Just a reminder, there are only 3 days left to sign up for the Salton Sea Fly-In
for $55, After Tuesday at midnight the price goes up to $85. Sign up here:
http://store.ParaToys.com

A few additions to the fly in:

We will have an USPPA instructor's course available, only a few slots left.

We will be have our ParaToys/Dudek collaboration Nucleon on display
http://ParaToys.com/news.html

There will be many clinics this year, more details to come.

We look forward to seeing you there!

On a separate note, ParaToys is offering free shipping in the United States or
pick up at Salton Sea on any orders before the event.

-------------- Original message from "sonny" <s_michalsky@...>: --------------

 

Hey Bud I have a n.I.B. medium Airflex wing here if you would wish to demo the wing.

 

Thanks for the offer Sonny, but I'm happy with the Action GT at this point.  It could be that the handling is better with the Airflex but I can't imagine enough of a difference that I would buy and sell at this point.   Paramania did not see it with the Fusion, but again, I don't really know - just a guess.

Before answering this post, I read the Airflex manual.  It reads a lot like the other Paramania manuals, but there is a difference.  It is not definitive concerning is it a 'Reflex Wing' as I defined it as Gin does not suggest or recommend how to handle more and more turbulence - active flying vs trim out!  Or at least I could not find it.  Why is that?  I don't know.  It could be some kind of marketing in terms of pg pilots, but heck if I really know.  I think that there is a 99% chance that Michael or Pascal knows whether this is a Reflex wing as I defined it or not.  Do you or do you not let the trim out for more safety?  The answer could be that for a very experienced, on top of his game, active flying pilot, letting the trim out vs trim in actively flying is a toss up.   If so, that is not the case with the Paramania wings, you let the trim out, period.

Interesting.

Bud

 

 

 

If you send me your mail address I will be happy to send it to you for demo. Or you can call me at 713 725 2885 I also have a friend who dives 18 wheels to N.O. all the time I could send it by him.

I alos have a Roadster and I find the wings completely different. As far as I know the AirFlex is full reflex. Has wing tip steering, all instructions are printed on the risers. The only thig I have found is the risers are a little hard to let out, but Chris just met with Gin last week and he said they were working on A new set of risers.

sonny

Hey Bud I have a n.I.B. medium Airflex wing here if you would wish to demo the
wing.


  If you send me your mail address I will be happy  to send it to you for demo.
Or you can call me at 713 725 2885  I also have a friend who dives 18 wheels to 
N.O. all the time I could send it by him.

  I alos have a Roadster and I find the wings completely different.  As far as I
know the AirFlex  is full reflex. Has wing tip steering, all instructions are
printed on the risers.   The only thig I have found is the risers are a little
hard to let out, but Chris just met with Gin last week and he said they were
working on  A new set of risers.

  sonny

-------------- Original message from "sonny" <s_michalsky@...>: --------------

 

Chris Santacrose sent me this. This is also the comments made by the few who have flown the wing here:

From Chris:::
One of the guys flew the Airflex glider you sent Barry yesterday and came back with a big smile on his face. His words....."very sporty". He has an Ozone Roadster but said he liked the Gin more.

 

 

 

Hi Sonny,

Interesting, but it seems to me that more pertinent questions remain.

Is the Airflex a Reflex wing vs. the Roadster and other 'semi' reflex wings?  By that I mean only Paramania and Dudek  Reflex Wings are such that you Let the Trim Out to increase Safety Without active flying.  All other wings you pull the trim in and Active Fly the wing for safety.  So what is the Airflex??

IF the Airflex is a Reflex Wing defined above, how does it compare with the other Reflex Wings? - handling, speed, l/d, etc.

Bud

 

 

sonny

Chris Santacrose sent me this.  This is also the comments made by the few who
have flown the wing here:

  From Chris:::
  One of the guys flew the Airflex glider you sent Barry yesterday and came back
with a big smile on his face. His words....."very sporty". He has an Ozone
Roadster but said he liked the Gin more.

  sonny

Does flying warm and toasty suits you?
This is what i have found.
  Flew for a long time with Gerbins electric jacket liner and duel
controller ( controller keeps gloves and jacket at two differnt temps.) and
ele.glove liners.
Yes it was warm, but lots of problems.
With the controller, I went thru one each year ( under warranty }
Short in jacket, in 3 yrs used 20 times ( under warranty),
Jacket did not breath was sweaty all the time!!  could not put it on at home!
You had to strip down at flying spot to put  on jacket  near your skin.
Gerbins old style thin glove liners, worked well  but i had to fight with two
thin layers over top ,to make them warm .
( shorted in 3 yrs ) they discontued this product!
  The new style Gerbins glove liners not near as flexible, threw them out !
So I started all over!!!
  I now have Warm and Safe jacket liner.
  It breaths well, no sweating, streaches as well good fit , you can wear it to
the field and set up and fly.
The NEW remote controller has  NO WIRES.
a small reciver unit tucks into its pocket in jacket no need to ever  remove it
.
The tiny controller mounts on risers or harness anywhere you want,
NO WIRES to connect to it!
Now you can control the gloves warmer
and jacket cooler so easy.
warm breathable and heated calor.
the best gloves for this system
are Gerbins g3  heated motorcycle gloves
wile not as dexterous as the old liners
with the two thin outer layers,
they are thin and dexterous enough
to do every thing you need to do to launch,
except turn on my gps .
So i turn it on pryor to launch.
At 29 degrees i flew for 2+ hrs  gloves at  just over 1/2 power,
jacket at just under 1/2 power.
Warm and toasty!
  This gear will keep you warm to
-1 degrees ( hope i never find out }.
You will need a power source,
  a 10 amp battery is good for 3 + hrs.
powering both the jacket and gloves.
  You might  get by with 5 amps for 2 hrs
at 20 degrees or so.
So now you can fly all winter, no excuses<  it is just a matter of good gear
you may have over 10 grand in total gear just sitting their
waiting for it to be warm.
spend 500 or so and fly 1/3 more
Fly warm
Joe Hill,
    pagojetjoe
Fly or die trying!
Ps.
No money was given.
i have no part of this company.
  This gear was given for my evaluation,
with the understanding i would whatever the out come of my tests
tell the fliers what i found.
  Have found the good stuff! Halaluya

Beating women?

This could come in handy: http://goingapps.com/default.aspx specially when you
forget your wind guage!

Salut,

It is restarting for Mathieu and Emilia.
They are just before the last! :-(

Their blog is already very intersting.
http://ultimatethailandexplorers.com/no_cache/finalists/

Sylvain.

Mine came with trimmers.

--- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "showtimeflyboy" <borntofly767@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, kind sir, I have compared the numbers and they simply do not mesh with
your claims. The Eden 4 out performs the K2 in speed comparisons and efficiency.
Also, the K2, being designed for 'hike and fly' pilots is made from super
lightweight material which is not as durable. Does the K2 come with motor trim?
>
> --- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, Rob Mcgee <robmcmgee@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Dell <imasuper0308@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Dell <imasuper0308@>
> > Subject: Message not approved: Fw: [ppgwings] Eden 4/K2, Truth without spin
> > To: "Rob Mcgee" <robmcmgee@>
> > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 1:19 AM
> >
> >
> > It needs to be accurate to post here.  The K2 is faster, more efficient,
safer and auto stable while also being about half the weight.  Try one and be
open to the truth.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 11/23/09, showtimeflyboy <borntofly767@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: showtimeflyboy <borntofly767@>
> > > Subject: [ppgwings] Eden 4/K2, Truth without spin
> > > To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 5:04 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was training a pilot at the beach recently with an Eden 4. Another
instructor's student was working with his K2. Watching them side by side, the
student on the Eden 4 seemed to be having an easier time of it. The Eden 4 is
faster and has a better glide ratio, too. The Eden 4 is incredibly stable, as
well.
> > >
> > > Funny how everyone wants to compare their wonderful new glider to the
Eden.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > --- In ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com, "Jeff" <itgperformance@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I never flew a Eden 3 but I did kite one. They definitely come up pretty
easily but the k2 just makes it even easier. You really don't even feel it
coming up ( you can still feel if its coming up more on one side)behind you but
when it gets up it builds lift very quickly. You can let off the A's with the
wing just past the 45 degree mark and it will still come up. I have some videos
on youtube under the name blacke30 if you want to check out some flying with the
k2.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > --- In ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave Halcomb" <dhalcomb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Easy launching is what I am always looking for. How do you compare the
launch characteristics to an Eden 3-4? I have kited quite a few gliders in my
time trying to find one that comes up as easy as the Edens. I've found a few
that are close but nothing seems to be better. I'm always looking for wings that
my students can learn to kite with faster. There are a lot of good beginner
wings when it comes to safety but not many, if any at all that are a breeze to
kite.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Jeff
> > > > > To: ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:09 PM
> > > > > Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a nice wing, I fly one and love it. Does about 27mph with the
trimmers out (44kmh) Its definitely faster than 46 if you were to use the
speedbar but I have not tried that so I cant state that for sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Definitely the easier glider I have ever launched and is so forgiving
when you don't launch correctly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com, "Ed" <Ed@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Presumably this is the Sky Cima K2 he's on about?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _____
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com]
On Behalf
> > > > > > Of Rob Mcgee
> > > > > > Sent: 17 November 2009 18:56
> > > > > > To: ppgbiglist; ppg wings yahoo groups
> > > > > > Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dell. think he only one for wing info.this guy is not for
reel...this is
> > > > > > very funny post..must read.roberto
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dell <imasuper0308@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Dell <imasuper0308@ >
> > > > > > Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2
> > > > > > To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup s.com
> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:18 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They don't have the K2 on there and the information they have on
other wings
> > > > > > is very inaccurate so I would not rely on them as a source. There
are only 2
> > > > > > guaranteed accurate sources for information that I know of. Either
listen to
> > > > > > me, or try it yourself lol. Also realize I am a serious enthusiast
to the
> > > > > > sport. No way in heck would I be flying a piece of crap. You can be
dang
> > > > > > sure that whatever I am flying on a regular basis is freaking
awesome. This
> > > > > > is the first and only extremely safe beginner glider that has
replaced my
> > > > > > entire arsenol. The last glider I bought for myself personally in
every size
> > > > > > was the U-Turn Obsession. That's a freaking awesome glider too but
the K2
> > > > > > matched the glide performance, bested the handling, increase ease of
> > > > > > launching, speed and safety and added auto stability. The K2 is off
the
> > > > > > charts awesome. I now have one in every size as my glider of choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My second choice would be the Obsession so look at both gliders if
you are
> > > > > > looking for dang awesome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just get a K2, you simply don't see people trying what I tell them
to and
> > > > > > coming back saying I was totally sales pitching them. I just don't
do that.
> > > > > > I state it exactly as I see it and no more. If I find something
better, I'll
> > > > > > be flying it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup
> > > > > > <http://us.mc653. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=PPGTRUTH%
40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > > s.com, "crasig37" <craig37@ > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > can you identify the k2 wing your selling I would like to compare
it on
> > > > > > (para 2000)site and is this a mountain or minimal glider with vary
few lines
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>

Sorry, kind sir, I have compared the numbers and they simply do not mesh with
your claims. The Eden 4 out performs the K2 in speed comparisons and efficiency.
Also, the K2, being designed for 'hike and fly' pilots is made from super
lightweight material which is not as durable. Does the K2 come with motor trim?

--- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, Rob Mcgee <robmcmgee@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Dell <imasuper0308@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dell <imasuper0308@...>
> Subject: Message not approved: Fw: [ppgwings] Eden 4/K2, Truth without spin
> To: "Rob Mcgee" <robmcmgee@...>
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 1:19 AM
>
>
> It needs to be accurate to post here.  The K2 is faster, more efficient, safer
and auto stable while also being about half the weight.  Try one and be open to
the truth.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 11/23/09, showtimeflyboy <borntofly767@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: showtimeflyboy <borntofly767@...>
> > Subject: [ppgwings] Eden 4/K2, Truth without spin
> > To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 5:04 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > I was training a pilot at the beach recently with an Eden 4. Another
instructor's student was working with his K2. Watching them side by side, the
student on the Eden 4 seemed to be having an easier time of it. The Eden 4 is
faster and has a better glide ratio, too. The Eden 4 is incredibly stable, as
well.
> >
> > Funny how everyone wants to compare their wonderful new glider to the Eden.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > --- In ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com, "Jeff" <itgperformance@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I never flew a Eden 3 but I did kite one. They definitely come up pretty
easily but the k2 just makes it even easier. You really don't even feel it
coming up ( you can still feel if its coming up more on one side)behind you but
when it gets up it builds lift very quickly. You can let off the A's with the
wing just past the 45 degree mark and it will still come up. I have some videos
on youtube under the name blacke30 if you want to check out some flying with the
k2.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > --- In ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com, "Dave Halcomb" <dhalcomb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Easy launching is what I am always looking for. How do you compare the
launch characteristics to an Eden 3-4? I have kited quite a few gliders in my
time trying to find one that comes up as easy as the Edens. I've found a few
that are close but nothing seems to be better. I'm always looking for wings that
my students can learn to kite with faster. There are a lot of good beginner
wings when it comes to safety but not many, if any at all that are a breeze to
kite.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Dave
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Jeff
> > > > To: ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:09 PM
> > > > Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is a nice wing, I fly one and love it. Does about 27mph with the
trimmers out (44kmh) Its definitely faster than 46 if you were to use the
speedbar but I have not tried that so I cant state that for sure.
> > > >
> > > > Definitely the easier glider I have ever launched and is so forgiving
when you don't launch correctly.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > > --- In ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com, "Ed" <Ed@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Presumably this is the Sky Cima K2 he's on about?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > From: ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:ppgwings@yahoogroup s.com] On
Behalf
> > > > > Of Rob Mcgee
> > > > > Sent: 17 November 2009 18:56
> > > > > To: ppgbiglist; ppg wings yahoo groups
> > > > > Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > dell. think he only one for wing info.this guy is not for reel...this
is
> > > > > very funny post..must read.roberto
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dell <imasuper0308@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Dell <imasuper0308@ >
> > > > > Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2
> > > > > To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup s.com
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:18 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They don't have the K2 on there and the information they have on other
wings
> > > > > is very inaccurate so I would not rely on them as a source. There are
only 2
> > > > > guaranteed accurate sources for information that I know of. Either
listen to
> > > > > me, or try it yourself lol. Also realize I am a serious enthusiast to
the
> > > > > sport. No way in heck would I be flying a piece of crap. You can be
dang
> > > > > sure that whatever I am flying on a regular basis is freaking awesome.
This
> > > > > is the first and only extremely safe beginner glider that has replaced
my
> > > > > entire arsenol. The last glider I bought for myself personally in
every size
> > > > > was the U-Turn Obsession. That's a freaking awesome glider too but the
K2
> > > > > matched the glide performance, bested the handling, increase ease of
> > > > > launching, speed and safety and added auto stability. The K2 is off
the
> > > > > charts awesome. I now have one in every size as my glider of choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > My second choice would be the Obsession so look at both gliders if you
are
> > > > > looking for dang awesome.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just get a K2, you simply don't see people trying what I tell them to
and
> > > > > coming back saying I was totally sales pitching them. I just don't do
that.
> > > > > I state it exactly as I see it and no more. If I find something
better, I'll
> > > > > be flying it.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup
> > > > > <http://us.mc653. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=PPGTRUTH%
40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > s.com, "crasig37" <craig37@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > can you identify the k2 wing your selling I would like to compare it
on
> > > > > (para 2000)site and is this a mountain or minimal glider with vary few
lines
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff

To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:09 PM

Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..

 

It is a nice wing, I fly one and love it. Does about 27mph with the trimmers out (44kmh) Its definitely faster than 46 if you were to use the speedbar but I have not tried that so I cant state that for sure.

Definitely the easier glider I have ever launched and is so forgiving when you don't launch correctly.

Jeff

--- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <Ed@...> wrote:
>
> Presumably this is the Sky Cima K2 he's on about?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ppgwings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Rob Mcgee
> Sent: 17 November 2009 18:56
> To: ppgbiglist; ppg wings yahoo groups
> Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
>
>
>
>
> dell. think he only one for wing info.this guy is not for reel...this is
> very funny post..must read.roberto
>
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dell <imasuper0308@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Dell <imasuper0308@...>
> Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2
> To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:18 PM
>
>
>
> They don't have the K2 on there and the information they have on other wings
> is very inaccurate so I would not rely on them as a source. There are only 2
> guaranteed accurate sources for information that I know of. Either listen to
> me, or try it yourself lol. Also realize I am a serious enthusiast to the
> sport. No way in heck would I be flying a piece of crap. You can be dang
> sure that whatever I am flying on a regular basis is freaking awesome. This
> is the first and only extremely safe beginner glider that has replaced my
> entire arsenol. The last glider I bought for myself personally in every size
> was the U-Turn Obsession. That's a freaking awesome glider too but the K2
> matched the glide performance, bested the handling, increase ease of
> launching, speed and safety and added auto stability. The K2 is off the
> charts awesome. I now have one in every size as my glider of choice.
>
> My second choice would be the Obsession so look at both gliders if you are
> looking for dang awesome.
>
> Just get a K2, you simply don't see people trying what I tell them to and
> coming back saying I was totally sales pitching them. I just don't do that.
> I state it exactly as I see it and no more. If I find something better, I'll
> be flying it.
>
> --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup
> <http://us.mc653.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=PPGTRUTH%40yahoogroups.com>
> s.com, "crasig37" <craig37@ > wrote:
> >
> > can you identify the k2 wing your selling I would like to compare it on
> (para 2000)site and is this a mountain or minimal glider with vary few lines
> >
>

I was training a pilot at the beach recently with an Eden 4. Another
instructor's student was working with his K2. Watching them side by side, the
student on the Eden 4 seemed to be having an easier time of it. The Eden 4 is
faster and has a better glide ratio, too. The Eden 4 is incredibly stable, as
well.

Funny how everyone wants to compare their wonderful new glider to the Eden.

Andy

--- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <itgperformance@...> wrote:
>
> I never flew a Eden 3 but I did kite one.  They definitely come up pretty
easily but the k2 just makes it even easier.  You really don't even feel it
coming up ( you can still feel if its coming up more on one side)behind you but
when it gets up it builds lift very quickly.  You can let off the A's with the
wing just past the 45 degree mark and it will still come up.   I have some
videos on youtube under the name blacke30 if you want to check out some flying
with the k2.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Halcomb" <dhalcomb@> wrote:
> >
> > Easy launching is what I am always looking for. How do you compare the
launch characteristics to an Eden 3-4? I have kited quite a few gliders in my
time trying to find one that comes up as easy as the Edens. I've found a few
that are close but nothing seems to be better. I'm always looking for wings that
my students can learn to kite with faster. There are a lot of good beginner
wings when it comes to safety but not many, if any at all that are a breeze to
kite.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Jeff
> >   To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:09 PM
> >   Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
> >
> >
> >
> >   It is a nice wing, I fly one and love it. Does about 27mph with the
trimmers out (44kmh) Its definitely faster than 46 if you were to use the
speedbar but I have not tried that so I cant state that for sure.
> >
> >   Definitely the easier glider I have ever launched and is so forgiving when
you don't launch correctly.
> >
> >   Jeff
> >
> >   --- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <Ed@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Presumably this is the Sky Cima K2 he's on about?
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > _____
> >   >
> >   > From: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ppgwings@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> >   > Of Rob Mcgee
> >   > Sent: 17 November 2009 18:56
> >   > To: ppgbiglist; ppg wings yahoo groups
> >   > Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > dell. think he only one for wing info.this guy is not for reel...this is
> >   > very funny post..must read.roberto
> >   >
> >   > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dell <imasuper0308@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > From: Dell <imasuper0308@>
> >   > Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2
> >   > To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com
> >   > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:18 PM
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > They don't have the K2 on there and the information they have on other
wings
> >   > is very inaccurate so I would not rely on them as a source. There are
only 2
> >   > guaranteed accurate sources for information that I know of. Either
listen to
> >   > me, or try it yourself lol. Also realize I am a serious enthusiast to
the
> >   > sport. No way in heck would I be flying a piece of crap. You can be dang
> >   > sure that whatever I am flying on a regular basis is freaking awesome.
This
> >   > is the first and only extremely safe beginner glider that has replaced
my
> >   > entire arsenol. The last glider I bought for myself personally in every
size
> >   > was the U-Turn Obsession. That's a freaking awesome glider too but the
K2
> >   > matched the glide performance, bested the handling, increase ease of
> >   > launching, speed and safety and added auto stability. The K2 is off the
> >   > charts awesome. I now have one in every size as my glider of choice.
> >   >
> >   > My second choice would be the Obsession so look at both gliders if you
are
> >   > looking for dang awesome.
> >   >
> >   > Just get a K2, you simply don't see people trying what I tell them to
and
> >   > coming back saying I was totally sales pitching them. I just don't do
that.
> >   > I state it exactly as I see it and no more. If I find something better,
I'll
> >   > be flying it.
> >   >
> >   > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup
> >   >
<http://us.mc653.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=PPGTRUTH%40yahoogroups.com>
> >   > s.com, "crasig37" <craig37@ > wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > > can you identify the k2 wing your selling I would like to compare it
on
> >   > (para 2000)site and is this a mountain or minimal glider with vary few
lines
> >   > >
> >   >
> >
>

I never flew a Eden 3 but I did kite one.  They definitely come up pretty easily
but the k2 just makes it even easier.  You really don't even feel it coming up (
you can still feel if its coming up more on one side)behind you but when it gets
up it builds lift very quickly.  You can let off the A's with the wing just past
the 45 degree mark and it will still come up.   I have some videos on youtube
under the name blacke30 if you want to check out some flying with the k2.

Jeff

--- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Halcomb" <dhalcomb@...> wrote:
>
> Easy launching is what I am always looking for. How do you compare the launch
characteristics to an Eden 3-4? I have kited quite a few gliders in my time
trying to find one that comes up as easy as the Edens. I've found a few that are
close but nothing seems to be better. I'm always looking for wings that my
students can learn to kite with faster. There are a lot of good beginner wings
when it comes to safety but not many, if any at all that are a breeze to kite.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jeff
>   To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:09 PM
>   Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
>
>
>
>   It is a nice wing, I fly one and love it. Does about 27mph with the trimmers
out (44kmh) Its definitely faster than 46 if you were to use the speedbar but I
have not tried that so I cant state that for sure.
>
>   Definitely the easier glider I have ever launched and is so forgiving when
you don't launch correctly.
>
>   Jeff
>
>   --- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <Ed@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Presumably this is the Sky Cima K2 he's on about?
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > _____
>   >
>   > From: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ppgwings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>   > Of Rob Mcgee
>   > Sent: 17 November 2009 18:56
>   > To: ppgbiglist; ppg wings yahoo groups
>   > Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > dell. think he only one for wing info.this guy is not for reel...this is
>   > very funny post..must read.roberto
>   >
>   > --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dell <imasuper0308@> wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > From: Dell <imasuper0308@>
>   > Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2
>   > To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com
>   > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:18 PM
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > They don't have the K2 on there and the information they have on other
wings
>   > is very inaccurate so I would not rely on them as a source. There are only
2
>   > guaranteed accurate sources for information that I know of. Either listen
to
>   > me, or try it yourself lol. Also realize I am a serious enthusiast to the
>   > sport. No way in heck would I be flying a piece of crap. You can be dang
>   > sure that whatever I am flying on a regular basis is freaking awesome.
This
>   > is the first and only extremely safe beginner glider that has replaced my
>   > entire arsenol. The last glider I bought for myself personally in every
size
>   > was the U-Turn Obsession. That's a freaking awesome glider too but the K2
>   > matched the glide performance, bested the handling, increase ease of
>   > launching, speed and safety and added auto stability. The K2 is off the
>   > charts awesome. I now have one in every size as my glider of choice.
>   >
>   > My second choice would be the Obsession so look at both gliders if you are
>   > looking for dang awesome.
>   >
>   > Just get a K2, you simply don't see people trying what I tell them to and
>   > coming back saying I was totally sales pitching them. I just don't do
that.
>   > I state it exactly as I see it and no more. If I find something better,
I'll
>   > be flying it.
>   >
>   > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup
>   > <http://us.mc653.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=PPGTRUTH%40yahoogroups.com>
>   > s.com, "crasig37" <craig37@ > wrote:
>   > >
>   > > can you identify the k2 wing your selling I would like to compare it on
>   > (para 2000)site and is this a mountain or minimal glider with vary few
lines
>   > >
>   >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff

To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:09 PM

Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..

 

It is a nice wing, I fly one and love it. Does about 27mph with the trimmers out (44kmh) Its definitely faster than 46 if you were to use the speedbar but I have not tried that so I cant state that for sure.

Definitely the easier glider I have ever launched and is so forgiving when you don't launch correctly.

Jeff

--- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <Ed@...> wrote:
>
> Presumably this is the Sky Cima K2 he's on about?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ppgwings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Rob Mcgee
> Sent: 17 November 2009 18:56
> To: ppgbiglist; ppg wings yahoo groups
> Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
>
>
>
>
> dell. think he only one for wing info.this guy is not for reel...this is
> very funny post..must read.roberto
>
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dell <imasuper0308@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Dell <imasuper0308@...>
> Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2
> To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:18 PM
>
>
>
> They don't have the K2 on there and the information they have on other wings
> is very inaccurate so I would not rely on them as a source. There are only 2
> guaranteed accurate sources for information that I know of. Either listen to
> me, or try it yourself lol. Also realize I am a serious enthusiast to the
> sport. No way in heck would I be flying a piece of crap. You can be dang
> sure that whatever I am flying on a regular basis is freaking awesome. This
> is the first and only extremely safe beginner glider that has replaced my
> entire arsenol. The last glider I bought for myself personally in every size
> was the U-Turn Obsession. That's a freaking awesome glider too but the K2
> matched the glide performance, bested the handling, increase ease of
> launching, speed and safety and added auto stability. The K2 is off the
> charts awesome. I now have one in every size as my glider of choice.
>
> My second choice would be the Obsession so look at both gliders if you are
> looking for dang awesome.
>
> Just get a K2, you simply don't see people trying what I tell them to and
> coming back saying I was totally sales pitching them. I just don't do that.
> I state it exactly as I see it and no more. If I find something better, I'll
> be flying it.
>
> --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup
> <http://us.mc653.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=PPGTRUTH%40yahoogroups.com>
> s.com, "crasig37" <craig37@ > wrote:
> >
> > can you identify the k2 wing your selling I would like to compare it on
> (para 2000)site and is this a mountain or minimal glider with vary few lines
> >
>

It is a nice wing, I fly one and love it.  Does about 27mph with the trimmers
out (44kmh)  Its definitely faster than 46 if you were to use the speedbar but I
have not tried that so I cant state that for sure.

Definitely the easier glider I have ever launched and is so forgiving when you
don't launch correctly.

Jeff

--- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed" <Ed@...> wrote:
>
> Presumably this is the Sky Cima K2 he's on about?
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ppgwings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Rob Mcgee
> Sent: 17 November 2009 18:56
> To: ppgbiglist; ppg wings yahoo groups
> Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..
>
>
>
>
> dell. think he only one for wing info.this guy is not for reel...this is
> very funny post..must read.roberto
>
> --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dell <imasuper0308@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: Dell <imasuper0308@...>
> Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2
> To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:18 PM
>
>
>
> They don't have the K2 on there and the information they have on other wings
> is very inaccurate so I would not rely on them as a source. There are only 2
> guaranteed accurate sources for information that I know of. Either listen to
> me, or try it yourself lol. Also realize I am a serious enthusiast to the
> sport. No way in heck would I be flying a piece of crap. You can be dang
> sure that whatever I am flying on a regular basis is freaking awesome. This
> is the first and only extremely safe beginner glider that has replaced my
> entire arsenol. The last glider I bought for myself personally in every size
> was the U-Turn Obsession. That's a freaking awesome glider too but the K2
> matched the glide performance, bested the handling, increase ease of
> launching, speed and safety and added auto stability. The K2 is off the
> charts awesome. I now have one in every size as my glider of choice.
>
> My second choice would be the Obsession so look at both gliders if you are
> looking for dang awesome.
>
> Just get a K2, you simply don't see people trying what I tell them to and
> coming back saying I was totally sales pitching them. I just don't do that.
> I state it exactly as I see it and no more. If I find something better, I'll
> be flying it.
>
> --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup
> <http://us.mc653.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=PPGTRUTH%40yahoogroups.com>
> s.com, "crasig37" <craig37@ > wrote:
> >
> > can you identify the k2 wing your selling I would like to compare it on
> (para 2000)site and is this a mountain or minimal glider with vary few lines
> >
>

---

From: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ppgwings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Mcgee
Sent: 17 November 2009 18:56
To: ppgbiglist; ppg wings yahoo groups
Subject: [ppgwings] Fw: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 /para 2000 not accurate..

dell. think he only one for wing info.this guy is not for reel...this is very funny post..must read.roberto --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dell <imasuper0308@...> wrote: From: Dell <imasuper0308@...> Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Re: k2 To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 4:18 PM   They don't have the K2 on there and the information they have on other wings is very inaccurate so I would not rely on them as a source. There are only 2 guaranteed accurate sources for information that I know of. Either listen to me, or try it yourself lol. Also realize I am a serious enthusiast to the sport. No way in heck would I be flying a piece of crap. You can be dang sure that whatever I am flying on a regular basis is freaking awesome. This is the first and only extremely safe beginner glider that has replaced my entire arsenol. The last glider I bought for myself personally in every size was the U-Turn Obsession. That's a freaking awesome glider too but the K2 matched the glide performance, bested the handling, increase ease of launching, speed and safety and added auto stability. The K2 is off the charts awesome. I now have one in every size as my glider of choice. My second choice would be the Obsession so look at both gliders if you are looking for dang awesome. Just get a K2, you simply don't see people trying what I tell them to and coming back saying I was totally sales pitching them. I just don't do that. I state it exactly as I see it and no more. If I find something better, I'll be flying it. --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroup s.com, "crasig37" <craig37@... > wrote: > > can you identify the k2 wing your selling I would like to compare it on (para 2000)site and is this a mountain or minimal glider with vary few lines >

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