Hey guys, I'm currently in a debate with some pre-trib's about this verse. I have made the argument that the Greek, 'ek', has the idea of 'out from within' and...
Here's my footnote on this issue. While it doesn't answer your question, the point is, I'm not sure "ek" is a productive use of time. I've done extensive ...
Here is Gundry's discussion: Revelation 3:10 Concerning “ek” (From Gundry) Our first major question concerns the exact force of the Greek preposition EK,...
In addition and probably most important is the idea that we should not place too much focus on Rev. 3:10 but rather use it as a support to what we find ...
Hi, guys. I know I asked this before, but Dave B's the only one who's reposted his review of Before God's Wrath on Amazon.com. I re-released it, so all of its...
I am a soldier in the in the army of my God. The Lord Jesus Christ is my Commanding Officer. The Holy Bible is my code of conduct. Faith, prayer and the Word...
Good stuff Ron-yeah Rev. 3;10 shouldn't be used as a "proof text", but more of a supportive text. It is not as explicit as others. Having said that-some good...
Hi Jenn, You write: jen>Also, I did get to go and read Dave Bussard's comments on Rev. 3:10 and he stated two possiblilities about what the "hour of...
whoops - - Thus the CONDITIONAL factor for being kept is removed. The details can be found at message #1835 along with the much discussion that follows in the...
Well, Ron, I would say this-if it is the Day of the Lord, then all your arguments which you just used to disprove the pretribulationist using as a proof text...
That there is conditionality in this verse is clear simply becuase God's judgment begins at the house of God. I am including a quick quote below from A.W....
That's because the arguments about tereo ek are inconclussive. Yes, the ones that support - out from the midst of the trib, are impressive. The pretribbers,...
Ron>PROBABLY a better translation is: v. 9b, "-behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you because you have...
The litmus test must never be the convincing of pretribbers Ron:) That is a lost battle. Some of course will, but the majority, nothing will convince....
... That fact that judgment begins with the house of God does not prove that there is a conditional factor at Rev. 3.10. In fact - it has nothing to do with...
Please keep the calvinistic theology out of this discussion. ... Plus Pinks quote.< It is divisive and not pertinant to the study of prophecy. In grace, ron - ...
When any of you get some time, I would like to see you write short pieces about the "this generation" argument that preterists always use. "This generation"...
... "This generation" clearly means what it ... see it, the ones in an end times context. How much meat can we come up with for ... together?< "the ones in...
I can see Ron's point in this verse, but it presents two problems for me. First, the Day of the Lord is described throughout scripture as... 1. Judgment (in a...
Ron Yes, it's obvious, and your answer is the correct answer, but I was hoping to hear an amazing new angle on the passage from someone that the rest of us had...
hl>Here, Ron wants to apply this verse to the Day of Lord by ascribing it as ... 1. Test 2. on believers I have a problem with this. < Yeah - I have a problem...
Well, that is probably the issue. I don't see the day of the Lord as even a trial for unbelievers. It is not a temptation or a trial. It is a bloodbath....
jen>I don't see the day of the Lord as even a trial for unbelievers. It is not a temptation or a trial. It is a bloodbath. < Right - it’s not temptation,...
Yes, I understand the groups to which you refer. But there is no opportunity for turning for those who take the mark-which is by far the greater percentage of...
Concerning the historicist position, that "this generation" will see all of these things occur definely shows that the signs of the end are not processes that...
Hmm..that is good. Thanks Jenn ... From: Eddie Greene To: prewrathonly@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [PreWrathOnly] Re:...
And the other thing about the 144k and the like is that they make those decisions at the midpoint-not at the Day of the Lord, or in it. Jenn ... From: "Ron...
I apologize for my incomplete answer. I opperated on an assumption. Of course - those who take the mark have already made their decision. They get no other...
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