........ for those of you .... needing a fin having less draft
like in the caribean .....

we now have the diamond hvf ..... with on optimized out line !
being shorter in both directions

having almost the same efficiency !

being especially needed in very large hvps
since the draft ist there principally even more ....

and the physical handling of .... being even more critical !
like hauling it out of the water ....

...... do you remember back in 2001 ?

wenn you mentioned to have the fin hanging .....
so the whole boot would not have to follow the waves !

well ... mean time I found out ....
some people had been playing with this idea back in the 1970 !

but ... even though it seem >>> the only way to fly <<<

nobody so far has come up with some design
to work under all circumstances

we ...... at >>> http://de.groups.yahoo.com/proadesignde
have been coming up with some practical ways to make it work !

I reckon you still can under stand the language ........

here abouts we only post .... some .... of the result !
since nobody seems really interested .....

its kind of hard to under stand all of it ... too
even the vfp is harder then just weight

but the hvfp is much more complicated even .... then that !

--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> ...... great show > http://www.myvideo.de/watch/6868311/test4t





..... and in test4u.wmv .... at files > folder > hvfp model tests >

you can see what happens .....

if the hinge does not have enough play
so the fin can move back ward
as a result of the resistance in the water >>>

to have a certain aoa at all times  !
especially when flying high ......

see the pictures 100 0090 / 91jpg at the same place for details
on such a model hinge .....

but it will be different on a full size !
having the same effect .... though ....






> --- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ....... you can take a look at the new hvf from mike
> > > here at " files " > " hvp model test " > " test4 first ride.wmv "
> >
> >
> >
> > and some more > test4x.wmv
> >
>

...... great show > http://www.myvideo.de/watch/6868311/test4t


--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@...> wrote:
>
> --- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ....... you can take a look at the new hvf from mike
> > here at " files " > " hvp model test " > " test4 first ride.wmv "
>
>
>
> and some more > test4x.wmv
>

--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> ....... you can take a look at the new hvf from mike
> here at " files " > " hvp model test " > " test4 first ride.wmv "



and some more > test4x.wmv

....... you can take a look at the new hvf from mike
here at " files " > " hvp model test " > " test4 first ride.wmv "

...... under www.proatech.org > 100 0053 > 60

you now can look at the building process from the 1/4 hvf ......

....... some table saws are running too fast !

heating up the foam on cutting
making the cut less then perfect !

this type of equipment has mostly universal power motors
meaning you can use an external power control device

or just a power diode with a power capacitor in parallel
this being in series with the table saw circuit ......

you will hear the difference right away
because it will make like a stuttering sound
because only half of the sinus is driving the motor ....

and will be running slower because of it !

make sure you are not using either of those
on capacitor start ac motors !

since they need the full power cycle to run with out problems
and those are mostly slow enough any ways ........

...... we are now talking about ....

using uni directional fibers on the hvf now
as well as the rest of the hvp building ......

there is less waste .... less weigth !

....... under www.proatech.org .... > hvfp........wmv

you can as well see some videos from the " camara man "  now !



--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@...> wrote:
>
>
> ..... since .....
>
> only a quick time player shows the mov videos always right !
>
> we have now cut those with a qt pro ......
>
> you will find them under www.proatech.org instead of the old >
> all the way on the top 100_00.......mov
>
> and try to play them with a qt player
> since other wise the pictures shown >
>
> may be distorted .....
>

..... since .....

only a quick time player shows the mov videos always right !

we have now cut those with a qt pro ......

you will find them under www.proatech.org instead of the old >
all the way on the top 100_00.......mov

and try to play them with a qt player
since other wise the pictures shown >

may be distorted .....

....... we got now a new hinge developed for the hvf ........

this being tested soon >

you can see some drawings now at " files " >
in the " csh " folder !

--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@...> wrote:
>
> --- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ...... with the new provider package .....
> > we as well have some blogs coming with it !
> >
> > http://blog.proadesign.com/
> >
> > and since we as well have a lot more web space >
> > we will load up more videos in the original form !
> >
> > so every one can look at them in slow motion ....
> > individual frames etc
> >
> > it will most likely be in www.proatech.org
> > look for a # like > 100 0009.mov
>
>
>
> ............ the cuts from the raw footage >
> have a letter between like 100 010a.mov



....... those clips dont work on some qt players !

if so > just get the free vlc player from www.videolan.org




> > and .... http://pictures.interproa.org
> > will be used for screen shoots and still pictures ......
> >
>

--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@...> wrote:
>
>
> ...... with the new provider package .....
> we as well have some blogs coming with it !
>
> http://blog.proadesign.com/
>
> and since we as well have a lot more web space >
> we will load up more videos in the original form !
>
> so every one can look at them in slow motion ....
> individual frames etc
>
> it will most likely be in www.proatech.org
> look for a # like > 100 009.mov



............ the cuts from the raw footage >
have a letter between like 100 0010a.mov




> and .... http://pictures.interproa.org
> will be used for screen shoots and still pictures ......
>

...... with the new provider package .....
we as well have some blogs coming with it !

http://blog.proadesign.com/

and since we as well have a lot more web space >
we will load up more videos in the original form !

so every one can look at them in slow motion ....
individual frames etc

it will most likely be in www.proatech.org
look for a # like > 100 009.mov

and .... http://pictures.interproa.org
will be used for screen shoots and still pictures ......

--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "jhargrovewright2" <jhargrovewright2@...>
wrote:
>
> Jack,
> at the very bottom of this e-mail click on "files", a list will come
> up and you pick "how to order" and it will tell you everything.
> This shortcut might work
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proadesign/files/
> johninbastrop
> Fritz is a genius but smoothe as a saw blade.



..... john ..... I am not a genius !

just not stupid enough >
to think being nice is always the best thing to do ..........





> --- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ....... its all in " files " > how to order a vfp plan !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn"
> > <barbaraspoering@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All -
> > >
> > >     There are so many different Yahoo sites going back so far
> that I
> > > really don't want to spend a day searching.    Can anyone tell me
> what
> > > the cost of a set of building plans for the VFP 25 is.
> > >
> > >                          Thanks - Jack Spoering
> > >
> >
>

Jack,
at the very bottom of this e-mail click on "files", a list will come
up and you pick "how to order" and it will tell you everything.
This shortcut might work
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proadesign/files/
johninbastrop
Fritz is a genius but smoothe as a saw blade.


--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ....... its all in " files " > how to order a vfp plan !
>
>
>
>
> --- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn"
> <barbaraspoering@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All -
> >
> >     There are so many different Yahoo sites going back so far
that I
> > really don't want to spend a day searching.    Can anyone tell me
what
> > the cost of a set of building plans for the VFP 25 is.
> >
> >                          Thanks - Jack Spoering
> >
>

....... its all in " files " > how to order a vfp plan !




--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "spoeringjohn"
<barbaraspoering@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All -
>
>     There are so many different Yahoo sites going back so far that I
> really don't want to spend a day searching.    Can anyone tell me what
> the cost of a set of building plans for the VFP 25 is.
>
>                          Thanks - Jack Spoering
>

Hello All -

     There are so many different Yahoo sites going back so far that I
really don't want to spend a day searching.    Can anyone tell me what
the cost of a set of building plans for the VFP 25 is.

                          Thanks - Jack Spoering

....... we got some tests done just to lee ward of the beach >

test 010 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRvK7T8wT9I
the wind went around > and so the model .......

test 011 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOwdVKpR79U
and again ... and again .....

test 012 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kSAQNeAGOs
see what happens > if a strong gust gets on the wrong side !
and see the spurts from about 2:01 on !

test 013 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6ocFvxXdt8
going home .....

test 014 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EgNUMIqwAg
finnaly landing save and sound !

we are just looking forward to test this concept in the next sizes !

http://de.video.yahoo.com/watch/4171522/11227490
http://de.video.yahoo.com/watch/4171544/11227594
http://de.video.yahoo.com/watch/4171979/11228837


with this much wind > you can see how the fin is over powered >
on any big wave

so .... we will make the draft more on the bigger model !

...... here are a few more clips from the model testing >


http://de.video.yahoo.com/watch/4050831/10945397
http://de.video.yahoo.com/watch/4051211/10946363
http://de.video.yahoo.com/watch/4050934/10945685
http://de.video.yahoo.com/watch/4051298/10946602







--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "proatechnology"
<proatechnology@...> wrote:
>
>
> http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3995851/10825965
> http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3995836/10825934
> http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3995830/10825911
> http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3995820/10825883
>

........ carlos has already posted
the new video links at the proa file !

but they dont work >
because there are > spaces > in them !

so maybe you can post them right ?




--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_roth" <fritz_roth@...> wrote:
>
> --- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, john h wright
> <jhargrovewright2@> wrote:
> >
> > Fritz,
> > May I post these video links to proa_file?
>
>
>
> ..... good idea ...... john !
>
>
>
>
> > I think they are very instructive to the function of the HVP concept.
>
>
>
> ...... you could as well take the message >
> " hinge " along with it
>
> because this is a very important aspect of it !
>
>
>
>
>
> > john wright
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > Enhance your landscaping with a beautiful new fence. Click now!
> >
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw35Rk6UZ02VVQMQfxEqSZR8hFnAbN1o\
2Ci1MBQrOVKWT9ViW/
> >
>

--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, john h wright
<jhargrovewright2@...> wrote:
>
> Fritz,
> May I post these video links to proa_file?



..... good idea ...... john !




> I think they are very instructive to the function of the HVP concept.



...... you could as well take the message >
" hinge " along with it

because this is a very important aspect of it !





> john wright
> ____________________________________________________________
> Enhance your landscaping with a beautiful new fence. Click now!
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw35Rk6UZ02VVQMQfxEqSZR8hFnAbN1o\
2Ci1MBQrOVKWT9ViW/
>

Fritz,
May I post these video links to proa_file?
I think they are very instructive to the function of the HVP concept.
john wright
____________________________________________________________
Enhance your landscaping with a beautiful new fence. Click now!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw35Rk6UZ02VVQMQfxEqSZR8hFnAbN1o\
2Ci1MBQrOVKWT9ViW/

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3995851/10825965
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3995836/10825934
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3995830/10825911
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3995820/10825883

....... if you are building a hvp ......

be shure to have some play in your hinge !
because of the different dynamics of the hvp .....

you can see how to do this > " files " >
" modification of my 31' " >>>>> 2x drawings

if you are interested in the reason for needing some play in the hinge >
see the post on this in the proatech group !

--- In proadesign@yahoogroups.com, jwhawkins1@... wrote:
>
> don't forget, send the link.....



...... a link wont work >

if you are not a member or not logged in .......
thats why I am showing the place where its at !



> Joe
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/19/2008 3:01:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> fritz_roth@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ....... for any one ... wanting the most simple proa of them all  >
>
> take a look at > files > 2008 vfp !
>
> this concept will  be slower then a hvp in short & steep waves
> but in any thing else >  it should do just fine .....
>
>
>
>
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>

don't forget, send the link.....

Joe



In a message dated 10/19/2008 3:01:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fritz_roth@... writes:






....... for any one ... wanting the most simple proa of them all  >

take a look at > files > 2008 vfp !

this concept will  be slower then a hvp in short & steep waves
but in any thing else >  it should do just fine .....




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....... for any one ... wanting the most simple proa of them all >

take a look at > files > 2008 vfp !

this concept will be slower then a hvp in short & steep waves
but in any thing else > it should do just fine .....