Revelation is indeed filled with metaphor and symbols and one could possibly even argue symbols of symbols. I do understand that. But don't get me wrong, I am...
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Georg S. Adamsen
gsaatmenighe...
Nov 3, 2001 11:40 pm
Hi Alan Two monts ago we discussed Rev 11:13. Then I had to concentrate on other issues. I remain unconvinced that Rev 14:7 and 15:4 supports that 11:13 refers...
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Georg S. Adamsen
gsaatmenighe...
Nov 3, 2001 11:40 pm
Ian, As regards your first reason I and many others have also noticed this development from a partial judgment in ch. 6ff to the complete judgment in 15f....
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Alan Missen
alanwmissen
Nov 4, 2001 3:08 am
Dear Georg Thanks for your comments on the above issue. I certainly agree that the argument for 11:13 referring to conversion is open to debate. However, your...
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Georg S. Adamsen
gsaatmenighe...
Nov 4, 2001 8:53 am
Dear Alan As regards your first question, your question presupposes that proskunew means "worship". If you translate proskunew differently (and I argued in my ...
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irbrown@...
Nov 4, 2001 2:50 pm
Georg, Let me say a bit more about my second reason involving Rev 10:6-7. Rev 10:6-7 exhibits the construction OUKETI . . . ALLA . . . showing a strong ...
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Georg S. Adamsen
gsaatmenighe...
Nov 4, 2001 8:55 pm
Hi Ian I agree that there is a contrast in the OUKETI ... ALLA construction, but not that this proves your point. First, that the delay will end only expresses...
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Ken Flowers
k_flowers
Nov 5, 2001 2:27 pm
... refers to ... I've been wondering if this is the right question for this verse. For me the thing to note is that there seems to be at least an opportunity ...
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Ken Flowers
k_flowers
Nov 5, 2001 2:52 pm
I realized when I sent my last post that I should probably have introduced myself first. My interest in Revelation has been in finding ways to communicate its ...
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merritt spencer
mspencer@...
Nov 5, 2001 3:09 pm
I am Merritt Spencer and have not posted yet. I also am a lay person who has written an unpublished book on Revelation. Ken I would appreciate your emailing ...
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merritt spencer
mspencer@...
Nov 7, 2001 1:56 am
Ken I received your book and have begun to read it. I decided not to wait until I finished to begin to comment. I agree with so much and will not go into...
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Loren Johns
llj215
Nov 7, 2001 3:15 am
I think this spiritualization of Revelation is suspect and the reasoning
offered here escapes me. Jesus is the firstborn from the spiritually
dead? He died a...
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merritt spencer
mspencer@...
Nov 7, 2001 3:10 pm
How is Jesus the first born from physcial death since He raised others from physical death before He died physically?...
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David L. Barr
david.barr@...
Nov 7, 2001 4:14 pm
At 09:09 AM 11/7/01 -0600, you wrote: How is Jesus the first born from physcial death since He raised others from physical death before He died physically? I...
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Edgar Krentz
ekrentz2001
Nov 7, 2001 4:14 pm
... Because "first born" is not a statement of chronology, but of position. Read the commentaries on Col 1:15 for the evidence, and BDAG, s.v. -- ...
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merritt spencer
mspencer@...
Nov 7, 2001 4:23 pm
I agree that Jesus' resurrection was the beginning of the resurrection of the just that would mark the beginning of the new age. I do not agree that we are...
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Loren Johns
llj215
Nov 7, 2001 4:25 pm
"Firstborn" functioned somewhat like pre-existence in early Judaism.
Various things, such as wisdom, the Law, etc., were created before the
world was created....
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merritt spencer
mspencer@...
Nov 7, 2001 4:33 pm
I would suggest it is both....
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merritt spencer
mspencer@...
Nov 7, 2001 5:09 pm
I see the wisdom and the law,etc i.e. the word of God being Jesus personified. Yes He existed before all creation but the first born from death is a reference...
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Loren Johns
llj215
Nov 7, 2001 5:17 pm
I would say that your method of doing theology is not sufficiently
informed by historical work, which does not entirely control, but should
inform and provide...
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Ken Flowers
k_flowers
Nov 7, 2001 5:20 pm
Merritt: Back to the text: Revelation mentions orders and death in two contexts: 1:5 - ... first begotten of the dead ... 20:14 - And death and hell were cast...
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Georg S. Adamsen
gsaatmenighe...
Nov 7, 2001 5:26 pm
Dear list members It is not always easy to determine whether prospect subscribers have the appropriate qualifications. I think I made a mistake some time ago,...
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Edgar Krentz
ekrentz2001
Nov 7, 2001 7:41 pm
... Where does not NT ever say that Jesus died spiritually? This is a quite modern, non-NT description. -- ...
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Andrew Dolan
a.t.dolan@...
Nov 14, 2001 10:25 am
I'm soliciting recommendations for secondary or primary sources attesting to the presence of Latin language and literature in Western Asia Minor through the...
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Georg S. Adamsen
gsaatmenighe...
Nov 21, 2001 10:35 am
Dear list members, For those of us who struggle with the millennium issue now and then, a recent article by Dr. Dave Mathewson (who is on this list) is well ...
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Georg S. Adamsen
gsaatmenighe...
Nov 21, 2001 10:46 am
Perhaps I should add that my own article is: Adamsen, Georg Stubkjær. "'De tusinde år': Et essay om den kronologiske udstrækning af 'de tusinde år' i Åb...
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Georg S. Adamsen
gsaatmenighe...
Dec 10, 2001 8:41 am
Greetings! Please, note the question towards the end! Georg S. Adamsen, listowner ... From: Inta Ivanovska [mailto:inta_i@...] Sent: Monday, December...
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Basil Lourie
byzros@...
Dec 10, 2001 5:25 pm
There is no need to replace Schmid's edition, but there is a new (1999) edition of Oecumenius which should be used as an instrumentum studiorum for the whole...
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Inta I
inta_i@...
Dec 10, 2001 5:41 pm
Dear Friends, I am searching for information about the Commentary on Revelation by Andrew of Caesarea. I am looking for: 1) critical text other than in Migne. ...
