Just joined the group and thought I would say hi. I've am in the
final stages of aquiring my commercial helicopter licence ( a dream
of over 20 years) and have ordered a R44 for delivery later this
month. If there are any other aussie 44 owners on this site, g'day
to you
I look forward to lots of interesting hours of flying in the future.

Just joined up so wanted to say hi!

I run www.flightsbyhelicopter.com, providing heli-tours worldwide.
Anyone want info on booking a flight? I'd be delighted to help.

And why don't we organise a special R44 tour for members of this
group?

Best wishes

i am learning to fly a 44 and would like to purchase a slighty used
ship also looking for a good safe instructor my home is monroe mi e
mail with info or suggestions

Hi, I'm working on a public helicopter database
at www.helis.com/database

This is a collaborative project to find helicopter related
information where anyone can add or edit an entry
You can enter/search Construction Numbers, Serials, ID of each model
on every organization

please send your comments and join us

Thanks
Jorge

Many of you have been chatting about the need for an air conditioning
system for the R44.... well, one is now available!!!  It has been
designed by Performance Environmental Systems Inc (based in Safety
Harbor,FL)and has recently been fully FAA certified. Brochures are
currently being mailed to all those interested so if you want one,
may I suggest you email pesys@... requesting a copy.

By the way, PES is is not (and has never been) anything to do with
Aero Aire Corporation who, incidentally, are out of business.

I have noticed quite a few requests for information on R44 air conditioning. I
am an A&P Mechanic and I know of a company that has been developing a system for
the R44 for the past 3 years and it is to undergo FAA certification flight
trials on August 21st. I will be installing the kit with them for the
certification. The owners/operators who have been privileged to see the system
so far are most impressed and will be purchasing one as soon as it's certified.
Compared to other kits which I have installed on other aircraft this one is a
top notch kit as far as ease of installation and maintenance. Testing on this
system so far has shown that the output temperature of the evaporator air is in
the 60's F with an OAT ambient of over 100' F. The systems performance and
efficiency can be verified by an Astro operator and a Raven 1 owner. The people
that are designing and manufacturing this system are Engineers that have many
years of experience in the helicopter and Air
  Conditioning/Refrigeration business. I have never met a more dedicated group of
people in my life, very professionally minded meticulous people. If you would
like to get a hold of them, here is the company info: Performance Environmental
Systems Inc., 955B Harbor Lake Court, Safety Harbor, Florida 34695. Tel (727)
793 9793 and Fax (727) 793 9401. email them at pushmataha@....
This company should not be confused with a company that made a miserable excuse
for an A/C system for the R44. That was Aero Aire Inc. and I have first hand
knowledge of their kit and can tell you it was poorly engineered. They are no
longer in business and the company that bought them from the bank no longer
offers the system.






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Hi,

I met Shawn at HAI and picked up a copy of the new book.  It is
approx twice the size and information of the first book.  I think he
did a great job on it.  This book is self-published.  There will be
some changes made as it has some errors and misprints (like Chapter 8
appears twice) but all in all, it is very thorough and well written.
He took my address and has promised to send me the revisions.

Also, if you are interest in publications and are a CFI...the FAA has
printed a new book called "Helicopter Instructor's Guide".  It covers
all of the maneuvers and oral exam questions from the instructors
point of view.  It is available at NO charge from your FSDO, contact
your ASPM to get a copy.

--- In robinsonr44club@yahoogroups.com, Alan Radecki <akradecki@y...>
wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have a book question. I've heard that Canadian helo
> test pilot Shawn Coyle has come out with a new book on
> helicopter aerodynamics and flying technique called
> "Cyclic and Collective: More Art and Science of Flying
> Helicopters". My question is, has anyone seen it, and
> if so, what do you think of it? I really enjoyed his
> first book, Art and Science of Flying Helicopters, and
> I'm seriously contemplating ordering it, but wanted a
> "pirep" of it first, before I shell out the 45 bucks.
> I found it at the website www.helobooks.com
>
> Thanks!
>
> Alan Radecki
> Webmaster,
> www.mojojets.com
>
>
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Hi Everyone,

I have a book question. I’ve heard that Canadian helo
test pilot Shawn Coyle has come out with a new book on
helicopter aerodynamics and flying technique called
“Cyclic and Collective: More Art and Science of Flying
Helicopters”. My question is, has anyone seen it, and
if so, what do you think of it? I really enjoyed his
first book, Art and Science of Flying Helicopters, and
I’m seriously contemplating ordering it, but wanted a
“pirep” of it first, before I shell out the 45 bucks.
I found it at the website www.helobooks.com

Thanks!

Alan Radecki
Webmaster,
www.mojojets.com


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Hi all -

I am trying to justify my dream to spend lots of money (that I don't
have) to learn to fly helicopters. It seems like even if I get my
certification, I really can't justify spending top dollars just to
buzz around town....

Does anyone know of any "for a good cause" organization who could and
would use low-time new helicopter pilots to do some volunteer work?
I am thinking something like "Angel Flight" or "Doctors Without
Borders" except that they pretty much need high time pilots for these
missions... Domestic work or short term overseas work would both be
of interests to me.

Thanks for any information you may have to share.
Steven

Hi guys, you may or maynot have heard/seen my website covering the
Production of Robinson helicopters:
http://members.tripod.com/r-22/
I am looking for any photos that you guys can provide in order to
illustrate the prod-listings as fully as can be achieved: my ultimate
goal is to have a picture of EVERY machine built!!!! some dream!!!
So please send any that you want from the link on my site and see if
I can't double the 190 pix so far available,
TIA - coptercrazy - Dave Lenton

--- In robinsonr44club@y..., rotrhd1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Congrats on the new bird Jim.
>
> Are you running your own company and have plans to use the
> R44 commercially? If so, what plans do you already have for it?
> What kind of hours are left on the machine and about how
much
> did you purchase for?
>
> I'm interested in getting one going myself to put to work and
am
> curious in some of the numbers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark.
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the message.
     I am running my own company doing scenic flights, tours and
aerial photography.  I had my Schweizer on a single pilot 135
certificate and am in the process of getting the R-44 on it.  I am
hoping to generate enough work through the diversity of projects
to generate enough revenue to support the ship.
The ship has about 850 hours on it and I paid $220,000 for it.  It
was owned and operated by one owner with only himself and
another pilot operating it.  They were very well trained and very up
on the maintainance.  It was equiped nicely for what I had in
mind and by keeping the acquision price down it helped on the
cost of hull insurance.
The way I have it calculated is like this.....
If I could have found a similar ship with say 500 hours remaining
on it in the $150,000 range, I would have bought it.
So, if I fly this one for say another 850 hours it should be
saleable somewhere in that range.  So if I paid 220 and can get
around 150, my base cost is $70,000.  At $100 per hour 700
hours would be $70,000.  I think I can make that work. Worse
case is that I get to build the time in type and fly for a couple of
years.
I just got back yesterday from the factory safety school.  Really
well worth the time.  I  learned alot.
Insurance is the hard one to deal with, but it can be done.
Well, let me know what you think.
Talk to you soon,

Jim

--- In robinsonr44club@y..., rotrhd1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Congrats on the new bird Jim.
>
> Are you running your own company and have plans to use the
> R44 commercially? If so, what plans do you already have for it?
> What kind of hours are left on the machine and about how
much
> did you purchase for?
>
> I'm interested in getting one going myself to put to work and
am
> curious in some of the numbers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark.
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the message.
     I am running my own company doing scenic flights, tours and
aerial photography.  I had my Schweizer on a single pilot 135
certificate and am in the process of getting the R-44 on it.  I am
hoping to generate enough work through the diversity of projects
to generate enough revenue to support the ship.
The ship has about 850 hours on it and I paid $220,000 for it.  It
was owned and operated by one owner with only himself and
another pilot operating it.  They were very well trained and very up
on the maintainance.  It was equiped nicely for what I had in
mind and by keeping the acquision price down it helped on the
cost of hull insurance.
The way I have it calculated is like this.....
If I could have found a similar ship with say 500 hours remaining
on it in the $150,000 range, I would have bought it.
So, if I fly this one for say another 850 hours it should be
saleable somewhere in that range.  So if I paid 220 and can get
around 150, my base cost is $70,000.  At $100 per hour 700
hours would be $70,000.  I think I can make that work. Worse
case is that I get to build the time in type and fly for a couple of
years.
I just got back yesterday from the factory safety school.  Really
well worth the time.  I  learned alot.
Insurance is the hard one to deal with, but it can be done.
Well, let me know what you think.
Talk to you soon,

Jim

--- In robinsonr44club@y..., rotrhd1 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Congrats on the new bird Jim.
>
> Are you running your own company and have plans to use the
> R44 commercially? If so, what plans do you already have for it?
> What kind of hours are left on the machine and about how
much
> did you purchase for?
>
> I'm interested in getting one going myself to put to work and
am
> curious in some of the numbers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark.
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the message.
     I am running my own company doing scenic flights, tours and
aerial photography.  I had my Schweizer on a single pilot 135
certificate and am in the process of getting the R-44 on it.  I am
hoping to generate enough work through the diversity of projects
to generate enough revenue to support the ship.
The ship has about 850 hours on it and I paid $220,000 for it.  It
was owned and operated by one owner with only himself and
another pilot operating it.  They were very well trained and very up
on the maintainance.  It was equiped nicely for what I had in
mind and by keeping the acquision price down it helped on the
cost of hull insurance.
The way I have it calculated is like this.....
If I could have found a similar ship with say 500 hours remaining
on it in the $150,000 range, I would have bought it.
So, if I fly this one for say another 850 hours it should be
saleable somewhere in that range.  So if I paid 220 and can get
around 150, my base cost is $70,000.  At $100 per hour 700
hours would be $70,000.  I think I can make that work. Worse
case is that I get to build the time in type and fly for a couple of
years.
I just got back yesterday from the factory safety school.  Really
well worth the time.  I  learned alot.
Insurance is the hard one to deal with, but it can be done.
Well, let me know what you think.
Talk to you soon,

Jim

Congrats on the new bird Jim.

Are you running your own company and have plans to use the
R44 commercially? If so, what plans do you already have for it?
What kind of hours are left on the machine and about how much
did you purchase for?

I'm interested in getting one going myself to put to work and am
curious in some of the numbers.

Regards,

Mark.

Hi Guys,
Ok so lets talk about R-44's on here.
I just aquired a 1997 Astro and am in progress of getting up to
speed in it.
Going to the factory school next week, April 3rd thru 8th.
I'd like to hear other people's ideas and experiences for using
our ship.So lets get talking.
Also, I'd like to know about alternative sources for parts.
Ok, here's my post, .......
Jim

Hi Guys,
Ok so lets talk about R-44's on here.
I just aquired a 1997 Astro and am in progress of getting up to
speed in it.
Going to the factory school next week, April 3rd thru 8th.
I'd like to hear other people's ideas and experiences for using
our ship.So lets get talking.
Also, I'd like to know about alternative sources for parts.
Ok, here's my post, .......
Jim

Hi guys,<br>just joined your group and thought
I'd introduce myself.<br>I'm a 40+ year old
truck-driving spotter who has spend the past 10 years on
building a full production listing of Robinson
Helicopters, site added under links!!<br>Thought I might drop
in and see what you guys do all night,<br>regards
from Coventry, UK<br>Dave

I know they have a turbo or turbonormalized one in the works.  Lots of rumors
about an R-55 or an R-66 but I think they are mostly rumors. I sure would like
ot see an R-55 though.

I've heard some rumblings about a secret project or a new model to be
introduced.  Anyone know anything about this?  Will it be unveiled at HeliExpo?

go to www.aeroaire.com for more information!

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I have not gotten my Instrument license yet but
am planning on it. I am also looking into purchasing
a R44. All of the Robinson documentation states
that the Raven IFR is a trainer only and not IFR
certified. What makes a helicopter IFR certified? Does it
have to be turbine? Certain
Avionics?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Brian

Thanks for the info!  I love the noise (the quiet, actually) emitted from the
R-44, maybe someday i'll be more than a fan.

The Raven has hydraulic assisted cyclic and
collective. The Astro has an electronic trim system.Pop out
floats are emergency flotation devices that inflate on
demand and a water "landing " can be possible.

what's the difference between the raven and the astro?<br><br>also, could anyone
explain pop-out floats to me?<br><br>thank you for your information and patience

Greetings R-44 gurus, perhaps you could entertain
a few questions,<br><br>1. What is involved in the
2000 overhaul, how long will these airframes really
last?<br>2. Does the funky "t-stick" cyclic interfere with
accessing the radios, avionics, etc.?<br>3. What are some
of the "quirks" referred to in previous
messages?<br>4. How fast can an R-44 go? I've read everything
from 115-160mph<br><br>Any illumination would be
greatly appreciated.<br>ec

The R-44 is as unsafe as any other helicopter in
unexperienced hands. Its not the machine,its the pilot with
inadequate training. The R-44 has several quirks that need
to be known and mastered,after that, its a wonderful
helicopter.

Just joined the club...been interested in
learning to fly next year. I have been looking at the R44
for awhile now as it looks like the perfect family
helicopter.<br>I would like to find more pictures of the R44 if
anyone can help.<br>Thanks<br>gotdefever

i just got a response from a FEMALE  pilot that says robinsons are very
dangerous! what do you say fellas?

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