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Re: Meissner Curtain Burner

Thanks all for the help on this project!

I have uploaded before and after photos as well as my working schematic.
The little radio will be going to the AWA Conference at the end of August where
kit radios are the theme this year. We hope to have kit radio represented from
all of the eras.

Conclusions:

This late 1930's $4.95 entry level Regen kit does not require A or B batteries
and provides modest performance. On local stations with a longwire, it drives a
loudspeaker when connected to a small transformer and an eficient speaker. It
promises multiband performance but it is doubtful that Meissner supplied any
other plug in coils, than the BCB coil provided in the kit. Using 6.3V 300 mA
tubes in a series string on 110 or 220 VAC is decidedly silly and somewhat
dangerous!

The hum is almost intolerable on headphones but not heard on speaker. It has a
nasty habit of blasting you with loud AC hum for 30 seconds after you turn the
unit OFF. Check out the schematic to see why I am getting all that hum...

On a spin and tune with 2000 Ohm headphones, I was able to easily pick up 18 BCB
stations all across the band at 11 AM today. 3 locals were strong enough for
room volume on a speaker.

Mike WU2D




Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:17 pm

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... That sounds about right. Its not AC after the diode although its 'pulsating' at 60 cycles because of no filtering. The ole .707 number usually works for...
Bill M
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Jul 12, 2009
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Thanks all for the help on this project! I have uploaded before and after photos as well as my working schematic. The little radio will be going to the AWA...
Mike
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Jul 12, 2009
2:17 pm

... It looks like the B+ to the detector is not getting full benefit of the filtering. What about moving R3 to the C9/R7 junction? Also...many of these things...
Bill M
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Jul 12, 2009
3:45 pm

Thanks Bill, Yes great catch - that schematic has an error in the B+ section. The radio is actually wired as shown in the updated schematic. I uploaded REV2!...
Mike
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Jul 12, 2009
5:23 pm

... Really? Meissner was a major player in the coil business (at least in later years), so it seems reasonable that they would offer other coils. – John...
John Rehwinkel
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Jul 21, 2009
3:42 pm

Hi John, There are a few people who have these little receivers; The style of coil form is quite odd with crimped contacts on the outside of the form and a...
Mike
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Jul 21, 2009
8:35 pm

I find I have forgotten all my Calculus, (argh!) so not going back to quite to basics, we find: For a familiarity check, for a full-wave rectifier Erms =...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 12, 2009
5:42 pm

Re: Hum I don't remember a serious hum problem, merely a wee bit when not regenerating. Your description sounds like a sneak circuit/connection. I've lost...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 12, 2009
7:08 pm

About hum: The power plug needs clarification. The wide blade is the neutral connection, at or near ground potential, and the narrow blade is the hot ...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 14, 2009
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Mike, interesting report on the Meissner. Now re the other waveband coils, Meissner only supplied the MW BC coils with any regen kit. I just now looked at a...
Hue Miller
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Jul 12, 2009
9:16 pm

Oh - looking at the schematic, I see where the hum is coming from: the 1/2 wave heater supply is modulating the electron stream from the cathode. I was always...
Hue Miller
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Jul 12, 2009
9:44 pm

There should be no connection from the heater supply and the receiver circuitry. The only way there can be an influence is resistive leakage between the...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 12, 2009
10:18 pm

More to the point, the thermal lag in the cathode is much too long to be affected by an 8 millisecond gap between current pulses, and could not affect...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 12, 2009
10:39 pm

Richard, look in the Photos section under WU2D photos. The schematic is in there, not in files section. The filament circuit cannot be 100% isolated from the...
Hue Miller
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Jul 12, 2009
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Ah, yes. The only thing I notice is that when the power switch is open, there is ac continuity to ground through the C4 ground bus to chassis capacitor, which...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 13, 2009
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... the ... This may not be the case with the Meissner, but tapping down the inductor like that can improve selectivity at the expense of sensitivity. It may...
Jim Kearman
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Jul 13, 2009
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If the capacitor were across the whole coil and the tube tapped down on the coil that would be true, but as drawn the top of the winding is not active, and may...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 13, 2009
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ac/dc receivers do not have to have inherent hum. I think it's usually common mode currents in the steel chassis. I have an RMCA AR-8506-B ac/dc maritime...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 13, 2009
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Wow, Thanks guys. Lots of feedback on the hum! The amount of background hum and the ridiculous hum on turning the set off is troublesome. I actually found a...
Mike
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Jul 13, 2009
12:54 am

Dunno if this link has been posted before. The Excel sheet towards the end takes some of the pain out of the math. ...
Bill M
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Jul 13, 2009
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What you want is a 250 vac motor RUN capacitor. Motor starting capacitors are often back to back electrolytic capacitors, and won't last in continuous...
Richard Brunner
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Jul 15, 2009
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Richard, I wouldn't dismiss the electron stream modulation quite out of hand. The P-P "AC modulation" is pretty high. I don't offhand know how to calculate the...
Hue Miller
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Jul 12, 2009
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I'll bet you it was  a capacitor non-polarized, approximately 8uf at 250V. The exact value would be 7.8709198813056379821958456973294uf but 8uf ought to be...
Randy Floberg
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Jul 25, 2009
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30 watts drop over a 6 foot resistance cord wouldn't burn anything. Possibly the bad reputation these things had was maybe a propensity to break? I don't know....
Hue Miller
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Jul 26, 2009
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Hi Hue What you are saying is only partly correct. The 'heat tape' is fine providing it is attached to something that will absorb the heat it produces. If it...
Bob
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Jul 27, 2009
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Well, I will have to take your word for it, and maybe ask my brother, who has more experience with it. The 2 or 4 winters I used it, I had it on plastic pipe,...
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