One of the pages on The Political Graveyard lists politicians who were
recipients of the Medal of Honor.
Very helpful in this was an Army web site which not only listed all of the
recipients but gave the full text of each citation. The address was
http://www4.army.mil/cmh-pg/moh1.htm
I have not been able to access that site in weeks.
Does anyone know if there is a new address, or if that site will be back?
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
Leave off the "4" on the "www" part. Try:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/moh1.htm
political-graveyard@egroups.com wrote:
>
One of the pages on The Political Graveyard lists politicians who were
recipients of the Medal of Honor.
Very helpful in this was an Army web site which not only listed all of the
recipients but gave the full text of each citation. The address was
http://www4.army.mil/cmh-pg/moh1.htm
I have not been able to access that site in weeks.
Does anyone know if there is a new address, or if that site will be back?
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
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"Regular" Freemasonry as an organization does not support any
particuliar party.Some interesting Masonic facts:
1.Last prominent "Third Party" candidates for President And Vice
President: George C. Wallace and Curtis E. LeMay.Both
Freemasons.Wallace by the way was a "Knight Templar".They ran in
1968, under various designations, including American Independent
Party.
2.Last Republican National Ticket to be Freemasons:Bob Dole and Jack
Kemp-1996.Dole is a Knight Templar I am certain.Both have received
the 33rd degree(honorary) of the Scottish Rite.
3.Last Democratic National Ticket:Franklin Roosevelt and Harry
Truman-1944,.Lyndon Johnson(who received only the Entered Apprentice
Degree in Freemasonry) and Hubert Humphrey who ran in 1964,were both
Freemasons.For pratical purposes one has to receive the Master Mason
Degree,however.Lyndon B. Johnson did not.
4.Last Democratic nominee for President to be a Freemason:George
McGovern,1972.Last Democratic nominee for Vice President:Lloyd
Bentsen:1988.
5.Neither Al Gore or Gov.Bush are Freemasons.While not a Freemason
himself,Sen. McCain father was a Freemason.While Rev. "Pat" Robertson
is a Masonic critic ,his father US Sen. A. Willis Robertson was a
member during his life time.
Any comments or corrections welcome.
"Regular" Freemasonry as an organization does not support any
particuliar party.Some interesting Masonic facts:
1.Last prominent "Third Party" candidates for President And Vice
President: George C. Wallace and Curtis E. LeMay.Both
Freemasons.Wallace by the way was a "Knight Templar".They ran in
1968, under various designations, including American Independent
Party.
2.Last Republican National Ticket to be Freemasons:Bob Dole and Jack
Kemp-1996.Dole is a Knight Templar I am certain.Both have received
the 33rd degree(honorary) of the Scottish Rite.
3.Last Democratic National Ticket:Franklin Roosevelt and Harry
Truman-1944,.Lyndon Johnson(who received only the Entered Apprentice
Degree in Freemasonry) and Hubert Humphrey who ran in 1964,were both
Freemasons.For pratical purposes one has to receive the Master Mason
Degree,however.Lyndon B. Johnson did not.
4.Last Democratic nominee for President to be a Freemason:George
McGovern,1972.Last Democratic nominee for Vice President:Lloyd
Bentsen:1988.
5.Neither Al Gore or Gov.Bush are Freemasons.While not a Freemason
himself,Sen. McCain father was a Freemason.While Rev. "Pat" Robertson
is a Masonic critic ,his father US Sen. A. Willis Robertson was a
member during his life time.
Any comments or corrections welcome.
Whilst waiting for this finicky vehicle of mine to start working
correctly so that I could go somewhere, I was fooling around on the
net and discovered your web site. Very interesting, indeed.
If I ever find the time necessary, I can more than likely provide you
with lots of information regarding Alaska and its political figures.
Most of the information regarding Alaskans currently found on the
site seems to be stuck in territorial days. If you care to send me
specific criteria via private e-mail as to what you may be looking
for, that would help a lot.
One more thing before I go: I didn't see Wilbur Mills in the list of
disgraced politicians.
-Sean-
On Wed, 10 May 2000 sean@... wrote:
> Whilst waiting for this finicky vehicle of mine to start working
> correctly so that I could go somewhere, I was fooling around on the
> net and discovered your web site. Very interesting, indeed.
Thank you and welcome to the list!
> If I ever find the time necessary, I can more than likely provide you
> with lots of information regarding Alaska and its political figures.
> Most of the information regarding Alaskans currently found on the
> site seems to be stuck in territorial days. If you care to send me
> specific criteria via private e-mail as to what you may be looking
> for, that would help a lot.
I'll follow up later with more specifics, but any officeholder or
candidate at election for a state or federal elected office is fair game.
For example, everybody who ever ran for or served in the Alaska state
legislature. Also judges of state appellate courts (e.g., state supreme
court) regardless of whether they are elcted or appointive positions.
And mayors or candidates for mayor of "significant" cities, which in
Alaska would be Anchorage (qualifying by population), plus probably at
least Juneau and Fairbanks (qualifying by being state capital and/or among
the three largest cities in the state at any census since 1900). Note
that city council presidents, city managers, etc., don't count as
"mayors".
> One more thing before I go: I didn't see Wilbur Mills in the list of
> disgraced politicians.
I'm not entirely clear on what he did, other than be caught running around
the Tidal Basin in the middle of the night with someone who was called
"the Argentine Firecracker". Does anyone have a definitive story?
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
For perhaps the "definitive story" (at least as provided by The Washington
Post)re: Wilbur Mills story, see
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/tidalbas.htm
political-graveyard@egroups.com wrote:
>
On Wed, 10 May 2000 sean@... wrote:
> Whilst waiting for this finicky vehicle of mine to start working
> correctly so that I could go somewhere, I was fooling around on the
> net and discovered your web site. Very interesting, indeed.
Thank you and welcome to the list!
> If I ever find the time necessary, I can more than likely provide you
> with lots of information regarding Alaska and its political figures.
> Most of the information regarding Alaskans currently found on the
> site seems to be stuck in territorial days. If you care to send me
> specific criteria via private e-mail as to what you may be looking
> for, that would help a lot.
I'll follow up later with more specifics, but any officeholder or
candidate at election for a state or federal elected office is fair game.
For example, everybody who ever ran for or served in the Alaska state
legislature. Also judges of state appellate courts (e.g., state supreme
court) regardless of whether they are elcted or appointive positions.
And mayors or candidates for mayor of "significant" cities, which in
Alaska would be Anchorage (qualifying by population), plus probably at
least Juneau and Fairbanks (qualifying by being state capital and/or among
the three largest cities in the state at any census since 1900). Note
that city council presidents, city managers, etc., don't count as
"mayors".
> One more thing before I go: I didn't see Wilbur Mills in the list of
> disgraced politicians.
I'm not entirely clear on what he did, other than be caught running around
the Tidal Basin in the middle of the night with someone who was called
"the Argentine Firecracker". Does anyone have a definitive story?
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
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On Wed, 10 May 2000 jmmyers@... wrote:
> For perhaps the "definitive story" (at least as provided by The
> Washington Post)re: Wilbur Mills story, see
>
> http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/tidalbas.htm
Thank you for this!
Here is the summary I wrote for his entry -- any comments or suggestions?
In October 1974, he was driving late at night in
Washington, D.C. without lights on; when stopped by police,
he was seen to be intoxicated and his face was bloody from
a scuffle; an Argentine striptease artist named Fanne Fox
leaped from his car and jumped into the nearby Tidal Basin;
after this incident highlighted his alcoholism, he was
[forced to resign] his powerful chairmanship of the Ways
and Means Committee, and seek treatment
The phrase "forced to resign" would be a link to the Politicians in
Trouble or Disgrace page (the brackets would not appear online).
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
By today's standards, Wilbur was a paragon of virtue. Where do those
Razorbacks learn their decorum?
>From: sean@...
>Reply-To: political-graveyard@egroups.com
>To: political-graveyard@egroups.com
>Subject: [political-graveyard] Howdy...
>Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:14:19 -0000
>
>Whilst waiting for this finicky vehicle of mine to start working
>correctly so that I could go somewhere, I was fooling around on the
>net and discovered your web site. Very interesting, indeed.
>
>If I ever find the time necessary, I can more than likely provide you
>with lots of information regarding Alaska and its political figures.
>Most of the information regarding Alaskans currently found on the
>site seems to be stuck in territorial days. If you care to send me
>specific criteria via private e-mail as to what you may be looking
>for, that would help a lot.
>
>One more thing before I go: I didn't see Wilbur Mills in the list of
>disgraced politicians.
>
> -Sean-
>
>
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Wilbur Mills was a Freemason,along with impeached New York Governor
William Sulzer and censured US Senator Hiram Bingham, R-
Connecticut.Freemasonry teaches great and exemplary conduct.I am
proud to be a Mason.In history and even today there is literally
millions of Freemasons.The law of averages would seem some may fall
short of Masonic principles.
The Mayors of Rhode Island who were definitely Freemasons:
1. Thomas Arthur Doyle- Providence-Republican
Doyle was a very active Freemason
2.Albert Pradervand Ruerat-Warwick-Republican
Ruerat was Republican nominee for Governor of Rhode Island in
1948,was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Rhode Island in 1951.
3.Horace E. Hobbs-Warwick-Democrat
Democratic nominee for Governor of Rhode Island in 1966
No doubt there are others.
The following are current "Masonic" legislators in Rhode Island
General Assembly:
State Senate-
Kevin Breene(R)
State House of Representatives-
Nicholas Gorham(R)
Lawrence Ferguson(D)
Kenneth Carter (D)
Peter Ginaitt (D)
I believe this is the current total.Breene and Gorham are also Grange
members.
Bernard Jackvony was elected as the new Chairman of the Rhode Island
Republican State Central Committee.Joan B. Quick, a RI State
Representative had resigned the position.Other Republican State
Chairmen in Rhode Island history include William Broomhead,John
A.Holmes,Jr.,Americo Campanella,Robert Rendine, and Howard Russell.
On Fri, 12 May 2000 ScottBillHirst@... wrote:
> The Mayors of Rhode Island who were definitely Freemasons:
> 1. Thomas Arthur Doyle- Providence-Republican
> Doyle was a very active Freemason
> 2.Albert Pradervand Ruerat-Warwick-Republican
> Ruerat was Republican nominee for Governor of Rhode Island in
> 1948,was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Rhode Island in 1951.
> 3.Horace E. Hobbs-Warwick-Democrat
> Democratic nominee for Governor of Rhode Island in 1966
> No doubt there are others.
Do you happen to have the years they each served as mayor?
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
I have been a Mason since 1966, a Knight Templar
since 1967 and a member of Olekia Shrine since 1968, I
am then in good company
--- ScottBillHirst@... wrote:
> The Mayors of Rhode Island who were definitely
> Freemasons:
> 1. Thomas Arthur Doyle- Providence-Republican
> Doyle was a very active Freemason
> 2.Albert Pradervand Ruerat-Warwick-Republican
> Ruerat was Republican nominee for Governor of Rhode
> Island in
> 1948,was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Rhode
> Island in 1951.
> 3.Horace E. Hobbs-Warwick-Democrat
> Democratic nominee for Governor of Rhode Island in
> 1966
> No doubt there are others.
>
>
=====
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As I have been getting things ready for the new version, I have run across
a few nagging little questions. Most of these are cases where there is
quite a lot of information, but one crucial bit is missing. If any of
y'all have helpful information about any of these, I'd appreciate it.
Note that for county locations, the idea is to have the county name or
location as it exists today, which of course may be different from what it
was when these events took place.
Some of this relates to Civil War history; unfortunately I do not have any
handy reference to Civil War battles and events. The last question should
appeal to railroad historians!
1. Thomas Reade Rootes Cobb, Confederate general and member of the
Confederate Congress, died December 13, 1862, at the battle of
Fredericksburg. QUESTION: What state was that in?
2. James Streshly Jackson, Union general and Kentucky congressman, was
killed October 8, 1862, at the battle of Perryville. QUESTION: Where is
the Perryville where the battle took place? (state and county)
3. Robert H. Keefe, California judge, died at the USC/Norris
Comprehensive Cancer Center. QUESTION: Where is that? (city and county)
4. William Rufus de Vane King, vice-president, died at his plantation,
King's Bend, in Alabama. QUESTION: Where is that? (county and maybe
near-city)
5. George L. Kinnard, Indiana congressman, died in the explosion of the
steamer Flora on the Ohio River, November 26, 1836. QUESTION: Where on
the Ohio River? (at least a state, ideally near-city and county)
6. John Basil Lamar, Georgia congressman and Confederate soldier, wounded
in the battle of Crampton's Gap, Maryland, and died the following day,
September 15, 1862. QUESTION: Where is that?
7. George Thomas 'Mickey' Leland, Texas congressman, died in an airplane
crash in 1989. QUESTION: Date, location?
8. Here's the best one yet. Congressman James Peter Glynn, of
Connecticut, died March 6, 1930, on a train en route to Washington DC from
Huntington WV. The congressional bio gives his death location as "near
Washington", which is not at all helpful since nothing near Washington is
in DC, and this unruly data point creates headaches in programming!
So I looked up the obits in the Washington Post and New York Times.
Apparently the train was scheduled to arrive at Union Station in
Washington at 7:40 AM. Congressman Glynn had his heart attack in the
smoking car and died almost immediately at 6:00 AM. They telegraphed
ahead to Union Station to have a doctor ready there for him, of course to
no avail. (Could they have telegraphed from a moving train, or does that
imply they made a stop on the way to send the message?)
The most logical route to go by train from Huntington to Washington in
1930 looks to have been the Baltimore & Ohio. If that is the route they
followed, the question is how long it takes to get from Harper's Ferry (at
the state line) to Washington Union Station -- less than an hour and 40
minutes means he probably died in Maryland *IF* they took the B&O.
However, the New York Times obituary, which gave much less information,
stated that he died on a Chesapeake & Ohio train. It's not at all clear
to me what the route would have been, but very likely it would have been
through Virginia.
Could a C&O passenger train have run on B&O tracks in 1930? Or could the
Times just be wrong about which railroad it was?
Note that Congressman Glynn was with a party of 12 members of Congress who
had been at a funeral in West Virginia. They probably would have wanted
the fastest available way back to DC.
Anyway, have at it, if you like, and many thanks for your help.
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
On Sun, 14 May 2000, Lawrence Kestenbaum wrote:
> The most logical route to go by train from Huntington to Washington in
> 1930 looks to have been the Baltimore & Ohio. If that is the route they
> followed, the question is how long it takes to get from Harper's Ferry (at
> the state line) to Washington Union Station -- less than an hour and 40
> minutes means he probably died in Maryland *IF* they took the B&O.
Of course, I meant, if it takes a 1930 B&O passenger train MORE (not less)
than an hour and forty minutes to get to Washington from Harpers Farry,
then obviously the train would have been in Maryland at 6:00 am when the
Congressman died.
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
I believe I can help with the answers to a few of your questions.
1. The Battle of Fredericksburg was in Virginia, either Spotsylvania County
or Stafford County, or even possibly the independent city of Fredericksburg.
Just returned from vacation there a week ago.
2. The Battle of Perryville took place in Boyle County, Kentucky.
4. William King's plantation Kings Bend was near Cahaba in Dallas County,
Alabama.
7. Mickey Leland's plane went down, I believe, in Ethiopia, in Africa as he
was on a fact finding tour for the Select Committee on Hunger.
Hope this helps. Your web site continues to be one of the most interesting
on the Internet.
Gary Ittner
A couple, not many --
1. Thomas Reade Rootes Cobb, Confederate general and member of the
Confederate Congress, died December 13, 1862, at the battle of
Fredericksburg. QUESTION: What state was that in?
>>> Virginia
6. John Basil Lamar, Georgia congressman and Confederate soldier, wounded
in the battle of Crampton's Gap, Maryland, and died the following day,
September 15, 1862. QUESTION: Where is that?
>>> Frederick Co., Maryland
Answers to some of questions:
1. VA, mostly Stafford County
2. Kentucky, Boyle County
3. Los Angles, CA, Los Angles County
4. There is a King's Bend AL, located in Blount County, near Clarence
5. unknown (researching)
6. nearest Keedysville, in now Washington County, then Frederick County
7. Gambela, Ethiopia, 08/07/1989
8. unknown (researching)
BTW, a useful site for pinpointing places in terms of city and county is
the Geographic Nameserver at
http://mapping.usgs.gov/wwww/gnis/gnisform.html
Jill M. Myers
Montgomery Village, MD
jmmyers@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Kestenbaum" <polygon@...>
To: <political-graveyard@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 9:38 PM
Subject: [political-graveyard] A few research questions
>
>
> As I have been getting things ready for the new version, I have run across
> a few nagging little questions. Most of these are cases where there is
> quite a lot of information, but one crucial bit is missing. If any of
> y'all have helpful information about any of these, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Note that for county locations, the idea is to have the county name or
> location as it exists today, which of course may be different from what it
> was when these events took place.
>
> Some of this relates to Civil War history; unfortunately I do not have any
> handy reference to Civil War battles and events. The last question should
> appeal to railroad historians!
>
>
> 1. Thomas Reade Rootes Cobb, Confederate general and member of the
> Confederate Congress, died December 13, 1862, at the battle of
> Fredericksburg. QUESTION: What state was that in?
>
> 2. James Streshly Jackson, Union general and Kentucky congressman, was
> killed October 8, 1862, at the battle of Perryville. QUESTION: Where is
> the Perryville where the battle took place? (state and county)
>
> 3. Robert H. Keefe, California judge, died at the USC/Norris
> Comprehensive Cancer Center. QUESTION: Where is that? (city and county)
>
> 4. William Rufus de Vane King, vice-president, died at his plantation,
> King's Bend, in Alabama. QUESTION: Where is that? (county and maybe
> near-city)
>
> 5. George L. Kinnard, Indiana congressman, died in the explosion of the
> steamer Flora on the Ohio River, November 26, 1836. QUESTION: Where on
> the Ohio River? (at least a state, ideally near-city and county)
>
> 6. John Basil Lamar, Georgia congressman and Confederate soldier, wounded
> in the battle of Crampton's Gap, Maryland, and died the following day,
> September 15, 1862. QUESTION: Where is that?
>
> 7. George Thomas 'Mickey' Leland, Texas congressman, died in an airplane
> crash in 1989. QUESTION: Date, location?
>
> 8. Here's the best one yet. Congressman James Peter Glynn, of
> Connecticut, died March 6, 1930, on a train en route to Washington DC from
> Huntington WV. The congressional bio gives his death location as "near
> Washington", which is not at all helpful since nothing near Washington is
> in DC, and this unruly data point creates headaches in programming!
>
> So I looked up the obits in the Washington Post and New York Times.
> Apparently the train was scheduled to arrive at Union Station in
> Washington at 7:40 AM. Congressman Glynn had his heart attack in the
> smoking car and died almost immediately at 6:00 AM. They telegraphed
> ahead to Union Station to have a doctor ready there for him, of course to
> no avail. (Could they have telegraphed from a moving train, or does that
> imply they made a stop on the way to send the message?)
>
> The most logical route to go by train from Huntington to Washington in
> 1930 looks to have been the Baltimore & Ohio. If that is the route they
> followed, the question is how long it takes to get from Harper's Ferry (at
> the state line) to Washington Union Station -- less than an hour and 40
> minutes means he probably died in Maryland *IF* they took the B&O.
>
> However, the New York Times obituary, which gave much less information,
> stated that he died on a Chesapeake & Ohio train. It's not at all clear
> to me what the route would have been, but very likely it would have been
> through Virginia.
>
> Could a C&O passenger train have run on B&O tracks in 1930? Or could the
> Times just be wrong about which railroad it was?
>
> Note that Congressman Glynn was with a party of 12 members of Congress who
> had been at a funeral in West Virginia. They probably would have wanted
> the fastest available way back to DC.
>
> Anyway, have at it, if you like, and many thanks for your help.
>
> ---
> Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
> The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
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Don't know if this helps any, but I used to ride the Maryland rail commuter
train (then using old rail passenger cars) that goes from Martinsburg, WV,
makes a stop in Harpers Ferry and then continues to its final destination at
Union Station in Washington DC on CSX rails, following probably the most
used route from both historically and in present day from West Virginia to
DC. From Harpers Ferry to Union Station on the MARC train today is about 1
1/2 hours, with all the intermediate stops the train makes (some of which
did not exist in 1930). Probably the Congressman died somewhere in Maryland
south of Harper's Ferry--my guess would be somewhere around Point of
Rocks--in the 1930s and before having a major passenger rail presence.
See attached timetable for schedule of current MARC trains from Martinsburg
to DC:
http://www.mtamaryland.com/marc/marc_sch_brun_e.htm
Jill M. Myers
Montgomery Village, MD
jmmyers@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Kestenbaum" <polygon@...>
To: <political-graveyard@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 9:45 PM
Subject: [political-graveyard] Correction to previous!
>
>
> On Sun, 14 May 2000, Lawrence Kestenbaum wrote:
>
> > The most logical route to go by train from Huntington to Washington in
> > 1930 looks to have been the Baltimore & Ohio. If that is the route they
> > followed, the question is how long it takes to get from Harper's Ferry
(at
> > the state line) to Washington Union Station -- less than an hour and 40
> > minutes means he probably died in Maryland *IF* they took the B&O.
>
> Of course, I meant, if it takes a 1930 B&O passenger train MORE (not less)
> than an hour and forty minutes to get to Washington from Harpers Farry,
> then obviously the train would have been in Maryland at 6:00 am when the
> Congressman died.
>
> ---
> Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
> The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
>
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I can help with George Thomas "Mickey" Leland. He died in a plane crash in
Ethopia (Africa) on 7 Aug 1989.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Kestenbaum [mailto:polygon@...]
Sent: Sunday, 14 May, 2000 8:38 PM
To: political-graveyard@egroups.com
Subject: [political-graveyard] A few research
questions
As I have been getting things ready for the new version, I
have run across
a few nagging little questions. Most of these are cases
where there is
quite a lot of information, but one crucial bit is missing.
If any of
y'all have helpful information about any of these, I'd
appreciate it.
Note that for county locations, the idea is to have the
county name or
location as it exists today, which of course may be
different from what it
was when these events took place.
Some of this relates to Civil War history; unfortunately I
do not have any
handy reference to Civil War battles and events. The last
question should
appeal to railroad historians!
1. Thomas Reade Rootes Cobb, Confederate general and member
of the
Confederate Congress, died December 13, 1862, at the battle
of
Fredericksburg. QUESTION: What state was that in?
2. James Streshly Jackson, Union general and Kentucky
congressman, was
killed October 8, 1862, at the battle of Perryville.
QUESTION: Where is
the Perryville where the battle took place? (state and
county)
3. Robert H. Keefe, California judge, died at the
USC/Norris
Comprehensive Cancer Center. QUESTION: Where is that?
(city and county)
4. William Rufus de Vane King, vice-president, died at his
plantation,
King's Bend, in Alabama. QUESTION: Where is that? (county
and maybe
near-city)
5. George L. Kinnard, Indiana congressman, died in the
explosion of the
steamer Flora on the Ohio River, November 26, 1836.
QUESTION: Where on
the Ohio River? (at least a state, ideally near-city and
county)
6. John Basil Lamar, Georgia congressman and Confederate
soldier, wounded
in the battle of Crampton's Gap, Maryland, and died the
following day,
September 15, 1862. QUESTION: Where is that?
7. George Thomas 'Mickey' Leland, Texas congressman, died
in an airplane
crash in 1989. QUESTION: Date, location?
8. Here's the best one yet. Congressman James Peter Glynn,
of
Connecticut, died March 6, 1930, on a train en route to
Washington DC from
Huntington WV. The congressional bio gives his death
location as "near
Washington", which is not at all helpful since nothing near
Washington is
in DC, and this unruly data point creates headaches in
programming!
So I looked up the obits in the Washington Post and New York
Times.
Apparently the train was scheduled to arrive at Union
Station in
Washington at 7:40 AM. Congressman Glynn had his heart
attack in the
smoking car and died almost immediately at 6:00 AM. They
telegraphed
ahead to Union Station to have a doctor ready there for him,
of course to
no avail. (Could they have telegraphed from a moving train,
or does that
imply they made a stop on the way to send the message?)
The most logical route to go by train from Huntington to
Washington in
1930 looks to have been the Baltimore & Ohio. If that is
the route they
followed, the question is how long it takes to get from
Harper's Ferry (at
the state line) to Washington Union Station -- less than an
hour and 40
minutes means he probably died in Maryland *IF* they took
the B&O.
However, the New York Times obituary, which gave much less
information,
stated that he died on a Chesapeake & Ohio train. It's not
at all clear
to me what the route would have been, but very likely it
would have been
through Virginia.
Could a C&O passenger train have run on B&O tracks in 1930?
Or could the
Times just be wrong about which railroad it was?
Note that Congressman Glynn was with a party of 12 members
of Congress who
had been at a funeral in West Virginia. They probably would
have wanted
the fastest available way back to DC.
Anyway, have at it, if you like, and many thanks for your
help.
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I am sending out to Lawrence Kestenbaum in today's "snail mail" a
listing of Rhode Island Mayors, not complete but a good list.
Comments-
1. The newest Mayor in Rhode Island is Scott Avedesian,
(Republican),elected in 2000 to succeed U.S. Senator Lincoln Chafee,
as Mayor of Warwick who had resigned to succeed his late father U.S.
Senator John H. Chafee.Gerald Gibbons,served as acting Mayor upon
Chafee's resignation, and was the Democratic nominee in the special
election.Gibbons was City Council President and Avedesian,City
Councilman from the First Ward.
2.I recently sent Lawrence Kestenbaum a "Rhode Island's Government
Owner's Manual",he'll be able to get some good stuff out of it.
3.William Macera(Democrat)is the current Mayor of Johnston,Rhode
Island.He is a former Roman Catholic Priest.He had run previously for
Mayor as an Independent.
4.The Mayor of Newport, Rhode Island; is actually City Council
President and presides over city council meetings.I think at one
point Mayors of Newport were elected to that position by voters. Now
the Mayor is elected from the city council membership.Newport has a
City Manager.
5.The Mayoralty that didn't last:West Warwick, Rhode Island.They have
a Town Manager now.This town had only two Mayors J. Michael Levesque
(Republican)and Kathryn O'Haire(Democrat),.Levesque was a candidate
for the Republican nomination for Rhode Island Governor 1992 primary,
which he lost.
6.North Providence has a Mayor now A. Ralph Mollis(Democrat),.The
late legendary "Sal" Mancini was Mayor of North Providence, and was
Democratic State Chairman in Rhode Island.
7.North Providence,East Providence,Providence,Warwick, and West
Warwick are separate municipalities.
The Official Records of The Rebellion list Brig. General James S. Jackson as
being killed in action October 8th 1862 while commanding the 10th Division
of the 1st Army Crop of the Army of The Ohio during the Battle of Perryville
(AKA Chaplain Hill ) KY, his death was mentioned by A.McD. McCook Major
General commanding 1st Crop, Army of The Ohio and by Major General Don
Carlos Buell U.S. Army commanding The Army Of The Ohio . no details were
listed by either General as to the location or the actions that lead to the
General's death . I will continue to research the AARs ( after action
reports ) of his command to see if one of his officers did provide details
of his death .
I remain
Your Most Humble Servant
Michael J. Belgie Sr.
1st Lt.
28th Reg't Of Pennsylvania Veteran Volunteers
Sons of The Veterans Reserve
The OR-Series 1-Volume XV/1 {S# 22}
The Transcript From Phonographic Notes Of The Buell Court Of Inquiry held in
Louisville KY January of 1863 shows the testimony of Percival P. Oldershaw ,
Captain , assistant adjutant-general to General James S. Jackson at the
Battle of Perryville KY
Under questioning of General Buell the Captain testified :"....... about 1
or a little later- probably half past 1--when we saw the rebel infantry
line. I myself was in the front , near General Jackson and when we first saw
them they were no more then 90 yards from us in the woods. Previous to
seeing them we were firing at long range without seeing the enemy and it was
a great surprise to General Jackson and myself as expressed by General
Jackson that the enemy was near us . We had time to turn the cannons around
a little and fire a few rounds of grapeshot at this short range of not more
then 90 yards .
Almost in returning the first round of grape General Jackson was felled by a
bullet. "
Under questioning of General Tyler on the influence of the General's death
on his division Captain Oldershaw testified that ".......... I don't think
his death had influence on the troops . The troops were all new to him at
the time. He was killed earl;y in the engagement , almost with the first
shot and was no in a position to be seen by the troops , he was standing at
the moment on the left of the battery the troops near him were lying on
their bellies ."
The General's body was recovered the 9th of October 1862 by Captain
Oldershaw and orderlies from the battlefield .
The "Buell Commission " was ordered by Edwin Stanton Secretary of War and
was conducted by General Halleck in to General Buell's action while in
command of the Army of Ohio.
Also note that Jackson was one of seven ranking officers killed in the
Battle of Perryville KY
Respectfully reported
Michael J. Belgie Sr.
1st Lt.
28th Reg't Pennsylvania Veteran Volunteers
Sons of The Veterans Reserve
It's a dramatic story: on February 28, 1844, practically the entire upper
echelon of the U.S. government, from President John Tyler on down,
including many cabinet members, congressional leaders, former First Lady
Dolley Madison, etc., boarded the Navy's steam frigate "Princeton" for a
brief cruise down the Potomac to see the huge "Peacemaker" cannon tested.
This was the largest cannon ever cast for any government up to that time;
it was able to shoot foot-diameter 225 pound cannonballs up to four miles.
The gun appeared to perform as advertised, until about 4pm when it
exploded, killing the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Navy, along
with (I just learned) N.Y. state senator David Gardiner, whose daughter
would later marry the President, and a former Minister to Belgium. Sen.
Thomas Hart Benton of Missouri was badly hurt.
Question is: where did this explosion happen? In the database, it's "near
Washington", which is clearly not acceptable for the same reasons I
mentioned in connection with Congressman Glynn.
Accounts I have been looking at have placed the explosion in THREE
different places:
1. Off the Maryland shore, near Fort Washington.
2. Near Alexandria, Virginia.
3. Near Mount Vernon (George Washington's old home), Virginia.
I tend to doubt #3, since as I understand it, the voyage was essentially
from Washington to Mount Vernon and back, and surely by 4pm they were on
the return trip.
Does anyone have any better ideas or resources on this?
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
I grew up near the Fort Washington area of Maryland and remember hearing from
the park rangers at the Fort about how the accident on the Princeton happened
near Fort Washington (which is virtually directly across the river from Mount
Vernon).
For more info, see:
http://thecabin.net/stories/111599/wor_1115990018.html
Jill M. Myers
Montgomery Village, MD
jmmyers@...
political-graveyard@egroups.com wrote:
>
It's a dramatic story: on February 28, 1844, practically the entire upper
echelon of the U.S. government, from President John Tyler on down,
including many cabinet members, congressional leaders, former First Lady
Dolley Madison, etc., boarded the Navy's steam frigate "Princeton" for a
brief cruise down the Potomac to see the huge "Peacemaker" cannon tested.
This was the largest cannon ever cast for any government up to that time;
it was able to shoot foot-diameter 225 pound cannonballs up to four miles.
The gun appeared to perform as advertised, until about 4pm when it
exploded, killing the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Navy, along
with (I just learned) N.Y. state senator David Gardiner, whose daughter
would later marry the President, and a former Minister to Belgium. Sen.
Thomas Hart Benton of Missouri was badly hurt.
Question is: where did this explosion happen? In the database, it's "near
Washington", which is clearly not acceptable for the same reasons I
mentioned in connection with Congressman Glynn.
Accounts I have been looking at have placed the explosion in THREE
different places:
1. Off the Maryland shore, near Fort Washington.
2. Near Alexandria, Virginia.
3. Near Mount Vernon (George Washington's old home), Virginia.
I tend to doubt #3, since as I understand it, the voyage was essentially
from Washington to Mount Vernon and back, and surely by 4pm they were on
the return trip.
Does anyone have any better ideas or resources on this?
---
Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
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From page 169 of a book titled The City of Washington: An Illustrated
History, by The Junior League of Washington, edited by Thomas Froncek
(Avenel, New Jersey: Wings Books, 1977) is the following:
"Most Awful and Most Lamentable Catastrophe!" read the headline in The
National Intelligencer the day after a gun exploded aboard the U.S.S.
Princeton during a gala inspection cruise. As the paper reported in its
issue of February 29, 1844, the accident occurred:
"yesterday afternoon, whilst [the Princeton was] under way, in the river
Potomac, fourteen or fifteen miles below this city.
"Guests to full four hundred of Commander Stockton, men and women,
were on board. The ship went below Fort Washington. To entertain the guests
and at the same time to exhibit the capacity of a formidable gun (carrying a
ball of 225 pounds) it was fired several times. On the return and at a time
when all the women and most of the men were in other parts of the ship--the
time of a sumptuous repast--to the request that the gun be fired the
Commander gave consent. The gun burst. The commander was stunned to extent
he did not recover for some days. Seventeen seamen were wounded and if any
were killed it is not mentioned. Five distinguished men were killed: Abel P.
Upshur, Secretary of State; Thomas W. Gilmer, Secretary of the Navy; Captain
Beverly W. Kennon, Chief of the Bureau of Construction and Equipment of the
Navy; Virgil Maxcy, Charge d'Affairs of the United States in Belgium David
Gardiner, Ex-Senator of New York.
"From the ship the next morning the bodies were transferred to the
east room of the President's Mansion and lay in State at the Mansion. ...
The procession was impressive. Twelve men of honorable distinction preceded
each hearse.The bodies were placed in the vault of the Congressional burying
ground."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Kestenbaum" <polygon@...>
To: <political-graveyard@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:15 PM
Subject: [political-graveyard] Explosion on the Princeton
>
>
> It's a dramatic story: on February 28, 1844, practically the entire upper
> echelon of the U.S. government, from President John Tyler on down,
> including many cabinet members, congressional leaders, former First Lady
> Dolley Madison, etc., boarded the Navy's steam frigate "Princeton" for a
> brief cruise down the Potomac to see the huge "Peacemaker" cannon tested.
> This was the largest cannon ever cast for any government up to that time;
> it was able to shoot foot-diameter 225 pound cannonballs up to four miles.
>
> The gun appeared to perform as advertised, until about 4pm when it
> exploded, killing the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Navy, along
> with (I just learned) N.Y. state senator David Gardiner, whose daughter
> would later marry the President, and a former Minister to Belgium. Sen.
> Thomas Hart Benton of Missouri was badly hurt.
>
> Question is: where did this explosion happen? In the database, it's "near
> Washington", which is clearly not acceptable for the same reasons I
> mentioned in connection with Congressman Glynn.
>
> Accounts I have been looking at have placed the explosion in THREE
> different places:
>
> 1. Off the Maryland shore, near Fort Washington.
>
> 2. Near Alexandria, Virginia.
>
> 3. Near Mount Vernon (George Washington's old home), Virginia.
>
> I tend to doubt #3, since as I understand it, the voyage was essentially
> from Washington to Mount Vernon and back, and surely by 4pm they were on
> the return trip.
>
> Does anyone have any better ideas or resources on this?
>
> ---
> Lawrence Kestenbaum, polygon@...
> The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
>
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On Wed, 17 May 2000, Michael J. Belgie wrote:
> The OR-Series 1-Volume XV/1 {S# 22}
> The Transcript From Phonographic Notes Of The Buell Court Of Inquiry held in
> Louisville KY January of 1863 shows the testimony of Percival P. Oldershaw ,
> Captain , assistant adjutant-general to General James S. Jackson at the
> Battle of Perryville KY
>
> Under questioning of General Buell the Captain testified :"....... about 1
> or a little later- probably half past 1--when we saw the rebel infantry
> line. I myself was in the front , near General Jackson and when we first saw
> them they were no more then 90 yards from us in the woods. Previous to
> seeing them we were firing at long range without seeing the enemy and it was
> a great surprise to General Jackson and myself as expressed by General
> Jackson that the enemy was near us . We had time to turn the cannons around
> a little and fire a few rounds of grapeshot at this short range of not more
> then 90 yards .
> Almost in returning the first round of grape General Jackson was felled by a
> bullet. "
>
> Under questioning of General Tyler on the influence of the General's death
> on his division Captain Oldershaw testified that ".......... I don't think
> his death had influence on the troops . The troops were all new to him at
> the time. He was killed earl;y in the engagement , almost with the first
> shot and was no in a position to be seen by the troops , he was standing at
> the moment on the left of the battery the troops near him were lying on
> their bellies ."
>
> The General's body was recovered the 9th of October 1862 by Captain
> Oldershaw and orderlies from the battlefield .
>
> The "Buell Commission " was ordered by Edwin Stanton Secretary of War and
> was conducted by General Halleck in to General Buell's action while in
> command of the Army of Ohio.
>
> Also note that Jackson was one of seven ranking officers killed in the
> Battle of Perryville KY
>
> Respectfully reported
>
> Michael J. Belgie Sr.
> 1st Lt.
> 28th Reg't Pennsylvania Veteran Volunteers
> Sons of The Veterans Reserve
Many thanks for your help with this!
---
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The Political Graveyard, http://politicalgraveyard.com
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