In Re 8.14 there is an announcement that there are three woes to come. In 9.12 following the "locust" plague it is stated that the first woe is past. In...
If anyone is interested, I'm in the midst of translating into English the Victorinus of Poetovio commentary on the Apocalypse as found in the Sources...
I thought I'd offer some possibilities with regard to your observation. If, as the text states, the three woes are the last three trumpets, then the sixth...
I came to similar conclusions as Edmund about twenty years ago, but never publically stated them as clearly and succinctly as he does below. Jon Paulien ...
Jon Paulien
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Jul 4, 2006 11:02 pm
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I see no reason to interpret Rev 9:13 ("Woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels...")...
Greetings Everybody, The EABS (European Association of Biblical Studies) will held its next year (2007) conference together with the SBL in Wien, Austria...
Would you happen to know the dates for 2007? I couldn't find them on the website. I am on sabbatical next spring and summer and this may be an excellent...
Tom Ricks
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Aug 31, 2006 2:26 pm
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Dear Tom, and anyone interested, as far as I know, the next year SBL-EABS joined meeting of Vienna will be between 22-26 July. If nothing changes in the...
Thanks Laszlo! Tom ... From: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com [mailto:revelation-list@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hubbes.laszlo Sent: Thursday, August 31,...
Tom Ricks
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beloved, I was wondering if the group could give the understanding of Rev 2:9; 3:9. Spacifically if the identity of "Jews" is of ethnic origin = children from...
My recent PhD student, Philip Mayo, wrote his dissertation on Revelation and the Jews. It has now been published by Wipf and Stock in the Princeton Monograph...
David Scholer
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Oct 12, 2006 11:33 pm
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I would agree with Dr. Scholer that the Jews mentioned in Rev. 2.9, and 3.9 are ethnic Jews. I am unaware of any reason to understand the references in any...
I agree [ethnic Jews], though there is a related question here, still unanswered in my own mind. The Apocalypse clearly understands the "people of God" to be...
In a message dated 10/12/2006 9:20:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... I, too, believe the Jews in 2:9 and 3:9 are ethnic Jews. My understanding of Revelation is...
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Oct 13, 2006 2:25 am
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Two brief comments: Some commentators see the 144,000 as another way of viewing the whole church, i.e. under the image of the ancient Israelite tribes numbered...
I have been absent from this group for about 2 years. Has anyone any comments on Frilingos' "Spectacles of Empire"? Jon Newton Tabor College NSW, Australia...
Sinclair Stable wrote: "I was wondering if the group could give the understanding of Rev 2:9; 3:9." I was about to ask you to search the (old) archives, as I...
Kenneth Gentry wrote: "I have a brief paper on 1:7 from this perspective that I could post on revelation-list if anyone would like for me to." I would very...
Jon Newton wrote: "I have been absent from this group for about 2 years. Has anyone any comments on Frilingos' 'Spectacles of Empire'?" Jon Newton, You might...
Due to the fact that the number is given as precisely 144,000 as opposed to an innumerable multitude, I would say that these are the faithful Jews of the Old...
If ethnic Jews are meant, isn't John saying that when a Jew calls himself a Jew he is lying? Is that what we should say to our Jewish friends? Does a Jew stop...
Ramsey Michaels
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Oct 13, 2006 1:47 pm
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Colleagues: I would like to recommend two articles that I think complicate this discussion; they both appear in *The Reality of Apocalypse: Rhetoric and ...
David L Barr
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Oct 13, 2006 2:55 pm
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Colleagues, David Barr's helpful reference to very recent (too recent for libraries at my institution) articles from Friesen and Duff has helped turn the ...
I would take that as referring to ethnic Jews who opposed the Church. Remember that after Jamnia there was considerable antipathy for Christians. I believe...
Since the whole Church is represented by the innumerable multitude and the two groups are clearly distinguished, I don't think it likely that the 144,000 would...
No, I don't think the author of the Apocalypse means that when a Jew calls himself a Jew he is lying. What I think he is saying is that the then current...
Twice John sees the world in a two part taxonomy of Jews and Gentiles: 7.1-9 (144,000 from Israel and innumerable Gentiles) and 14.1-6 (144,000 on Mt Zion and...
When the identities of the "Jews" and the 144,00 are considered, one issue to be addressed is how John understood the source and nature of the conflict the...
I agree that the Jews in Rev 2:9 are ethnic jews. As for the two groups in Rev 7, I have recently published an Article in Biblica 86 (2005) 396-406 titled...
For what it is worth, I agree. I will look for Rob's article, which I had not seen. The discussion of this whole issue has been fun. As G. K. Chesterton...
