John Dalziel wrote: lots of stuff then..... ... From the wording I would think that if you were to put up any technical information you wanted copyright over...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 1, 2001 11:48 am
hello - the windwardsail is - on a single mast rig - the greatest thing ever first - it lowers your overall ce drastically - because it pushes below the...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 1, 2001 11:53 am
to michael schacht I did write the htms in response to your questions - because I anticipated them from a lot of others later - so the time was well spend - ...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 1, 2001 12:49 pm
thanks dave - for telling everybody ! fritz...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 1, 2001 12:50 pm
doug - could you draw this up for me ? thanks - fritz...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 1, 2001 12:52 pm
... kites dancing in my head. A thought occurs to me. Why not an ama ... kite flying through the water ( which is far more dense than air ). ... submerged,...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 1, 2001 12:53 pm
to all who tried to go to the western rig the url is - http://www.proagenesis.org/western_rig.htm fritz...
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Mark Thomasson
MarkT@...
Feb 1, 2001 1:10 pm
Hey guys & gals, its a great service and free so dont knock it. p.s. why dont i get porn sites i did not ask for! ... From: ted LAMONT...
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Michael Schacht
michael@...
Feb 1, 2001 4:49 pm
First, if ... This auto re-set thing is becoming common. I'll bet we will see that we need to frequently re-choose non-html mail in the future. I can't really...
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K_S_ONeill@...
Feb 1, 2001 5:17 pm
I found the group through the MHML. I hate html mail, I hate spam, and I don't really like ads. OTOH, I've never tried to run a majordomo or similar list; I...
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lcoquilleau@...
Feb 1, 2001 6:28 pm
... John, My set up through Yahoo! was painless, really. I had already a user ID for free email. I found the e-group list through search engines on the web. ...
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Brian Southwood
briansou@...
Feb 1, 2001 7:25 pm
Would this be like the Hapa that Robert Biegler described earlier on this list? Cheers, Peter ... From: fritz_roth@... To: proa_file@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
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Dave Culp
dave@...
Feb 1, 2001 7:56 pm
Somebody asked how we found this group. I was personally invited by the group's moderator. Doesn't that make me special! :-) To (slightly) more weighty...
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Dave Culp
dave@...
Feb 1, 2001 8:04 pm
... Yes, this is indeed the original hapa concept. Doug, if you can get your hands on AYRS' publication #114, Ultimate Sailing, you'll find the entire first...
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Rob Denney
CARBONDESIGN@...
Feb 1, 2001 11:30 pm
G'day Fritz, A few points about the western rig vs Ballestron rigs from your web page 1) Unless the mainsail is fully battened, it is a pretty inefficient plan...
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John Dalziel
johndl@...
Feb 1, 2001 11:35 pm
... I have to agree that the idea of Yahoo "stealing" information, on weird boats, which we are putting up freely in public is pretty far- fetched. But at the...
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urapinhead@...
Feb 2, 2001 5:49 am
... John: I must confess, and please forgive me, I am an attorney. Fortunately I dont do trademark or copyright law(nice clean criminal defense for me), so I...
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Jukka Vaijärvi
jukka.vaijarvi@...
Feb 2, 2001 7:51 am
... Real ... anyway). Dave, would it be possible to use kites and hapa only, eliminating the proa altogethet. I suppose there would be a kind of light,...
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fgh@...
Feb 2, 2001 8:49 am
... kites dancing in my head. A thought occurs to me. Why not an ama ... kite flying through the water ( which is far more dense than air ). ... submerged,...
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fgh@...
Feb 2, 2001 9:09 am
... a ... in ... Hi again, I must admit I have been too slow on finding the similarities between kites and hapas! There is a lot of guys telling the same! ...
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Robert Biegler
Robert.Biegler@...
Feb 2, 2001 9:28 am
... That would have two consequences: At least one line would be underwater, giving you drag (Dave Culp can tall you all about trying to streamline kite ...
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ted LAMONT
tlamont@...
Feb 2, 2001 9:55 am
Rob, it's the action aspects of different rigs which Fritz and you (re)present here, that i would address with video footage (Mb'age) of real proas doing real ...
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fgh@...
Feb 2, 2001 11:51 am
I see at least one advantage in favour of the underwater kite: It can be carried deep as to prevent surfacing in waves. Regards Fulgencio ... underwater, ... ...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 2, 2001 12:04 pm
... hi there rob - and all others ...... ... page ... inefficient plan well it is ! see http://www.proagenesis.org (proa.jpg) ... look at the rigging - you...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 2, 2001 12:14 pm
... can ... two ... kite, ... before, ... admit ... wow - great ideas - but what happens when the wind drops dead ? do you all fall into the water ? really now...
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fritz_roth@...
Feb 2, 2001 12:17 pm
... (re)present ... proas doing real ... see something ... the best ... sheets in ... think we know ... boats better than ... and form. yes - I am planning on...
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Dave Culp
dave@...
Feb 2, 2001 7:28 pm
... Yes; the Hagedoorn article is all about eliminating the hull completely. Hagedoorn envisioned the system as something a parachuting pilot could lower in a...
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richard@...
Feb 3, 2001 3:49 pm
John, I found this forum through Michael's web page Richard Bumpus. ... From: "John Dalziel" <johndl@...> To: <proa_file@yahoogroups.com> Sent:...
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Gerd Holthausen
infogerd@...
Feb 3, 2001 4:49 pm
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Michael Schacht
michael@...
Feb 3, 2001 5:30 pm
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