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Hi Bud,
Yes i agree with your analagy. But from previous conversations on this point Dudek have small weight differencials between their glider sizes. I doubt any glider company would produce fiqures to accertain differing weights from glider to glider to get more performance. Hence the Placard. But its because at some point in the weighting of the Dudek glider, it becomes inhibitive to the performance. What that is i don't know.
Now i would not recommend anyone to fly a Dudek glider in an overweight condition. But if they do then that's there choice...and depending on how much weight is your question..
But you fly a Reflex glider, so you have some experience in this area. But i meet Pilots all the time that don't fly Reflex and think that overloading to gain Speed and stability is the norm... not so with Dudek Reflex. I can only speak for Dudek not other Reflex companies that may have larger weight flexibility.
Regards Raymcm Dudek USA.
To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com
From: budjohnson@...
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:36:39 +0000
Subject: [ppgwings] Speed with Dudek Wings
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Yes i agree with your analagy. But from previous conversations on this point Dudek have small weight differencials between their glider sizes. I doubt any glider company would produce fiqures to accertain differing weights from glider to glider to get more performance. Hence the Placard. But its because at some point in the weighting of the Dudek glider, it becomes inhibitive to the performance. What that is i don't know.
Now i would not recommend anyone to fly a Dudek glider in an overweight condition. But if they do then that's there choice...and depending on how much weight is your question..
But you fly a Reflex glider, so you have some experience in this area. But i meet Pilots all the time that don't fly Reflex and think that overloading to gain Speed and stability is the norm... not so with Dudek Reflex. I can only speak for Dudek not other Reflex companies that may have larger weight flexibility.
Regards Raymcm Dudek USA.
To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com
From: budjohnson@...
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 13:36:39 +0000
Subject: [ppgwings] Speed with Dudek Wings
Hi Raymond,
Pilots choose wings because of a combination of features. One of those features is max speed with speed bar, trimmers out along with many other features.
Seems to me that pilots would want to know the 'facts' concerning max speed with speed bar, trimmers out with each Dudek wing. Why not just ask the Dudek folks what the facts are concerning this with each wing. I can't imagine that they don't know whether each wing is faster loaded more than the placard weight or not.
Bud
--- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com , Raymond McMahon <raymcm@...> wrote:
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> Hi Mike,
> I also get a constant 41mph on my plasma 28m.
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> I did manage 66mph one time coming back from a xcountry trip lots of wind pushing... its a real buzz... when you can get this kind of speed up..
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> I have the new Plasma 22m now. When i get it back from on loan..i will try and see what speed i can get from it. Although we don't advocate heavy overloads on our Reflex wings, you can achieve the maximum performance staying within the Placard weight.
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> I would be very heavy on a Plasma 22m, but it will be interesting to see if i can get more speed over the ground in this overload condition. Certainly won't get good economy but i would like to prove overloading Dudek Reflex wings doesn't improve speed... and of course it still maintains it stability flown within the Placard... But one thing is for sure the Plasm 22m will be very very agile.....
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> I might be wrong on the speed with this small Plasma..we will see.
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> Regards Ray mcm Dudek USA.
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> To: ppgwings@yahoogroups.com
> From: mjnowland@...
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:19:41 +0000
> Subject: [ppgwings] Re: Innovative New Speed Bar Link
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> --- In ppgwings@yahoogroups.com , Rob Mcgee <robmcmgee@> wrote:
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> > Hey Arthur,
> > you must be a sales rep for this glider...my speed bar doesn't need any adjustment. After initial set up...What's this speed your talking about..The Velvet isn't fast man...every glider is fast down a wind on the beach..go inland and fly ther and let us know how fast you are then.
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> I've found my strongest tailwinds inland. I've had a Plasma over 60 mph for 20 minutes, and got an Action over 70 mph, for a couple of minutes. I was really glad I didn't have an engine out right then, because I was worried that the wind was doing 30 or 40 mph on the ground.
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> A Plasma will sustain a steady 41 mph in still air, with the bar all the way down.
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> Mike Nowland
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Pilots choose wings because of a combination of features. One of those features is max speed with speed bar, trimmers out along with many other features.
Seems to me that pilots would want to know the 'facts' concerning max speed with speed bar, trimmers out with each Dudek wing. Why not just ask the Dudek folks what the facts are concerning this with each wing. I can't imagine that they don't know whether each wing is faster loaded more than the placard weight or not.
Bud
--- In ppgwings@yahoogroup
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>
> Hi Mike,
> I also get a constant 41mph on my plasma 28m.
>
>
> I did manage 66mph one time coming back from a xcountry trip lots of wind pushing... its a real buzz... when you can get this kind of speed up..
>
>
>
> I have the new Plasma 22m now. When i get it back from on loan..i will try and see what speed i can get from it. Although we don't advocate heavy overloads on our Reflex wings, you can achieve the maximum performance staying within the Placard weight.
>
>
> I would be very heavy on a Plasma 22m, but it will be interesting to see if i can get more speed over the ground in this overload condition. Certainly won't get good economy but i would like to prove overloading Dudek Reflex wings doesn't improve speed... and of course it still maintains it stability flown within the Placard... But one thing is for sure the Plasm 22m will be very very agile.....
>
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> I might be wrong on the speed with this small Plasma..we will see.
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> Regards Ray mcm Dudek USA.
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> To: ppgwings@yahoogroup
> From: mjnowland@..
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:19:41 +0000
> Subject: [ppgwings] Re: Innovative New Speed Bar Link
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> --- In ppgwings@yahoogroup
> >
> > Hey Arthur,
> > you must be a sales rep for this glider...my speed bar doesn't need any adjustment. After initial set up...What's this speed your talking about..The Velvet isn't fast man...every glider is fast down a wind on the beach..go inland and fly ther and let us know how fast you are then.
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> ******
>
> I've found my strongest tailwinds inland. I've had a Plasma over 60 mph for 20 minutes, and got an Action over 70 mph, for a couple of minutes. I was really glad I didn't have an engine out right then, because I was worried that the wind was doing 30 or 40 mph on the ground.
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> A Plasma will sustain a steady 41 mph in still air, with the bar all the way down.
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> Mike Nowland
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