Are you suggesting that the Great Whore is relegated only to Rome? Or are you saying that it symbolizes all "Romes" throughout the history of the church? I ...
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charles.larkin@...
Feb 9, 2009 2:40 pm
It may be a mistake to adopt an exclusively Judaeo-centric approach to Revelation in particular and the NT in general. One of the very earliest NT writings was...
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drjenney2
Feb 9, 2009 2:48 pm
I am confident the original meaning of the Revelation was the actual city of Rome. Thus, the "exegetical answer" is Rome itself. The "application answer"...
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KennethGentry@...
Feb 9, 2009 3:19 pm
My understanding of Revelation is that it is a forensic drama presenting God's divorce of his OT wife Israel, and his taking?a new bride, the Church. John...
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George F Somsel
gfsomsel
Feb 9, 2009 11:37 pm
By citing James and 1 Peter I was not attempting to imply that those addressed were Jews. In fact, my intention was quite the opposite. They were NOT...
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George F Somsel
gfsomsel
Feb 9, 2009 11:42 pm
I would disagree that the Whore of Babylon is Rome. It would include Rome, but it would also represent any and all powers which attempt to wield power...
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biblestudy
biblestudyjohn
Feb 10, 2009 1:00 am
I personally think the Great Whore is all the "Romes" of history. It is a system rather than a place and it has been present in all the seven "mountains" or...
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biblestudy
biblestudyjohn
Feb 10, 2009 1:00 am
I agree. Or even of Hebrews. John B ... From: George F Somsel To: revelation-list@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Re:...
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biblestudy
biblestudyjohn
Feb 10, 2009 1:00 am
Hi, I did not mean to imply that one had to be a physical Israelite to enter the New Jerusalem. My point was that the idea of 12 tribes was clearly symbolic....
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Tom Ricks
tom@...
Feb 10, 2009 1:01 am
Agree with your assessment and appreciate your thoughts. (Unfortunately I have heard way too much on the "wild speculation" side of the story!) Tom Dr. Tom...
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Moriah Plastics (Coat...
jasonnola@...
Feb 10, 2009 9:57 am
What would the New Perspective on Paul have to say about the communal salvic nature of the flight from Jerusalem? J Coates ... From:...
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e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Sep 11, 2009 7:30 pm
The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: "And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and...
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drjenney2
Sep 11, 2009 7:57 pm
Seems a bit simplistic to me. It assumes the earth was created a bit over 6000 years ago, which flies in the evidence of the world around us. It is supported...
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e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Sep 12, 2009 3:49 pm
That's the response I sometimes get, but notice I wrote. The point is that the sabbath thousand years is a different day than the one that Satan is held...
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Alan Fuller
e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Sep 12, 2009 3:49 pm
Although the focus in Revelation usually is about what nations or times are represented, there is also a theological side to Revelation, and that can be...
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Wray
WrayZehrung
Sep 12, 2009 3:52 pm
I agree that /eschaton /makes many leaps that are unsubstantiated by scripture and presents more questions than answers. The problem I have with this reply...
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George F Somsel
gfsomsel
Sep 12, 2009 9:58 pm
It does appear in some of the apocalyptic literature that they have a view of a "world week", i.e. that it is to last a week which consists of 7 1,000 yr...
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Tom Ricks
tom@...
Sep 12, 2009 10:33 pm
Jack Collins work, Genesis 1 - 4 A Linguistic, Literary and Theological Commentary has some of the best work I've seen on the early Genesis passages balancing...
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e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Sep 12, 2009 11:37 pm
I'm an amillennialist. I don't think the 6000 years was meant to be literal. For instance, Irenaeus who is usually considered a chiliast, made this statement...
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Georg S. Adamsen
georg_s_adamsen
Sep 21, 2009 12:08 pm
An interesting quote. I, for one, am in need of more information. It is very common to see Irenaeus labelled as a premillennialist (or chiliast). Do you think...
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e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Sep 21, 2009 5:24 pm
I think the whole idea of chiliasm and its relation to the Apocalypse needs careful examination. As you may know, Eusebius identified Papias as the one who...
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George F Somsel
gfsomsel
Sep 21, 2009 8:34 pm
Apparently you didn't read my reply with sufficient care. I in no way implied that the 1000 years mentioned in Re 20 were literal or that you assumed such...
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e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Sep 21, 2009 10:15 pm
Dear George, I apologize. I read your post, and I wasn't including you in "everybody." I was including those who responded to my original post last week....
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Laszlo Hubbes
hubbes.laszlo
Dec 23, 2009 2:17 pm
Dear Colleagues, I wish you all a Blessed Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Hubbes Laszlo -- HUBBES László-Attila, PhD www.apokaliptikum.lap.hu lecturer ...
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e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Apr 8, 2010 2:55 pm
Some have said that the book of Revelation was written by the apostle John. Some still say that. The book of Revelation was attributed to John the apostle by...
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George F Somsel
gfsomsel
Apr 8, 2010 3:15 pm
One huge problem with the position that the apostle John was the author of the Apocalypse is that John the Apostle was no longer alive to write it. It seems...
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Edgar Krentz
edgar_krentz
Apr 8, 2010 3:22 pm
Add what Dionysios of Alexandria said about it in the third century, He was sure John wrote the Gospel--and said that the difference in style, the Apocalypse...
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e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Apr 8, 2010 3:31 pm
Thank you for the information. I didn't know that it was an established fact that John died prior to 70 AD. The references I've looked at didn't reflect...
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e_s_c_h_a_t_o_n
Apr 8, 2010 3:34 pm
Yes, and I've also heard that this can easily be attributed to the apocalyptic style....
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George F Somsel
gfsomsel
Apr 8, 2010 3:50 pm
It isn't precisely an established fact that John the Apostle died prior to 70 ad in the sense that most scholars accept that view since they don't seem to. ...
