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5:08:10 AMzay donedeonly

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Thought becomes chaos which creates knowledge then life which began life and
therein wisdom can be attained. If no wisdom is learned within that life it is
returned to the state of which it started


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Before there was a beginning, that which was not, the plenum/vacuum before
creation, thought!  All of creation is the manifested energy of original
thought. Thought exists only within cycles and vibrations of energy, energy
that cannot be created nor destroyed, only altered. And when greatly
simplified, is manifested in language as the Word. This is the Logos that
makes creation conscious of It Self. The Word is the mirror within which
creation can see a reflection of It's Self, even as it said the we are
created in the image of God. Chaos is fostered by imperfections within the
mirror. The Logos of truth and wisdom corrects these errors through the
universal harmonics and equilibrium of love and One is again attained.

Namaste', ....howard



On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Wmcintyre95 <wmcintyre95@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thought becomes chaos which creates knowledge then life which began life
> and therein wisdom can be attained. If no wisdom is learned within that
> life it is returned to the state of which it started
>
> T-Mobile, America's First Nationwide 4G Network
>
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>
>
>


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John; Those were the words I need to read and process...Thank you for
sharing....Chalie


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, John <lovingandfree@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Organised states, national states, church states
> teach dependence on government
> ...earthly or spiritual government ...
> they teach dependence.
>
> An organised state defines any person
> who crucifies himself on his own idea
> as a Heretic.
> `Heretic' is a Greek word
> which means `I think for myself'.
>
> There's a horrible idea
> that accompanies the state of freedom.
> "How do I know that when I'm free
> the decisions I make will keep me safe?"
>
> The short answer is, they won't.
>
> There's the conundrum:
> do I want to be safe or do I want to be free?
>
> The bummer is, in freedom
> there's no money-back guarantee.
>
> The Logos, through Christ, says "become who you are".
>
> Love
> ***
>
>
>


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BY Etsaman Samoht For Rael

[The following information is a combination of conjecture and hypothesis and can
be considered fiction. Any truths discovered herein are the responsibility of
the reader and not the author. The information is shared to allow others to know
of their potential and the risks involved in trying to achieve it]

I have recently gotten document-able proof with witnesses of amazing
coincidences or powerful spiritual forces at play. One of my personal
experiences recently verified by anecdotal evidence from a neighbor and some
online incidents also witnessed and documented, has led credibility to the fact
I have abilities others do not have. I am specifically discussing psychic and
paranormal abilities. The type of experiences I have had recently are not that
different from what I experienced since i was around 19. The difference is now I
have witnesses and its been documented.

I usually wait about 2 to 5 years before turning my extraordinary experiences
into stories or poems. This is because it takes me that long to comprehend the
experience and place within a meta-narrative that is logically consistent with
known scientific facts and my personal experience.

One of the theories proposed by mystics is that during our dream time, our souls
are not asleep but are doing things in another realm of existence transcendent
of the physical. I had been playing a game online that has a war theme. In my
dream i was literally urged to wake up and log on. Some incredible opportunity
was there online to advance my standings. I logged on and my base had been
destroyed by one of the players in an alliance we were at war with. My base was
so destroyed it was called "bubbled". This meant for 24 hrs no one could attack
my base again until it had completely repaired itself. The game shows a base
that is in "protected state" with an icon of a geodesic dome where the icon for
your "base" had been. Normally any player who has been "bubbled" will not attack
another player during the 24 hour protection period, because to do so
automatically removes protection from retaliation in turn. The individual who
had attacked my base had surrounded it with the most powerful tanks and missile
launchers the game allows a player to produce. Normally after a huge attack like
that the player will tell all of the platoons to return to the safety of the
home base. This player was taking advantage of the fact that it was in the
middle of the night (2am for me) asleep and unable to direct my troops within
the base perimeter. Its true the game will send an email when attacked, and had
i had a device that woke me up, then this would not be a story of a phychic
sense but of a technological one. (Technology mimicking psychic phenomena is
part of the greater aha).

I logged on, the attack had just ended as per the dream and the platoons used in
the attack (6 of them) were of the type that were vulnerable to air attack. I
was able to destroy all of them with my bombers since his platoon had no
anti-air capabilities. He could have included them in the platoon but that would
have minimized the fire power he could use against my base. Perhaps he took this
risk assuming i was asleep and wouldn't wake up in time to counter attack.

Since I was on I went on to attack all of my enemies in the game, destroying
about 12 bases in the process and shooting to the top of the leader board again.

Normally this would not be proof positive to a cynic of psychic phenomena but of
luck. Obviously if you spend a lot of time playing a game you will dream about
it. Anxiety in any number of forms will cause someone to wake up. Obsessive or
addictive behaviors would make one log on instead of going back to sleep. Not
proof at all of psychic behavior.

Ah but in my life, psychic phenomenon always arrive in pairs to make the
improbability quotient ridiculously high. Later that night when this happened,
some jerk in the game got tired of one of the players in the game attacking his
base. He was part of a huge alliance at war with a very small alliance. I
happened to be part of the alliance and the jerk in the game was threatening to
find the young man who was actually doing the attacking and threatened to find
him in real life and kill him. Said this in a public forum and literally scared
me sick. I responded immediately and told the man to say he was joking. he
reiterated he would kill him. started listing public information he gleaned from
Facebook to prove he could find him or have some one hired to find him and kill
him. That was it. I cursed the man. Told him all of heaven and earth will
protect that boy and if he does not rescind his death threat something terrible
would happen to him to make it impossible for him to carry out the threat. he
scoffed and threatened again to kill the boy.

Within 24 hours of that publicly witnessed and documented encounter of an actual
death threat against my friend in the game, the man who made the death threat,
his mother suddenly became deathly ill and was rushed to the hospital. Two days
later he logged on, found the boy, apologized for the death threat and asked us
to remove the curse. We did and we have been praying for his mother since then.

Unfortunately, the young man who I have been training in the ways of the force
was shockingly exposed to the power immortals can wield. I was 19 when I
discovered this power and I have been very careful to not abuse it. i did abuse
it when I was 19. I pray the young man who now knows this power is real will
save it for life or death situations like what he saw it demonstrated in.

to be continued...

I too enjoyed what John shared. ~ Howard

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Charles Southward
<southward420@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> John; Those were the words I need to read and process...Thank you for
> sharing....Chalie
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:50 PM, John lovingandfree@...> wrote:
>
> > **
>
> >
> >
> > Organised states, national states, church states
> > teach dependence on government
> > ...earthly or spiritual government ...
> > they teach dependence.
> >
> > An organised state defines any person
> > who crucifies himself on his own idea
> > as a Heretic.
> > `Heretic' is a Greek word
> > which means `I think for myself'.
> >
> > There's a horrible idea
> > that accompanies the state of freedom.
> > "How do I know that when I'm free
> > the decisions I make will keep me safe?"
> >
> > The short answer is, they won't.
> >
> > There's the conundrum:
> > do I want to be safe or do I want to be free?
> >
> > The bummer is, in freedom
> > there's no money-back guarantee.
> >
> > The Logos, through Christ, says "become who you are".
> >
> > Love
> > ***
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
>
>


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a die-hard 19th century materialist might not
accept the idea that matter is motion

he might believe that matter really is
reducible to primary atomic particles

not at fault, he's simply
the recipient of 19th century education

the power in the atom
was released in the awesome display
witnessed in the middle of the last century

the atom's tremendous focus of energy spin
can be shattered by external forces manipulated
by man who works to make its force obey his appetite

that atom's spin is what gives it
the appearance of gross matter

when a cycle wheel is not spinning
you can put your finger through it; spin it fast enough
and it will repel your finger as a solid would
... in the cosmic sense
the spokes themselves are also energy spins

ultimately all is reducible to motion

knockin' on heaven's door?

I conclude that everything I see is motion
... wonderful modalities of energy

I've willed to incarnate into a body,
and surely my work isn't over until I fulfil
the honour of what I've willed myself into;
the assembly of forces that I might
just have had a passing fancy for.

hehehe, careful what you have a fancy for

it can lead you into all sorts of trouble
... that's ultimately resolved in love

ancestral forces of the body seek eternal fulfilment
and I am the soul, self-precipitated, in their mellow drama

the thinking process
runs down through lack of interest
during a good meditation

after riddling the stove, trashing the ash and getting the coal in,
I get 15 minutes in the morning prior to going to work

this morning I sacrificed it for half a dozen salutes to the sun
and several luxurious spine torsion exercises

I imagine a psyche teacher:
"keeps in touch but could do better"
:)

where am I to place the focus of my heart

where the treasure is, there is the heart also
the treasure is now

Love
***

From 1209-1249 one of the worst genocides in history was conducted against the
Cathars, a heretical sect in southern France. Pope Innocent III, promising gold
and indulgences (the remission of punishment due for sins) in exchange for the
blood of the Cathars, sent 30,000 crusaders into France to massacre the Cathars
and their supporters. The Cathars were hunted, tortured, burned at the stake and
savagely murdered by the Church's hired killers. Estimates place the total
number of Cathars and sympathizers murdered between 300,000 and 1,000,000 men,
women and children. Throughout this bloodbath, an amazing phenomenon was
witnessed. The Cathars did not express fear, anger or pain, but only bliss,
despite the most horrendous atrocities committed against them. What were they
on?

According to William Henry in Mary Magdalene: The Illuminator, it was a
psychoactive substance produced by the brain—the Cathars had learned the
techniques necessary to produce it from the secret teachings of Jesus. It was
called Christos (anointing oil) by the Essenes, who passed on their secrets to
Jesus from Moses, who had obtained them in Egypt from descendants of the
banished Atonite priests of Akhenaton. These teachings involve the power of the
sun and the power of the spoken word and constitute what I call "the mysteries
of the sun." They were part of the Egyptian, Babylonian and Greek mysteries, and
the Gnostic teachings of the ealy Christians and secret societies.

CONTINUE READING HERE
http://sunlightenment.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/secret_mysteries_of_the_sun\
_revealed.pdf

Dear Robert,
would you rather be a sheep or a goat?

Love,
John
***

--- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <rkmorgan2008@...> wrote:
>
> Psalm 100:3-5 (NIV)                          3        Know that the LORD
> is God. It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, the
> sheep of his pasture.                         4        Enter his gates
> with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and
> praise his name.                         5        For the LORD is good
> and his love endures forever; his faithfulness continues through all
> generations.
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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Princeton, NJ, USA, a group of devotee scientists from Sri Chaitanya
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There are two different spiritual paths that can help you achieve your
goals.  Kabbalah and Kriya Yoga

There is no christian, Jewish or Islamic church/religion that can teach
what you want to know.  All current mainstream religions are dead and
useless.

I have a synthesis of these two spiritual paths on my website....  let me
give you several links that can aid in your self study of who and what you
are, who the creator is and how to have an intimate relationship with
him....

The secret to achieving Christ Consciousness is not what you believe but
what you do and don't do....

http://reluctant-messenger.com/the-practice.htm
http://reluctant-messenger.com/Lost-Doctrines-Christianity.htm

hope this helps
Chester aka Stephen


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Gaberhall <gaberhall@...> wrote:

> Hello Chester,
>
> My name is Gabriel. I was born and raised jw. For the longest time I have
> had issues with certain things I was taught however after reading your page
> I found things...answers that made seance to questions I have asked growing
> up. These questions basically lead me to disappointment and frustration as
> I was growing up with the religion that claims to be the truth. I have a
> question for you though out of everything you teach. Where did you learn
> and is there a way I can learn and be taught the way you have? Is there a
> church or something where I can go to learn these answers and pass them
> down to my son who is only 4 months old? My biggest yearning next to
> knowing my creator and a relationship with him is to teach my son that he
> had the privilege of getting to know him also.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read,
>
> Gabriel.
>
> Sent from my iPhone


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Peace  John,

Is the goat you speak of an alagoric Baphomet?

Love ,BR


--- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "John" <lovingandfree@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Robert,
> would you rather be a sheep or a goat?
>
> Love,
> John
> ***
>
> --- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" rkmorgan2008@
wrote:
> >
> > Psalm 100:3-5 (NIV) 3 Know that the LORD
> > is God. It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, the
> > sheep of his pasture. 4 Enter his gates
> > with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and
> > praise his name. 5 For the LORD is good
> > and his love endures forever; his faithfulness continues through all
> > generations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Awesome share. I just have to read "The Book of Chester". ~ trickster

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Stephen Boston <bargainchess@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> There are two different spiritual paths that can help you achieve your
> goals. Kabbalah and Kriya Yoga
>
> There is no christian, Jewish or Islamic church/religion that can teach
> what you want to know. All current mainstream religions are dead and
> useless.
>
> I have a synthesis of these two spiritual paths on my website.... let me
> give you several links that can aid in your self study of who and what you
> are, who the creator is and how to have an intimate relationship with
> him....
>
> The secret to achieving Christ Consciousness is not what you believe but
> what you do and don't do....
>
> http://reluctant-messenger.com/the-practice.htm
> http://reluctant-messenger.com/Lost-Doctrines-Christianity.htm
>
> hope this helps
> Chester aka Stephen
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Gaberhall <gaberhall@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello Chester,
> >
> > My name is Gabriel. I was born and raised jw. For the longest time I have
> > had issues with certain things I was taught however after reading your
> page
> > I found things...answers that made seance to questions I have asked
> growing
> > up. These questions basically lead me to disappointment and frustration
> as
> > I was growing up with the religion that claims to be the truth. I have a
> > question for you though out of everything you teach. Where did you learn
> > and is there a way I can learn and be taught the way you have? Is there a
> > church or something where I can go to learn these answers and pass them
> > down to my son who is only 4 months old? My biggest yearning next to
> > knowing my creator and a relationship with him is to teach my son that he
> > had the privilege of getting to know him also.
> >
> > Thank you for taking the time to read,
> >
> > Gabriel.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Namaste', ....howard

http://www.howardnylander.com/ blog/ <http://www.howardnylander.com/blog/>
http://www.youtube.com/user/uziyah


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Merry Meet, dear BR,

When the archbishop of Canterbury
one time went to see the pope
they greeted each other, they kissed each other,
and they talk at their ecumenical get together,
very quietly the archbishop and the pope agreed,
"You keep your sheep, I'll keep mine".

And it's because at this stage of evolution
human beings don't quite know what to believe.
They need a focus of attention,
an objective presence to which they can refer.
The need for that objective presence is the justification
of the continuance of the authorities of all organised religions
... because people need objectivity.
But that is not the ultimate goal.

The ultimate goal is stated very, very
clearly in the Bible, in that religious handbook
for the Jews and the Christians and the Moslems.

Inside man, from his food, there are
two kinds of impulses which can be termed sheep and goats.

There is the impulse to belong to the cosmic Logos,
the impulse to belong to the human race,
to the earth, to the solar system, to the sidereal system
...  in other words the impulse to belong
to something bigger than oneself.
And all these impulses are called sheep.

And it is those sheep that Christ has come to call.
He says, come out all ye gentle folk,
who were busy watching only, and fell in by mistake.

And the others inside that are still determined
to have a go at individual incandescence are called, go-ats.
Go-atic wisdom is very, very ancient.
It says, "I do not want to be called out prematurely
I want to come out when I'm good and ready, and not before."

When Christ says, there are sheep of other flock,
he's talking about some kind of ideas that are not
merely the ones that want to belong to this Absolute Father,
but who want to belong to particular conceptual groups.
There are some beings inside the earth, yet to come out,
and they don't want to come out except under their own terms.
And if you try to provoke them out with propaganda
or with kindness or whatever it is,
when you try to provoke them
they begin to become very, very angry.

We know that the goats in general
are not herded in the plains like sheep;
they jump on the mountain tops.
When it says the separating of
the sheep and the goats in the Revelation ,
it means separating those independent spirits
that are always trying to do it on their own,
from the massed spirits, called sheep.

And where the goats have to go
and where the sheep have to go
is not necessarily a bad thing.

Where the goats go ... that's where they like to go.
It is called hell to sheep,
because the sheep like to get together.

But the goats like to be independent.
This is why Jacob Boehme says that the angels
call the good, good ... but the devils call the bad, good.

Jesus talked of good shepherds and bad shepherds.
How many sheep have the discrimination to know
which shepherds are keeping sheep for the sake of sheep,
which for the sake of their wool
and which for the sake of their flesh?
There are shepherds who keep sheep for their wool,
and the wool is money to buy more sheep
for more wool for more money
for more sheep for more wool, to infinity.

Unless we can guarantee the good faith
and true intent and capability of the shepherds,
we'd better learn to shepherd ourselves.

Self-government is the only really safe government,
and it comes from the Christos within.
This is the significance of Baphomet.

Love,
John
***


--- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "brbrad25" <brbrad25@...> wrote:
>
>
> Peace  John,
>
> Is the goat you speak of an alagoric Baphomet?
>
> Love ,BR
>
>
> --- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "John" <lovingandfree@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Robert,
> > would you rather be a sheep or a goat?
> >
> > Love,
> > John
> > ***
> >
> > --- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" rkmorgan2008@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Psalm 100:3-5 (NIV) 3 Know that the LORD
> > > is God. It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, the
> > > sheep of his pasture. 4 Enter his gates
> > > with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and
> > > praise his name. 5 For the LORD is good
> > > and his love endures forever; his faithfulness continues through all
> > > generations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Thanks,....very cool.


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 5:04 PM, John <lovingandfree@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Merry Meet, dear BR,
>
> When the archbishop of Canterbury
> one time went to see the pope
> they greeted each other, they kissed each other,
> and they talk at their ecumenical get together,
> very quietly the archbishop and the pope agreed,
> "You keep your sheep, I'll keep mine".
>
> And it's because at this stage of evolution
> human beings don't quite know what to believe.
> They need a focus of attention,
> an objective presence to which they can refer.
> The need for that objective presence is the justification
> of the continuance of the authorities of all organised religions
> ... because people need objectivity.
> But that is not the ultimate goal.
>
> The ultimate goal is stated very, very
> clearly in the Bible, in that religious handbook
> for the Jews and the Christians and the Moslems.
>
> Inside man, from his food, there are
> two kinds of impulses which can be termed sheep and goats.
>
> There is the impulse to belong to the cosmic Logos,
> the impulse to belong to the human race,
> to the earth, to the solar system, to the sidereal system
> ... in other words the impulse to belong
> to something bigger than oneself.
> And all these impulses are called sheep.
>
> And it is those sheep that Christ has come to call.
> He says, come out all ye gentle folk,
> who were busy watching only, and fell in by mistake.
>
> And the others inside that are still determined
> to have a go at individual incandescence are called, go-ats.
> Go-atic wisdom is very, very ancient.
> It says, "I do not want to be called out prematurely
> I want to come out when I'm good and ready, and not before."
>
> When Christ says, there are sheep of other flock,
> he's talking about some kind of ideas that are not
> merely the ones that want to belong to this Absolute Father,
> but who want to belong to particular conceptual groups.
> There are some beings inside the earth, yet to come out,
> and they don't want to come out except under their own terms.
> And if you try to provoke them out with propaganda
> or with kindness or whatever it is,
> when you try to provoke them
> they begin to become very, very angry.
>
> We know that the goats in general
> are not herded in the plains like sheep;
> they jump on the mountain tops.
> When it says the separating of
> the sheep and the goats in the Revelation ,
> it means separating those independent spirits
> that are always trying to do it on their own,
> from the massed spirits, called sheep.
>
> And where the goats have to go
> and where the sheep have to go
> is not necessarily a bad thing.
>
> Where the goats go ... that's where they like to go.
> It is called hell to sheep,
> because the sheep like to get together.
>
> But the goats like to be independent.
> This is why Jacob Boehme says that the angels
> call the good, good ... but the devils call the bad, good.
>
> Jesus talked of good shepherds and bad shepherds.
> How many sheep have the discrimination to know
> which shepherds are keeping sheep for the sake of sheep,
> which for the sake of their wool
> and which for the sake of their flesh?
> There are shepherds who keep sheep for their wool,
> and the wool is money to buy more sheep
> for more wool for more money
> for more sheep for more wool, to infinity.
>
> Unless we can guarantee the good faith
> and true intent and capability of the shepherds,
> we'd better learn to shepherd ourselves.
>
> Self-government is the only really safe government,
> and it comes from the Christos within.
> This is the significance of Baphomet.
>
> Love,
> John
> ***
>
> --- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "brbrad25" <brbrad25@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Peace John,
> >
> > Is the goat you speak of an alagoric Baphomet?
> >
> > Love ,BR
> >
> >
> > --- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "John" <lovingandfree@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Robert,
> > > would you rather be a sheep or a goat?
> > >
> > > Love,
> > > John
> > > ***
> > >
> > > --- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" rkmorgan2008@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Psalm 100:3-5 (NIV) 3 Know that the LORD
> > > > is God. It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, the
> > > > sheep of his pasture. 4 Enter his gates
> > > > with thanksgiving and his courts with praise; give thanks to him and
> > > > praise his name. 5 For the LORD is good
> > > > and his love endures forever; his faithfulness continues through all
> > > > generations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>


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this is why i am not your teacher, you wont believe anything i say unless
YOU ARE READY FOR IT...

(O,o)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Stephen Boston <bargainchess@...>
Date: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Thank you
To: Gaberhall <gaberhall@...>


you have a lot to unlearn.... the JW really have corrupted your view of the
reality of the spirit... its not my job to convince anyone of anything...
everything i have posted to my website i have proven to myself, if you find
any of it offensive it means you aren't ready for it... your are focused on
BELIEFS... beliefs mean nothing, its what you DO AND DON'T DO

if you believe murder is wrong but you kill me what good does it do me?
if you believe there is nothing wrong with murder but you never kill
anyone, which is better??

may GOD speed you on your learning,, you will need it to undo the
brainwashing you have endured up to now

-w-(o,O)-w-


On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Gaberhall <gaberhall@...> wrote:

> Chester,
>
> With all respect...correct me if i am wrong with my statements. I looked
> at your links and have read thoroughly along with other research. Your
> master who you quote on your website talks of Jesus and a resurrection of
> heaven and paradise earth along with reading from a Christian bible. These
> teachings CAN be found in Christianity even though there are many different
> sects. And I can admit many are corrupted with pegan and false teachings.
> However in the midst if the darkness comes the light and the light will
> always shine through and the truth be revealed to those that yearn for it.
> It seems to me that you have drifted away from what was taught to you if
> your story is true. As as Kabbalah... demonic possession and yoga, you
> begin to see these things brought into the religions of western society
> today and corruptness. Which is corrupting Christ teachings of his father
> Yahweh. When you talked of Matthew 22:23 about sadducees  saying there is
> no reincarnation (the word they use is resurrection) keep reading and pay
> attention to Jesus response to what he was questioned after that. Read
> verses 23-30 of Matthew 22. We are children of him and created IN HIS image
> NOT EQUAL to him. We were created to learn about him, love him and praise
> him and worship him not to bear false whiteness and take in serpent spirit
> deities.
>
> Maggie continue to bless you on your path.
>
> Gabriel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Stephen Boston <bargainchess@...> wrote:
>
> There are two different spiritual paths that can help you achieve your
> goals.  Kabbalah and Kriya Yoga
>
> There is no christian, Jewish or Islamic church/religion that can teach
> what you want to know.  All current mainstream religions are dead and
> useless.
>
> I have a synthesis of these two spiritual paths on my website....  let me
> give you several links that can aid in your self study of who and what you
> are, who the creator is and how to have an intimate relationship with
> him....
>
> The secret to achieving Christ Consciousness is not what you believe but
> what you do and don't do....
>
> http://reluctant-messenger.com/the-practice.htm
> http://reluctant-messenger.com/Lost-Doctrines-Christianity.htm
>
> hope this helps
> Chester aka Stephen
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Gaberhall <gaberhall@...> wrote:
>
>> Hello Chester,
>>
>> My name is Gabriel. I was born and raised jw. For the longest time I have
>> had issues with certain things I was taught however after reading your page
>> I found things...answers that made seance to questions I have asked growing
>> up. These questions basically lead me to disappointment and frustration as
>> I was growing up with the religion that claims to be the truth. I have a
>> question for you though out of everything you teach. Where did you learn
>> and is there a way I can learn and be taught the way you have? Is there a
>> church or something where I can go to learn these answers and pass them
>> down to my son who is only 4 months old? My biggest yearning next to
>> knowing my creator and a relationship with him is to teach my son that he
>> had the privilege of getting to know him also.
>>
>> Thank you for taking the time to read,
>>
>> Gabriel.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>


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Stephen,
Everyone has to be there own teacher. Even if they don't see eye to eye with
your words, it's everybodies own truth that really matters....to them.

Love and Peace...NAMASTE


________________________________
From: Stephen Boston <bargainchess@...>
To: reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: [reluctant-messenger] Fwd: Thank you

 
this is why i am not your teacher, you wont believe anything i say unless
YOU ARE READY FOR IT...

(O,o)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Stephen Boston <mailto:bargainchess%40gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Thank you
To: Gaberhall <mailto:gaberhall%40gmail.com>

you have a lot to unlearn.... the JW really have corrupted your view of the
reality of the spirit... its not my job to convince anyone of anything...
everything i have posted to my website i have proven to myself, if you find
any of it offensive it means you aren't ready for it... your are focused on
BELIEFS... beliefs mean nothing, its what you DO AND DON'T DO

if you believe murder is wrong but you kill me what good does it do me?
if you believe there is nothing wrong with murder but you never kill
anyone, which is better??

may GOD speed you on your learning,, you will need it to undo the
brainwashing you have endured up to now

-w-(o,O)-w-

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Gaberhall <mailto:gaberhall%40gmail.com> wrote:

> Chester,
>
> With all respect...correct me if i am wrong with my statements. I looked
> at your links and have read thoroughly along with other research. Your
> master who you quote on your website talks of Jesus and a resurrection of
> heaven and paradise earth along with reading from a Christian bible. These
> teachings CAN be found in Christianity even though there are many different
> sects. And I can admit many are corrupted with pegan and false teachings.
> However in the midst if the darkness comes the light and the light will
> always shine through and the truth be revealed to those that yearn for it.
> It seems to me that you have drifted away from what was taught to you if
> your story is true. As as Kabbalah... demonic possession and yoga, you
> begin to see these things brought into the religions of western society
> today and corruptness. Which is corrupting Christ teachings of his father
> Yahweh. When you talked of Matthew 22:23 about sadducees saying there is
> no reincarnation (the word they use is resurrection) keep reading and pay
> attention to Jesus response to what he was questioned after that. Read
> verses 23-30 of Matthew 22. We are children of him and created IN HIS image
> NOT EQUAL to him. We were created to learn about him, love him and praise
> him and worship him not to bear false whiteness and take in serpent spirit
> deities.
>
> Maggie continue to bless you on your path.
>
> Gabriel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 9, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Stephen Boston <mailto:bargainchess%40gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> There are two different spiritual paths that can help you achieve your
> goals. Kabbalah and Kriya Yoga
>
> There is no christian, Jewish or Islamic church/religion that can teach
> what you want to know. All current mainstream religions are dead and
> useless.
>
> I have a synthesis of these two spiritual paths on my website.... let me
> give you several links that can aid in your self study of who and what you
> are, who the creator is and how to have an intimate relationship with
> him....
>
> The secret to achieving Christ Consciousness is not what you believe but
> what you do and don't do....
>
> http://reluctant-messenger.com/the-practice.htm
> http://reluctant-messenger.com/Lost-Doctrines-Christianity.htm
>
> hope this helps
> Chester aka Stephen
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Gaberhall <mailto:gaberhall%40gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Hello Chester,
>>
>> My name is Gabriel. I was born and raised jw. For the longest time I have
>> had issues with certain things I was taught however after reading your page
>> I found things...answers that made seance to questions I have asked growing
>> up. These questions basically lead me to disappointment and frustration as
>> I was growing up with the religion that claims to be the truth. I have a
>> question for you though out of everything you teach. Where did you learn
>> and is there a way I can learn and be taught the way you have? Is there a
>> church or something where I can go to learn these answers and pass them
>> down to my son who is only 4 months old? My biggest yearning next to
>> knowing my creator and a relationship with him is to teach my son that he
>> had the privilege of getting to know him also.
>>
>> Thank you for taking the time to read,
>>
>> Gabriel.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>

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John  14:26-27 (NIV)  26        But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom
the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will
remind you of everything I have said to you.                         27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the
world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.





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Romans:

The poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge regarded Romans as "the most profound book in
existence," and the commentator Godet called it "the cathedral of the Christian
faith." Because of its majestic declaration of the divine plan of salvation,
Martin Luther wrote: "This epistle is the chief port of the New Testament and
the very purest gospel... lt can never be read or pondered too much, and the
more it is dealt with the more precious it becomes, and the better it tastes."
The four Gospels present the words and works of the Lord Jesus, but Romans, "the
Gospel According to Paul," delves more into the significance of His life. The
theology of Romans is balanced by practical exhortation, because Paul sees the
believer's position as the basis for his practice. The theme of righteousness
that runs through the book is reflected in the following outline: The revelation
of the righteousness of God (l -8); the vindication of the righteousness of God
(9-11); and the application of the righteousness  of God (12-1 6).

The Revelation  of the Righteousness of God (l-8): The prologue (1 :1-17)
consists of o salutation (1:1-7) a statement  of Paul's desire to minister in
Rome (1 :8-15), and the theme of the book (1 :1 6-1 7). This two-verse theme is
the basic text of Romans because it combines the three crucial concepts of
salvation, righteousness, and faith. Salvation:  a believer is saved from the
penalty of sin (post), the power of sin (present), and the presence of sin
(future); and he is saved to a new position, a new life and on entrance into
God's heavenly presence. Righteousness: this speaks of perfect conformity to on
unchanging standard; the sinner who trusts in Christ receives the righteousness
of Christ in his position before God. Faith: as the instrumentality for
salvation and a gracious gift of God, faith includes on acknowledgement of need
and a trust in Christ alone for salvation. in 1:18-3:20,  Paul builds a solid
case for the condemnation  of all people  under the holy God. Paul's perceptive 
diagnosis of the human condition shows  that Gentiles and Jews seek to justify
themselves  by using relative  standards, not realizing that God's required
standard  is nothing short of perfection. Paul knows that the bod news
(condemnation) must be understood before the good news (justification) can be
appreciated.  The Gentiles are without  excuse because  they have suppressed the
knowledge of God they received  from nature and their conscience (1 :1  8-32;
their seven-step  regression is traced in I :21 -3.l  ). The Jews are also under
the condemnation of God, and Paul overcomes every objection they could raise to
this conclusion (2:1-3:8). God judges according to truth (2:2-5), works
(2:6-10), and impartially (2:11-16), and both the moral and religious Jews {oil
to meet His standard. Paul concludes his discussion of the reasons for the guilt
of the Jews by reminding them they do not obey the Low (2:17 -29) nor believe
the Oracles of God (3: I -8). The divine verdict (3:9-20) is universal: "all
have sinned and fall shod of the glory of God" (3:23).

The section on justification (3:2.1-5:2.1) centers on and develops the theme of
God's provision for man's need. The first eleven verses are the core of the book
(3:21-31), revealing that in Christ, God is both Judge and Savior. Three crucial
words ore found in these verses: (1) Justification:  this judicial term means
that the believer in Christ is declared righteous by the holy God. The Lord is
not unjust when He justifies sinners because He bases this pronouncement upon
the death of Christ on their behalf. (2) Redemption: through His death, Christ
hos paid the ransom price of sin by purchasing believers out of slavery to sin
and setting them free from the penalty of sin. (3) Propitiation: the blood of
Christ has satisfied the demands of the righteous God who cannot overlook sin.
God in Christ does not give the believer his due, because His holy wrath has
been appeased by the sacrifice of His sinless Son. Justification is by grace
(the source of salvation; 3:21-24), by blood (the basis of salvation; 3:25- 26),
and by faith (the condition of salvation; 3:27-31).

Chapter 4 illustrates the principle of justification by faith apart from works
in the life of Abraham. Justification issues in reconciliation between God and
man (5: l-l l).  Reconciliation speaks of the change in a person's state of
alienation from and hostility toward God because of the substitutionary work of
Jesus Christ on his behalf. lt is brought  about by the love of God which is
causeless (5:6), measureless  (5:7-8),  and ceaseless (5:9-11). In 5:.l2-21 Paul
contrasts the two Adams and the opposite results of their two acts. The
disobedience  of the first Adam made  him the head of all who are under sin, but
the obedience  of the second  Adam (Christ) made  Him the head of the race of
redeemed humanity.  The sin of the first Adam was imputed to us (placed on our
account), leading to alienation. But the righteousness of the Second Adam is
imputed to all who trust in Him, leading to reconciliation.


Chapter 6 describes the believer's relationship to sin: in his position he is
dead to the principle of sin (6:1 -14) and the practice of sin (6:15-23). The
reality of identification with Christ is the basis for the sanctified Christian
life. The believer must know his position in Christ, reckon it as true, and
present himself to God as dead to sin but olive to God in Christ Jesus. Paul
views devotion as a response to spiritual truth, not as a condition of it. After
describing the Christian's emancipation from the Low (7), Paul looks at the work
of the Holy Spirit who indwells and empowers every believer (8: 1 - 17). The
next major topic after condemnation, justification, and sanctification is
glorification (8: 18-39). All Christians can anticipate a time when they will be
perfectly conformed to Jesus Christ not only in their position (present) but
also in their practice (the future resurrection).


The Vindication of the Righteousness of God (9-l l):  lt appears that God has
rejected His people, Israel, but it is really Israel who has rejected her
Messiah. Paul deals with the problem of Israel in the plan of God in three ways:
(1) God is the sovereign Lord who is responsible to no one for His work of
election and rejection (9). He elected Israel in The past, but because of her
disbelief, the nation has been set aside in the present. (2) Although God is
sovereign, humans are responsible for the consequences of their decisions (10),
and this is true of their decision to accept or reject Jesus.  (3) Israelites,
the "natural branches" (11:21) of God's olive tree, have been cut off and
Gentiles have been added (l I).  But God's rejection of Israel is only partial
(there is a spiritual "remnant" that has trusted in Christ) and temporary (they
will be grafted back; 11:23-27).  Paul appropriately quotes frequently from the
Old Testament in this section, and he emphasizes that God will be faithful to
His covenant promises and restore Israel. The Application of the Righteousness
of God (l2- l6):  Paul recognizes that behavior must be built upon belief, and
this is why the practical exhortations of this epistle appear after his teaching
on the believer's position in Christ. The salvation described in the first
eleven chapters should transform a Christian's life in relation to God (12:1-2),
society (12:3-21), higher powers (13:1-7), and one's neighbors (.13:8-14). In
chapters 14-15 the apostle discusses the whole concept of Christian liberty,
noting its principles (.I4) and its practice (15:1-.l3). A changed life is not a
condition for salvation, but it should be the natural outcome of saving faith.
The epistle closes with Paul's statement of his plans (15:14-33), a long series
of personal greetings (16:1-16), and on admonition followed by a doxology (16:17
-27).

Praise be to the rest!

Lisa Yu
yuportland@...

1  Peter 2:8-10 (NIV) 8        and, "A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the
message--which is also what they were destined for.
9        But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who
called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
10        Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God;
once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.





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Hi All,

It's good to be back.

John, I greatly enjoyed this.
--- In reluctant-messenger@yahoogroups.com, "John" <lovingandfree@...> wrote:
>
> a die-hard 19th century materialist might not
> accept the idea that matter is motion
>
> he might believe that matter really is
> reducible to primary atomic particles
>
> not at fault, he's simply
> the recipient of 19th century education
>
> the power in the atom
> was released in the awesome display
> witnessed in the middle of the last century
>
> the atom's tremendous focus of energy spin
> can be shattered by external forces manipulated
> by man who works to make its force obey his appetite
>
> that atom's spin is what gives it
> the appearance of gross matter
>
> when a cycle wheel is not spinning
> you can put your finger through it; spin it fast enough
> and it will repel your finger as a solid would
> ... in the cosmic sense
> the spokes themselves are also energy spins
>
> ultimately all is reducible to motion
>
> knockin' on heaven's door?
>
> I conclude that everything I see is motion
> ... wonderful modalities of energy
>
> I've willed to incarnate into a body,
> and surely my work isn't over until I fulfil
> the honour of what I've willed myself into;
> the assembly of forces that I might
> just have had a passing fancy for.
>
> hehehe, careful what you have a fancy for
>
> it can lead you into all sorts of trouble
> ... that's ultimately resolved in love
>
> ancestral forces of the body seek eternal fulfilment
> and I am the soul, self-precipitated, in their mellow drama
>
> the thinking process
> runs down through lack of interest
> during a good meditation
>
> after riddling the stove, trashing the ash and getting the coal in,
> I get 15 minutes in the morning prior to going to work
>
> this morning I sacrificed it for half a dozen salutes to the sun
> and several luxurious spine torsion exercises
>
> I imagine a psyche teacher:
> "keeps in touch but could do better"
> :)
>
> where am I to place the focus of my heart
>
> where the treasure is, there is the heart also
> the treasure is now
>
> Love
> ***
>

Good to have you back!  Loved John's thoughts as well. :-) Namaste',
....howard

www.howardnylander.com/blog
www.youtube.com/user/uziyah



On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM, tutelar_char <traci.penman@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> It's good to be back.
>
>
>



--
Namaste', ....howard

http://www.howardnylander.com/ blog/ <http://www.howardnylander.com/blog/>
http://www.youtube.com/user/uziyah


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Matthew 6:9-15 (NIV)  9        "This, then, is how you should pray: "
'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,                         10
your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11        Give us today our daily bread.                         12
Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil
one. '                         14        For if you forgive men when
they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15        But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not
forgive your sins





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I love this prayer. A Fundamental Christian, within our family, asked why
my wife and I refer to God as Father. I replied, "because Jesus said so".
This is keeping with the Spirit and Wisdom of the Hermetica and ancient
Pagan wisdom of the Pharaohs who refereed to God as Father. The Logos was
thought to be the Spirit of the Mind of God, ...Father. Most of later
Christianity was built on the foundation of ancient Pagan wisdom. The pre
Constantine Early Church of Yeshua was built on the knowledge and wisdom of
ancient Pagan myths, allegories, legends, ...stories.

The only way to free your mind from the bondage of Literalist teachings and
thoughts of the Universal Church in Rome is to first to recognize that
there is a vast difference between what today's Christian Church teaches
and the actual living the scriptures of the true Early Christian Church.
Once you allow yourself to actually experience the difference, the pray for
strength, courage and wisdom as you find yourself open to other
possibilities. This is not for cowards who that lack the courage to follow
a more sacred path led by Spirit, for the would rather remain in the 'outer
courtyard' of being "in the world" rather than have the desire to seek the
'inner courtyard' of the 'kingdom within', not of this world. What I share
is not for everyone. I understand. Those of the 'outer courtyard simply
lack the courage, for ever what reason, to go within, to the inner
courtyard of the kingdom within, ...as Yeshua taught. Not doing so renders
the power of God as vain.

"Give us today our daily bread."

This thought was echoed by Yeshua in noting the lilies in the field and the
birds, how they don't toil in the world without, yet Father provides. The
ancients of the Early Christian Church understood cycles and vibrations
that provides for the greatest good for all. Chaos, pain and suffering
happens when we take the name of God in vain and choose to live in the
outer courtyard of the world, rather than not being 'of the world' of the
inner courtyard of the kingdom within. (Luke 19:20-21)

"Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. For if you
forgive men when
they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if
you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

This thought again echoes the teaching of Yeshua as he taught that we
should not resist the evil doer. (Matthew 5:39)  Solders of the Christian
Fundamentalist Universal Church will be quick to point out that Yeshua also
told his disciples to go into the city, sell all their goods and buy swards
totally blind to the reason Yeshua told them to do so. He did so as to
point out the folly of living by the sward as he explained to Peter that God
could guard him, and each disciple, with a *legion of angels." *(Matthew
26:53)

These thoughts of Yeshua also reflect the Law of Karma and unconditional
love. Anything less but takes the 'name' reputation, the witness,
attributes and manifestations of God in vain.

Just sharing my thoughts. Take of them which resonate well within you, and
perhaps we can share our thoughts and that which causes conflict within you
in the Spirit and Om of unconditional love.

~ Howard









"Hallowed be Thy name".

'Hallowed' meaning sanctified, holy, venerated. This understanding is taken
the the Third Commandment of the Hebrew scriptures,  "Thou shall not take
the name of thy God in vain."

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Robert <rkmorgan2008@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Matthew 6:9-15 (NIV) 9 "This, then, is how you should pray: "
> 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10
> your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
> 11 Give us today our daily bread. 12
> Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
> 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil
> one. ' 14 For if you forgive men when
> they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
> 15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not
> forgive your sins
>
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>
>
>



--
Namaste', ....howard

http://www.howardnylander.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/uziyah


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--- On Fri, 15/3/13, Debashish c <debashishc@...> wrote:

From: Debashish c <debashishc@...>
Subject: [Sadhu Sanga] Please put this for wide circulation through gmail ...
To: "online_sadhu_sanga@googlegroups.com" <online_sadhu_sanga@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, 15 March, 2013, 1:49 PM

Dear Dr Nanda, 

Kindly circulate this through the institute-gmail so that the interested persons
may attend the same ..
Thanks and regards,
dc//

================================================================================\
============================

Two talks on “Ontological Distinctions between Mechanical, Chemical and
Biological Systems”

Topic 1:
Sorry Darwin: Chemistry Never Made the Transition to Biology
(Refer for the full paper of the talk:: http://scienceandscientist.org/biology)
By: Bhakti Niskama Shanta, Ph.D.
(Resume:
  http://scienceandscientist.org/biology/bns.html)

Topic 2:
Information, Knowledge and Life in 21st Century
(Refer for the full paper of the talk::
http://scienceandscientist.org/papers/BVMuni_Information.pdf)
By: Bhakti Vijnana Muni, Ph.D.
(Resume: http://scienceandscientist.org/papers/BVMuni.pdf)

The two speakers are from Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, Siliguri
(mahaprabhu.net/scsmath.siliguri). Under the guidance of Sripad Bhakti Madhava
Puri Maharaja, Ph.D. (Director, Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture
and Science, 20 Nassau St., #116 Princeton, NJ 08542, USA: bviscs.org) they are
regularly travelling to various leading universities and colleges to deliver
talks on these fundamental topics. A brief introductory article “Is Life
Fundamental?” is attached.

Day & Date: TUESDAY, the 19th
  March 2013
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Start Time: 5:00 pm
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Venue: GARGI / MAITRI Auditorium, IIT Kharagpur
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All interested are cordially invited to attend the same …

By Prof N R Mandal

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A BRIEF OF THE TALKS
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Is Life Fundamental?
By
Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D.
Director, Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science
20 Nassau St., #116 Princeton, NJ 08542, USA
www.bviscs.org, editors@...

One of the greatest unsolved questions in science is: what is life? Is life
  derivative – a product of physical and chemical composition, or is it a
primitive – an underived, irreducible foundation of reality? This is a crucial
point that the famous German philosopher Hegel made central to his scientific
system of knowledge. As he wrote: “Everything turns on understanding the
Absolute as subject, as much as we may now understand it to be substance.”
This is similar to the principle we find enunciated in the ancient tradition of
Vedanta, athatho brahma jijnasa.

Some are now beginning to realize that the scientific search for truth has led
us to the same conclusion. The remarkable progress that has been made in the
scientific understanding of the material world, and the study of organic life at
the most fundamental cellular level has forced scientists to look at what they
never thought could be an essential part of scientific knowledge – life,
consciousness, the scientist himself. Yet 20th century quantum
  mechanics has inextricably woven consciousness into whatever measurement we can
make of the material world.  The many world interpretation claims to avoid this
solution, but it presents a picture of reality that surreal beyond anything
science could ever deal with, by positing an ad hoc infinity of worlds at every
point of determination, such that everything is possible and thus nothing is
explained. In other words, it is not science. Therefore the role of
consciousness in physics has taken a firm position, and this is something that
has been embraced quite boldly by the pioneers in this field. Max Planck, the
father of quantum physics, emphasized the principle quite clearly,

“I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from
consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk
about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.” --
The Observer (25 January
  1931)

Schrodinger, who formulated the wave principle of quantum mechanics, said,
“Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is
absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else.”

Yet, not only in the sub-microscopic quantum world but in the telescopic macro
cosmic realm, the original admonitions of Isaac Newton were ignored and
forgotten in the enthusiasm of Laplace, and those who came after him, to embrace
a deterministic physics in which all other considerations were completely
banished as unnecessary hypotheses. This arrogant bluster came to an abrupt halt
just when, in the last decades of the 20th century, the tumultuous progress of
scientific discovery seemed to dominate all other fields of knowledge. Chaos
reigned over all. And it was the outcome of a purely deterministic conception of
the universe. Determinism had undermined itself, because it lost sight of its
purely
  idealistic origin and nature. The universe was as unpredictable as the weather!
Non-linearity was one problem; the measurement problem took on a new form in the
natural limitations of the observers who made the measurements; and the rounding
errors that are inherent to the numerical methods we use for computation were
another issue. Little assumptions here and there we thought we could safely
ignore, proved to be catastrophic in the long run, even toppling the neat
mechanistic picture we had constructed of our own solar system.

The linearity of equations that describe natural phenomena is inapplicable to
real systems of more than two bodies. Even a three body problem resists precise
calculation. Can a living cell that contains 300 trillion atoms (visible only
under a microscope) and 300 billion stars in our galaxy stuffed in space form a
deterministic system?

The massive accumulation of the biochemical details of living organisms over the
  past few decades has brought this question into a new light. Never before was
it possible to examine the chemistry of a living cell in the way we now have
available to us. The remarkable finding is that there is nothing random about
life. It is now known that the cell maintains its own life by the strict,
hierarchical, regulatory control of its own functions, without which it would
rapidly perish. The living cell exhibits and deploys a finely tuned selective
behavior with respect to its own internal monitoring as well as in its relation
to the environment in which it lives. Chemical systems react, but biological
systems behave in ways that can only be described as cognitive. The field of
cognitive biology has arisen in this context, a concatenation of two words that
would never have seemed possible in the purely molecular reductionist view of
19th and 20th century biology. Yet cognition as well as information have become
integrated with biology as never
  before, since the Cartesian division of the cognitive and extensive features of
reality that marked the beginning of the modern philosophy of scientific
naturalism.

So science has come full circle – from the original infatuation with the
conscious agents of the ancients, to the outward gaze into the world that forms
the content of consciousness, and now seeking to understand the effective
existence of consciousness in that world. India is the place where consciousness
has been studied in minute detail for centuries before the recent discovery of
its importance by science. Now is the time to combine that ancient wisdom with
modern science and lead the scientific revolution that is taking place in that
direction. To convince the theologians of the importance of science is as
difficult a task as teaching the scientists the importance of theology. Yet
these are not non-overlapping magesteria, as Gould would like us to think. They
are
  interpenetrating and essential, because life is as much subject as substance.

Therefore, we have our sannyasis coming to the universities to teach what is
happening at the frontiers of science. And this is really scientific. Your
cooperation in this endeavor will lead to true benefit for all. So we ask you to
listen, learn and apply your scientific minds to developing this science of
spiritual biology, spiritual cosmology, and spiritual culture and science in
general. For that reason we have established the Bhakti Vedanta Institute of
Spiritual Culture and Science, by the inspiration and teachings of the great
acharyas and scientists who have cultivated this knowledge before us. We are
only insignificant persons in this effort, and we pray that you may make your
own contribution to this great work, and become a fortunate recipient of the
mercy and blessings of the magnanimous inaugurator of this revolution, Sri
Krishna Chaitanya
  Mahaprabhu.








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"Our Father"

Beyond the ordinary earthly level of fatherhood is the real source of
fatherhood: The Fatherhood of God, the Supreme Creator of all beings, who loves
all His creatures with an unlimited love. He loves with a love not based on some
merit, or existing good quality in His creatures, as if they had gained merit by
their own unaided efforts. The love of God, the Father of all creatures, is
utterly the true essential quality of His own eternal Being. Love is God. God is
love itself, the infinite power of eternity that works forever for the
well-being of His creatures. This eternal love, which is God Himself as He wills
Himself unchangingly to be, lacks nothing, needs nothing, and desires nothing
for Himself. Yet He wills to create, and wills the good of His creatures.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"who art in heaven"

Heaven means the condition of perfectly balanced power. It is a state of being
in which all the energies of that being are held in perfect, easy, harmonious
interplay. It is a state of spiritual bliss beyond all possible discordances.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Hallowed be thy name."

Hallowed = Holy.
Holiness is wholeness is healthiness.
The bringing together into harmonious interrelation
… the whole of being.

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"Thy kingdom come."


Men look for the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of perfection, saying `Lo! here,
lo! there'. But the kingdom of heaven is within. Somewhere in the depths of our
soul we can feel the possibility of the elimination of all errors, the washing
away of all false ideas and wrong motives. In our depths we can feel the hidden
seed of perfection. Let this hidden perfection manifest.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Thy will be done, in earth as it is in heaven."


Will is spiritual power. It is sometimes pleasant to let ourselves drift or to
let ourselves be moved by something other than our own will; but at such moments
we are not working at our highest level. To get the best out of ourselves we
must will to do so. We cannot just drift to our best. Drifting and dreaming go
together. High performance requires us to be awake. At our highest level, our
will is to do the will of He who sent us, thereby becoming on earth what we are
in heaven.
Becoming who we really are. Let this hidden perfection manifest.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Give us this day our daily bread."

The bubble and ferment of the rising of the bread symbolises the positive and
loving, in-forming experience of daily life. The world is Love-starved. Jesus
tells how to give the mysterious Bread of Heaven to those who will receive it,
the Bread "not-of-time" that one eats with the "Water of eternal life", which,
tasting, one shall not thirst again. Water symbolises plasticity of substance,
for water adapts itself to the shape of any container into which it is poured,
flexible and adaptable.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us"

Forgiveness does not mean a careless disregard for the results of human actions.
We are to forgive and remember. We're then less likely to commit the same error
again. In remembering, we are not to bear grudges or harbour resentments … these
inhibit the free flow of the energies which make our lives possible.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Lead us not into temptation"


Temp-tation means things and events and relationships that are presented to us
in Time. We are not tempted in Eternity. To be tempted is to be stimulated
through the five senses by things in Time. Time presents us with a series or
sequence of stimuli one after the other. Time splits reality into little bits,
each bit being a moment or instant. The fact that Time gives us only bits of
reality is the reason why temptation — Time-presentation — is so dangerous for
us. Time gives us reality in bits. Any bit of Time in isolation is deprived of
its total context. If we see a thing out of context, we cannot understand it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Deliver us from evil."

Evil is the opposite of Live. Evil is bittyness, reduction to parts, subjection
to disintegration, to corruption and to death to the understanding of who we
really are. We want more life, more abundant life.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"For thine is the kingdom, and the power and the glory."


A perfectly tuned instrument sings out in perfect harmony when played. This
fine-tunedness is Glory, the singing out of the instrument, just as the cockerel
sings out clearly and fully at the dawn of the new day ... the root of the word
glory can be traced to the French `gallos' or cockerel. When we become who,
essentially, we are, undistorted by external forces, we act truly, and in acting
truly, act gloriously. Let the hidden perfection manifest. In acting gloriously,
we affirm that the source of this glory is the same source from which we spring.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"For ever and ever, Amen."


For all time, affirmed in all parts of the being, so be it.

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> Matthew 6:9-15 (NIV)  9        "This, then, is how you should pray: "
> 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,                         10
> your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
> 11        Give us today our daily bread.                         12
> Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
> 13        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil
> one. '                         14        For if you forgive men when
> they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
> 15        But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not
> forgive your sins
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