Jim, That did the trick nicely!

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Paul.

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, Jim Smith
<jimsmith_eds@...> wrote:
>
> The radio requires two points on one of the boards to be shorted as
well to put it in Programming mode.
>
> Open it up by removing the 2 screws and carefully squeeze the front
panel on the sides to release to two parts.
>
> Again carefully place the two parts next to each other. There is a
ribbon cable connecting the two boards.
>
> on one of the boards you will find 3 contacts in the upper right
corner  2 across one down
>
> Short the the two down : together as you power up and it will go
into prorgraming mode
>
> I don't know where the Scan and pwr on comes from unless someone
ran a jumper from one of the contacts of the scan button to do the
shorting.
> (I did this with mine but I used the Monitor button on the side)
>
> Let me know how it works out for you.  We may be able to swap
programming info on the radios.
>
> Jim S.
>
>
> To: radio-programming@...: p_dodds@...: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:33:07
+0000Subject: Re: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Kenwood TK-208
>
>
>
>
> Hey Kev, It's a genuine Kenwood TK-208, I bought it new - gosh it
must be nearly 10 years ago now!Paul.--- In radio-
programming@yahoogroups.com, Kevcat <kevcat@> wrote:>> p_dodds
wrote:> > Hi All,> > > > I have the TK-208/308 Simple Programming
sheet but can't work out how > > to get the radio into programming
mode (Scan + Power On as per the > > sheet doesn't do the trick).> >
> > Would appreciate any tips on how to get the radio into
programming mode.> > > > Thanks,> > > > Paul.> > is the radio a REAL
Kenwood 208/308 or one of the cheap Chinese copies> I have the cheap
type and no buttons do what they are labelled to do> and I can't
program it either> > > Kev>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

June 30, 2008
 
Dear Sir:
 
I have a Compaq Intel P-200 Laptop with USB Port and it Don't work with Windows
so I reformat the Hard Drive with Dos 6.22 and Windows 3.1 and it Worked with
the CE44 for Dos,
 
Now I have a HP  Pavilion dv 1000 with XP Windows and it Has the CE44 for
Windows and I use the USB Port and it worked with the Belkin DB9/Com 1 but I
tryed The Radio Shack Job and it is to fast to work with the USB/DB9 to Com-1
Adaper
 
73,s
 
KA6AXN

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, usrbjf <bjlf@...> wrote:

From: usrbjf <bjlf@...>
Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Vertex CE44 dos with xp laptop HELP
To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 6:33 PM






If it can be done, How can I use an XP laptop with USB ports to program
the VX180's with the DOS software?

I was using a compaq laptop with db9 and it worked.
Company upgraded lap's and now I can not get it to work.

Thanks


















[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

DOS has no support for USB and only recognizes COM:1-COM:4. You may be
able to run the ce44 dos within a window of XP but I certainly do NOT
recommend it. Best solution is to get the CE44 windows version
software. Thats it done...it will work in windows.

John L.
Sparta, NJ

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "usrbjf" <bjlf@...> wrote:
>
> If it can be done, How can I use an XP laptop with USB ports to program
> the VX180's with the DOS software?
>
> I was using a compaq laptop with db9 and it worked.
> Company upgraded lap's and now I can not get it to work.
>
> Thanks
>

Sorry, One other thing... I am guessing your cable is DE-9 serial. You
can get a USB to serial adapter OR PCMCIA to serial adapter OR a USB
programming cable (there are some after market ones). I have had many
problems with USB to serial adapters. Can get some to work sometimes,
on some computers. I had more than one working fine and just stopped.
If you search the message archives you will see a lot of messages
regarding USB to serial. Some people get them to work fine. I don't
seem to have that kind of luck.



--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john9912@...> wrote:
>
> DOS has no support for USB and only recognizes COM:1-COM:4. You may be
> able to run the ce44 dos within a window of XP but I certainly do NOT
> recommend it. Best solution is to get the CE44 windows version
> software. Thats it done...it will work in windows.
>
> John L.
> Sparta, NJ
>
> --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "usrbjf" <bjlf@> wrote:
> >
> > If it can be done, How can I use an XP laptop with USB ports to
program
> > the VX180's with the DOS software?
> >
> > I was using a compaq laptop with db9 and it worked.
> > Company upgraded lap's and now I can not get it to work.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>

I have a CP200 portable which comes up with error Version not
supported. I do not have the most recent CPS. I bought a subscription
but I guess it must have expired since it is no longer in MOL. Other
stuff that I bought earlier is still available. I don't get it.
Anybody able to help? I am guessing 5.07 is the most recent version??
Email me direct.

Thanks
John

Oops, I take it back...the Model # is in the .MDF file.
Still no luck..any ideas?

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon" <wb6fly@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm guessing that you have the wrong RSS.  Every model number shown
in the
> SM50.MDF file should have "DGC" in it, else it is not an SM50 file.
> "M33DGC20C2__" is definitely in the MDF list for the SM50/SM120 RSS.
  Most
> likely, someone has hacked the RSS you have, before you got it.  The
"20"
> that follows the "DGC" means that the radio was made for standard
20K0F3E
> bandwidth; if it were "00" it means that the radio was made for narrow
> 11K0F3E bandwidth.  That's really one of the few shortcomings of the
SM50
> and SM120 models- the bandwidth is not programmable.
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:03 PM
> To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Sorry I need help
>
> --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eric Lemmon" <wb6fly@>
> wrote:
> >
> Model M33DGC20C2AA
> RSS R03.00.00
>
> I get what you are saying now, I looked in the .MDF file and it did
> not have the "C2" Models at all.
> This is the RSS widely available on the internet, ant suggestions
> where I can find the correct one?
>
> I am so impressed with the members of this group and how people help!
>
> > That error message simply means that the model number of your radio
> does not
> > appear exactly matching one of the model numbers in the "SM50.MDF"
file.
> > MDF stands for "Model Definition File." You must use HVN9007 RSS to
> program
> > your radio, but if you have a very old version (the current version is
> > R05.00.00), the suffix may not match, causing the error.
> >
> > What is the complete model number of your radio, and what version of
> HVN9007
> > RSS do you have?
> >
> > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of n
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:03 PM
> > To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Sorry I need help
> >
> > Ok, you all probably see this as a novice question (it is)but here
> > goes (thanks in advance for the replies)
> >
> > I am trying to program My Motorola SM120 (for the first time) I am
> > using
> > an old laptop Celeron 600 I think and I get this error
> >
> > "Model Definition File not Found"
> > \
> > Can someone please point me in the direction of clear progamming
> > instructions for this situation?
> > Or do I need an older computer or a missing file? etc...
> >
>

Sorry, One other thing... I am guessing your cable is DE-9 serial. You
can get a USB to serial adapter OR PCMCIA to serial adapter OR a USB
programming cable (there are some after market ones). I have had many
problems with USB to serial adapters. Can get some to work sometimes,
on some computers. I had more than one working fine and just stopped.
If you search the message archives you will see a lot of messages
regarding USB to serial. Some people get them to work fine. I don't
seem to have that kind of luck.



--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john9912@...> wrote:
>
> DOS has no support for USB and only recognizes COM:1-COM:4. You may be
> able to run the ce44 dos within a window of XP but I certainly do NOT
> recommend it. Best solution is to get the CE44 windows version
> software. Thats it done...it will work in windows.
>
> John L.
> Sparta, NJ
>
> --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "usrbjf" <bjlf@> wrote:
> >
> > If it can be done, How can I use an XP laptop with USB ports to
program
> > the VX180's with the DOS software?
> >
> > I was using a compaq laptop with db9 and it worked.
> > Company upgraded lap's and now I can not get it to work.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>

DOS has no support for USB and only recognizes COM:1-COM:4. You may be
able to run the ce44 dos within a window of XP but I certainly do NOT
recommend it. Best solution is to get the CE44 windows version
software. Thats it done...it will work in windows.

John L.
Sparta, NJ

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "usrbjf" <bjlf@...> wrote:
>
> If it can be done, How can I use an XP laptop with USB ports to program
> the VX180's with the DOS software?
>
> I was using a compaq laptop with db9 and it worked.
> Company upgraded lap's and now I can not get it to work.
>
> Thanks
>

I did not mean the "C2" in "DGC2" I meant the "C2" in DGC20"""2C"""

I just got CPS R04000 but I can't get it to read the radio either. I
am getting "couldn't open port..."



--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon" <wb6fly@...>
wrote:
>
> I'm guessing that you have the wrong RSS.  Every model number shown
in the
> SM50.MDF file should have "DGC" in it, else it is not an SM50 file.
> "M33DGC20C2__" is definitely in the MDF list for the SM50/SM120 RSS.
  Most
> likely, someone has hacked the RSS you have, before you got it.  The
"20"
> that follows the "DGC" means that the radio was made for standard
20K0F3E
> bandwidth; if it were "00" it means that the radio was made for narrow
> 11K0F3E bandwidth.  That's really one of the few shortcomings of the
SM50
> and SM120 models- the bandwidth is not programmable.
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:03 PM
> To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Sorry I need help
>
> --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eric Lemmon" <wb6fly@>
> wrote:
> >
> Model M33DGC20C2AA
> RSS R03.00.00
>
> I get what you are saying now, I looked in the .MDF file and it did
> not have the "C2" Models at all.
> This is the RSS widely available on the internet, ant suggestions
> where I can find the correct one?
>
> I am so impressed with the members of this group and how people help!
>
> > That error message simply means that the model number of your radio
> does not
> > appear exactly matching one of the model numbers in the "SM50.MDF"
file.
> > MDF stands for "Model Definition File." You must use HVN9007 RSS to
> program
> > your radio, but if you have a very old version (the current version is
> > R05.00.00), the suffix may not match, causing the error.
> >
> > What is the complete model number of your radio, and what version of
> HVN9007
> > RSS do you have?
> >
> > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of n
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:03 PM
> > To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Sorry I need help
> >
> > Ok, you all probably see this as a novice question (it is)but here
> > goes (thanks in advance for the replies)
> >
> > I am trying to program My Motorola SM120 (for the first time) I am
> > using
> > an old laptop Celeron 600 I think and I get this error
> >
> > "Model Definition File not Found"
> > \
> > Can someone please point me in the direction of clear progamming
> > instructions for this situation?
> > Or do I need an older computer or a missing file? etc...
> >
>

I'm guessing that you have the wrong RSS.  Every model number shown in the
SM50.MDF file should have "DGC" in it, else it is not an SM50 file.
"M33DGC20C2__" is definitely in the MDF list for the SM50/SM120 RSS.  Most
likely, someone has hacked the RSS you have, before you got it.  The "20"
that follows the "DGC" means that the radio was made for standard 20K0F3E
bandwidth; if it were "00" it means that the radio was made for narrow
11K0F3E bandwidth.  That's really one of the few shortcomings of the SM50
and SM120 models- the bandwidth is not programmable.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-----Original Message-----
From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:03 PM
To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Sorry I need help

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eric Lemmon" <wb6fly@...>
wrote:
>
Model M33DGC20C2AA
RSS R03.00.00

I get what you are saying now, I looked in the .MDF file and it did
not have the "C2" Models at all.
This is the RSS widely available on the internet, ant suggestions
where I can find the correct one?

I am so impressed with the members of this group and how people help!

> That error message simply means that the model number of your radio
does not
> appear exactly matching one of the model numbers in the "SM50.MDF" file.
> MDF stands for "Model Definition File." You must use HVN9007 RSS to
program
> your radio, but if you have a very old version (the current version is
> R05.00.00), the suffix may not match, causing the error.
>
> What is the complete model number of your radio, and what version of
HVN9007
> RSS do you have?
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of n
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:03 PM
> To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:radio-programming%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Sorry I need help
>
> Ok, you all probably see this as a novice question (it is)but here
> goes (thanks in advance for the replies)
>
> I am trying to program My Motorola SM120 (for the first time) I am
> using
> an old laptop Celeron 600 I think and I get this error
>
> "Model Definition File not Found"
> \
> Can someone please point me in the direction of clear progamming
> instructions for this situation?
> Or do I need an older computer or a missing file? etc...
>

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon" <wb6fly@...>
wrote:
>
Model M33DGC20C2AA
RSS R03.00.00

I get what you are saying now, I looked in the .MDF file and it did
not have the "C2" Models at all.
This is the RSS widely available on the internet, ant suggestions
where I can find the correct one?

I am so impressed with the members of this group and how people help!




> That error message simply means that the model number of your radio
does not
> appear exactly matching one of the model numbers in the "SM50.MDF" file.
> MDF stands for "Model Definition File."  You must use HVN9007 RSS to
program
> your radio, but if you have a very old version (the current version is
> R05.00.00), the suffix may not match, causing the error.
>
> What is the complete model number of your radio, and what version of
HVN9007
> RSS do you have?
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:03 PM
> To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Sorry I need help
>
> Ok, you all probably see this as a novice question (it is)but here
> goes (thanks in advance for the replies)
>
> I am trying to program My Motorola SM120 (for the first time) I am
> using
> an old laptop Celeron 600 I think and I get this error
>
> "Model Definition File not Found"
> \
> Can someone please point me in the direction of clear progamming
> instructions for this situation?
> Or do I need an older computer or a missing file? etc...
>

If it can be done, How can I use an XP laptop with USB ports to program
the VX180's with the DOS software?

I was using a compaq laptop with db9 and it worked.
Company upgraded lap's and now I can not get it to work.

Thanks

That error message simply means that the model number of your radio does not
appear exactly matching one of the model numbers in the "SM50.MDF" file.
MDF stands for "Model Definition File."  You must use HVN9007 RSS to program
your radio, but if you have a very old version (the current version is
R05.00.00), the suffix may not match, causing the error.

What is the complete model number of your radio, and what version of HVN9007
RSS do you have?

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-----Original Message-----
From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of n
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 3:03 PM
To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Sorry I need help

Ok, you all probably see this as a novice question (it is)but here
goes (thanks in advance for the replies)

I am trying to program My Motorola SM120 (for the first time) I am
using
an old laptop Celeron 600 I think and I get this error

"Model Definition File not Found"
\
Can someone please point me in the direction of clear progamming
instructions for this situation?
Or do I need an older computer or a missing file? etc...

Ok, you all probably see this as a novice  question (it is)but here
goes (thanks in advance for the replies)

I am trying to program My Motorola SM120 (for the first time) I am
using
an old laptop Celeron 600 I think and I get this error

"Model Definition File not Found"
\
Can someone please point me in the direction of clear progamming
instructions for this situation?
  Or do I need an older computer or a missing file? etc...

As an example sometimes the pointing device in a laptop is COM1.

Duncan
www.radiospares.co.uk



On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Evan Platt <evan@...> wrote:
> The USB port isn't what makes the configuration - it's the device. And
> I've configured plenty of USB to serial adapters as COM1. You may just
> need to disable COM1 in your computers BIOS. (Even if you don't
> physically have a COM1 on your motherboard, the BIOS may think you do.)
>
> jstechnicalservice wrote:
>> I could be wrong, but I've never seen a USB port configurable as COM
>> port 1. You may need to see what ports are available in your system
>> settings and use one of them.
>>
>
>

; ) Thanks, "run" was euphemism. The Dept. doesn't have a problem in
99% of the coverage area, I am on the edge.

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Bowers" <bbowers@...>
wrote:
>
> An AFG grant perhaps?  Upgrade the entire system?
>
> AFG grants are made for just this kind of situation, and
> if you are a rural department they can be had for only a
> 5% share.
>
> And you want the CHEAPEST radio?  To risk your life with?
>
> And run?  Never never never run.  Walk with purpose.  More
> fireground injuries come from running than you can shake two
> sticks at, and it does not make anything go faster.
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "n" <noloflash@...>
> To: <radio-programming@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:14 AM
> Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Re: Motorola MDC-1200
>
>
> > Thanks all for the responses.
> >
> > Let me explain in more detail what I am trying to accomplish.
> >
> > The Vol. Dept. radio reception is just out of range in my rural
> > area(VHF). I stand on on one foot and hold up my portable (VHF with
> > MDC1200) to hear the call, then I run out to my car (the mobile has
> > perfect reception)and respond using my (VHF) SM120 (25w-barley enough
> > on a good day and I wish it had MDC1200 -for PTT ID in this case).
> >
> > So here is what I have been working on. I picked up a Pyramid SVR-200U
> > (on eBay) and connected it to my SM120 and I am using a borrowed UHF
> > portable for crossband repeating (what I thought would be the most
> > cost effective and reliable option). All this, so that I can actually
> > hear the calls and respond without running out to my car.
> >
>

The USB port isn't what makes the configuration - it's the device. And
I've configured plenty of USB to serial adapters as COM1. You may just
need to disable COM1 in your computers BIOS. (Even if you don't
physically have a COM1 on your motherboard, the BIOS may think you do.)

jstechnicalservice wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I've never seen a USB port configurable as COM
> port 1. You may need to see what ports are available in your system
> settings and use one of them.
>

You might go into your device manager and see what connections are available
for the cable and change to one that is not in use. I have to do that with
my Kenwood's that I program USB.

Peter Dakota Summerhawk


-----Original Message-----
From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jstechnicalservice
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:09 AM
To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Re: USB Progam cable


I could be wrong, but I've never seen a USB port configurable as COM
port 1. You may need to see what ports are available in your system
settings and use one of them.





--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "ewrtsa" <EWRTSA@...> wrote:
>
> I recently tried 2 different ebay dealers Maxton RPC-M88s/U USB
cable
> for my GP2000's
>
> Not one of them work. All I get is read failure. I installed the
USB
> driver for them and was sure to set program and driver for COM1 as
> the readme suggested. I even tried all the different Faster &
Slower)
> COM port baud rates. Still no luck. Has anyone one the group bought
> one of these Pacific Rim manufacture cables and figured out how to
> make it work. Does anyone know of a suppler that has cables that
will
> actually work? I have a serial cable for the deshtop and it works
> fine but the USB cable on the same PC does not. The USB cable is
for
> my laptop and it does not have a serial port. Yes I tried the
serial
> cable with a know workin serial to USB adapter and it still does
not
> work. I know the serial t usb adapter works as I use it with the
> laptop to prog my VXA700 all the time.
>
> I will thank any and all for your time to reply.
>
>
> Garth
>



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I could be wrong, but I've never seen a USB port configurable as COM
port 1. You may need to see what ports are available in your system
settings and use one of them.





--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "ewrtsa" <EWRTSA@...> wrote:
>
> I recently tried 2 different ebay dealers Maxton RPC-M88s/U USB
cable
> for my GP2000's
>
> Not one of them work. All I get is read failure. I installed the
USB
> driver for them and was sure to set program and driver for COM1 as
> the readme suggested. I even tried all the different Faster &
Slower)
> COM port baud rates. Still no luck. Has anyone one the group bought
> one of these Pacific Rim manufacture cables and figured out how to
> make it work. Does anyone know of a suppler that has cables that
will
> actually work? I have a serial cable for the deshtop and it works
> fine but the USB cable on the same PC does not. The USB cable is
for
> my laptop and it does not have a serial port. Yes I tried the
serial
> cable with a know workin serial to USB adapter and it still does
not
> work. I know the serial t usb adapter works as I use it with the
> laptop to prog my VXA700 all the time.
>
> I will thank any and all for your time to reply.
>
>
> Garth
>

Here is another thought.  Tie the output of the
MDC board to a relay, turning on your siren.

That would certainly let you know you got a call...

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

----- Original Message -----
From: "n" <noloflash@...>
To: <radio-programming@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:14 AM
Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Re: Motorola MDC-1200


> Thanks all for the responses.
>
> Let me explain in more detail what I am trying to accomplish.
>
> The Vol. Dept. radio reception is just out of range in my rural
> area(VHF). I stand on on one foot and hold up my portable (VHF with
> MDC1200) to hear the call, then I run out to my car (the mobile has
> perfect reception)and respond using my (VHF) SM120 (25w-barley enough
> on a good day and I wish it had MDC1200 -for PTT ID in this case).
>
> So here is what I have been working on. I picked up a Pyramid SVR-200U
> (on eBay) and connected it to my SM120 and I am using a borrowed UHF
> portable for crossband repeating (what I thought would be the most
> cost effective and reliable option). All this, so that I can actually
> hear the calls and respond without running out to my car.
>
> Now back to my original question:
>
> What is the cheepest radio that I can buy that will do MDC-1200? (My
> thinking is to buy a UHF portable with MDC1200 so my base will pick up
> my PTT-ID though the repeater and the SM120).
>
> Where can I get an MDC 1200 chip for a Mobile Radius SM120?
> (Or I could use any UHF portable radio and add MDC1200 to my SM120 for
> the reasons stated above.)
>
> As far as the discussion of whether or not the SM series can do
> MDC1200, I don't know if this proves anything but it is discussed in
> the help files for the programming software for SM50-SM120.
>
> Thanks all!
>
>
> --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john9912@...> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if you are looking to replace your SM120 with another radio
>> OR you want an MDC capable radio in addition to your SM120. The post
>> is not clear. Maybe you can respond to some of these questions and
>> someone can offer better informed suggestions.
>>
>> Portable/Mobile?
>> New/Used?
>> Band?
>> Alpha display or just numeric ok?
>> Built in MDC1200 or willing to accept aftermarket encode?
>> How many channels?
>> Output power?
>> anything else the radio must do?
>>
>> ????
>>
>> Encoders are available from Cimmaron Tech, Midian, maybe a couple of
>> others.
>>
>> MDC functionality enc/dec built in most Motorola or select Icom models
>> Newer Kenwoods have plug in module slot. Easy install.
>> Most other radio require soldering several wires. Encoder
>> manufacturers might have some application notes on where exactly to
>> solder into certain models. Other models, you will need the service
>> manual and the ability to determine where these connections go.
>>
>> After market encoders usually require separate programmer or
>> programming cable. Little expensive if you just want one. Maybe dealer
>> can program it for you.
>>
>> John L
>> Sparta NJ
>>
>> --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "n" <noloflash@> wrote:
>> >
>> > What is the cheepest radio that I can buy that will do MDC-1200?
>> >
>> > Where can I get an MDC 1200 chip for a Mobile Radius SM120?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > (Skipp thanks for the response to my KAWA cable question)
>> >
>>
>
>
>
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An AFG grant perhaps?  Upgrade the entire system?

AFG grants are made for just this kind of situation, and
if you are a rural department they can be had for only a
5% share.

And you want the CHEAPEST radio?  To risk your life with?

And run?  Never never never run.  Walk with purpose.  More
fireground injuries come from running than you can shake two
sticks at, and it does not make anything go faster.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

----- Original Message -----
From: "n" <noloflash@...>
To: <radio-programming@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 1:14 AM
Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Re: Motorola MDC-1200


> Thanks all for the responses.
>
> Let me explain in more detail what I am trying to accomplish.
>
> The Vol. Dept. radio reception is just out of range in my rural
> area(VHF). I stand on on one foot and hold up my portable (VHF with
> MDC1200) to hear the call, then I run out to my car (the mobile has
> perfect reception)and respond using my (VHF) SM120 (25w-barley enough
> on a good day and I wish it had MDC1200 -for PTT ID in this case).
>
> So here is what I have been working on. I picked up a Pyramid SVR-200U
> (on eBay) and connected it to my SM120 and I am using a borrowed UHF
> portable for crossband repeating (what I thought would be the most
> cost effective and reliable option). All this, so that I can actually
> hear the calls and respond without running out to my car.
>

The radio requires two points on one of the boards to be shorted as well to put
it in Programming mode.

Open it up by removing the 2 screws and carefully squeeze the front panel on the
sides to release to two parts.

Again carefully place the two parts next to each other. There is a ribbon cable
connecting the two boards.

on one of the boards you will find 3 contacts in the upper right corner  2
across one down

Short the the two down : together as you power up and it will go into
prorgraming mode

I don't know where the Scan and pwr on comes from unless someone ran a jumper
from one of the contacts of the scan button to do the shorting.
(I did this with mine but I used the Monitor button on the side)

Let me know how it works out for you.  We may be able to swap programming info
on the radios.

Jim S.


To: radio-programming@...: p_dodds@...: Mon, 30 Jun
2008 08:33:07 +0000Subject: Re: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Kenwood TK-208




Hey Kev, It's a genuine Kenwood TK-208, I bought it new - gosh it must be nearly
10 years ago now!Paul.--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, Kevcat
<kevcat@...> wrote:>> p_dodds wrote:> > Hi All,> > > > I have the TK-208/308
Simple Programming sheet but can't work out how > > to get the radio into
programming mode (Scan + Power On as per the > > sheet doesn't do the trick).> >
> > Would appreciate any tips on how to get the radio into programming mode.> >
> > Thanks,> > > > Paul.> > is the radio a REAL Kenwood 208/308 or one of the
cheap Chinese copies> I have the cheap type and no buttons do what they are
labelled to do> and I can't program it either> > > Kev>






_________________________________________________________________



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Good question, but I need to hear it on a portable as I am not always
in the house or in that room etc....

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "M. Blaise" <mblaise@...> wrote:
>
> Why don't you set yourself up with a nice base station with an
external antenna.  You could get a UHF CDM1250 with MDC1200 for around
$500 or less.  Then get a good outdoor antenna with good coax.  Then
you will be able to transmit and receive from your house with no problem.
>
> Mike    KC2TOH
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: n
>   To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:14 AM
>   Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Re: Motorola MDC-1200
>
>
>   Thanks all for the responses.
>
>   Let me explain in more detail what I am trying to accomplish.
>
>   The Vol. Dept. radio reception is just out of range in my rural
>   area(VHF). I stand on on one foot and hold up my portable (VHF with
>   MDC1200) to hear the call, then I run out to my car (the mobile has
>   perfect reception)and respond using my (VHF) SM120 (25w-barley enough
>   on a good day and I wish it had MDC1200 -for PTT ID in this case).
>
>   So here is what I have been working on. I picked up a Pyramid SVR-200U
>   (on eBay) and connected it to my SM120 and I am using a borrowed UHF
>   portable for crossband repeating (what I thought would be the most
>   cost effective and reliable option). All this, so that I can actually
>   hear the calls and respond without running out to my car.
>
>   Now back to my original question:
>
>   What is the cheepest radio that I can buy that will do MDC-1200? (My
>   thinking is to buy a UHF portable with MDC1200 so my base will pick up
>   my PTT-ID though the repeater and the SM120).
>
>   Where can I get an MDC 1200 chip for a Mobile Radius SM120?
>   (Or I could use any UHF portable radio and add MDC1200 to my SM120 for
>   the reasons stated above.)
>
>   As far as the discussion of whether or not the SM series can do
>   MDC1200, I don't know if this proves anything but it is discussed in
>   the help files for the programming software for SM50-SM120.
>
>   Thanks all!
>
>   --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john9912@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Not sure if you are looking to replace your SM120 with another radio
>   > OR you want an MDC capable radio in addition to your SM120. The post
>   > is not clear. Maybe you can respond to some of these questions and
>   > someone can offer better informed suggestions.
>   >
>   > Portable/Mobile?
>   > New/Used?
>   > Band?
>   > Alpha display or just numeric ok?
>   > Built in MDC1200 or willing to accept aftermarket encode?
>   > How many channels?
>   > Output power?
>   > anything else the radio must do?
>   >
>   > ????
>   >
>   > Encoders are available from Cimmaron Tech, Midian, maybe a couple of
>   > others.
>   >
>   > MDC functionality enc/dec built in most Motorola or select Icom
models
>   > Newer Kenwoods have plug in module slot. Easy install.
>   > Most other radio require soldering several wires. Encoder
>   > manufacturers might have some application notes on where exactly to
>   > solder into certain models. Other models, you will need the service
>   > manual and the ability to determine where these connections go.
>   >
>   > After market encoders usually require separate programmer or
>   > programming cable. Little expensive if you just want one. Maybe
dealer
>   > can program it for you.
>   >
>   > John L
>   > Sparta NJ
>   >
>   > --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "n" <noloflash@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > What is the cheepest radio that I can buy that will do MDC-1200?
>   > >
>   > > Where can I get an MDC 1200 chip for a Mobile Radius SM120?
>   > >
>   > > Thanks
>   > >
>   > > (Skipp thanks for the response to my KAWA cable question)
>   > >
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Someone sent me this link and it works for MDC signaling:
http://cimtechcorp.com/CIM-1000K.asp
So I guess I will be ordering some a few boards for the 2180's and 5210 that
I have.
Thanks for the information on that Kenwood site Paul that also helped a lot.
Peter Dakota Summerhawk


-----Original Message-----
From: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:radio-programming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Linkous
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:27 AM
To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Can the TK-5210 do MDC signaling?

here is what i have found out about this unit:

   The TK-5210/5310 premium, high specification, heavy-duty portables offer
conventional FM and conventional P25 digital operation for present and
future interoperability requirements for law enforcement, fire and emergency
services. Available in a basic non-display, display and display with keypad
models, the 16 Character LCD and controls provide an intuitive user
interface simplifying P25 and FM operation for all user types. The P25
trunked option permits operation on local, regional and statewide Project 25
compliant networked systems. The extra large capacity and Zone programming
facilitate departmental, inter-agency interoperability, mutual aid and
tactical channel organization. Encryption /ANI control permits basic to high
level voice security and dispatch functions satisfying homeland security and
confidentiality requirements. Standardized DES-OFB and AES encryption
options permits advanced secure interoperable voice communications.
Emergency Call and Man-Down for hazardous environment and jail/corrections
personnel is supported for P25, FleetSync and MDC-1200/G-Star options.
  General Features . 5W (136 - 174 MHz) . 4W (450 - 520, 380 - 470 MHz) . 50
Zones / 512 Channels . Personality Lists . Conventional FM / Conventional &
Trunked P25 Digital . FM Analog & P25 Digial Conventional (Standard) . P25
Digitaal Trunking (Optional) . DES 16-Key Secure Encryption Module Option .
AES
FIPS 140-2 & DES 16-Key SCM Option . Emergency Feature Set . Voice
Annunciation . Tactical Group . Immersion Option (MIL-STD 512.X,
IP66/67) . FleetSync(R)
I/II . Intrinsically Safe Options . Easy Option Port


   . MIL-STD 810 C/D/E/F . IP54/55 Water & Dust Protection . VOX Ready
.. Advanced
LCD & Controls . Enhanced Kenwood Audio . Windows Programming & Tuning


you can check this link for anyother info that you might need.

http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Communications/Land_Mobile_Radio/Portables/TK-5210
-5310




On 6/30/08, Peter Dakota Summerhawk <sg14ranger@...> wrote:
>
> Morning,
>
> Been looking at the unit and I am curious as to if the unit can do MDC
> signaling?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Peter Dakota Summerhawk
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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here is what i have found out about this unit:

   The TK-5210/5310 premium, high specification, heavy-duty portables offer
conventional FM and conventional P25 digital operation for present and
future interoperability requirements for law enforcement, fire and emergency
services. Available in a basic non-display, display and display with keypad
models, the 16 Character LCD and controls provide an intuitive user
interface simplifying P25 and FM operation for all user types. The P25
trunked option permits operation on local, regional and statewide Project 25
compliant networked systems. The extra large capacity and Zone programming
facilitate departmental, inter-agency interoperability, mutual aid and
tactical channel organization. Encryption /ANI control permits basic to high
level voice security and dispatch functions satisfying homeland security and
confidentiality requirements. Standardized DES-OFB and AES encryption
options permits advanced secure interoperable voice communications.
Emergency Call and Man-Down for hazardous environment and jail/corrections
personnel is supported for P25, FleetSync and MDC-1200/G-Star options.
  General Features • 5W (136 - 174 MHz) • 4W (450 - 520, 380 - 470 MHz) • 50
Zones / 512 Channels • Personality Lists • Conventional FM / Conventional &
Trunked P25 Digital • FM Analog & P25 Digial Conventional (Standard) • P25
Digitaal Trunking (Optional) • DES 16-Key Secure Encryption Module Option • AES
FIPS 140-2 & DES 16-Key SCM Option • Emergency Feature Set • Voice
Annunciation • Tactical Group • Immersion Option (MIL-STD 512.X,
IP66/67) • FleetSync(R)
I/II • Intrinsically Safe Options • Easy Option Port


   • MIL-STD 810 C/D/E/F • IP54/55 Water & Dust Protection • VOX Ready
• Advanced
LCD & Controls • Enhanced Kenwood Audio • Windows Programming & Tuning


you can check this link for anyother info that you might need.

http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Communications/Land_Mobile_Radio/Portables/TK-5210-531\
0




On 6/30/08, Peter Dakota Summerhawk <sg14ranger@...> wrote:
>
> Morning,
>
> Been looking at the unit and I am curious as to if the unit can do MDC
> signaling?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Peter Dakota Summerhawk
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Morning,

Been looking at the unit and I am curious as to if the unit can do MDC
signaling?

Thanks



Peter Dakota Summerhawk





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Why don't you set yourself up with a nice base station with an external antenna.
You could get a UHF CDM1250 with MDC1200 for around $500 or less.  Then get a
good outdoor antenna with good coax.  Then you will be able to transmit and
receive from your house with no problem.

Mike    KC2TOH

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: n
   To: radio-programming@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:14 AM
   Subject: [radio-prog@yhgrps] Re: Motorola MDC-1200


   Thanks all for the responses.

   Let me explain in more detail what I am trying to accomplish.

   The Vol. Dept. radio reception is just out of range in my rural
   area(VHF). I stand on on one foot and hold up my portable (VHF with
   MDC1200) to hear the call, then I run out to my car (the mobile has
   perfect reception)and respond using my (VHF) SM120 (25w-barley enough
   on a good day and I wish it had MDC1200 -for PTT ID in this case).

   So here is what I have been working on. I picked up a Pyramid SVR-200U
   (on eBay) and connected it to my SM120 and I am using a borrowed UHF
   portable for crossband repeating (what I thought would be the most
   cost effective and reliable option). All this, so that I can actually
   hear the calls and respond without running out to my car.

   Now back to my original question:

   What is the cheepest radio that I can buy that will do MDC-1200? (My
   thinking is to buy a UHF portable with MDC1200 so my base will pick up
   my PTT-ID though the repeater and the SM120).

   Where can I get an MDC 1200 chip for a Mobile Radius SM120?
   (Or I could use any UHF portable radio and add MDC1200 to my SM120 for
   the reasons stated above.)

   As far as the discussion of whether or not the SM series can do
   MDC1200, I don't know if this proves anything but it is discussed in
   the help files for the programming software for SM50-SM120.

   Thanks all!

   --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john9912@...> wrote:
   >
   > Not sure if you are looking to replace your SM120 with another radio
   > OR you want an MDC capable radio in addition to your SM120. The post
   > is not clear. Maybe you can respond to some of these questions and
   > someone can offer better informed suggestions.
   >
   > Portable/Mobile?
   > New/Used?
   > Band?
   > Alpha display or just numeric ok?
   > Built in MDC1200 or willing to accept aftermarket encode?
   > How many channels?
   > Output power?
   > anything else the radio must do?
   >
   > ????
   >
   > Encoders are available from Cimmaron Tech, Midian, maybe a couple of
   > others.
   >
   > MDC functionality enc/dec built in most Motorola or select Icom models
   > Newer Kenwoods have plug in module slot. Easy install.
   > Most other radio require soldering several wires. Encoder
   > manufacturers might have some application notes on where exactly to
   > solder into certain models. Other models, you will need the service
   > manual and the ability to determine where these connections go.
   >
   > After market encoders usually require separate programmer or
   > programming cable. Little expensive if you just want one. Maybe dealer
   > can program it for you.
   >
   > John L
   > Sparta NJ
   >
   > --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "n" <noloflash@> wrote:
   > >
   > > What is the cheepest radio that I can buy that will do MDC-1200?
   > >
   > > Where can I get an MDC 1200 chip for a Mobile Radius SM120?
   > >
   > > Thanks
   > >
   > > (Skipp thanks for the response to my KAWA cable question)
   > >
   >





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Kev, It's a genuine Kenwood TK-208, I bought it new - gosh it
must be nearly 10 years ago now!

Paul.

--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, Kevcat <kevcat@...> wrote:
>
> p_dodds wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have the TK-208/308 Simple Programming sheet but can't work out
how
> > to get the radio into programming mode (Scan + Power On as per
the
> > sheet doesn't do the trick).
> >
> > Would appreciate any tips on how to get the radio into
programming mode.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul.
>
> is the radio a REAL Kenwood 208/308 or one of the cheap Chinese
copies
> I have the cheap type and no buttons do what they are labelled to do
> and I can't program it either
>
>
> Kev
>

Can any members please help with the programming software and the
programming cable schematic for the Tait Orca
(TOP-I2410-B01440)portable radio. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Cheers, CJ.

Thanks all for the responses.

Let me explain in more detail what I am trying to accomplish.

The Vol. Dept. radio reception is just out of range in my rural
area(VHF). I stand on on one foot and hold up my portable (VHF with
MDC1200) to hear the call, then I run out to my car (the mobile has
perfect reception)and respond using my (VHF) SM120 (25w-barley enough
on a good day and I wish it had MDC1200 -for PTT ID in this case).

So here is what I have been working on. I picked up a Pyramid SVR-200U
(on eBay) and connected it to my SM120 and I am using a borrowed UHF
portable for crossband repeating (what I thought would be the most
cost effective and reliable option). All this, so that I can actually
hear the calls and respond without running out to my car.

Now back to my original question:

What is the cheepest radio that I can buy that will do MDC-1200? (My
thinking is to buy a UHF portable with MDC1200 so my base will pick up
my PTT-ID though the repeater and the SM120).

Where can I get an MDC 1200 chip for a Mobile Radius SM120?
(Or I could use any UHF portable radio and add MDC1200 to my SM120 for
the reasons stated above.)

As far as the discussion of whether or not the SM series can do
MDC1200, I don't know if this proves anything but it is discussed in
the help files for the programming software for SM50-SM120.

Thanks all!


--- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "John" <john9912@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure if you are looking to replace your SM120 with another radio
> OR you want an MDC capable radio in addition to your SM120. The post
> is not clear. Maybe you can respond to some of these questions and
> someone can offer better informed suggestions.
>
> Portable/Mobile?
> New/Used?
> Band?
> Alpha display or just numeric ok?
> Built in MDC1200 or willing to accept aftermarket encode?
> How many channels?
> Output power?
> anything else the radio must do?
>
> ????
>
> Encoders are available from Cimmaron Tech, Midian, maybe a couple of
> others.
>
> MDC functionality enc/dec built in most Motorola or select Icom models
> Newer Kenwoods have plug in module slot. Easy install.
> Most other radio require soldering several wires. Encoder
> manufacturers might have some application notes on where exactly to
> solder into certain models. Other models, you will need the service
> manual and the ability to determine where these connections go.
>
> After market encoders usually require separate programmer or
> programming cable. Little expensive if you just want one. Maybe dealer
> can program it for you.
>
> John L
> Sparta NJ
>
> --- In radio-programming@yahoogroups.com, "n" <noloflash@> wrote:
> >
> > What is the cheepest radio that I can buy that will do MDC-1200?
> >
> > Where can I get an MDC 1200 chip for a Mobile Radius SM120?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > (Skipp thanks for the response to my KAWA cable question)
> >
>