Keith, I read the article with some intrest, but these thoughts occured to me. The woman was in heaven. The dragon was in heaven. So wasn't the baby born in...
Hello Alan, I think the allusion to Daniel 8 is not a stong one; the horn that comes out of the broken large horn tramples the hosts, but the dragon in...
Keith, Thanks for your clarification, but I have to disagree with the location of the woman and the man child. 12:1 says the woman is in heaven. 12:3 says the...
Hello Alan, ALAN: I have to disagree with the location of the woman and the man child. KEITH: The text says, "Then a great sign appeared in heaven . . . " This...
Hi Keith, I am prepared to accept that in the vision the woman, dragon, and birth are in heaven because that's what the vision says. Of course that doesn't...
Greetings Alan, ... The woman? Okay, we can let that go for the time being. But who, then, would you say is the Man Child? And finally, I'm not all that...
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Leo R Percer
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Jan 10, 2003 3:20 am
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:53:50 -0000 "Alan Fuller <rocsy@...>" ... and ... Psalm 2:8-9 shows up in one other place in Revelation--19:15. This is the...
Greetings from Costa Rica! I have several questions about Victorinus' commentary on Revelation. Since my resources here in Central America are limited, I will...
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P. Alain-Marie de Las...
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Jan 10, 2003 7:16 am
... Hi Juan, I easily found the passage of Victorinus you are looking for in the edition of Victorinus commentary published in the "Sources chrétiennes"...
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Bob MacDonald
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Jan 10, 2003 9:51 am
Your archives reveal that the Apocalypse by Jacques Ellul (1978) has not been referenced in your discussions. While this book is a nuisance to search (no...
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Don K
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Jan 10, 2003 2:05 pm
I seems to me that this objection overlooks one thing. The Apocalypse is not just a prophecy of "things to come" but is a review of things that had been, and...
I began reading Ellul with great expectations, but was largely disappointed. for several reasons: 1) Ellul's complicated arguments were hard for me to follow,...
DON: Thus, the vision of chapter 12 certainly could, it seems to me, be a review of the past, a vision of the present, and a foretaste of the immediate future...
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Ramsey Michaels
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Jan 10, 2003 3:41 pm
Hi Juan, The notice that the church has "gone out of the midst" (de medio) would not have to imply a pre-tribulation rapture as modern dispensationalists ...
Hi Keith, ... Jesus?<< Sviegel says it is primarily the body of Christ, meaning the church. That is more in line with my thinking, although I don't see the ...
Don, In 1:19 John is instructed to what he has seen, what he sees, and the following things he will see. It is popular to use this verse to divide the book ...
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Jan 11, 2003 7:22 am
... Professor Michaels and Juan, Take a look at how de medio is used here. Matt. 13:49 sic erit in consummatione saeculi exibunt angeli et separabunt malos de...
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coates
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Jan 11, 2003 2:18 pm
The thematic symbolism of the woman and her child here is too strong to reduce to a singular reference. Of course I come from the standpoint that the Bible is...
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coates
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Jan 11, 2003 4:58 pm
Apologies for this last mail . . .it went off accidentally. The imagery of this woman in labour seems to trigger thoughts of Genesis 3v15. Here the first...
My deep gratitude to Alain-Marie de Lassus, Ramsey Michaels and Clay Bartholomew for their valuable help on Victorinus. Looking at other passages in...
JASON: "The idea of a struggling woman carrying the seed of righteousness through the generations comes forth in figures such as Rachel and Mary whose lives ...
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Phillip J. Long
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Jan 16, 2003 4:12 pm
... I can comment on Mede. He is a proto- premillenialist, in that Christ returns at the end of the conflgation at the end the AC's rule, establishes the...
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epe villefontaine
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Jan 20, 2003 12:15 pm
Does anybody know if it is possible to find the commentary of Joseph Mede on Revelation (and his other books) on the Internet ? Of course, a place where it...
... disappointed. ... makes me . . . I find it hard to ... Revelation ... colleagues, Pablo ... element ... perhaps ... concentricity ... authors ... I agree...
Of course, the term comes from the Greek letter Chi, and refers to a structure of A1 - B1 - B2 -A2 (inverted, like the points of a Chi). A good example is...
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jonp
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Jan 21, 2003 8:29 pm
While he likes the phrase "concentric pattern" for both types, Charles Talbert (Reading John, especially bottom of page 124) distinguishes "chiasms" into two...
I agree with John Paulien that ABA thinking was natural to the Hebrew mindset (perhaps like puns or alliteration in modern mindset) but my doubts arrive when...
Although it is liturgical, the *Songs of the Sabbath Sacrifice* is also apocalyptic in many ways. In this connection, it is worth pointing out that some...
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jonp
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Jan 22, 2003 5:28 pm
I like Juan's proposal for a comprehensive search for concentric patterns in ancient apocalyptic outside Revelation. This would have some bearing on structural...
... that ... and ... I wonder if we could step back a little and ask a question about methodology, which I think (in this and other areas) is overlooked. What...
