itself or ???
well i think , "CHARKHA" represent LIFE of a lover ,---"a sufi",which
keeps on moving in the hunger of his or her god.

THERE ARE A FEW BEAUTIFUL LINES BY THE GREAT SUFI SAINT BULLEH
SHAH,WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH ALL THE MEMBERS OF RUMI :

"BULLEH NU SMJHAWAN AEIAN, PEHNA TE PRJHAIYAN,
MANN LE BULLEAH SADA KHNA, CHADD DE PALLA RAEIAN,JE TU CHAWEIN BAGH
BAHARAN ,CHAKAR HO JA RAIAN"

THESE LINES DESCRIBE THE feelings of the family of bulleh shah,who are
trying there best to get their child out of some bad company or so,they
think !
and at the the same time the passion of bullah for his master.

find the alam lohar on youtube and feel the real sufi touch, as per my
knowledge alam saheb is the one of the oldest singer of this tradition.

hello everybody !
what would a CHARKHA represent in a sufi's life.
is it LIFE itself or ???
well i think , "CHARKHA" represent LIFE of a lover ,---"a sufi",which
keeps on moving in the hunger of his or her god.

THERE ARE A FEW BEAUTIFUL LINES BY THE GREAT SUFI SAINT BULLEH
SHAH,WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH ALL THE MEMBERS OF RUMI :

"BULLEH NU SMJHAWAN AEIAN, PEHNA TE PRJHAIYAN,
MANN LE BULLEAH SADA KHNA, CHADD DE PALLA RAEIAN,JE TU CHAWEIN BAGH
BAHARAN ,CHAKAR HO JA RAIAN"

THESE LINES DESCRIBE THE feelings of the family of bulleh shah,who are
trying there best to get their child out of some bad company or so,they
think !
and at the the same time the passion of bullah for his master.

I am just join the rumi group