Went on my first hike yesterday with the "Professor" of county HPing, Bob Packard, along with Andy Bates and Ken of Flagstaff. We climbed an unnamed peak in...
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DavidWmOlson@...
Mar 8, 2001 12:23 am
(Andy Martin) "It is always a thrill for me when someone first completes a list I've worked on. Bob (WY, AZ50, AZ100), Fred L (ME, MA, RI), and Mike S. (NJ, PA...
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Andy Martin
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Mar 19, 2001 8:08 pm
(Jeff Howbert) Attached is the provisional list of all 2000 ft. prominent peaks in WA. I have gone over the NE and SE parts of the state with a fine-tooth...
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Andy Martin
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Mar 20, 2001 6:02 pm
To: Jeff, John, prominence email group - (Jeff Howbert) I learned not to count on DeLorme a long time ago (1995), when I was working on my Oregon Top 100 list....
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Howbert, Jeff (SEA)
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Mar 20, 2001 6:16 pm
Andy, John - By the way, if you want to really torture yourself figuring out a saddle, check out the terrain just SW of Grand Coulee Dam. The...
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Edward "7.389056099" ...
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Mar 21, 2001 6:53 am
... They are right, though maybe for the wrong reason. Here's why: Before white men came to North America, the North and South Branches of the Chicago River...
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DavidWmOlson@...
Mar 21, 2001 11:23 pm
Three points: 1. In the very olden days, if Andy's ancestor started walking from Tucson headed to New York City he/she would have to cross water. Tucson is...
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Edward "7.389056099" ...
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Apr 21, 2001 2:39 am
I have successfully procured a 1:50,000 scale map of the Champagne YK quad (115 A/16), which is the most detailed topo map that shows one of the possible ...
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David Metzler
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Apr 23, 2001 3:08 pm
For the Orizaba saddle I had found three possibilities (including Champagne YK) between 2300 and 2500 feet: Summit Lake (93J/7): 2316 to 2400 feet. L/L...
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Andy Martin
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Apr 24, 2001 5:12 pm
To: prominence email group, Bob Martin, Mark Nichols, Scott Surgent, Adam Helman, Levi Foust Those interested in math and hiking may like thus - Andy Summit...
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David Metzler
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Apr 25, 2001 3:42 am
A reply to Andy's Summit Mathematics Dilemma (quoted below) The correct answer is (basically) #2, although a better answer is 1/8 = 12.5%. I will try to...
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Edward "7.389056099" ...
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Apr 25, 2001 5:42 am
I have little to add to David's good explanation about peak, saddle, and prominence distributions within a contour interval. I was going to point out that a...
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Andy Martin
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Apr 25, 2001 4:20 pm
(Adam Helman) ... An interesting goal - climb a summit in each 1,000' bracket. State HPers are only missing 3 slots from 0 to 14, which can be rounded out by a...
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Andy Martin
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Apr 25, 2001 6:44 pm
More on brackets is attached. The lower 48 list is improved with Loma Prieta CA in the 3,000 to 3,999 slot. Also, state lists for CA, AZ, WA are attached....
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Edward "7.389056099" ...
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Apr 26, 2001 2:19 am
Using my hypothesis that prominence density is proportional to 1/(P^2), I've calculated the prominence density distribution for a peak whose summit and saddle...
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Andy Martin
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Apr 26, 2001 4:18 pm
(Andy) ... (Roy) Its always possible, but as it doesn't have a 3000' contour there is no present basis to believe this (Andy) Right, Checked the maps better,...
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Steven Gruhn
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Apr 26, 2001 5:05 pm
(Andy) Also did a quick AK bracket list, though checking is needed to determine if Veniaminof, Chiginagak, or Frosty Peak are on islands. (Steve) Frosty Peak,...
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DavidWmOlson@...
Apr 27, 2001 1:35 am
(Andy Martin) Subject: correction (Fred) ... (Andy Martin) Right. Purge the earlier list from your memory banks, insert following: (David Olson) Very good!...
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Roy Schweiker
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Apr 27, 2001 3:42 am
... I disagree. Doesn't the distribution function imply that both are biased downward? Prominence could still be nonuniformly distributed since the "skewness"...
... I guess it depends on how one defines "downward". The distribution function imples that S (as I defined it in my previous message) is biased downward, but...
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Andy Martin
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Apr 27, 2001 4:56 pm
(Roy S) Extra credit problem: You are trying to make a list of peaks with 100-meter (~328') prominence from maps with 20' & 40' contours. What is the...
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DavidWmOlson@...
Apr 28, 2001 1:56 am
(Andy's list) 1 ? Mount Abram ME 1,260 Roy Schweiker suggests: Green Mountain (NH) |1374|1884|Freedom |434605N0710211W|500+10|col SE|Ossipee Gilson...
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DavidWmOlson@...
Apr 29, 2001 1:41 am
(the list, as published by A. Martin) 0 ? Morro Rock CA 538+ Is sand spit natural ? Here is a better one: Superstition Mtn., CA, Imperial 800+...
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Howbert, Jeff (SEA)
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Apr 30, 2001 3:35 am
In the 1000-1999 ft. elevation bracket, the most prominent peak I'm aware of in WA is: Sooes Peak (USGS Neah Bay) 1960+ 280 1680 prominence which easily...
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Andy Martin
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Apr 30, 2001 5:17 pm
(Jeff Howbert) ... (Davd O) And remember, the list needs one more bracket, the "-0s"! (Andy) Done (Davd O) Here is a better one: Superstition Mtn., CA,...
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Andy Martin
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Apr 30, 2001 6:19 pm
(Fred Lobdell - bracket prominence) if you're excluding "island" peaks, then continental (= very large islands) high points must be excluded. (I'm referring...
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Edward "7.389056099" ...
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May 1, 2001 6:20 am
... First of all, I think only island HPs, not all island peaks, should be excluded. If you think about it, just about any bracket will be won by an island...
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Roy Schweiker
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May 3, 2001 3:18 pm
There seems to be a train of thought that island peaks gain prominence too easily, see below for an alternate view In the mid 1900's, thirsty Boston bought up...
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Andy Martin
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May 3, 2001 5:23 pm
(Roy) ... In this case I would count the prominence before the manmade activity took place. Could lead to interesting problems though - how many 300' summits...
