jarueira <jorgearueira@...> wrote:

Programming my motorola MTX-838 (trunk ht) with my universal rib
(max232) I got the error message "CANNOT AQUIRE BUSY LINE ERROR".
I have no busy line (pin 6 of Motorola rib) in my programmer).
How to supply this information to the software ?
Any help?

You have to use the motorola original RIB which is the RLN4008 series. The max232 supports only the + bus signal and a ground where in MTX 838 you need 4 different signal including ground. I may help you on dimensions for interface (structure and lay-out)to the radio and the connections since I have also an MTX 838 radio with cables and RIB RLN4008D for programming and testing but unfortunately don't have the software.

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I know it's bad form to followup ones own reply, but I think my
question may have been lost in the replies...can someone please tell
me exactly how to "tell the radio it's a 2w model"?  I figure this is
done in the RSS when you create a personality, is this correct?  If
so, what are the procedures for doing this?

Would it go something like this?:

1.  Read in original personality info from the radio and save it
somewhere safe.

2.  Create a new personality with a 2w model number (for example,
instead of H43QX########, it might be H33QX########, right?)

3.  Program channel information, as desired.

4.  Write personality to radio.

If the radio gets screwed up by using a different model number, can
you recover the original personality saved from its original
configuration or is that a no-go?

Thanks again for your time!  You are really helping me out a lot and
I do appreciate it!

JC

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Subject: Re: [radio-prog@yhgrps] kenwood th 79 a prograiming info


> thanks i have a manual i guess i need to go look in the attic for it
>
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> >
> > wvgoldhunter wrote:
> >
> > > the unit i have has been modified and would like to use it for
> the
> > > local fire vol dept that i belong to.they tx and receive on ther
> > > same freq. but the plcode 173.8 how do i set that up.my regular
> > > radio kenwood tk 280 was stollen when my car was broken into
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----- Original Message -----

From: dave

To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 00:50

Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] 800 mhz type II spectra problem

Hello to the list,

 

I have a 800mhz spectra that supports type I and II trunking. It is an older model (sorry, I don't have the model number handy) that supports 10 personalities and 10 TG's per personality.

 

This radio does not support zones, so when I programmed it, this is what I did. There are three depts that I wish to monitor on this radio. All are on their own seperate trunk system and the systems are not shared in any way.

 

Dept one has 17 TG's that I wish to monitor so I set up 2 personalities that were identical and then programmed the first 10 TG's in the first personality and then the remaining 7 TG's in the 2nd personality.

 

Dept two has 13 TG's I wish to monitor so I did the same thing as above except I used personality 3 and 4 for this system. Oh yes, this dept uses a smartzone system and for the 4 control channels, I entered the 2 control channels for the two nearest towers that I would usually monitor.

 

Dept three is a small system which has just 5 freqs in the system and I am only interested in 4 TG's in the system so this system only uses one personality.

 

So now is the problem, I am getting Fail 001 from the front display. Looking that code up I find that it means the PLL is not locking up. But this code is only sporatic. It does not show up all the time. In addition, when I am getting the code, I check the RSSI and it is usually lower than 40.

 

I have been told that the fail 001 code is probably a codeplug problem and not a hardware problem. So I am wondering if I have misprogrammed the radio in some way. Or is the three different depts all on the same radio messing up the radio?

 

Can anyone help me....

 

Any suggestions?

 

I tend to think that my antenna connector on the radio is badd somewhere between the mini uhf connector and the board somewhere. Has anyone ever had a problem like that with these radios. Or is it actually a codeplug programming problem?

 

Help please.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

Dave Dean
Denver, CO
K0PWO

 

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Has anyone heard if Kenwood has or plans to come out with revisions
on their DOS Operating system software to work on Window operating
systems?

With older/slower computers getting harder to find these days I think
its about time they start making this software to work on Windows
Operating Systems.

If anything they should get started on Revising the DOS stuff, their
getting way behind.

Im keeping my eyes open for KPG-44D in Windows Base.


Thanks

Doug

----- Original Message -----

From: mrbones007au

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Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 6:05 PM

Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] MOTOROLA ASTRO SPECTRA

hello all,can somebody help me out here im needing astro spectra
software all versions would be great(from old versions to newer
versions)also have XTS3000 version 9(latest version)to trade if
anyone is interested.thanks with kind regards.laurie



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Has anyone had any experience with the TK790 mobile to be able to
form an opinion yet about this radio in its performance and any
features it has you like and any problems you have experienced with
it?

Im looking at buying one of these radio brand new from a local dealer
and am looking for some input on this model radio before I buy it.

Im looking into buying the remote mount , full featured control head,
45 watt version.

Any advice, help, or info would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks much

Doug

In the RSS, select the model/power leved from those offered. Your question
states it-It's a change in the number pair-The newer software is almost
fool-proof--I do not know if the older versions are as
error-detecting.Additional questions?? E-mail me direct & I will try to help.
Lovr those Sabers--Blitz.

WHICH CABLE SET WORKS FOR THE VERTEX VX510 SERIES RADIOS? I TRIED A
COUPLE DIFFERENT CABLES AND ALL IT WOULD DO WAS ACT LIKE IT WAS
READING AND  THEN LOCK UP..

THANKS,
RICH


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SQUIGS10@...

I was wondering if anybody could give me a price on genuine Kenwood
programming cables for the 270, 280, and 290 radios. Thanks

Chris

does anyone know if the older tk-270 can be programmed to set off
pagers?

Thanks
Chris

I believe its the same as the VX 300.
But your problem sounds more like the computer is too fast.


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Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 10:35 AM
Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] VERTEX VX 510 QUESTION


> WHICH CABLE SET WORKS FOR THE VERTEX VX510 SERIES RADIOS? I TRIED A
> COUPLE DIFFERENT CABLES AND ALL IT WOULD DO WAS ACT LIKE IT WAS
> READING AND  THEN LOCK UP..
>
> THANKS,
> RICH
>
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The TK-790 (VHF) and TK-890 (UHF) are Kenwood's top-of-the-line radios for public safety users.  My local PD uses the TK-890 radio in all vehicles, and it seems to be holding up well.  In my opinion, however, the more "features" a radio has, the more likely is the possibility that a user will inadvertently invoke a feature that may impair communication. On more than one occasion,  I have ridden with  officers whose radios were constantly having squelch tails.  It turned out that the MON button had been bumped, which placed the radio in carrier squelch mode instead of the normal PL decode mode.  On other occasions, a radio has been placed in talkaround mode, again due to an accidental button press, and used for hours with no one understanding why that car's signal was so noisy!  But, for a ham who wants all of this flexibility and is intimately familiarwith the feature controls, such radios can be a dream to use.

One caution:  Don't plan on using a Kenwood radio with a Motorola repeater, or vice versa, unless you don't care that the reverse-burst formats are incompatible.

DCPAQ2 wrote:

 Has anyone had any experience with the TK790 mobile to be able to
form an opinion yet about this radio in its performance and any
features it has you like and any problems you have experienced with
it?

I've been reading the other postings about problems with programming
the Kenwood TK 830 and I'm about ready to throw my radio out the
window. I finally got the software to work in DOS on my computer and
it will read the radio but it will not write to the radio. It keeps
coming up with the communications error. Anyone with ant sugestions?
Thanks, Jim.

Thanks for the info Eric.

All the extra features dont bother me, actually I like alot of "Bells
and Whistles" in a two way radio.

It sounds like this is a fairly good radio.

Ive had a few people say good things.

Anyone else have anything to comment about on this radio?

Thanks

Doug
---------------------------------------------------------------------

--- In radio-programming@y..., Eric Lemmon <wb6fly@a...> wrote:
> Doug,
>
> The TK-790 (VHF) and TK-890 (UHF) are Kenwood's top-of-the-line
radios
> for public safety users.  My local PD uses the TK-890 radio in all
> vehicles, and it seems to be holding up well.  In my opinion,
however,
> the more "features" a radio has, the more likely is the possibility
that
> a user will inadvertently invoke a feature that may impair
> communication. On more than one occasion,  I have ridden with
officers
> whose radios were constantly having squelch tails.  It turned out
that
> the MON button had been bumped, which placed the radio in carrier
> squelch mode instead of the normal PL decode mode.  On other
occasions,
> a radio has been placed in talkaround mode, again due to an
accidental
> button press, and used for hours with no one understanding why that
> car's signal was so noisy!  But, for a ham who wants all of this
> flexibility and is intimately familiarwith the feature controls,
such
> radios can be a dream to use.
>
> One caution:  Don't plan on using a Kenwood radio with a Motorola
> repeater, or vice versa, unless you don't care that the reverse-
burst
> formats are incompatible.
>
> DCPAQ2 wrote:
>
> >  Has anyone had any experience with the TK790 mobile to be able to
> > form an opinion yet about this radio in its performance and any
> > features it has you like and any problems you have experienced
with
> > it?

--- In radio-programming@y..., Eric Lemmon <wb6fly@a...> wrote:

> One caution:  Don't plan on using a Kenwood radio with a Motorola
> repeater, or vice versa, unless you don't care that the
>reverse-burst formats are incompatible.

The formats are close enough, BUT the reverse burst phase on the
Kenwood radios does not always mute the Motorolas.
There is a software option in most later Motorola, HT1000, Quantar,
MTR2000, radios to eliminate or reduce the "squelch crash". There is
modifications for some older repeaters and base stations also. Contact
me if you need further specific info.

We used to like the squelch crash, so they would know we were not
using CB.

April
Motorola tech.

Dont know if you were directing this to me or not.....


But I wont be using repeaters. Just conventional mode and dtmf and
single tones , and scanning channels, thats all.

Doug
--------------------------------------------------------------------

--- In radio-programming@y..., "apjp30" <apjp30@j...> wrote:
> --- In radio-programming@y..., Eric Lemmon <wb6fly@a...> wrote:
>
> > One caution:  Don't plan on using a Kenwood radio with a Motorola
> > repeater, or vice versa, unless you don't care that the
> >reverse-burst formats are incompatible.
>
> The formats are close enough, BUT the reverse burst phase on the
> Kenwood radios does not always mute the Motorolas.
> There is a software option in most later Motorola, HT1000, Quantar,
> MTR2000, radios to eliminate or reduce the "squelch crash". There
is
> modifications for some older repeaters and base stations also.
Contact
> me if you need further specific info.
>
> We used to like the squelch crash, so they would know we were not
> using CB.
>
> April
> Motorola tech.

I stand by my statement that the reverse-burst formats are incompatible.  TIA/EIA-603 defines two formats for reverse burst:: 120 degree phase shift (used by Motorola) and 180 degree phase shift (used by Kenwood and most aftermarket encoders and decoders).  I have many radios in the field, and the incompatibility was very obvious and very annoying.  In fact, I changed the entire fleet over to digital squelch from tone squelch, simply because there is only one format for DPL, and both Kenwood and Motorola radios can be used.

For obvious reasons, the engineering staffs at the Motorola and Kenwood design groups are loath to admit that there is actually a difference.  Kenwood has a flash upgrade to reprogram the reverse-burst in their high-tier radios so that they will encode and decode in the Motorola format, but you have to send in the radio- and I will not do that.

Ironically,  older radios that use vibrating reeds and RCL circuitry to decode the CTCSS tone are rather forgiving of slight phase differences in the reverse burst.  Late-model radios that encode and decode with digital signal processing inside the CPU can be made so picky that a reverse-burst phase error of just 5 or 10 degrees is enough to miss the target.  Since the phase difference between Motorola and Kenwood reverse burst is 60 degrees, it's a cinch that one brand will not work with the other.  One Motorola engineer I spoke with finally admitted- on condition of anonimity- that it was a marketing issue more than a technical one, to discourage large-volume customers from trying to mix radio brands.

On a lighter note, I have met a few hams who don't care for a radio that mutes quietly, without a hint of a squelch tail- they LOVE to hear that reassuring "squelch crash!"  In movie and TV scenes involving radios, the squelch tail seems to be a mandatory audio effect- even in police cars.  However, REAL cops do not want to hear anything but voice coming out of the speaker.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

apjp30 wrote:

 --- In radio-programming@y..., Eric Lemmon <wb6fly@a...> wrote:

> One caution:  Don't plan on using a Kenwood radio with a Motorola
> repeater, or vice versa, unless you don't care that the
>reverse-burst formats are incompatible.

The formats are close enough, BUT the reverse burst phase on the
Kenwood radios does not always mute the Motorolas.
There is a software option in most later Motorola, HT1000, Quantar,
MTR2000, radios to eliminate or reduce the "squelch crash". There is
modifications for some older repeaters and base stations also. Contact
me if you need further specific info.

We used to like the squelch crash, so they would know we were not
using CB.

April
Motorola tech.
 

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All frequencys are in the 155 mhz range
thanks
lance


-- In radio-programming@y..., "Gary "JR"" <service@t...> wrote:
> What frequency are you trying to use in the radio??
> If you try to take it too far out of band, the BPF and/or the VCO
will need to be readjusted.
>
> Gary "JR" Sutton
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> On 5/31/2002 at 5:39 AM rfburnscomm wrote:
> I was able to field program my 240d and the TX works fine, but the
RX
> dose not.  The RX was fine before programing.  Dose anyone have any
> suggestions?
> thanks
> lance
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Hi!
Please help me find cables/software needed to program
my Standard GX2000V or any other info i need to know.
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Is there anyone who has and would be willing to send me a copy of
Acrobat 5.0?

This is the software that creates PDF files.

Acrobat Reader is the decoder program for PDF files.

It would be greatly appreciated if there is someone out there who can
help me out with this.

Thanks

Doug

I've been reading the other postings about problems with programming
the Kenwood TK 830 and I'm about ready to throw my radio out the
window. I finally got the software to work in DOS on my computer and
it will read the radio but it will not write to the radio. It keeps
coming up with the communications error. Anyone with ant sugestions?
Thanks, Jim.


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I haven't studied the RIB circuitry in depth, but a quick look at the
schematic of the authentic Motorola RIB and associated cables seems
to indicate that a true RIB operates in one of two modes: differntial
or "single-ended" (non-differential).  Tying the BUS- line to the
BIAS line puts the RIB in single-ended mode.  Most of the Motorola
radios out there have a single-ended data bus for the programming
interface, with the notable exceptions being SPECTRA and Syntor
X9000.  (My guess is that most of the mobiles with remote heads will
require a differential RIB.)  The MAX232 device is single-ended and
aftermarket RIBs based on it are most likely single-ended-only
adaptors.  This means that while most folks have no problems with a
MAX232 level converter, people with SPECTRAs will have problems...

Sandy Ganz' ("geocities") RIB on the other hand is NOT based on the
MAX232 and does provide a true differential data bus if necessary,
just like the Real Thing...  I would guess that a SPECTRA would have
no problem with it.

--zawada


--- In radio-programming@y..., Doug Bade <dbade@c...> wrote:
> Four people I know including myself with 4 different aftermarket
>  ribs (max232 based) all had trouble programming Spectra's in
> specific. A factory version of rib worked each time to solve. It
> seems like a drive issue to us.. Doug
>
>
>
> At 10:40 PM 5/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >I bought the board from geocities,built thr rib using
> >salvaged components and mail order. It works great.
> >
> >Bigs_feet
> >--- volfirefighteroh <sdvega@v...> wrote:
> > > I have been given many horror stories about using
> > > RIB's and
> > > programming cables that are not manufactured, sold,
> > > and approved by
> > > Motorola to program their radios. However, I can't
> > > see paying around
> > > $300 for their approved units. I refuse to believe
> > > that these units,
> > > manufactured by some Korean making 25 cents an hour,
> > > are that much
> > > better than those by made by hobbiests in the good
> > > old USA. What have
> > > been your experiences, if any, with these units. By
> > > the way, I will
> > > be programming a M1225. Here are two examples that I
> > > have found:
> > >
> > >
> >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/9510/RibPage.html
> > >
> > >
> >http://users.osagevalley.net/hahnenem/index.htm
l/moteconoribpage.html

go to zdnet.com click on most popular downloads. click on adobe
acrobat reader 5.0  this is a free download. open this to save to
your computer.  Hal








- In radio-programming@y..., "DCPAQ2" <dcpaq2@y...> wrote:
> Is there anyone who has and would be willing to send me a copy of
> Acrobat 5.0?
>
> This is the software that creates PDF files.
>
> Acrobat Reader is the decoder program for PDF files.
>
> It would be greatly appreciated if there is someone out there who
can
> help me out with this.
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug

Hi.  I have an 8ch vhf ge pcs radio here.  I want to program at least
5 channels with the same frequencies using tones.  On some of the
channels I want a tone type noise such as a beep to come over the
radio when you key the radio before you talk into the radio.  Does
anyone know how to do this?  Any help is greatly apprciated.  Thanks
ahead of time.

Sincerely,
Dana

email me at: danascommunicationequipment@...
website: http://www.danascommunicationequipment.20m.com

I'm looking for a service monitor .... something low
cost ( no $1000 on up units ) something like a Cushman
CE5 , CE-6 or something similar.

Units with difficulties / problems might be of
interest.. please accurately describe the problem when
replying.

The unit I'm looking for dosent need to be in perfect
physical condition ... scuffs scrapes maybe some minor
dings are OK ... just as long as its works or is
repairable.... but mainly low cost.

Frequency range I need to cover - 50Mhz through 928mhz

Anyone have something they would like to get rid of?

E-Mail me at cworksmidwest@... with what you
have and your price.

Thanks

Dave
N9NLU
Kewaskum, WI 53040

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Does anyone have diagrams of the pinout on a TK790 VHF?

Im looking for them on the audio plug on the transceiver unit where
you plug the speaker in at.

I could also use the accessory plug pins outs too if you have them.

Thanks in advance

Doug

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To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Need Help

Does anyone have diagrams of the pinout on a TK790 VHF?

Im looking for them on the audio plug on the transceiver unit where
you plug the speaker in at.

I could also use the accessory plug pins outs too if you have them.

Thanks in advance

Doug


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