... disappointed. ... makes me . . . I find it hard to ... Revelation ... colleagues, Pablo ... element ... perhaps ... concentricity ... authors ... I agree...
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Juan Stam
juanstam2001
Jan 20, 2003 2:58 pm
Of course, the term comes from the Greek letter Chi, and refers to a structure of A1 - B1 - B2 -A2 (inverted, like the points of a Chi). A good example is...
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jonp
jonp@...
Jan 21, 2003 8:29 pm
While he likes the phrase "concentric pattern" for both types, Charles Talbert (Reading John, especially bottom of page 124) distinguishes "chiasms" into two...
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Juan Stam
juanstam2001
Jan 22, 2003 3:16 pm
I agree with John Paulien that ABA thinking was natural to the Hebrew mindset (perhaps like puns or alliteration in modern mindset) but my doubts arrive when...
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John C. Poirier
johncpoirier
Jan 22, 2003 4:35 pm
Although it is liturgical, the *Songs of the Sabbath Sacrifice* is also apocalyptic in many ways. In this connection, it is worth pointing out that some...
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jonp
jonp@...
Jan 22, 2003 5:28 pm
I like Juan's proposal for a comprehensive search for concentric patterns in ancient apocalyptic outside Revelation. This would have some bearing on structural...
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Ian Paul
revdrianpaul
Jan 22, 2003 7:11 pm
... that ... and ... I wonder if we could step back a little and ask a question about methodology, which I think (in this and other areas) is overlooked. What...
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Phillip J. Long
plong@...
Jan 22, 2003 9:01 pm
Try this site: http://www.historicist.com/mede/title.htm This is the Key (Clavis Apocalyptica), but you really need to read the Works for his veiws on the...
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Richard Anderson
randerson58
Jan 23, 2003 2:14 am
Dr. Ian Paul wrote: I wonder if we could step back a little and ask a question about methodology, which I think (in this and other areas) is overlooked. What...
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Ken Flowers <kflow...
k_flowers
Jan 23, 2003 3:50 pm
I've done some rather extensive study on chiasmus in Revelation. Much of that study is based on an out of print work by Nils Lund called "Studies in...
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David Scholer
dscholer@...
Jan 23, 2003 9:43 pm
In the discussion of Revelation and chiasmus to date, I do not think anyone has mentioned either of the following two resources: Lund, Nils W. Chiasmus in the...
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kymhsm <ksmith@......
kymhsm
Jan 24, 2003 4:36 am
Dear list, Unaware of the discussion on the list, I am in the middle of working through the authors mentioned and their criteria for establishing chiastic...
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kymhsm <ksmith@......
kymhsm
Jan 24, 2003 11:30 am
Dear Listers, As promised, here is an edited bit of the section I am writing. I have included the footnotes as they may also be useful. ... Brouwer has...
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Juan Stam
juanstam2001
Jan 24, 2003 9:08 pm
I'm grateful for the valuable discussion on chiasmus. I have two more questions about the alleged concentric structure of Revelation: 1) I agree with Jon that...
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Juan Stam
juanstam2001
Jan 26, 2003 3:45 am
I agree with Alan that this verse is not meant to give an outline of the book. (1) It is best translated, "what you have seen, that is things that are and...
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Bob MacDonald
bobmacdonald@...
Jan 27, 2003 7:12 am
The passages that have the phrase "Synagogue of Satan" speak of those that the author claims "say that they are Jews but are not". I have not seen it suggested...
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goranson@...
Jan 27, 2003 9:49 am
Perhaps you might read: David Frankfurter, "Jews or Not? Reconstructing the 'Other' in Rev 2:9 and 3:9," HTR 94 (2001) 403-25 Stephen Goranson, "Essene Polemic...
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Paul Anderson
panderso@...
Jan 27, 2003 7:11 pm
Thanks, Bob, I read in that reference the sort of tensions that Lou Martyn and Raymond Brown have argued was a dialectical set of tensions between Johannine...
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Alan Fuller <rocsy...
rocsy
Jan 29, 2003 5:27 pm
Bob, If John was familiar with the writings of Paul, then he may have been referring to Jews that were not worshipping Christ (Romans 2:17,28,29 9:6)....
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Alan Fuller <rocsy...
rocsy
Jan 29, 2003 5:43 pm
Ken F, I like your outline, but I have a couple of questions. ... I only find 6 announcing angels here. (14:6, 8, 9, 15, 17, 18) Do you count the one like the...
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kymhsm <ksmith@......
kymhsm
Jan 30, 2003 2:49 am
Dear Alan, You wrote, <<< If John was familiar with the writings of Paul, then he may have been referring to Jews that were not worshipping Christ (Romans...
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Bob MacDonald
bobmacdonald@...
Jan 31, 2003 4:10 pm
Alan: <<< If John was familiar with the writings of Paul, then he may have been referring to Jews that were not worshipping Christ (Romans 2:17,28,29; 9:6).>>>...
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Greg Carey
gcarey666
Jan 31, 2003 4:30 pm
I offered a paper on this topic at SBL last November. The abstract is below. As I worked on the paper, I realized that it also needed a discussion of...
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c.s.bartholomew@...
Feb 2, 2003 10:33 pm
Looking for the Greek and Latin fragments of the Questions of Bartholomew. All I can find is a pre WWI article: Revue Biblique 1913 MM. Wilmart and Tisserant ...
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kymhsm <ksmith@......
kymhsm
Feb 3, 2003 12:36 am
Dear Bob, In response to parts of your post, <<<It seems too early historically for a consolidated 'Christian' view of 'Jews not worshipping Christ' to be...
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Greg Clarke
gclarke@...
Feb 3, 2003 1:27 am
Dear list How strong is the external evidence *against* the Domitian dating hypothesis and for an earlier date? I am revisiting the Massyngberge-Ford notion of...
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KennethGentry@...
Feb 3, 2003 2:14 am
In a message dated 2/2/03 8:28:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... I have written a 400 page book defending the early date (AD 65-66) for Revelation from internal...
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Doug Jantz
dwjantz@...
Feb 3, 2003 2:42 am
I don't have my resources here, but there is also evidence for writing of the book during the reign of Vespasian, after the destruction of Jerusalem. Someone...
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kymhsm <ksmith@......
kymhsm
Feb 3, 2003 2:48 am
Dear Greg, I know nothing about the "Massyngberge-Ford notion"but, as is clear from my previous post, I date the Revelation early as well. I have argued for a...
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c.s.bartholomew@...
Feb 3, 2003 5:42 am
... Found it in: Los Evangelios Apocrifos : colección de textos griegos y latinos, versión crítica ; estudios introductorios y comentarios por Aurelio de...
