Well, adding the CMC rule to the new "worlds top 1000" category did not prove popular, so I've removed it [drive ups are allowed]. Initial list follows, but...
I have done some compter work on negative prominence, or "subsidence", of basins, with a few results of note. CA's Saline Valley, known to be the deepest sump...
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Adam Helman
helman@...
Jan 3, 2004 6:46 pm
Hello from Saline Valley (!), Actually from about 200-300 miles south in San Diego. It is not a coincidence that the deepest subsidences occur in some of the...
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andyadit@...
Jan 4, 2004 7:13 pm
South Mountain, January 2, 2004, Andy and Sarah Martin. Hiking this peak completes my quest after the 73 peaks in AZ with proven 2000' prominence. I enjoyed...
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Adam Helman
helman@...
Jan 4, 2004 8:08 pm
Congratulations, Andy. "73", as "- - ... ...--" in Morse code, is the standard salutation for amateur radio operators. Loosely translated, "Friendly...
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John & Karen Roper
jka.roper@...
Jan 5, 2004 1:34 am
Good going on the AZ 2000'P completion, Andy. Interesting that AZ has almost exactly half as many of these as WA. I won't be lonesome in WA on the cohps for...
<John> It's 2004 and I can already hear (even feel) the stomping of the clambering herd headed for Bonanza this summer. <Bob> True, but you'll still be...
I calculated the ruggedness of Washington state a while back; it's approximately 60, I believe. I'll recalculate it and get a better figure. I have not done...
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andyadit@...
Jan 5, 2004 3:53 am
(Adam Helman - Saline valley visit) ... Not sure I'd go much out of my way to head to the bottom of Saline Valley, though it would be worth a few grins to head...
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Mark D Adrian
markadrian@...
Jan 5, 2004 4:56 am
... I would think Death Valley would be the bigger sump. Badwater to Telescope Peak seems more dramatic to me intuitively. M ...
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Adam Helman
helman@...
Jan 5, 2004 7:44 am
Death Valley is certainly the more voluminous (and hence impressive) basin of the two. However we are measuring depth here. I think the best time to visit...
Hi, I am not quite sure I understand this discussion fully, the talk about "inverse Everest" etc.. I have visited the Dead Sea in Israel, elevation -1320 feet,...
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Adam Helman
helman@...
Jan 5, 2004 4:55 pm
Inverse prominence is just like normal prominence except that you consider deep valleys as having "negative prominence" with respect to HIGHER terrain. No new...
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andyadit@...
Jan 5, 2004 6:37 pm
This posting ran in prominence egroup some time ago, but is re-posted for benefit of those that missed it the first time. It is a good lead in for Edwards ...
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Mark D Adrian
markadrian@...
Jan 5, 2004 8:21 pm
... Actually, there is a fabulous attraction in Saline Valley. It's a very eclectic setting with recollections of the 60s flower children atmosphere. The place...
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Roy Schweiker
roy.schweiker@...
Jan 6, 2004 3:09 am
... Sorry to take so long, had a few things to look up ... Hmm, can't you replace "Finest" with a more descriptive term - yes, we still haven't found one but...
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Adam Helman
helman@...
Jan 6, 2004 6:48 am
Thank you, Roy, for the New England information. I can certainly incorporate it into my growing manuscript. I have received a mixed response from people...
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Gordon J. MacLeod
gjmacleod@...
Jan 7, 2004 2:00 am
Yesterday, I sent an email at 7:16 PM, which documented the "negative prominences" that I had just determined that afternoon for Saline Valley and Death...
All: The idea of going out of one's way to hike negative prominence points reminds me of one of my all time favorite Gary Larson Cartoons: His cartoon, making...
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andyadit@...
Jan 7, 2004 6:38 pm
(Gordon) ... (Andy) All the values in my "Big Hole" posting were manually derived off quads. No winprom analysis was used - not sure the program did that back...
Here is a rundown of some approximate spire-based ruggedness figures for various states (plus Saskatchewan). All figures are in meters, and basically measure...
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Gordon J. MacLeod
gjmacleod@...
Jan 7, 2004 11:08 pm
Hi Andy, You are to be commended for such keen craftsmanship in determining the "subsidence" for so many basins and with such accuracy too, as reflected in ...
Good stuff!! I'd like to see UT, VT, and NH! You can easily see why this sort of measurement was desired in the first place, with WA kicking the rears of the...
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Adam Helman
helman@...
Jan 8, 2004 12:30 am
This looks good, David M. Thank you. I've cc'ed Bob Packard since he is quite interested in these statewide values - values that result from essentially a...
Good list Edward, I checked it off against a similar list I did manually with maps a year ago but never completed, and it matches well. We had the same top...
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John & Karen Roper
jka.roper@...
Jan 8, 2004 6:03 am
I'd still lobby for calling the saddle that defines a peak's prominence as "Noah's Saddle." It gives the visual of water rising to this saddle in the next...
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Adam Helman
helman@...
Jan 8, 2004 6:40 am
I like "Noah's Saddle". To those who know the biblical story and hence are able to make the connection, "Noah's Saddle" immediately invokes images of the...
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John & Karen Roper
jka.roper@...
Jan 8, 2004 2:53 pm
One of my prominence compatriots wrote back by PM: "I love Noah's Saddle - makes all kinds of sense, and who doesn't know the story? But "western Bible"????...
I looked a little at worldwide depressions and came up with the following. First, as Petter noted, the "inverse Everest" really is the Dead Sea, since it is...
Good point about the Dead Sea. I also wonder about places like Death Valley which are below sea level. Clearly there is no lower point to use as a measure of...
