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I don't know what area of the city you live in, but you can contact your
district Police station and find out what is the proper way of going about
getting these kids to stop disturbing the peacefulness of your home.  If this
doesn't work I would write directly to the Mayor.  If they are leaving trash,
junk and are littering which will attract rats and mice you can contact the
Department of Public works and they will make sure that the alley is kept clean
and free of litter. You might have to keep calling them if they don't come the
first time.

neema <ndlw@...> wrote:
I live in town house, it is end unit, so one side wall share the
alleyway, the wall start right on with alley.
Neighbor almost 10 to 12 kids start using the alleyway as play
ground with full basketball post since spring began.

And my home, the wall has become part of their ball bounching.
So they start playing basketball on saturday, sunday from 8am till
8:30 pm and all week from 3pm till 8:30pm, screaming, bounching
balls, fighting, yelling, laughing.

The noise level is so loud that I cannot take a nap in day time or
watch TV or even concentrate  any home activities. No single room is
free from this noise, I have three bedroom and still I cannot escape
the noise of these kids.

I try talking with the kids, but they are very disrespectful toward
me. May be becuase i am asian female and they are black kids. At
this point I am not sure what steps I should take, I start thinking
about selling the house and leaving but it is not easy to find right
place to move.

Overall the neighborhood is fine just this one house where they
seems to have 7 or 8 kids of their own and rest their friends who
come to play this baseketball. Please  advise me.

I live in town house, it is end unit, so one side wall share the
alleyway, the wall start right on with alley.
Neighbor almost 10 to 12 kids start using the alleyway as play
ground with full basketball post since spring began.

And my home, the wall has become part of their ball bounching.
So they start playing basketball on saturday, sunday from 8am till
8:30 pm and all week from 3pm till 8:30pm, screaming, bounching
balls, fighting, yelling, laughing.

The noise level is so loud that I cannot take a nap in day time or
watch TV or even concentrate  any home activities. No single room is
free from this noise, I have three bedroom and still I cannot escape
the noise of these kids.

I try talking with the kids, but they are very disrespectful toward
me. May be becuase i am asian female and they are black kids. At
this point I am not sure what steps I should take, I start thinking
about selling the house and leaving but it is not easy to find right
place to move.

Overall the neighborhood is fine just this one house where they
seems to have 7 or 8 kids of their own and rest their friends who
come to play this baseketball. Please  advise me.

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At 6:30 pm Wednesday evening a guy with a huge audio system built into his=

car was blasting Mount Pleasant Street with his taste in music. He was
trying to impress people with the power of his system, and the sound level=

was extreme, well over 100 dB. People were staring, and not happily, at
this display.

I approached him and demanded that he turn it down. He claimed that his
noise-making was not illegal, and asserted furthermore that a police
officer had told him that it was not illegal. Someone else said that yes,
an MPD squad car had been parked immediately in front of his sound-system
car. So I don't truly know if the MPD told him that such sound emission was=

allowable or not, but it might have happened.

I would appreciate it if the MPD would, just in case, advise its officers
that extremely loud radios are illegal. Here is one section of the DCMR
which might be cited:

Title 20, Chapter 27, Noise Control

2701.1 Except for person engaged in the noise-producing activities that are=

subject =A7=A72702 through 2704, and =A7=A72800 through 2807 of this subtit=
le, no
person shall cause, suffer, or permit any sound that emanates from an
operation, activity, or noise source under his or her control to exceed the=

maximum permissible sound level established in the following table as
applicable for the time of day or night and the zoning location where the
noise originates. For the purposes of this subsection, The source level
shall be measured at the property line of the property on which the noise
source is located or as close as is practicable if there is an obstruction.=

Sound levels shall be measured according to the test procedures prescribed=

by the administering agency established under =A72700:

ZONE MAXIMUM NOISE LEVEL
Daytime Nighttime
Commercial or light manufacturing zone 65 dB(A) 60 dB(A)
Industrial zone 70 dB(.a) 65 DB(a)
Residential, special purpose, or waterfront zone 60 db(A) 55 db(A)

For the commercial strip of Mount Pleasant Street, the daytime limit is 65=

dB. Not many people know how to interpret these decible-acoustic numbers.
Basically, the ambient noise level of a busy street is 70 to 75 dB. Hence,=

any sound matching or exceeding that of ordinary traffic is illegal.
Certainly extremely loud blasts from such a powerful stereo system,
deafening up close, and audible for blocks, is highly illegal, and I hope
the officers of the MPD know that.

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  a
guy with a huge audio system built into his car was blasting Mount
Pleasant Street with his taste in music. He was trying to impress people
with the power of his system, and the sound level was extreme, well over
100 dB. People were staring, and not happily, at this display. <br><br>
I approached him and demanded that he turn it down. He claimed that his
noise-making was not illegal, and asserted furthermore that a police
officer had told him that it was not illegal. Someone else said that yes,
an MPD squad car had been parked immediately in front of his sound-system
car. So I don't truly know if the MPD told him that such sound emission
was allowable or not, but it might have happened.<br><br>
I would appreciate it if the MPD would, just in case, advise its officers
that extremely loud radios are illegal. Here is one section of the DCMR
which might be cited:<br><br>
Title 20, Chapter 27, Noise Control<br><br>
</font>2701.1 Except for person engaged in the noise-producing activities
that are subject =A7=A72702 through 2704, and =A7=A72800 through 2807 of th=
is
subtitle, no person shall cause, suffer, or permit any sound that
emanates from an operation, activity, or noise source under his or her
control to exceed the maximum permissible sound level established in the
following table as applicable for the time of day or night and the zoning
location where the noise originates. For the purposes of this subsection,
The source level shall be measured at the property line of the property
on which the noise source is located or as close as is practicable if
there is an obstruction. Sound levels shall be measured according to the
test procedures prescribed by the administering agency established under
=A72700:<br><br>
ZONE MAXIMUM NOISE LEVEL<br>
Daytime Nighttime<br>
Commercial or light manufacturing zone 65 dB(A) 60 dB(A)<br>
Industrial zone 70 dB(.a) 65 DB(a)<br>
Residential, special purpose, or waterfront zone 60 db(A) 55
db(A)<br><br>
For the commercial strip of Mount Pleasant Street, the daytime limit is
65 dB. Not many people know how to interpret these decible-acoustic
numbers. Basically, the ambient noise level of a busy street is 70 to 75
dB. Hence, any sound matching or exceeding that of ordinary traffic is
illegal. Certainly extremely loud blasts from such a powerful stereo
system, deafening up close, and audible for blocks, is highly illegal,
and I hope the officers of the MPD know that.<br><br>
<font face=3D"Times New Roman, Times" size=3D3>-- Jack McKay<br><br>
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Does anyone have the regulations delivery trucks, I cant find them on
DCRA's website.

Thank you,
Ben Murphy

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I have inquired about a civil suit, but I need to have the lanlords address
which i don't have or know.  Can you tell me how I can go about getting it?

Drew Nickels <mrdrewn@...> wrote:I'm thinking there are occupant limits? 
Perhaps some civil action can be taken towards the landlord.



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"Calling noise a nuisance is like calling smog an inconvenience.  Noise must be
considered a hazard to the health of people everywhere."  --William Stewart,
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Two years ago I brough a home in SE.  A year later the owners of the
home attached to me rented the home to section.  A family of 5 moved
in with various other family members totaling at times with children
12 people.  Every since they moved in there has been continues noise
day and night from children playing, bouncing balls, and bumping
upagainst the walls.  The noise is so loud at times it wakes me up
from my sleep.  I have called 311, but no one ever comes and the time
the police did come they just stood out side. Does anybody have a
solution?  I have tried everything.

Thanks so much for providing this forum. I have a problem that I
think may be a little different from the "ordinary" construction
noise problems. I'm hopeful someone can help me.

I recently moved into a new condo near Gallery Place.  When I put a
contract on the place last fall they told me I wouldn't be able to
move in until the spring because my unit is located immediately above
the new theater that was still under construction, and far from being
finished. About a month after I submitted my contract they told me my
move-in date had been changed to late December, but they would let me
push it into January. I was shocked. I could see that the theater
construction was nowehere near complete. Still, according to the
contract, they had the right to dictate the settlement date to me.

I moved in on Friday Jan. 21st. On the following Monday I was
awakened at 6:15 a.m. by hammering and drilling in theater space
immediately under my unit. When I complained, the condo contractor
told me they weren't supposed to start before 7:00, but that after
that they could essentally do whatever they want. On subsequent
mornings, including all day one Sunday, I was awakened by
jackhammering.  Dispite my complaints, the construction generally
starts between 6 and 7 a.m.

I can't understand why the builder required me to move into a
building that has so much construction on-going INSIDE the building.
Apparently no one else on my floor has been required to move in (or
maybe they knew more than I did and refused). Does anyone know if I
have any different rights since this construction noise is coming
from inside the building as opposed to outside? I can't understand
how the builder got a residency permit from the city under these
conditions. Does anyone know where I can find the DC regs that
specify criteria that must be met to obtain a residency permit?

Thanks so much!

Linda

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A couple of years ago, the company that does the District's recycling
pickup, Goode Trash Removal, was coming around early in the morning -- well
before 7am. The recycling truck was loud and impossible to sleep through. DC
law prohibits noisy activities in residential neighborhoods, including
recycling and trash pickups before 7am -- there are no exceptions.  (I've
posted a link to the DC Noise Regulations on www.quietdc.com, and would be
happy to email a copy of the law to anyone who wants it.)  After complaints
and the threat of a lawsuit these pre-7am pickups stopped.

But now they're back.  Today we were woken up at 6:45am by the recycling
truck.  I'm sure that if the truck was on our block at 6:45am, it was on
other streets in the neighborhood even earlier.

I plan to take swift action and do whatever it takes to make sure that the
Goode Trash Removal complies with city law and does not wake up my family
early in the morning.  If you've been woken up by early morning recycling
pickups, here are some people you can contact to help put a stop to Goode
Trash Removal's illegal noise:

* Mr. Willie Goode, Goode Trash Removal: 301-779-4208, info@...,
fax: 301-779-7896

* Councilmember Kathy Patterson: 202-724-8062, kpatterson@..., fax:
202-724-8188

* District of Columbia Consumer and Regulatory Affairs (DCRA), fax:
202-442-9447.  In the past, I've found that DCRA to be very responsive to
faxed complaints.

* DC Office of Recycling: 202-645-8245

You can also call 311 to report illegal noise.  I have more contact
information on www.quietdc.com.

On a general note, let me add that District residents never have to put up
with illegal noise.  Whether it's early morning recycling pickups, early or
late construction, barking dogs, loud parties, loud patrons leaving
restaurants after hours, or leaf blowers, the law is clear about this.
Noise is more than just a quality-of-life issue (though that's certainly
important.)  Sleep deprivation can damage our health; noise has a real
effect on our health and well-being, and is the cause of serious problems
like car crashes and mistakes by doctors.

Bill Adler
billonline@...
202-986-9275

I'm in the process of updating our website, which is why some of the links
may be out of sorts.  You should be able to get to the main QuietDC website
at www.quietdc.com.

There's a copy of the DC noise regulations at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quietdc/files/.

--Bill Adler



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From: chapmantodd [mailto:chapmantodd@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:03 AM
To: quietdc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [quietdc] DC noise regulations



the links on the quietdc website don't work, as it appears that DCRA has
changed their site around.  Could someone give me updated links for the DC
regulations on noise?  Thanks.

Chapman Todd





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the links on the quietdc website don't work, as it appears that DCRA
has changed their site around.  Could someone give me updated links
for the DC regulations on noise?  Thanks.

Chapman Todd

Please look over the following ideas and comment if they have any
merit.

This is a scenario I contemplate. It is the product of raw
brainstorming, and not in a final polished version. Please provide
comments and refinements as you see fit.

Picture a quiet residential street in middle-class suburban America.
It's 11 pm and a team of Noisebusters stands raound, chatting
casually on a driveway awaiting their next victim. The home's owner
had called them because of excessive numbers of noise offenders
driving by during saturday-night cruise hour.

Here comes a luxury SUV around the corner, subwoofer blasting. The
audio specialist aims his audiometer at the vehicle as it approaches.
the device measures sound pressure levels at all frequencies,
escpecially the subsonic frequencies, and records the data. A
cameraman points his videocamera at the audiometer display, while
ensuring to include the moving SUV in the picture as well. The camera
itself records sound also, although not quantitatively. As the
vehicle approaches, the team leader walks towards the motoway and
signals the driver to stop. A second cameraman has his camera pointed
at the SUV, and now zooms in on the driver. As the driver lowers his
window, he turns down the sound slightly, just enough to speak. The
team leader tells the driver politely, but firmly, that his noise is
being heard inside the houses on that street, and the residents do
not want his noise inside their homes. The driver, visibly amused,
jerks his head back almost in disbelief of what he has just heard. He
turns the sound volume back up as he shows the teamleader the finger
signal, adding "Sue me!" as he merrily starts driving away. Both
cameramen continue to follow the vehicle, one including the license
plate in the field of view, the other continuing to include both the
SUV and the audiometer reading. The conversation with the driver was
also recorded. Two witnesses positioned on each side of the street
(teammembers also) have visually recorded the events and are now
jotting down their notes. One of them is a notary, the other an
attorney, and they both have seen and can attest to the fact that
there was no other vehicle moving on the street at that time besides
the SUV in question.

The driver is summoned to appear in court. several charges are
brought against him, and large punitive damages are sought.

The homeowner living on the street described above (who called the
team of noisebusters) complains of migraines, aggravated by low
frequency vibration. He's done his homework; his medical records show
6 visits to the physician, a pain specialist's notes indicate his
migraine may be aggravated by noise. Articles published in the
medical literature support the case that low frequency vibration can
be detrimental to health, and his attorney has copies of these with
him.
The noisebuster team brings a wealth of evidence into the courtroom
to support their case. The defense attorney tries to attenuate his
client's wrongdoing, with claims like "It wasn't that loud"; "He
didn't know"; "He didn't know his sound could be heard inside
residences", "He didn't know he was offending"; "He didn't mean
it"; "It was unintentional". Film footage tells a different story
though, and challenges the goodwill of the driver.

Several months later, the homeowner exits the courtroom with a big
smile on his face, and shares the proceeds with the noisebuster team.

It's a silly story, but I'm looking to see what needs to be done to
make it a reality. If you think getting 5 or 6 people together to
form such a NoiseBuster team is impossible, I think there are enough
anti-noise crusaders out there who will go the distance to combat
offenders,(me included).


Here are some of the rough edges of the above idea:

-Videocameras need to be special sealed types approved by law
enforcement or the justice department for this type of use.
-The audiometer also needs to be an approved device for use as
evidence in the courtroom.
-Audiometer needs to be operated by someone who can demonstrate
qualification in a courtroom, and must be calibrated, with proof of
recent calibration.
-Local laws must exist that make it unlawful to produce noise that's
audible more than a certain distance from a vehicle.
-A wittness with some official function may be required, to give more
weight to the testimony.
-Although it is not unlawful to film someone in a public area, camera
operators may need to be less obvious by concealing themselves behind
trees, in parked cars, etc. so as not to tip off the driver that an
organized operation is under way.
-It'a a numbers game; you may film 20 of these episodes in one
evening, and choose just 2 or 3 of the loudest and most abnoxious
ones to prosecute.
-It would be helpful to summon the support of several neighbors on
the street to give added weight to the public disturbance case.
-You might check to see if local authorities will allow you to post
a "no noise" sign at the corner of your street. If that's possible,
then you have one more coffin nail for the offender.
-You need to come to terms with the fact that this may be a profit
operation, and that Noisebusters team members may be heavily
financially motivated.


-Catching a driver of a moving vehicle is the most challenging
scenario. there are scenarios that would be easier to work with:

1. the neighbor
Here, you know exactly who the offender is, because he lives on your
street. So you start with more than just a license plate number. You
have a name and address where to serve.
He's predictable (comes and goes at same hours) , so you can call
witnesses or specialists to be present at the right times.
Because he's predictable, he's likely to be a repeat offender. You
can demonstrate to a court that he made noise on Monday, then again
on Wednesday, Thurdsday, Saturday, and so on.
After you told him, he still made noise some more. You told him
again, and he still continued. This is the kind of stuff that would
weigh heavier in court. He can no longer claim innocence at all.
You might want to make sure that the person who tells him to stop
making noise, is not someone he knows and recognizes as a neighbor,
but an independent stranger (Noisebuster). You want him to actually
ignore the stranger, and continue making noise, you you can nail him
harder.

2. the visitor
This is a frequent visitor to one of the houses on your street, who
typically parks his car, (or double parks) and leaves the radio on
for a while. Since you know which neighbor he visits, you can have
that neighbor subpoenad to provide ID on the offender, and in some
areas, the neighbor himself may be liable for noise created by his
visitors.
Because he's recurrent, again you can record several events of noise
offence, to demonstrate that he is refractory.

3 The regular
You don't know where he comes from or where he's going, but this
particular car with blaring sound, drives by every day at the same
hours, like clockwork. Here, again, you can demonstrate repeat
offence, and refractory behaviour, if you let the person know he is
offending more than once.


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Many US communities have city ordinances against noise, some
specifically against noise from auto sound systems.

The problem with car radios, is that they're for the most part hit-
and-run offences. The driver drives by, wakes you from your mid-
afternoon nap, and he's gone before the police gets there (If you
were silly enough to call the police).
He knows you can't catch him, that's why he's not worried.

And what about police cars that drive by these guys and don't stop
them?
Well the problem lies in the police officer's ability to provide
positive proof or testimony of loudness. It's not as easy a thing as
you think. It requires them to quantify how loud the sound was, which
is difficult without instruments. Police officers are not equiped to
do audiometry in the field.

Second night I've been awakened at 7:30 AM by people banging hammers
on the ground.  Is it legal for apartment to be doing renovation at
this time of day?  How do I get proof on this if it isn't legal?

Drew,

There's a link to the DC noise regulations at www.quietdc.com.
Generally speaking, construction is *not* allowed between 11pm and 6am.
There are exceptions, including emergency work, but the exceptions are
few.  If the work continues more than one night, I doubt it's an
"emergency."

--Bill Adler


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From: Drew Nickels [mailto:mrdrewn@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:24 AM
To: quietdc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [quietdc] 11pm to 6 am construction


Last night  10/4 to 10/5 on a side street of Fesseden along
Connecticut Avenue near near 5130 connecticut Avenue there was
significant construction involving a jackhammer, which contributes
over double the legal limit in decibal levels.

I may have been somewhat understanding if this construction took
place on connecticut avenue which is bus during all times of the day
except late at night, but this was on a sidestreet that NEVER sees
much traffic at all.

I know about the laws now, but I wish I knew about them yesterday.
Has anyone else dealt with after hours street construction that's far
too loud?  I'm recently coming from dorm life where I have been used
to outragious noise issues, but this incident last night really
caused problems.  I wonder if anyone else complained.  I will tonight
if it occurs again.

best,
Drew

Last night  10/4 to 10/5 on a side street of Fesseden along
Connecticut Avenue near near 5130 connecticut Avenue there was
significant construction involving a jackhammer, which contributes
over double the legal limit in decibal levels.

I may have been somewhat understanding if this construction took
place on connecticut avenue which is bus during all times of the day
except late at night, but this was on a sidestreet that NEVER sees
much traffic at all.

I know about the laws now, but I wish I knew about them yesterday.
Has anyone else dealt with after hours street construction that's far
too loud?  I'm recently coming from dorm life where I have been used
to outragious noise issues, but this incident last night really
caused problems.  I wonder if anyone else complained.  I will tonight
if it occurs again.

best,
Drew

Thanks for the update!!!

Bill Adler <billonline@...> wrote:Dear List Members,

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activity or they get deleted.  QuietDC is, well, a pretty quiet email
list, and often months go by without any messages.

So I'm sending this message as a place holder.  But while I'm here, I
thought I'd mention that I have made some additions to the QuietDC
website, www.quietdc.com.  On www.quietdc.com, you'll find a link to the
DC Noise Regulations, among other resources.

--Bill Adler




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Dear List Members,

YahooGroups requires that its email lists maintain a certain level of
activity or they get deleted.  QuietDC is, well, a pretty quiet email
list, and often months go by without any messages.

So I'm sending this message as a place holder.  But while I'm here, I
thought I'd mention that I have made some additions to the QuietDC
website, www.quietdc.com.  On www.quietdc.com, you'll find a link to the
DC Noise Regulations, among other resources.

--Bill Adler




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Darrell,

Thanks for your note.  I grew up in New York, and I think that despite
its size and unwieldiness, New York City does a better job at pursuing
quality of life issues than the District.

Illegal trash pickups are only one problem.  Emergency vehicle noise,
early truck deliveries, before and after hour construction -- these are
all big problems.  My hope is that people will realize that they don't
have to put up with loud, illegal noise.

--Bill



-----Original Message-----
From: mevents@... [mailto:mevents@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 4:30 PM
To: themail@...
Cc: billonline@...; quietdc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [quietdc] More on Noise Pollution in DC



Hi Bill,
   Thanks so much for setting up the QuietDC.com Website and listserv.  I
have a feeling that there are a lot of people in DC who would like to
work on getting DC more quiet and allowing for more uninteruptted sleep.
I have written to the fire chief about this issue and received no
response.

I'm asking that the following be added to the next issue of The Mail:


Noise Pollution from Ambulances in DC

   Following up on Bill Adler's comments about Noise Pollution in DC from
the Trash Trucks, I'm aware that there is a policy in DC which creates
much unneeded noise from Ambulances.  The policy of the DC Fire and
Emergency Medical Services (FEMS) is that all patients transported to
the hospital by ambulance
shall be taken utilizing Lights and Sirens.

   This policy is different from all of the surrounding jurisdictions,
including
Fairfax, Prince Georges, Arlington, and Montgomery counties.  They only
transport
using lights and sirens when the patient is determined to have a
significant
injury or illness.  However, there are many patients who call 911 and
are
transported by ambulance who do not have an injury or illness where the
outcome
would be any different if they arrived at the hospital 5-15 minutes
earlier
because they were transported with lights and sirens.  Travelling with
lights
and sirens is riskier, often more uncomfortable to the patient who is
strapped
down on the strecher facing backwards, and causes much unneeded noise
pollution
in the city.  It is my guess that the DC FEMS has this policy in place
to
make up for the severe shortage of ambulances and EMTs/Paramedics this
city has, as was described in a Washington Post article a few months
ago.  It is
very frustrating that the DC FEMS can't provide an appropriate level of
service to the citizens and that it must use sirens so often.

Darrell Duane
dduane@...


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Hi Bill,
   Thanks so much for setting up the QuietDC.com Website and listserv.  I
have a feeling that there are a lot of people in DC who would like to work
on getting DC more quiet and allowing for more uninteruptted sleep.
I have written to the fire chief about this issue and received no response.

I'm asking that the following be added to the next issue of The Mail:


Noise Pollution from Ambulances in DC

   Following up on Bill Adler's comments about Noise Pollution in DC from
the Trash Trucks, I'm aware that there is a policy in DC which creates much
unneeded noise from Ambulances.  The policy of the DC Fire and Emergency
Medical Services (FEMS) is that all patients transported to the hospital by
ambulance
shall be taken utilizing Lights and Sirens.

   This policy is different from all of the surrounding jurisdictions, including
Fairfax, Prince Georges, Arlington, and Montgomery counties.  They only
transport
using lights and sirens when the patient is determined to have a significant
injury or illness.  However, there are many patients who call 911 and are
transported by ambulance who do not have an injury or illness where the outcome
would be any different if they arrived at the hospital 5-15 minutes earlier
because they were transported with lights and sirens.  Travelling with lights
and sirens is riskier, often more uncomfortable to the patient who is strapped
down on the strecher facing backwards, and causes much unneeded noise pollution
in the city.  It is my guess that the DC FEMS has this policy in place to
make up for the severe shortage of ambulances and EMTs/Paramedics this city has,
as was described in a Washington Post article a few months ago.  It is
very frustrating that the DC FEMS can't provide an appropriate level of service
to the citizens and that it must use sirens so often.

Darrell Duane
dduane@...

http://www.geocities.com/donnaschwartz79/metrobusnoisepollution.html
  Donna <legalsec79@...> wrote:
If your answer to the question is, "YES!" ~ I invite you to read the letter I
have addressed to Metro General Manager and CEO, Richard White.  Note:  When
this page opens, a smaller geocities page will be on top that can be minimized
or closed by clicking on the right corner (once or twice) of the window.


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If your answer to the question is, "YES!" ~ I invite you to read the letter I
have addressed to Metro General Manager and CEO, Richard White (see link below).
Note:  When this page opens, a smaller geocities page will be on top that can be
minimized or closed by clicking on the right corner (once or twice) of the
window.   http://www.geocities.com/donnaschwartz79/metrobusnoisepollution.html

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