Then bring 'my topic: saving from killing' back to me.

Which one of your three glasses of wine is not free?<br><br><br>Muttlieb

Sixty blows? That's double the usual! Abbot, have
your western students made you lazy?<br><br>In
exchange for your excessive kindness, I return to you one
burst of laughter: <br><br>Ha Ha
Ha!<br><br><br>Bluebeard

I am sending you 60 blows for your piracy.

Many years ago, I emptied your 3 glasses of wine
in one gulp. Since then, I've been wandering around
inside the vinyard. Thirsty? No. But I do enjoy plucking
fresh grapes from the vine. It's a contest between me &
the birds: Who can laugh the loudest.

I already gave you 3 glasses of the best wine in
the world. But why are you thirsty still?<br><br>How
can you save yourself and others from killing?/If you
can hide yourself in the blade completely, there is
the way to live together./<br>But if you ask me what
is the last word for it,<br>I will reply it; Amen!

Yes, Abbot, but can you share with us anything you have enjoyed more than your
own great death?<br><br>Muttlieb

Dear fcd9134,<br>If you can say in your proflie,'Killing me is killing you', how
can you save yourself and others from "killing"?

Please check out our updated group site www.worldzen.org

Hello to all,<br>I am here to revive my mind and
soul, it has been years since i had the oppertunity to
read,discuss,or hear anything about Zen. <br>Since I live so far
north and with no other chance I am hoping to be able
to reignight this part which has simmer out of
me.<br>Please leave me a reply or a message, on yahoo messenger
at electromecanique<br>thank you in advance

Dear all Zen Friends in the world,<br>If you are
intrested in Haw-Du(Koan) practice, please feel free to
send e-mail to me.<br>I will send the Public
Case(Koan)s turn by turn to your home desk.<br>Let your
Udumbara blossom at this very moment.

It is not same nor different.<br>There was no news after the two fighting muddy
bulls got into the ocean.<br><br>       Zengate1

So I was determined to go to the O Dai mountains
to practice hard. I burnt my fingers to make my
heart strong. One day I saw a cloud in the sky. I felt
that my body was impermanent and shapeless just like
the cloud.With this thought, I burnt my right hand
after vowing 3,000 times everyday for 7 days. Then I
went into Do sol Ahm hermitage to the Tae Baik
Mountains alone. I was determined to sit without sleeping
nor eating after lunch for ten years. Kong an
practicing is the way of looking inside myself and it is the
way to control my mind by mind. What is Kong an? It
is just like the key that opens the mind, which is
<br>full of eighty-four-thousand dharma. It is this way
that can make us like the Buddha. But it is not easy.
If you keep the Kong an in your mind, then recite
inside it and think it over. Think it over without
stopping, then the Kong an can be seen clearly. Then one
step more; with great courage needed, it can be a true
Kong an. If you come to this point then enlightenment
is not far. If you want to be enlightened then you
should take off the slot. To take off the slot you
<br>need great courage. It is just like a sharp sword that
cut the hair by the breath on it. <br>I used to read
the sutra when I felt sleepy. That was because I was
determined not to sleep even I felt sleepy. When I finished
reading the sutra, somebody outside spoke and moved.
"That monk has finished reading now let`s
go."<br>According to the sutra there are references like this: " If
some one reads the sutra at night, the spirits hear
outside and are scattered."<br>Really I`d like to return
back to those days of hard practicing. One day I hit
my head and stomach to get rid of the slot. Old
teachers pricked it with a pin to get rid of the slot. But
I was only lazy. That night I could sit, keeping
kong an cleary. Soon it became bright outside, I went
out and found a flower smiling blossom. <br>The sun
shone and the birds sang. I thought the time to study
zen had come to me. I was sure I could concentrate
for 10 years. But only a few years passed when I
stared to be disturbed from other businesses again. Like
a stream, our lives go without stopping and are
formless. Cause and effect are very clear. These days, all
of us are confronted with a dilemma. So that makes
us harsh easily. But this is a good time to practice
zen. When we practice zen we can get an empty mind,
and with an empty mind we can be happy and
comfortable. Our state-of-mind can make our society bright. I
left my last words to my disciples already. After I`m
dead, burn me and divide my ashes in three. One-thirds
shall be flown to the air by balloons. And one of these
<br>shall be mixed with rice and be scattered in the
mountain for beasts. And the last one shall be put into
the sea for fish.I don`t want any sign like a stupa
or tombstone for my dead corps.<br>coming and
going<br>like rising and falling of moon<br>when the Sun set in
the west valley<br>the Moon will shine on the
shore<br><br>---&gt;finally I can upload all those thing...

I was accustomed to Buddhism since I was young.
My uncle graduated Maichi University in Japan, he
used to say to me "Everything comes from the
mind."<br>I carved it on the board and recited it everyday.
One time I fell down and hurt my knee, I meditated it
by heart, and the pain disappeared. After becoming a
monk, I practiced with fasting and got some mysterious
experience, and the strength to concentrate. If you do mantra
practicing, fast or vowing then you can clean your bad karma
by what you have done before. <br>It`s nice that
daily life would be a prayer itself. Every moment we
should keep a praying mind and sincerely pay attentions
to whoever we meet and whatever we do. Even in the
case when we meet a person who we dislike, if we pray
for him, then we don`t need spare time to pray. <br>I
learned the "The great mantra and Chunsu Kyung" from my
uncle. Once I recited in front of my friends at the
picnic while dancing, they laughed. So my nickname was
sunim (Monk).<br>When I was 14 years old, my father
became a monk under the Man kong zen master`s teaching,
and I went to Tong do-sa in Yang san and became one
of Ko Kyung sunim`s disciples. Ko Kyung sunim became
the Sutra master in Tong do-sa at the age of 26. But
he did many odd jobs like cooking and washing
clothes by himself, so visitors misunderstood him; as an
attendant asked him where Ko Kyung <br>sunim was. He took
care of his mother after she became old. After sixty,
he cooked for her in her eighties by himself. His
mother also, did mantra practicing for a long time. She
passed very comfortably.He was just like a clean
mirror.<br>Once I was called to the government office. They asked
me if there was an article to prevent monks to
marry. As for the commandments, if the precept of
sensual appetite is broken, then it is just the same as
breaking the rock(crag). If the precept of a false remark
is broken, then it is just same as cutting the head.
Breaking the <br>precepts makes it useless, just the same
as needles without eyes. Occasionally I was called
to be asked about the commandments.

Ilta sunim (The residential Master of Eun Hae-sa)
<br><br>- Looking Back on our life we can understand that
cause & Effect are clear - <br><br>The endless blue
sky<br>Rain falls from the clouds<br>In the empty
mountains<br>The stream flow with flowers blossom<br>It was well
known that 41 people became monks from my family. The
relation between Buddhism and my family started with my
great grand mother. She had three sons, who worked for
the family willow business. The Japanese willow
machine made good money for the domestic economy. Every
months they divided all the income, she took one-fourth
of it, and among the rest, the son who attended
<br>her best last month would take more. Because all the
sons wanted to let their mother stay in their homes,
all the neighbors envied their good family
relationship.She was very content with her sons. One day a
Buddhist nun came begging and said to her, "Attaching to
home business too much will make bad karma." My
grandma was surprised by her saying this and , begged her
to say how to avoid the bad karma following her as
for as 3 miles. The nun stayed at her house one night
without speaking, and at last said, "If you want to avoid
the bad Karma, don`t be proud of your sons in front
of your neighbors and instead, do mantra practicing,
"Namu Amitabul" as many times as you can. So she did
this for 30 years until she <br>died. So when her
consciousness became clear she received magic power , and saw
everything. One day she said "Prepare water instead of
working." There was a fire on that day but they could
escape.When my mother became old enough to get married, she
said to my grandfather "Go to the north as far as 12
km then you will find a young man named Kim. He will
be your daughter`s good husband" After she died,
there was a light around the house for 7 days and
that`s why all of my family was determined to become
monks. My mother was as sincere a buddhist as my
grandmother. My father was also sincere in Buddhism. They went
to Man Kong zen master and received a writing
"Everything comes from one thing, where does it come from?"
They put this writing on the wall to sit with this
kongan. They moved this writing <br>on their side of the
wall when they went to sleep. They might be good
dharma friends before life.

I have studied with Zen Master Sahn Sunim in Providence. Is your order part of
the Chogye Zen school or a different one?

Anyone needing directions to Lubber Run can go to yahoo maps.The Park address is
300 N. Park st. inArlington County.The map will also give you driving
directions.

PLEASE CHECK THE CALENDAR! There are many new
things happening over the next couple of
months.<br><br>If you aren't getting e-mail notification about all
the things that are going on please e-mail
fturfler2@... and ask to be added to the e-mailing list.

I think this is a great idea.  We should probably discuss how we can get the
most out of this medium.

I have suggested to sunim that he hold a weekly evening chat online.  Does
anyone have some input to this?

All members, their family and friends are invited
to relax at one of our member's home and cabin on
Oven Top Mountain in Sperryville, VA. This will be
informal and lots of fun. Children are welcome.
<br><br>RSVP by June 28 to: Barbara Adolfi,
adolfibarbara@...

unday June 13th - after our meditation session -
we will discuss some Sangha business/organizational
matters. It is open to all - please bring some food and we
will have a potluck lunch following the
meeting!<br>Good to be back and sit with everyone this morning!

en Master Poe Hwa Sunim and the Potomac Zen
Sangha, in honor of Buddha's birthday, will sponsor a
public sitting for world peace. In addition, there will
be a dharma talk, potluck lunch and Tae Kwon Doe
demonstrations. A dharma discussion will follow the lunch. The
Korean community has completed about 30 beautiful and
colorful lanterns. All are invited to attend.<br>Date:
Saturday, May 22, 1999<br>Time: 10 AM - 2 PM<br>Place: Fort
Hunt Park, section B (from the beltway take exit 1,
for route 1 north. Follow the signs for Mt. Vernon.
Go about five miles to the park entrance on the
right. Follow signs to section B)

en Master Poe Hwa Sunim and the Potomac Zen
Sangha, in honor of Buddha's birthday, will sponsor a
public sitting for world peace. In addition, there will
be a dharma talk, potluck lunch and Tae Kwon Doe
demonstrations. A dharma discussion will follow the lunch. The
Korean community has completed about 30 beautiful and
colorful lanterns. All are invited to attend.<br>Date:
Saturday, May 22, 1999<br>Time: 10 AM - 2 PM<br>Place: Fort
Hunt Park, section B (from the beltway take exit 1,
for route 1 north. Follow the signs for Mt. Vernon.
Go about five miles to the park entrance on the
right. Follow signs to section B)

think that the question of how to sit is very
important, but it really doesn't matter. What is important
is the discipline that grows through practice and
the ability to hold Sunim's cases in one's
consciousness. We should try to minimize our excuses for bad
practice. If we try to meditate with our eyes closed and
fall asleep, we should try it with our eyes slightly
opened. If we are in a lot of pain in the lotus position
and it hinders our practice, we should sit in another
way. These are my thoughts. Please don't listen to me.
These are great questions for Sunim. I just wanted to
see how this message posting/response works. Peace

hanks, found it. It seems we are all waiting for
a topic to be posted, so here goes. How should one
sit? Should we sit with eyes open, closed, somewhere
in between, or does it matter. Similarly, does it
matter how we sit ie. comfortably, lotus, kneeling. Or
is that just all form and not really substance.
Comments?

f you mean calendar,  it should appear as a link in a frame to the left of the
club page.  If it does not someone please let me know.

elcome, This is the Yahoo! Message Board for Po Hwa Sunim's Zen Group community.

elcome, This is the Yahoo! Message Board for Po Hwa Sunim's Zen Group community.

Welcome, This is the Yahoo! Message Board for Po Hwa Sunim's Zen Group
community.