Hi everyone, I just created a new list on http://listsofjohn.com that some of you may find of interest. The basic premise of the list is to attempt to single...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 3, 2011 10:16 pm
Hello from Adam, Guatemala's tourist trade is virtually begging for you to visit! The Civil War is now history; and there's FAR more to see and do there...
Hello, I coined the term ultramajor mountains, in my Jan-Feb 1987 Summit magazine article titled Defining and Sizing-up Mountains (and likely mentioned the...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 9, 2011 7:01 pm
Hello Steve Fry, ... - And as recognized by everybody "here" and in my book "The Finest Peaks". These days there are many commercial products bearing the...
Hello All, Nice to go over the history of this term. I proposed the term "ultra" - with all due credit to Steve Fry's pioneering work years earlier - around...
Hi Adam, Thanks for your detailed reply. Yes it is difficult to surpass ultra. In fact, during my research during the 1980's, if a peak had at least 5000 feet...
I remember a time (~1998-1999) when the following terms were used: 500' prominence is a hill 1000' is a mountain 2000' is a major mountain 5000' is an...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 10, 2011 6:16 am
Hello Steve Fry, ... I believe that the majority of people who live in the Pacific Northwest (at least among THIS forum) have CHOSEN to be there in preference...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 10, 2011 6:25 am
The chemistry theme goes farther than THAT, Edward. As you know I currently have 92 ultra peaks worldwide. I have intentionally limited my trip to British...
Hi, Nice to have a little look at how (some) of these concepts came into (general) use. A prominence oriented classification is needed, but should definitely...
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Petter Bjorstad ... In the UK we have never called P100m summits "mountains" generically as many of them are below the...
Hill seems like a misnomer as it implies a rounded uneventful heap of dirt. There are many sub-p1000s that are far more challenging than any contiguous US...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 10, 2011 6:50 pm
Since we are talking nomenclature I thought it appropriate to include this message. I have a minor problem with the "I have a Dream" peaklist at Greg Slayden's...
Regarding "Humps", I guess I did (implicitly) assume that the mountain/hump in question besides being P100, had an elevation that made it meaningful to call it...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 11, 2011 12:08 am
Yes, Petter - but what about a 4,100 m "hump" on the Bolivian altiplano ( now that you've been there it is understood that when the valley floor is already at...
The same applies to the corresponding list of 4000 meter peaks in ... Indeed, not all HuMPs are humps! There is a traditional definition of a mountain being...
Hello, A good discussion about prominence, mountains and hills. Of course my mountain definition also requires that a mountain has two separate sides that drop...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 11, 2011 6:40 pm
Fred Johnson provides us think link with an interesting account of what makes a "mountain" in Great Britain. Topographic prominence forms part of the text. I'm...
I hearby propose that electrum be the designation for P4k's....
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Adam Helman
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Mar 12, 2011 1:15 am
Or perhaps, Ken, the "electrum" could be the designation for P1000 m summits - a cutoff value that is closer to the geometric mean of 600 and 1500 meters. ...
Good job Rick! I think they are good lists for sure. Are you familiar with the ORS/RORS measurement created by David Metzler and Edward Earl? I too found...
Thanks! Of course, most of the credit goes to Tim Worth. All I did was sort out the selected peaks and post the lists. Yes, I am familiar with the ORS/RORS...
Hi Adam I wonder if studying chemistry leads to a propensity to list-making and peakbagging, or perhaps it's the other way around. With a PhD in organic...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 14, 2011 7:45 pm
Hello Lee, The correlation between those creating and/or climbing peaks on OBJECTIVE lists and technical educational background has been noted time and again -...
Good summary Rick. Matt - No doubt, cross referencing prominence with ORS/RORS would yield different results. Using CO as an example, peaks such as Antero,...
... Are you saying that height-based lists are less objective? I would just say they use different criteria. On a related topic, what would you say about list...
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Adam Helman
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Mar 14, 2011 10:52 pm
Height-based lists ARE less objective, Roy, when (as is usually the case) they do not specify a prominence-based cutoff for list inclusion. ...
Rick---Most of my lists to date have indeed been "Finest" lists of the top N peaks in a region as ranked by Reduced ORS. These are usually what are of most...
David, have you approached Greg Slayden about possibly doing ORS calculations on some of his lists on Peakbagger.com? Or adding ORS-specific lists there? Bob ...
Hi David, I suppose I may have somewhat eclectic, catholic tastes in peaklists - and peaks. I like them all! Elevation, prominence, steepness, subjective...
