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#10212 From: David Dannenberg <ddannenberg@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:03 pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
djdannenberg
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I would definitely use stronger fabric for the mesh area. I poked a
hole in mine pretty quickly.

I would also reinforce the fabric where it makes contact with a disk
caliper and other wear points. Personally I would not double the fabric.

And I'd figure out a way to carry the wide loaders, un-installed, out
of the way somewhere.

HTH

David

#10213 From: "stitzljq" <stitzljq@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:38 pm
Subject: Thanks for the Suggestions!
stitzljq
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Thanks so much you guys, I have a huge list of suggestion to ponder now :0) 
I'll definitely  post pics, but don't hold your breath.  I'm slowly saving money
for all the components I need, especially the wheelset, and keeping myself busy
in the meantime working on the accessories.  I expect this will take a few
months.  I'm making my own v-racks, deck, footsies and wideloaders as well. 
Those are actually 50% done, but it's a long process.

Anyway, back to turkey duty.  Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

- Joel

#10214 From: "lorrea1" <jlhall6@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:44 pm
Subject: Kids Bicycle Review Anyone?
lorrea1
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My twins are almost 4 and really wanted to ride their own bikes now for short
trips.  I was looking into these:
http://www.countrymoosekids.com/catalog/item/4172018/4805111.htm as a
possibility but can't find any reviews anywhere.  I was wondering if anyone has
every seen or used anything like this or knows where I can find more
information.  I would love to have them riding with me but also really like the
fact that they can use it independent of me to.  I seen the "arms" on Amazon but
the reviews are not great there and there are some safety concerns that I think
this one overcomes.  Like with a normal bike the child can still wiggle the
handle bar and the mounting brackets particularly the one on the bike isn't
permanently attached and has been a cause for disaster for a few parents.  The
cost really isn't that much different since I have to buy a bike and the arm to
get the same effect, it would cost at least $150 even for that route but the
safety issues have me shying away from it.  The regular trail bikes are also
enticing but I would then either have to always ride with them or would again
have to get them a seperate bike which means more storage and more cost for 2
seperate items.  The thing is we go on rides from 1-10 miles regularly, about
1/2 my errands and activities are attended on the bike instead of the car.  So I
really need something that I can transport them with but also like the fact that
they could ride independently for either part of the ride or when we get to our
destination (at least 2 trips each week are to a park where they are able to
play for a couple hours while there older brother practices.

Any suggestions please!!!

Lorrea

#10215 From: "Wes T" <watrout@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: Kids Bicycle Review Anyone?
watrout
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Lorrea,

I've never used the "connect cycle" attachment so I can't really speak for that.
I've used or have ridden with someone who uses the following:  Trek trail-a-bike
(TAB from here on out), Adams TAB, Burley Piccolo TAB.  All are fine but very
limited in their usefulness.  I know the Adams TAB is available in a tandem -
I.E. you can put 2 kids on the TAB, but of all the brands I've seen the Adams
was the least impressive so I definitely would want to try one before I bought
it.  The Burley is definitely the nicest and I've seen it adapted to an
xtracycle but they're also extremely expensive and it makes the deck of you x
hard to use for anything but the TAB.  I think any of the pull behind methods
would be more difficult than normal if you're riding your X or BD.  I also don't
love any of the TAB methods because the kid is far enough behind you that you
don't really feel like you could do anything to help (I.E. you see the little
one is falling off, you can't get an arm back to grab them - nor can you hear as
easily when they're goofing around).  With older kids it's really not much of a
concern, but when I was out with 3 1/2 and 4 year olds it made me nervous. 
Granted nothing bad happened, but the child also didn't ride on the TAB very
long before we decided it would be better for her to ride along with my daughter
on my x.

My suggestion, since you've already split from the herd by getting an xtracycle
why not use it instead of the conventional methods?  Again, I don't know all the
particulars of your situation so this may not be an option, but I would think
you could get regular kid bikes and attach them to your xtracycle either some
sort of tow behind (empty) or something like the TrayBien (I couldn't justify
the cost of the TrayBien but I think you could make a homemade version for a
fraction of the cost).  That way you could haul your little ones on the back of
the X, bring their bikes along with you.  When you get to a spot that they can
safely ride along with you for a while, take the bikes off and let them go at
it.  When they're tired load the bikes and kids back on the X and continue on
your merry way.

Good luck,
Wes



--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "lorrea1" <jlhall6@...> wrote:
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> My twins are almost 4 and really wanted to ride their own bikes now for short
trips.  I was looking into these:
http://www.countrymoosekids.com/catalog/item/4172018/4805111.htm as a
possibility but can't find any reviews anywhere.  I was wondering if anyone has
every seen or used anything like this or knows where I can find more
information.  I would love to have them riding with me but also really like the
fact that they can use it independent of me to.  I seen the "arms" on Amazon but
the reviews are not great there and there are some safety concerns that I think
this one overcomes.  Like with a normal bike the child can still wiggle the
handle bar and the mounting brackets particularly the one on the bike isn't
permanently attached and has been a cause for disaster for a few parents.  The
cost really isn't that much different since I have to buy a bike and the arm to
get the same effect, it would cost at least $150 even for that route but the
safety issues have me shying away from it.  The regular trail bikes are also
enticing but I would then either have to always ride with them or would again
have to get them a seperate bike which means more storage and more cost for 2
seperate items.  The thing is we go on rides from 1-10 miles regularly, about
1/2 my errands and activities are attended on the bike instead of the car.  So I
really need something that I can transport them with but also like the fact that
they could ride independently for either part of the ride or when we get to our
destination (at least 2 trips each week are to a park where they are able to
play for a couple hours while there older brother practices.
>
> Any suggestions please!!!
>
> Lorrea
>

#10216 From: Liam Casey <zyzzyva23@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
zyzzyva23
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Regarding the inner pockets, I've thought about taking a cue from the
army and covering the inside of the freeloaders with molle-style
straps. That would let you attach all sorts of pouches inside in a
secure but removable way, depending on what you needed to carry. There
are literaly hundreds of these pouches available from surplus shops
and sites. Granted, most are designed to carry guns or ammo clips, but
there are still plenty that serve wider purposes.

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#10217 From: "lorrea1" <jlhall6@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: Kids Bicycle Review Anyone?
lorrea1
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Thanks Wes, that got me thinking of a possible 2nd option I hadn't thought of
before.

The problem I am having is that 1) I don't have an X, I am still in the dreaming
of stage.  2) I currently run a bobike mini in front and a trailer behind, I
have 1-2yr old and 3 1/2 yr old twins.  3) The kids are constantly fighting over
who gets to ride on the mini and the 3 yr olds are actually over the weight
range but I let them anyway.  4) The 3 yr olds are always wanting to ride their
own trikes but they can't keep up.  5) I sometimes actually need the trailer to
carry loads from the grocery store.

My system worked very effeciently for the past year, but it seems we're aging
and it's a game now to try to figure out our best option.  I would love a radish
set-up but can't justify that cost right now although it would be perfect and I
could still tow the trailer when needed for extra loads.  But I imagined that
another option would be a rear mount child-seat and one trail-a-bike set-up that
the kids could rotate on.  Although thats a lot of little ones hanging out.  All
my little ones have very good balance though so probably not so bad.  They
currently switch off between riding in the bobike in the front of my bike, in
the back in the trailer or standing behind my oldest on the foot-pegs on his
bike (when we are in neighborhoods only, on major streets they have to be on my
bike).

Anyway, some things to think about.  Maybe I will go check out the radish again
but last check it was too much.

Lorrea
--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "Wes T" <watrout@...> wrote:
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> Lorrea,
>
> I've never used the "connect cycle" attachment so I can't really speak for
that.  I've used or have ridden with someone who uses the following:  Trek
trail-a-bike (TAB from here on out), Adams TAB, Burley Piccolo TAB.  All are
fine but very limited in their usefulness.  I know the Adams TAB is available in
a tandem - I.E. you can put 2 kids on the TAB, but of all the brands I've seen
the Adams was the least impressive so I definitely would want to try one before
I bought it.  The Burley is definitely the nicest and I've seen it adapted to an
xtracycle but they're also extremely expensive and it makes the deck of you x
hard to use for anything but the TAB.  I think any of the pull behind methods
would be more difficult than normal if you're riding your X or BD.  I also don't
love any of the TAB methods because the kid is far enough behind you that you
don't really feel like you could do anything to help (I.E. you see the little
one is falling off, you can't get an arm back to grab them - nor can you hear as
easily when they're goofing around).  With older kids it's really not much of a
concern, but when I was out with 3 1/2 and 4 year olds it made me nervous. 
Granted nothing bad happened, but the child also didn't ride on the TAB very
long before we decided it would be better for her to ride along with my daughter
on my x.
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> My suggestion, since you've already split from the herd by getting an
xtracycle why not use it instead of the conventional methods?  Again, I don't
know all the particulars of your situation so this may not be an option, but I
would think you could get regular kid bikes and attach them to your xtracycle
either some sort of tow behind (empty) or something like the TrayBien (I
couldn't justify the cost of the TrayBien but I think you could make a homemade
version for a fraction of the cost).  That way you could haul your little ones
on the back of the X, bring their bikes along with you.  When you get to a spot
that they can safely ride along with you for a while, take the bikes off and let
them go at it.  When they're tired load the bikes and kids back on the X and
continue on your merry way.
>
> Good luck,
> Wes
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> --- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "lorrea1" <jlhall6@> wrote:
> >
> > My twins are almost 4 and really wanted to ride their own bikes now for
short trips.  I was looking into these:
http://www.countrymoosekids.com/catalog/item/4172018/4805111.htm as a
possibility but can't find any reviews anywhere.  I was wondering if anyone has
every seen or used anything like this or knows where I can find more
information.  I would love to have them riding with me but also really like the
fact that they can use it independent of me to.  I seen the "arms" on Amazon but
the reviews are not great there and there are some safety concerns that I think
this one overcomes.  Like with a normal bike the child can still wiggle the
handle bar and the mounting brackets particularly the one on the bike isn't
permanently attached and has been a cause for disaster for a few parents.  The
cost really isn't that much different since I have to buy a bike and the arm to
get the same effect, it would cost at least $150 even for that route but the
safety issues have me shying away from it.  The regular trail bikes are also
enticing but I would then either have to always ride with them or would again
have to get them a seperate bike which means more storage and more cost for 2
seperate items.  The thing is we go on rides from 1-10 miles regularly, about
1/2 my errands and activities are attended on the bike instead of the car.  So I
really need something that I can transport them with but also like the fact that
they could ride independently for either part of the ride or when we get to our
destination (at least 2 trips each week are to a park where they are able to
play for a couple hours while there older brother practices.
> >
> > Any suggestions please!!!
> >
> > Lorrea
> >
>

#10218 From: Rick Pickett <rick@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:14 pm
Subject: SF Bay Area Peeps: Supermarket Street Sweep
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http://www.xtracycle.com/supermarket-street-sweep

Anyone in the Bay Area and free on December 5th, 2009, come ride with us and collect food for the SF Food Bank.

Happy Friday,
Rick


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#10219 From: "wsafranek" <wsafr1@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:38 am
Subject: Re: Kids Bicycle Review Anyone?
wsafranek
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I have a BD and am trying to figure out what my next step for child hauling is,
much like you.  Right now I carry my son's bike on the BD and he sits on a
rigged up child's seat on the Snapdeck.   I would like to have him pedal to but
it seems my options are even more limited because I have the BD.  Then again my
ability to carry cargo is huge compared to what it would be with a regular bike
and a trail-a-bike.

As far as your children and their balance on a trail-a-bike, Adams sells an
accessory seat for really young children, and a back rest with a strap for kids
age 2-4.

Good luck, I'm looking forward to hearing what others are doing.

#10220 From: "philip_b_chase" <philipbchase@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:21 pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
philip_b_chase
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Yeah, I guess you could carry a lot of weaponry in an Xtracycle, but it's all
behind you--kind of hard to reach while you're riding.  I think a wicker basket
in the front would be a lot more accessible. ;-)

Philip

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, Liam Casey <zyzzyva23@...> wrote:
>
> Regarding the inner pockets, I've thought about taking a cue from the
> army and covering the inside of the freeloaders with molle-style
> straps. That would let you attach all sorts of pouches inside in a
> secure but removable way, depending on what you needed to carry. There
> are literaly hundreds of these pouches available from surplus shops
> and sites. Granted, most are designed to carry guns or ammo clips, but
> there are still plenty that serve wider purposes.
>

#10221 From: David Chase <dr2chase@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for suggestions
dr2chase
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I'd been thinking that it ought to be possible to put a sheath for a machete
under the snapdeck, with the handle sticking out just behind the seat.  On the
other hand, with a little front rack, you could mount it vertically in front --
perfect for a little on-the-fly brush trimming on your daily commute.

Not sure either would be legal here in Massachusetts.

On 2009-11-28, at 8:21 AM, philip_b_chase wrote:

> Yeah, I guess you could carry a lot of weaponry in an Xtracycle, but it's all
behind you--kind of hard to reach while you're riding. I think a wicker basket
in the front would be a lot more accessible. ;-)
>
> Philip
>
> --- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, Liam Casey <zyzzyva23@...> wrote:
> >
> > Regarding the inner pockets, I've thought about taking a cue from the
> > army and covering the inside of the freeloaders with molle-style
> > straps. That would let you attach all sorts of pouches inside in a
> > secure but removable way, depending on what you needed to carry. There
> > are literaly hundreds of these pouches available from surplus shops
> > and sites. Granted, most are designed to carry guns or ammo clips, but
> > there are still plenty that serve wider purposes.
> >

#10222 From: "Bruce Alan Wilson" <bruce_alan_wilson@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:25 pm
Subject: Re:Kids Bicycle Review Anyone?
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I've said for years that Xtracycle should make a Free Radical and at least some of the accessories sized for kids.  Not the really little kids, but for the eight-to-thirteen set; perhaps Surly could be induced to make a 'Little Dummy.'
 
 
 

The bicycle is the most civilized conveyance known to man.  Other forms of transport grow daily more nightmarish.  Only the bicycle remains pure in heart.  ~Iris Murdoch, The Red and the Green

#10223 From: "mpacilli" <marcie@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: Kids Bicycle Review Anyone?
mpacilli
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Like you I'm an X-tracycle groupie. It was definitely one of the solutions to my
child transport. This is what I came up with:

For my then 18 month old and then 3 1/2 year old, I ended up using my Bianchi
hybrid with a Bicycle-Tutor (the top bar mounted Bobike was behind in shipping
to the US then) and a Adams Trail-a-bike Starter that I found on Craigslist for
$40. It worked rather well.

Fast forward to today. My girls are now 3 1/2 and 6 1/2 with a combined weight
of around 90 lbs. I'm waiting to bend or crack my bike's aluminum frame. My
oldest can now ride her own bike without training wheels. However, she is by no
means a proficient or confident rider and is not ready for the quick 1 mile ride
(with gentle hills) to school yet. For her own comfort and for my need for speed
to get to work, I still use this set up. But over the last month or so, it is
getting increasingly challenging to keep my bike in control. I suspect it is the
weight issue. I now can't wait to get the oldest off the back so I can get rid
of the Bike-tutor and put the little one on the back.

That being said, if you choose to go the tandem trailer bike route, I would look
at a few factors:

- How long do you intend to keep this set up?
- How strong is your bicycle's frame?
- Would it be worth it to simply get some used bicycles for the kids and spend
the money on a better set up for your own bicycle? You still have your toddler
to think about.
- Have you considered throwing money into a triplet like this?
http://www.browncycles.com/tandems.htm It should last you for about 4 or 5 years
before the twins truly want to go off on their own. I also think the resale on
one of these is fairly high since you don't see them in the classifieds too
much.

Good luck,
Marcie

#10224 From: "Wes T" <watrout@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:16 pm
Subject: Looking for a cheap way to build a loaner.
watrout
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I recently upgraded to a Big Dummy and couldn't be happier with the switch.  My
original plan was to sell off my old free radical and probably the rest of the
bike that used to be my xtracycle.  However, after thinking about it for a while
I kind of like the idea of having an xtracycle that people could try out if they
were on the fence about whether or not a cargo bike would be for them.  I have
plenty of bike parts sitting around, the only thing I would have to pony up for
is a replacement V rack & bags (without these I can't see that it would be much
use to try out an xtracycle).  I really think a lot more people would take the
xtracycle plunge if they just had a chance to use one before they had to fork
down $500 or more for one.  So question is, does anyone here have a used (but at
least still functional) V-rack and freeloader bags?  Xtracycle, do you have any
factory seconds or otherwise blemished products you would let go to me cheap? 
It's just an idea, and if I can do it without putting large holes in my wallet I
think it'd be fun to try.

Thanks,
Wes

#10225 From: "Geoff Cisler" <gcisler@...>
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: Kids Bicycle Review Anyone?
gcisler
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to follow up on Wes's follow-up:
 
I also have twins (4.5 yrs) and struggled much of the year for solutions. 
 
I've been riding a trailer for quite a while, and with my xtracycle most of the year:
I can load everything, carry both of them and there was zero fighting until i started letting one of them ride on the back with the stoker bar.  (well, now that it's too cold, they're happy to be back in the trailer!).  I think that fitting them both in the trailer will be done by next year due to size.
 
But by next spring, I will have built a handlebar frame around the top of the snapdeck.  There was a flickr user who used to have a LOT of details of their setup, but now there's only this one picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/happyhoppyfamily/3030565698 Happyhoppy, you out there?  i LOVE this idea.
 
Now, as to the matter you brough up: trail-a-bikes.  I have friends who have the Trail-Gator attachment system and it works great for them.  you need to make sure the kids bike fits, but otherwise, he had no issues.  I have the aforementioned tandem TAB: http://www.jpbikeresearch.com/2009/10/riding-with-my-kids/ and have to say that I haven't perfected it.  It's a lot more weight way up high (my frame is BIG) and it's much wobblier than normal, far less relaxing than the low-to-the-ground trailer.  To be honest, I'm not sure I like it, but when the kids get stronger and bigger, I can really decide.  Oh, and THEY love it.
 
Yet another, much pricier option is the FollowMe-Tandem (http://www.followme-tandem.com/english/) which is German product that, like the Trail-Gator, allows you to attach a child's bike up to 24" wheels to a rear rack.  My friends love this, but the device is solid steel and is heavy. 
 
Lorrea, we've had to separate our trips where the twins ride their own bikes: their stamina is lower and we just can't get things done.  I think you'd be best upgrading to a xtracycle (don't get bogged down in the fancier versions if cost is an issue -- the freeradical is fantastic!).  you can carry the twins there and the young'un in the trailer.  keep in mind, this is a LOT of weight and it will only get heavier, but it sounds like you have that covered!
 
good luck and let us know!
 
Geoff
Boston, MA
 

#10226 From: Zoe Neal <zoeneal@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:11 am
Subject: Re:Looking for a cheap way to build a loaner.
baby_igor_zi...
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Wes,

I find myself in a similar situation; I've recently upgraded to a B.D. and now have an extra freeradical with no accessories.  I've been told by a credible source that the v-racks  can be easily home made with 7/8" conduit and a conduit bender.  Tomorrow I plan to drop by an electronics supply store and see if they can't make me another set of v-Racks (and maybe 2 pairs of wideloaders while they're at it).  I'll let you know how that goes.  If this works out I've several friends who are handy with a sewing machine and should be able make something similar to the freeloader bags. 
The snapdeck should be easy except for the hooks that bolt to the bottom.  Has anyone come up with a good home-made solution?

-Zoe

#10227 From: David Chase <dr2chase@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:56 am
Subject: Re: Re:Looking for a cheap way to build a loaner.
dr2chase
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If all else fails, try a muffler shop.  I first heard about this from guys who
build recumbents (get the muffler shop to bend the tubes, then you do all the
brazing), and we used a local one to make some railing.  Not only did they do a
great job, they even spotted the error in my prototype (I did get a conduit
bender for this and for other purposes, years ago) and fixed it properly.

One problem, both cases, is that the conduit is aluminum, not steel.  Aluminum
is lighter, and when you whack your wideloaders into an immovable object, it
gives way, instead of your frame.

You can buy the hooks from xtracycle.

http://www.xtracycle.com/snaphook.html

I have done this myself, and made a replacement deck.

David

On 2009-11-29, at 9:11 PM, Zoe Neal wrote:

> Wes,
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have an extra freeradical with no accessories.  I've been told by a credible
source that the v-racks  can be easily home made with 7/8" conduit and a conduit
bender.  Tomorrow I plan to drop by an electronics supply store and see if they
can't make me another set of v-Racks (and maybe 2 pairs of wideloaders while
they're at it).  I'll let you know how that goes.  If this works out I've
several friends who are handy with a sewing machine and should be able make
something similar to the freeloader bags.
> The snapdeck should be easy except for the hooks that bolt to the bottom.  Has
anyone come up with a good home-made solution?
>
> -Zoe

#10228 From: Dave Lloyd <dave@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:57 am
Subject: Re: Re:Looking for a cheap way to build a loaner.
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For the Snapdeck, you could just use scrap plywood. Use tee nuts and P-clamps with screws (tee nuts go in the top so that they clamp the wood more tightly the tighter the screws get) to fasten on to the V-racks.  I've found 1" and 3/4" P-clamps at the hardware store, and the 1" p-clamps work fine if you shim the v-racks with a bit of cloth or cork tape. Make sure the bars spread a bit so that you tension the whole thing.  Best to measure how far apart the racks are when the snap deck is on so you get the correct spacing without stressing the V-racks too much.

This is the way I've attached my double kid seat to the V-racks on my Xtracycle and the whole assembly is very secure.

--dlloyd



On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 20:11, Zoe Neal <zoeneal@...> wrote:
 

Wes,

I find myself in a similar situation; I've recently upgraded to a B.D. and now have an extra freeradical with no accessories.  I've been told by a credible source that the v-racks  can be easily home made with 7/8" conduit and a conduit bender.  Tomorrow I plan to drop by an electronics supply store and see if they can't make me another set of v-Racks (and maybe 2 pairs of wideloaders while they're at it).  I'll let you know how that goes.  If this works out I've several friends who are handy with a sewing machine and should be able make something similar to the freeloader bags. 
The snapdeck should be easy except for the hooks that bolt to the bottom.  Has anyone come up with a good home-made solution?

-Zoe



#10229 From: "brianlaplander" <laplander@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:06 am
Subject: Re:Looking for a cheap way to build a loaner.
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I've made two sets of v racks and one set of wideloaders with 7/8" aluminum
tubing and a conduit bender.  Its a piece of cake. plus very affordable (about 8
bucks per side.)  I also made a set of bags with attaching hardware much like
that of a pannier so they are removable with out taking the v racks off the
bike.

#10230 From: Dave Lloyd <dave@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:21 am
Subject: Cheap dynamo hubs
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Lots of us here subscribe to the get on and ride philosophy of bicycling.  In other words, it should be just as simple to ride your bike to the store as it is to hop in a car and turn the key.  This time of year, that means lights.  Sure, battery powered lights are pretty darned good and if you don't want to spring for a bicycle specific light, a 3W LED flashlight, two conduit clamps and some wing nuts makes for a pretty effective and inexpensive headlight.  Tail lights I don't worry too much about since they last a long time with minimal power consumption.  You usually don't want to light up what's behind you (the general public is, uh, generally thankful for less light on my behind), you just want to be seen and that requires lots less juice.

Of course the downside to battery powered lights is, well, batteries.  Either you have the expense, both moral and financial, of throwing away the alkaline batteries, or you have to remember to charge the batteries after you've worked a 12 hour day, put three kids to bed, finally got to eat your dinner and just want to sack out, nevermind before you've even had that first cup of joe before you head to work.  In my case, it's both an expense and forgetting since my 18 month old seems to think that stuff belongs in the trash can, but I digress.

So, what's a committed utility bicyclist supposed to do?  Well, there is making your own power.  Enter the dynamo hub.

Sure, people may complain that they're heavy, they add rolling resistance (like climbing a 3'/1000' grade), that they make you sterile (well, maybe not that one), but for hop on and ride, forget about it, all weather, it's already installed, they can't be beat. The real downside here is expense.  Figure, on average, $150-$250 for a front wheel with a hub (and that's not counting the "vorsprung durch technik" SON hub). OK, maybe less for a Novatron based wheel from Velo Orange, but y'all get the idea. Add a good light on top of that, like the IQ Cyo, and you're looking to drop $250-$300 for lights. Ouch. That's a whole lot of batteries.

In what may be the steal of the century for those of us with 26" wheeled bicycles, I found out through my local REI that you can buy the front wheel from a Novara Transfer for $50. Sure, it's the lowest end Shimano dynohub (a 2N30), sure the rim could be better (Alex DC19), but it's $50! Add an IQ Cyo ($103 with free shipping from Harris Cyclery) and that's about $160 including tax for a dyno hub lighting system for your utility bike. Not too bad! Don't need something like the Cyo? How about a Planet bike Blaze dyno headlight for about $60. That's $110 for a hop on and ride, just forget about it for years lighting system. Not too bad.

I just picked up my wheel from REI today (REI PN 785-505-0014). The IQ Cyo should be coming in the mail this week. I'll report back in a few weeks and let everyone know what the verdict is.

Ride safe!

--dlloyd


#10231 From: David Chase <dr2chase@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:44 am
Subject: Re: Cheap dynamo hubs
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On 2009-11-29, at 10:21 PM, Dave Lloyd wrote:

> Lots of us here subscribe to the get on and ride philosophy of bicycling.  In
other words, it should be just as simple to ride your bike to the store as it is
to hop in a car and turn the key.  This time of year, that means lights.
>
> So, what's a committed utility bicyclist supposed to do?  Well, there is
making your own power.  Enter the dynamo hub.

I don't think I would ever spend the money for a SON.  I've got a high-end
Shimano hub right now, and it's wonderful.  I wish I knew if the difference
between the cheap hubs and the high-end hubs was in the mechanicals or in the
electronics.  Also -- another reason not to buy the SON, if you are willing to
do your own electronics, is that you can get more power out of (at least the
high end) Shimano hub, if you want to.

And absolutely, get on and ride.  I have been pushing more in that direction in
the last year, and it's working, and it's great.  This means (some of this is
preaching to the cargo cult), dynamo hub, chain guard, fat tires, and fenders. 
My only concession to bike-specific gear, are the cleated pedals, but since I
would happily go barefoot if I were not compelled to wear shoes in so many
places, I view cleats as no weirder than any other shoes.  But bright lights are
definitely part of the plan.

David

#10232 From: Steve Lange <steve@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:35 am
Subject: Re: Cheap dynamo hubs
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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:44 PM, David Chase <dr2chase@...> wrote:
On 2009-11-29, at 10:21 PM, Dave Lloyd wrote:

> Lots of us here subscribe to the get on and ride philosophy of bicycling.  In other words, it should be just as simple to ride your bike to the store as it is to hop in a car and turn the key.  This time of year, that means lights.
>
> So, what's a committed utility bicyclist supposed to do?  Well, there is making your own power.  Enter the dynamo hub.

And absolutely, get on and ride.  I have been pushing more in that direction in the last year, and it's working, and it's great.  This means (some of this is preaching to the cargo cult), dynamo hub, chain guard, fat tires, and fenders.

There are currently three dynamo hubs in our household and one more slated to arrive tomorrow from Harris Cyclery. In the stable we've got:

- Breezer Uptown with Shimano NX30 and Lumotec Oval Senso w/Standlight
- Xtracycle with Shimano DH-3D71 and IQ Fly
- Surly Cross-Check with Shimano DH-3N72 with IQ Cyo

Coming soon:
- Alien fixed gear with Shimano DH-3N80 and IQ Cyo

(Sidenote: All the except the fixed gear currently have fenders too, hehehe)

The IQ Cyo is by far and away the best headlight I've used on a bike, period. The IQ Fly is also quite good, almost as good (but not quite) as the Cyo. The IQ Fly is also rather ugly, unless you are into boxy design. In any event,  I have ridden pitch black bike paths on a moonless night with the Cyo and had zero difficulty maintaining a decent pace while still feeling safe and in control/command of the situation. Good enough for my needs.

Neither the DH-3D71 nor DH-3N72 have any perceptible drag when in use, at least not by me. I can feel a slight "buzzing" through the handlebars on a fast (25mph+) descent with the light on, but if there's drag, it's not significant enough to stand out against the universe of drag created by the wide tires, fenders, and large non-aero rider that is the reality on my bikes. When used during daylight hours for visibility purposes (like on a shady stretch of road) I have to reach down with my hand to make sure the headlight is on... there's no telling by "feel" alone. Or maybe I'm just "insensitive"...

The Lumotec Oval on the wife's Breezer is older tech (halogen) and definitely leaves something to be desired in terms of light output. I would also say that the drag from the NX30 hub is somewhat noticeable when turned on. Not horrible and not a dealbreaker, especially if you are on a tight budget, but if you're planning to ride a 600km brevet you'll probably want to go with a DH-3N71/72/80... for an Xtracycle, however, who cares? LOL!!

In any event, and according solely to my opinion, I believe that any bike intended for the "bicycle lifestyle" should have at a minimum the following attributes, in descending order of importance: 1) dynamo head & tail lights; 2) ability to carry some kind of cargo; 3) clearance for reasonable tires (at least 700x25 if not much, much wider); and 4) fenders (theoretically optional, but when you need 'em, you really need 'em...)

A bike like the above, along with a rainjacket and/or rain pants, is what makes the difference between riding when it's convenient and forgetting you even own a car. At least, for me.... ;-)

Steve Lange
Santa Barbara, CA

#10233 From: "dianedouglas8" <diane.douglas8@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions
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I agree that having a rain flap would be useful, however, you'd need to make
accommodations for the center buckle.  If you ever used the buckles for a big or
unwieldy load, they need to be able to wrap across the snapdeck.  If you do
design rain flaps for the Freeloaders, just make sure to split them in the
middle to fit the center buckle.  I'd suggest copious amounts of hook and loop
material to insure the best possible rain coverage despite the center slit.

Scott

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "stitzljq" <stitzljq@...> wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of (very slowly) building up a Big Dummy and I'm looking to
sew my own Freeloader bags.  It's partly an issue of cost, but mostly just that
I like making things for myself.
>
> So I thought I'd ask some advice as far as the design: If you could change
anything about your Freeloaders, what would it be?  What's your favorite bit
about them?
>
> I'm open to any and all advice, but I have two specific questions:
>
> a) I've seen pictures from someone who added a flap over the top to protect
their cargo a bit more from rain.  How do ya'll feel about that?  I certainly do
get rained on often here in the NW.
>
> b) Are the mesh panels at the ends important?  I'm considering using a more
durable fabric there, as long as it can still fold out of the way for long
cargo.
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> - Joel
>

#10234 From: jameshensel@...
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:53 pm
Subject: Looking for a cheap way to build a loaner.
henseljames
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Any sizeable boat dealership that makes canvas tops will have the right size tubing in aluminum and the capability to bend it. 

 

The buttons can be obtained at McMaster Carr. http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/115/3291

 

Jim



#10235 From: "visionsavant" <smolinux@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:05 pm
Subject: Freeradical and v-racks for sale
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Hi guys,

Last year, I purchased a freeradical used from a member here.  I used it a lot
while in college, but since then I've been moving around a lot, and having a
large bike is more of a hassle than it's worth.  So I thought I'd put it up for
sale again here.

I have the freerad and two v-racks; I never got a snap deck (although I have
four snap-hooks if you want to make your own, I was intending on making one with
an old skateboard deck), and I had made my own bags, which were not that good
and got salvaged for other uses.

I'm asking for $150 for everything, shipping included.  I can take pictures late
tomorrow; I'm currently a 9-hour drive away from it.  It's in good condition;
some surface rust, but no bends or cracks or anything.  Comes with manual,
kickstand, and four snaphooks (to make a snapdeck).

#10236 From: "rcooley1972" <rcooley1@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:21 pm
Subject: where to buy a new wheelset?
rcooley1972
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Hi,

First thing, thanks for all the cold weather clothing tips.  I acquired some
good pieces based on your advice and am much more comfortable.

Here's my current need for advice- I've finally reached the point where I can
afford a new "Xtracycle worthy" heavy duty wheelset.

I have come to think that a Rhyno Lite 36H pair built around durable hubs (need
vbrake compatibility now, but want disc option for future upgrades) will be
great.  Other brands and combos are totally ok too, I'm open to suggestions.

I am 205lbs, and will be toting two 4 year old boys (soon to be 80lbs total) on
a dual seat Snapdeck (to be created), and want to add a Stokemonkey e-assist.

Suggestions regarding internet sources would be welcome.  I would like to order
a complete set, install, and keep rolling.

Found this set on Ebay.  Formula hubs?  Junk?  Price seems too good to be true
("fell off the truck??").

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230361868961&ssPageName=STRK:\
MEWAX:IT

Thanks, friends!  Happy holidays!
Rob

#10237 From: Rick Pickett <rick@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: where to buy a new wheelset?
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For everyday use, the Forumla hubs should be fine, but don't know if they're sealed bearings or loose balls/cups. Might be an issue if inclement weather is your day-to-day during winter/wet springtime. Nice thing is that they have tall flanges increasing the strength of the wheel.

Rick

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On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:21 PM, rcooley1972 wrote:

 

Hi,

First thing, thanks for all the cold weather clothing tips. I acquired some good pieces based on your advice and am much more comfortable.

Here's my current need for advice- I've finally reached the point where I can afford a new "Xtracycle worthy" heavy duty wheelset.

I have come to think that a Rhyno Lite 36H pair built around durable hubs (need vbrake compatibility now, but want disc option for future upgrades) will be great. Other brands and combos are totally ok too, I'm open to suggestions.

I am 205lbs, and will be toting two 4 year old boys (soon to be 80lbs total) on a dual seat Snapdeck (to be created), and want to add a Stokemonkey e-assist.

Suggestions regarding internet sources would be welcome. I would like to order a complete set, install, and keep rolling.

Found this set on Ebay. Formula hubs? Junk? Price seems too good to be true ("fell off the truck??").

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230361868961&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Thanks, friends! Happy holidays!
Rob



#10238 From: "WV Tenor" <bruce_alan_wilson@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:04 pm
Subject: Now recumbents can join the fun!
larryu81
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#10239 From: Carl Ray <kwikfile@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: where to buy a new wheelset?
kwikfile
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Talk to Morgan (Roots Rad also) over at http://www.cycle9.com. I am a big boy too, she builds the Bomb of a wheel! never had a wheel like it! stayed true, no broken spokes, handles the load.

Carl

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:21 PM, rcooley1972 <rcooley1@...> wrote:
 

Hi,

First thing, thanks for all the cold weather clothing tips. I acquired some good pieces based on your advice and am much more comfortable.

Here's my current need for advice- I've finally reached the point where I can afford a new "Xtracycle worthy" heavy duty wheelset.

I have come to think that a Rhyno Lite 36H pair built around durable hubs (need vbrake compatibility now, but want disc option for future upgrades) will be great. Other brands and combos are totally ok too, I'm open to suggestions.

I am 205lbs, and will be toting two 4 year old boys (soon to be 80lbs total) on a dual seat Snapdeck (to be created), and want to add a Stokemonkey e-assist.

Suggestions regarding internet sources would be welcome. I would like to order a complete set, install, and keep rolling.

Found this set on Ebay. Formula hubs? Junk? Price seems too good to be true ("fell off the truck??").

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230361868961&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Thanks, friends! Happy holidays!
Rob




--

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#10240 From: "Wes T" <watrout@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 3:39 am
Subject: Re: where to buy a new wheelset?
watrout
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I'm not usually a big proponent of pre-built wheels but I've been using this
wheelset since I built up my xtracycle and have yet to true them.  That's daily
cargo rides + occasional stupid offroad riding for over a year now and never had
to touch them...all for $200.  That's pretty impressive in my book.  Here's a
link if you're interested
http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/15675-365_AZOOL7-3-Parts-75-Wheelsets/Azonic-Ou\
tlaw-Wheelset.htm

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, "rcooley1972" <rcooley1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> First thing, thanks for all the cold weather clothing tips.  I acquired some
good pieces based on your advice and am much more comfortable.
>
> Here's my current need for advice- I've finally reached the point where I can
afford a new "Xtracycle worthy" heavy duty wheelset.
>
> I have come to think that a Rhyno Lite 36H pair built around durable hubs
(need vbrake compatibility now, but want disc option for future upgrades) will
be great.  Other brands and combos are totally ok too, I'm open to suggestions.
>
> I am 205lbs, and will be toting two 4 year old boys (soon to be 80lbs total)
on a dual seat Snapdeck (to be created), and want to add a Stokemonkey e-assist.
>
> Suggestions regarding internet sources would be welcome.  I would like to
order a complete set, install, and keep rolling.
>
> Found this set on Ebay.  Formula hubs?  Junk?  Price seems too good to be true
("fell off the truck??").
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230361868961&ssPageName=STRK:\
MEWAX:IT
>
> Thanks, friends!  Happy holidays!
> Rob
>

#10241 From: "stitzljq" <stitzljq@...>
Date: Tue Dec 1, 2009 6:50 am
Subject: Re:Looking for a cheap way to build a loaner.
stitzljq
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I recently made myself a pair of V-racks and WideLoaders... it really was quite
easy.  I ended up buying a conduit bender (under 30$) and doing it myself, but I
know that's not for everyone.

As far as attaching the Snapdeck, I bought conduit clamps ( I think that's what
they're called)... in the Electrical supply aisle at the hardware store, right
next to where I bought the conduit itself.  The clamps are just U shaped pieces
of steel that are made to fit around a specific diameter of tubing.  They have
one or two tabs on the sides, with holes to put screws through.  Of course, if
you screw the Snapdeck to the V-racks, it's not coming off easily... but in my
case I prefer strength over removability.  Anyway, I bought a six pack of the
clamps for under 2$.  Definitely an economical solution :0)

Here's what they look like:
http://www.ted-kyte.com/3D/Pictures/Conduit%20Clamp.jpg

- Joel

--- In rootsradicals@yahoogroups.com, Zoe Neal <zoeneal@...> wrote:
>
> Wes,
>
> I find myself in a similar situation; I've recently upgraded to a B.D. and
> now have an extra freeradical with no accessories.  I've been told by a
> credible source that the v-racks  can be easily home made with 7/8" conduit
> and a conduit bender.  Tomorrow I plan to drop by an electronics supply
> store and see if they can't make me another set of v-Racks (and maybe 2
> pairs of wideloaders while they're at it).  I'll let you know how that
> goes.  If this works out I've several friends who are handy with a sewing
> machine and should be able make something similar to the freeloader bags.
> The snapdeck should be easy except for the hooks that bolt to the bottom.
> Has anyone come up with a good home-made solution?
>
> -Zoe
>

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