Was glancing over a few lines of Hesiod's Theogony and ran into something that sounded familiar. Theogony line 38 . . . TA T' EONTA TA T' ESSOMENA PRO T' EONTA...
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c.s.bartholomew
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Apr 13, 2003 5:20 am
Thanks to heroic efforts of my local library's ILL staff and the Seattle Pacific U., I am taking a look at Grant Osborn's new book in Baker's ECNT edited by...
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Phil Mayo
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Apr 13, 2003 9:54 pm
I too have been working with Osborne's commentary; mainly in Rev 10-12. I find your comment interesting that Osborne refuses to get forced into an either/or...
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c.s.bartholomew
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Apr 13, 2003 11:54 pm
Hello Philip, Thanks for your reply. A few comments: ... Yes I agree and I remember noting this same tendency in '91 when I read the first edition of Osborn's...
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c.s.bartholomew
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Apr 14, 2003 8:08 pm
In front matter of Grant Osborn's Revelation ECNT, the general editor Moises Silva (p. x) notes that this commentary series is going to include an interpretive...
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Pere Porta Roca
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Apr 15, 2003 7:39 am
... From: "c.s.bartholomew" <c.s.bartholomew@...> To: <revelation-list@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:06 PM Subject:...
Is it Osborne who speaks of Latin sources? Georg S. Adamsen...
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c.s.bartholomew
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Apr 15, 2003 3:56 pm
Hello Georg, ... No. Osborne (p.36) says in English: "In 3:1 Sardis is told that Christ 'holds the sevenfold Sprit of God,' indicating that he is the 'Spirit...
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c.s.bartholomew
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Apr 15, 2003 8:01 pm
... Osborne seems to be building his case for "sent by the Son" from several texts: Osborne on 3:1 (p173) "... Jesus 'holds' (ECWN ... connotes divine...
Clay, Perhaps there is a problem with the "daisy-chaining," as you call it, but doesn't the greater difficulty lie in the assumption that the "sending" of the...
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Joel and Rachel Wilhelm
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Apr 15, 2003 9:40 pm
I noticed something in Ezekiel that I think has ramifications for the interpretation of Revelation. In Ezekiel 8 in particular the prophet sees a manlike...
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Joel and Rachel Wilhelm
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Apr 15, 2003 9:40 pm
Dr. Gentry: Would discovering that the date was indeed later radically alter your theological position? I am interested in the motives that are underneath all...
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Don K. Preston
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Apr 16, 2003 1:48 am
Joel, if I might weigh in on your question. Personally, discovering that the dating of the Apocalypse was indeed early did radically alter my theological...
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c.s.bartholomew
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Apr 16, 2003 2:59 am
... Thanks John, Yes, I see what you are saying. Two things that don't tie together. My mistake, clearly not Osborn's. Perhaps then, one should not connect...
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Jon Newton
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Apr 16, 2003 4:25 am
Don, please explain your comments about the dating. How did it alter your theological paradigm? Jon Newton. ... From: Don K. Preston...
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Don K
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Apr 16, 2003 12:25 pm
My view of Revelation and the future, based on the late date, was that the Apocalypse was predictive of the fall of Rome, and then to a final cosmic...
Perhaps. However, despite the comments by Professor Aune and many others schoalrs, I doubt that this is really the same pattern. The tripartite formula in...
... This is one of the most sensible submissions to this list in some time. It also correlates well with the nature of apocalyptic--and John was writing a...
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c.s.bartholomew
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Apr 16, 2003 7:54 pm
Georg, In Homer's Iliad 1:70 we find the same wording as the Theogony l. 38: . . . TA T' EONTA TA T' ESSOMENA PRO T' EONTA In both the Iliad and the Theogony...
I must disagree somewhat with both Mr. Krantz and the Wilhelms. Prophetic writings are not only of value and import to their immediate audience but for future...
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Joel and Rachel Wilhelm
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Apr 23, 2003 5:01 pm
Re: [revelation-list] EzekielProf. Krentz and list, I am afraid I will cause you to withdraw your view of my post as 'sensible.' I agree that John wrote to his...
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Don K
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Apr 23, 2003 9:47 pm
Re: [revelation-list] EzekielI personally have no problem with the idea that John was envisioning real events, in imagery of course. My problem is that when we...
... I agree with what Don just wrote above. Rev. itself says it is about what will happen EN TACHEI, that is, "quickly." By no stretch of language can that be...
Don K., ... distant future, from John, or for that matter from us, we are violating the temporal parameters established by the One who gave the revelation to...
Re: [revelation-list] EzekielI do not agree. The temporal parameters are less important and more open to discussion (also more than Professor Krentz asserts)...
I do believe that the Apocalypse was of value to John's contemporaries but I also believe that being prophecy there are predictive sections that have yet to...
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Reidar Kristiansen
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Apr 24, 2003 6:11 pm
The vision is from him who is,was and is to come,therefore the imagery also could be from the past. Reidar Kristiansen rki@... ... Få din egen...
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Reidar Kristiansen
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Apr 24, 2003 6:15 pm
The vision is from him who is,was and is to come,therefore the imagery also could be from the past. Reidar Kristiansen rki@... ... Få din egen...
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Reidar Kristiansen
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Apr 24, 2003 6:35 pm
The vision is from him who is,was and is to come,therefore the imagery also could be from the past. Reidar Kristiansen rki@... ... Få din egen...
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Reidar Kristiansen
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Apr 24, 2003 6:36 pm
The vision is from him who is,was and is to come,therefore the imagery also could be from the past. Reidar Kristiansen rki@... Reidar Kristiansen ... Få...
