There seems to be a train of thought that island peaks gain prominence too easily, see below for an alternate view In the mid 1900's, thirsty Boston bought up...
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Andy Martin
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May 3, 2001 5:23 pm
(Roy) ... In this case I would count the prominence before the manmade activity took place. Could lead to interesting problems though - how many 300' summits...
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Andy Martin
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May 3, 2001 5:41 pm
(Jeff Howbert) The prominence of Sooes Peak is 1680 ft., not the 1960+ ft. summit elevation that you transcribed into your latest bracket list. Jeff "Baby...
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Andy Martin
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May 3, 2001 10:10 pm
(John Roper - wants to add in islands) ... (Andy) Well, a couple "drive ups" take out Rainier & Baker for starters. :) Mount Constitution at 2,407 is not going...
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Edward "7.389056099" ...
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May 4, 2001 6:45 am
I'm a bit skeptical that greatest prominence by elevation bracket is very meaningful, for two reasons. 1) For a given elevation (or bracket thereof) the peak...
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Bob and Rhonda Bolton
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May 4, 2001 2:35 pm
Ed, It seems to me that this new top 5 list still has much the same problem: very low saddles. The only one in the list with a decent saddle is Shasta. Mt....
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Edward "7.389056099" ...
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May 4, 2001 2:45 pm
(Hans H) ... SDTS ... Wonderful! I have successfully downloaded this and used it to convert a quad to native DEM format. Though I can't yet load it into my...
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Andy Martin
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May 4, 2001 4:49 pm
(Bob Bolton) ... (Andy) Would like some concrete examples here. For example, maybe in WA the most overrated by prominence is: Round Mountain, number 8 [on WA...
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Andy Martin
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May 5, 2001 12:02 am
(David - island bracket listing fixes) ... Right. What idiot put it in the 14,000+ bracket in the first place ? ... Done. Good one. ... That would be a tough...
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Bob and Rhonda Bolton
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May 5, 2001 6:22 am
(Edward or another moderator, please delete this message if the HTML doesn't render well. I have no way to test it. I'll be happy to re-post this with an...
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Bob Bolton
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May 5, 2001 6:34 am
Edward, I just posted my last message to another Yahoo group that I am the owner of, and the HTML rendered properly. In the other group many of us post HTML...
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Roy Schweiker
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May 7, 2001 1:17 am
I guess it depends on (like many things) whether people should be allowed to have varying grades of service or whether everyone should have the same [lower]...
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Howbert, Jeff (SEA)
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May 7, 2001 4:20 pm
I am in complete agreement with Ken Jones (see below) and others who are promoting the TOPO! state series as the superior product in electronic topographic map...
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Andy Martin
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May 7, 2001 4:39 pm
(Bob Bolton) ... (Andy) Have formatted Bob's work in plain ASCII (attached). Very much appreciate Bob sending this in - it is the first concrete attempt to...
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Andy Martin
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May 7, 2001 5:15 pm
(Eberhard Jurgalski) Because you mentioned the dominance theory, I prepared a top-dominance- table for the lower 48 with the facts I have. As the...
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Bob Bolton
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May 7, 2001 5:24 pm
Andy, a quick correction. The two right-hand columns are labeled in reverse. Grossly underrated should be the right-most column. Thanks for converting this...
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Edward "7.389056099" ...
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May 8, 2001 3:39 pm
(Andy) ... I have a lot of confidence in the "proportional prominence" measure that I proposed last year. To determine proportional prominence, one must first...
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Andy Martin
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May 8, 2001 5:31 pm
(Edward) I have a lot of confidence in the "proportional prominence" measure that I proposed last year. (Andy) I think what Bob is after is some way to...
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Andy Martin
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May 8, 2001 6:04 pm
(Andy) Apologies in advance if this gets posted twice. (Edward) I have a lot of confidence in the "proportional prominence" measure that I proposed last year. ...
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Gullskey@...
May 8, 2001 7:51 pm
Hi over there again ! I know you are all very good mathematicians and computer programmer, but it all cannot beat 20 years of world wide mountain comparisons...
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Mills, Carl
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May 8, 2001 7:54 pm
Esq., For those who have GIS software, I might propose "panoramic prominence" as an improvement over prominence. I want to promote the peak with a steep drop...
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Andy Martin
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May 8, 2001 9:55 pm
(John Vitz) Who takes care of the Prom FRL data ? (Andy) That would be me, though categories tracked are quite a bit scaled back from the county FRL data. The...
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Andy Martin
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May 9, 2001 4:38 pm
Some offline discussions - (Bob Bolton) ... Well, I would not discard it entirely, but for those that chase after listed peaks it is a very popular way to draw...
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Howbert, Jeff (SEA)
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May 10, 2001 1:29 am
Herewith a concept for overall mountain "impressiveness" that combines intuitive appeal, mathematical consistency, and ease of computation. The concept...
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Bob Bolton
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May 10, 2001 1:42 am
I didn't say that I would discard elevation as a consideration. I merely said that it means nothing when determining the [impressiveness] of a mountain. I...
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Bob Bolton
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May 10, 2001 5:37 am
Jeff, I won't give a complete reply now, not having the time to do so. I will say that impressiveness has nothing to do with prominence, so any reference to a...
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Bob Bolton
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May 10, 2001 6:37 am
Some more feedback on your thoughts. You used the word "peaky" to denote a measure of impressiveness. The sharper the peak, supposedly the more impressive....
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Howbert, Jeff (SEA)
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May 10, 2001 4:40 pm
Now that I've thought about it for more than 60 seconds, I realize the index calculation I proposed for the footprint method was simplistic and worse than...
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Andy Martin
martin@...
May 10, 2001 4:56 pm
Lets just "cherry pick" some of the more interesting tidbits from recent emails. (Jeff) Calculating the areas on a peak above a chosen elevation threshhold...
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Andy Martin
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May 10, 2001 9:40 pm
(Forwarded for Eberhard) If something do not work , please post these lines to the group. Eberhard Eberhard (Shuksan vs 14ers): You are completely right, Bob,...
