> 2) I am really big on simplicity! I hate web sites, which ask for cookies
> and waste bandwidth with unnecessary code, text, and background junk.

Though there is an advantage to the reader being able to click next/previous
rather than going back and forth to an index page (and a thumbnail index is a
nice-to-have).

There are photo gallery programs that can create all the html for you so you
just have to upload some extra files with the photos, no fiddling with HTML
required.  You install the program and just run it on the files on your local
machine before uploading the files.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_photo_gallery_software

I think it is jalbum that I have used before and seemed pretty simple.

Of course this is just a suggestion in case it helps you.

Neil,

	 Thanks for the link to the photo gallery photos. You could not resist,
could you? :)

	 Apart from being into simplicity, I am also a bit of a control freak.
Whenever I do make a site I actually still type all my own HTML. It bugs
the heck out of me when automated HTML programs do not generate elegant
clean code. I was one of those guys, who actually used a 300 baud dial-up
modem when they were new on an Apple //c, then upgraded to a PC with DOS
all the way until Windows NT finally came out.

	 Regardless, if I do not end up using one of them to make things more
user-friendly for my own photo/file sharing purposes, then I might use it
to make it easier on me when producing galleries for another site or two.
Of course you do realize if I set up a gallery site of the dog chariot
with one of those programs, then the links I posted might end up being
broken again. :)
_TONE_

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Thanks Tone - you are a legend for resolving pics and you did an awesome job
with the carrier!

Has anyone on the list seen one of these bikes in person?  Quite a few of my
friends are interested after seeing how handy my Big Dummy has been over the
past year.  I have a couple of friends moving towards the Freeradical, but at
least one other has serious interest in the Sun.

If anyone has seen one of these what was the impression you got regarding
quality, or anything else?

It would be a special order to the local bike shop, and so before the order goes
in it would be nice to get some idea about how the bike is aside from Interbike
reviews.

http://clevercycles.com/products/bicycles/family-cargo/sun-atlas-cargo/

You've got my interest.

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "jtrops" <jtrops@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone on the list seen one of these bikes in person?  Quite a few of my
friends are interested after seeing how handy my Big Dummy has been over the
past year.  I have a couple of friends moving towards the Freeradical, but at
least one other has serious interest in the Sun.
>
> If anyone has seen one of these what was the impression you got regarding
quality, or anything else?
>
> It would be a special order to the local bike shop, and so before the order
goes in it would be nice to get some idea about how the bike is aside from
Interbike reviews.
>
> http://clevercycles.com/products/bicycles/family-cargo/sun-atlas-cargo/
>

I've been corresponding with them.

It is compatable with the racks and bags, but will not accept the snapdeck or
the center kickstand.  I don't know if it will accept a Stokemonkey, but the
fact that they are sold by Clevercycles leads me to suspect that they would.

My objection is that they have a derailleur; for a utility bike, one that will
be ridden in all weathers, an internal hub drive makes more sense--all the gears
tucked away from the grit and grime and muck Mother Nature can throw at a bike. 
A factor which Sun, being based in FLORIDA, probably didn't consider!

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "WV Tenor" <bruce_alan_wilson@...> wrote:
>
>
> I've been corresponding with them.
>
> It is compatable with the racks and bags, but will not accept the snapdeck or
the center kickstand.  I don't know if it will accept a Stokemonkey, but the
fact that they are sold by Clevercycles leads me to suspect that they would.
>
> My objection is that they have a derailleur; for a utility bike, one that will
be ridden in all weathers, an internal hub drive makes more sense--all the gears
tucked away from the grit and grime and muck Mother Nature can throw at a bike. 
A factor which Sun, being based in FLORIDA, probably didn't consider!
>

It's a good point about the derailleur except that it is a price point bike, and
as such a derailleur is a good way to keep the cost low yet still offer a
reasonable commuter/cargo bike with a decent gear range.  I think a good
consideration would be horizontal dropouts so that a geared hub is a more
realistic upgrade.  I don't know what the dropout is like on this bike, but my
guess is that it's vertical.

I wonder why it won't work with the center stand.  If it's because it doesn't
have the open tubes for the H racks that would sort of answer that question. 
Maybe I'll shoot clevercycles a message to get their impressions of it.

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, Pete B <nackterman@...> wrote:

> Maybe Clevercycles can clarify the snapdeck issue?

there is no snapdeck. the steel v-racks are joined by a steel plate with some
cutouts in it, welded. you could supply your own xtracycle v-racks and
snapdeck/flightdeck if you so desired.

I just wanted to add an important side note about the dog carrier I
built. While being in contact with me about a special order I placed,
Alec at Xtracycle asked me to clarify the broken link to the dog chariot
photos. Apparently, a customer of theirs wanted to figure out a way of
carrying her dog, so Alec naturally wanted to let her know about the dog
chariot I made. After I sent him the updated links, he replied to me with
her forwarded message, in which she mentioned her dog is around seventy
pounds.
	 That is when it occurred to me that my dog chariot might not be suitable
for a dog considerably over fifty pounds. Therefore, I just wanted to add
this post on our RootsRadical forum to let any potential dog chariot
builders know they should take that into consideration. What follows is
most of my response to Alec, which contains all my current reasons for
limiting my dog chariot design to be used with a dog weighing preferably
less than fifty pounds. Additionally, while I am obviously confident
enough in my dog chariot design to allow my own dog to ride in it, it
should also be noted that anyone attempting to build their own dog
chariot based on my design should do so at their own and their own dogs
risk.

Ride safe (both you and your furry companions),
_TONE_.

---

	 Right now my growing pup is 20-30 pounds, but I do not expect her to grow
over 50 or even 45 for that matter. In my opinion the dog chariot I built
could handle seventy pounds, however I believe handling the bike
unbalanced with that much weight would be fairly difficult. I definitely
know what it is like to haul unbalanced loads, and anything with a 0:50
lbs. side-to-side ratio gets hard to handle. Keep in mind I also use a 3’
long ~15 pound Kryptonite chain as a locking method, which I utilize as a
ballast on the opposite side along with everything else I carry beside my
dog.
	 Other than handling during a ride, the weight alone might become an issue
if the dog tries to mount the bike without a rider stabilizing the bike.
Even my 20-30 pound puppy can sometimes cause my Big Dummy to tip
backwards or to the side when she excitedly jumps on it while my bike is
standing alone on the kick back. I would imagine a 70 pound dog would tip
any long tail bike over just by stepping up onto one side.

	 Furthermore, I based my measurements for the dog chariot rail heights on
a 22” max adult dog height and about 11” shoulder width because my dog is
almost all Border collie. I imagine a 70 pound dog would clearly be much
bigger in all dimensions. Aside from a larger dog simply trying to
comfortably sit, stand, or lay down within the foot print of a slightly
widened wide-loader base, the opening where the dog would get on and off
would obviously have to be wider for a dog that size.
	 A more significant concern though is the height restriction of possible
dog chariot top rails when securely attached to a V-rack and/or a
long-loader. My dog chariot’s front rail upright attaches to a
long-loader, which I believe offers a ~13” rail height suitable for a
full grown collie. Of course anyone with a bigger dog could exclude the
long loader and increase the rail height a couple of inches by strapping
their dog chariot’s forward upright directly to the V-rack post. However,
unfortunately the rear V-rack post offers a maximum height of about 7”.
Here is a link to my scaled PDF diagram to visually explain what I am
referring to.
http://www.cranksgiving.net/XtraDogChariot/DogChariotDiagram-SideView.pdf
	 The reason for this rear height limit is because at about 7” the rear
V-rack bends forward diagonally toward the snap deck. That means if you
tried to make the rear rail height of the dog chariot much higher you
would not be able to support it as well when strapping its upright to the
V-rack. With a larger dog standing in the dog chariot I would worry a 7”
rear rail might actually present a danger to the dog because if the bike
somehow started up a little too fast, was going up a really steep hill,
or got bumped in the rear, then the pulling forces from the rear might
cause the dogs butt to sway backward over the rail. Its legs would be let
behind and at risk from banging into the rear rail and possibly cause the
dog to loose footing. That might send the dog rolling over the rear rail
and falling back into the ground while the bike is in motion.

Just last week, I adopted a small dog, probably miniature schnauzer, and
named him Snowy after the dog in the Tintin comics.  Someone had given
the little guy a haircut and then thrown him out onto the street.  By
the time I got Snowy, he had already started learning to be afraid of
people.

I've twice hauled Snowy to the vet on my bike.  Being small and a little
over 6 kg, he fits in a standard kitty carrier (he fills it up, but he
can turn around).  I installed a wide-loader on the right side and used
one of the straps to hold the carrier in place.  (I've got photos I need
to post of two kitty carriers on that side for taking my cats to the vet.)

Today on the way home from the vet, I raised the lid of the kitty
carrier so Snowy could stick his head out.  The tie strap went over the
center of the carrier, essentially dividing that opening into two.  I
tied his leash to this strap, giving him enough leeway to turn around.
It was loose enough he could jump out if he tried, but short enough to
discourage him from doing that.  Fortunately, he didn't even try.  He's
a good little dog.

So, for those of you with smaller dogs, you don't need to build a
chariot.  Your carrying box can probably convert into one--especially if
it has a door for access from the top.  Snowy learned very quickly to
jump in and out of the carrier through the door on the end.

CL

> 1) Sell the 700c FR and buy a 26" FR - not big on this idea since I know
they've made some design changes in the FR and it looks like some bags don't fit
older models, etc.  This all fits together and works nicely other than the
shimmy.  Not to mention, I don't intend on carrying HUGELY heavy loads very
often.  More often it will be a 40 pound bag of dog food, a big bag of potting
soil, my four year old and a couple of lawn chairs, or a run to the farmer's
market.
>


Maybe I'm confused, but I didn't think that there was a 700c FR and a 26" FR. 
There's a FR with an optional conversion kit for 700c rim brakes . . . right?

So far as I know that is correct currently.  Apparently there used to be a 700C
rim brakes compatible version available that did not need the brake adapter but
I believe that was the only difference.  Due to wideloader mounting points
dimensions the limits on overall wheel diameter were the same for either version
of the Freeradical.  With 700C wheels tire size is limited to about 35mm maximum
while 26" wheels can have upto 2.5" wide tires fitted.

A heavier duty 29er compatible Freeradical was talked about some time back and
prototypes made but it has not made it into production yet.  I I personally
would like to see it introduced.

Rich Wood

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "Punditus Maximus" <kimmitt23@...> wrote:
>
> > 1) Sell the 700c FR and buy a 26" FR - not big on this idea since I know
they've made some design changes in the FR and it looks like some bags don't fit
older models, etc.  This all fits together and works nicely other than the
shimmy.  Not to mention, I don't intend on carrying HUGELY heavy loads very
often.  More often it will be a 40 pound bag of dog food, a big bag of potting
soil, my four year old and a couple of lawn chairs, or a run to the farmer's
market.
> >
>
>
> Maybe I'm confused, but I didn't think that there was a 700c FR and a 26" FR. 
There's a FR with an optional conversion kit for 700c rim brakes . . . right?
>

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "jtrops" <jtrops@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone on the list seen one of these bikes in person?  Quite a few of my
friends are interested after seeing how handy my Big Dummy has been over the
past year.  I have a couple of friends moving towards the Freeradical, but at
least one other has serious interest in the Sun.
>
> If anyone has seen one of these what was the impression you got regarding
quality, or anything else?
>
> It would be a special order to the local bike shop, and so before the order
goes in it would be nice to get some idea about how the bike is aside from
Interbike reviews.
>
> http://clevercycles.com/products/bicycles/family-cargo/sun-atlas-cargo/
>

One member of Bikeforum.net just took ownership of the Sun Cargo Bike.He
mentioned answering any questions people might have.Not for sure but it's either
the 7th or 8th page in the thread when he takes ownership.Happy Biking!

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/701265-Sun-cargo-bike

I picked mine up today from the LBS. $600 out the door for the bike itself. 
Here's what I posted about it in bikeforums.net:

Mine arrived today - so far so good! Though I've only ridden it back from the
bike shop, and not under load. A couple notes:

As mentioned, the integrated rack will not take an Xtracycle snapdeck or flight
deck. But the thing just lifts out and you can just install the standard
Xtracycle v-racks and use the entire accessory set. Right now mine is rocking
v-racks, freeloaders, snapdeck, magic carpet, and stoker bar. (Will post
pictures tomorrow). If you wanted to go bargain style you could just get the
hoodie and you're good to go.

As others have noted, the componentry is crummy. cheap crankset, gearing, and
brakes. Ultimately i'll end up upgrading them, but they're fine for now. Rides
nicely, big fat tires, steering is light.

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "TIM_H" <tim_h_49068@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "jtrops" <jtrops@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone on the list seen one of these bikes in person?  Quite a few of my
friends are interested after seeing how handy my Big Dummy has been over the
past year.  I have a couple of friends moving towards the Freeradical, but at
least one other has serious interest in the Sun.
> >
> > If anyone has seen one of these what was the impression you got regarding
quality, or anything else?
> >
> > It would be a special order to the local bike shop, and so before the order
goes in it would be nice to get some idea about how the bike is aside from
Interbike reviews.
> >
> > http://clevercycles.com/products/bicycles/family-cargo/sun-atlas-cargo/
> >
>
> One member of Bikeforum.net just took ownership of the Sun Cargo Bike.He
mentioned answering any questions people might have.Not for sure but it's either
the 7th or 8th page in the thread when he takes ownership.Happy Biking!
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/701265-Sun-cargo-bike
>

Just saw this and thought it was too good not to share:

http://www.grist.org/list/2011-06-14-a-thrilling-tale-of-bicycle-revenge

-Phil

Try going over to http://clevercycles.com; they carry both, so should be able to
tell you how they compare.

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "TIM_H" <tim_h_49068@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "jtrops" <jtrops@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone on the list seen one of these bikes in person?  Quite a few of my
friends are interested after seeing how handy my Big Dummy has been over the
past year.  I have a couple of friends moving towards the Freeradical, but at
least one other has serious interest in the Sun.
> >
> > If anyone has seen one of these what was the impression you got regarding
quality, or anything else?
> >
> > It would be a special order to the local bike shop, and so before the order
goes in it would be nice to get some idea about how the bike is aside from
Interbike reviews.
> >
> > http://clevercycles.com/products/bicycles/family-cargo/sun-atlas-cargo/
> >
>
> One member of Bikeforum.net just took ownership of the Sun Cargo Bike.He
mentioned answering any questions people might have.Not for sure but it's either
the 7th or 8th page in the thread when he takes ownership.Happy Biking!
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/701265-Sun-cargo-bike
>

Don't know how to get this changed in the USA, but that's one of the
things that's so refreshing about riding a bike in Taiwan: no one doubts
my right to be on the road.  In fact, there are all kinds of crazy
things on the road, including people commuting in their motorized wheel
chairs.

CL

poppamando wrote:
> Just saw this and thought it was too good not to share:
>
> http://www.grist.org/list/2011-06-14-a-thrilling-tale-of-bicycle-revenge

My browser declared that was a page likely to contain malware.  I would not
visit it.

On 2011-06-17, at 7:15 AM, mac stricklen wrote:

> http://iloveyougraffiti.com/safealliance.html
>
>

anyone outgrowing a piccolo or kazoo and need to find it a good home? My
daughter could put it to good use.

Hi,

I'm also a member of a couple of scooter forums and while at one I read one
members post on a really good sale on waterproof duffel,gear and dry bags.Seeing
these low prices,I thought I'd pass it along.Only one hitch,the only color is
blue.If you need some waterproof bags for your bike check em out.

http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic82391?highlight=blue+bags

Main Site:  http://www.sierratradingpost.com/

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:47 AM, TIM_H <tim_h_49068@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm also a member of a couple of scooter forums and while at one I read one
members post on a really good sale on waterproof duffel,gear and dry bags.Seeing
these low prices,I thought I'd pass it along.Only one hitch,the only color is
blue.If you need some waterproof bags for your bike check em out.


Thanks!  I picked up an extra large rolltop for $25 shipped.  Not too bad!

Per the Sierra Trading Post web site they will ship to 92 countries so you
should be able to order from them.  Look over the web site as the home page has
the ability to show prices in many currencies and the shipping info page has a
foreign shipments information section.

For those overseas who are wanting to deal with American web sites which do not
do overseas shipping from the USA there is apparently an alternative.  It is 
"Bongo International Parcel and Mail Forwarding".  I have no experience with it
but have seen it mentioned as being an option by another web site.  Here is a
link I found.

http://www.bongous.com/

Rich Wood

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, Desmond Audrey Segovia <dags049@...>
wrote:
>
> Howe to order? I live here in Nagoya City, Japan. Thanks
>
> Desmond
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: TIM_H <tim_h_49068@...>
> To: rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 8:47:55 AM
> Subject: [rootsradicals] Waterproof Bag Sale
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm also a member of a couple of scooter forums and while at one I read one
> members post on a really good sale on waterproof duffel,gear and dry
bags.Seeing
> these low prices,I thought I'd pass it along.Only one hitch,the only color is
> blue.If you need some waterproof bags for your bike check em out.
>
> http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic82391?highlight=blue+bags
>
> Main Site: http://www.sierratradingpost.com/
>

In a couple weeks, I'm moving to the Bay Area for the first time and it will be
the second home ever for my Xtracycle, Theo, since I've spent the last five
years living and working at Isabella Freedman Jewish Retreat Center in northwest
Connecticut. I'm going to get some help from Village Cycles in Millerton, New
York, with disassembling and shipping Theo to his new neighborhood.

I've reconfigured a standard bike box into the 47x28x12 dimensions of Cannondale
boxes known to reduce UPS shipping costs and I just need to choose a
destination. My initial home place will be two blocks east of Lake Merritt in
Oakland and I figure I'm best off shipping to a bike shop since B2B shipping is
less expensive. Beyond that, I'm open to either shipping to a shop that knows
Xtracycles (e.g., Tip Top) and would like to reassemble mine, or picking up the
box and getting help from a local fellow radical.

Anyone have a recommendation? FYI: I'm planning to ship on Wednesday, July 6, so
I'll expect to receive it around Wednesday the 13th. Also, I don't drive.

Thanks!

- Ben
Alive (and Pedaling) to Save the Planet