I am new as of this minute to this group....

Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of traveling there this
summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any tips greatly appreciated.

Family name was Pearl or Perl.

Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC. Some left earlier to Safed
Israel, where they became a prominent family....recently one of the descendants
was the mayor of Safed.

I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major GENI.com family tree on Perl
family...so if anybody out there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl
connection...he would love to know. His email is david.perl@...

Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please contact me at
herb.goodman@.... Thanks!

Herb Goodman

Hello cousin Herb! I've already had one person respond to your post.

I just joined as well, though my brother-in-law has been in this group for some
time. As Herb mentioned, I've spent quite a bit of time on what has become a
fairly large Geni tree. If anyone else is using Geni and would like to
collaborate (or are connected!) let me know.

David

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, goodmanherb@... wrote:
>
> I am new as of this minute to this group....
>
> Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of traveling there this
summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any tips greatly appreciated.
>
> Family name was Pearl or Perl.
>
> Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC. Some left earlier to
Safed Israel, where they became a prominent family....recently one of the
descendants was the mayor of Safed.
>
> I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major GENI.com family tree on Perl
family...so if anybody out there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl
connection...he would love to know. His email is david.perl@...
>
> Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please contact me at
> herb.goodman@... Thanks!
>
> Herb Goodman
>

Francine...thanks. I will leave it to David....my cousin in Austin to make the
connection genealogy connections...but I think we are related. My mom talks
about family involved in Star Furniture...which sold a number of years ago to
Warren Buffets company. My mom grew up in Brownsville Texas with another family
from Podhajce, the Edelsteins...who were also in the furniture business. How do
you know about the Perl's? Do you know the one's in Safed? David lives in Austin
and may know Cindy Stein. SMALL WORLD! More later.

Do you have contact info for Alex Dunai?

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, Francine Shapiro <franshap@...> wrote:
>
> I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's a small town. The
synagogue needs renovation and restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The
mill was destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new building. The
original owner's wife is very old, but alive in Yavne. The cemetery was also
unfenced, and still is. I think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but
mine is a minority opinion.
>    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures. They were building a
Greek Catholic church, and I'm sure it's been completed by now. We actually had
lunch in the little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on.
>    My family was from Podhajce on one side. My grandmother was really born
in Biela Konice, a hamlet about six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too,
I think. Her parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol.
>   Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots. They own a furniture
store called Star Furniture, and it's been in business for the last 80 years.
The woman who started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my late
cousin's late husband.  
>   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you happen to know them.
Cindy Stein lives in Austin.
>    If I were to do the trip again, I think I would also go to some of the
major non-Jewish sights in the area. All the small towns are just that. It
doesn't take long to see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of
context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through Rohatyn, which is
particularly beautiful. The Austrians put some effort into beautifying the
centers a little, and it's really aesthetic.
>    The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was Josef Perl who started a
modern school in
> Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
> I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think there was- at the Podhajce
ceremony in June at the  Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
> Francine Shapiro
> Jerusalem
>
> --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:
>
> From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       I am new as of this minute to this group....
>
>
>
> Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of traveling there this
summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any tips greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Family name was Pearl or Perl.
>
>
>
> Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC. Some left earlier to
Safed Israel, where they became a prominent family....recently one of the
descendants was the mayor of Safed.
>
>
>
> I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major GENI.com family tree on Perl
family...so if anybody out there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl
connection...he would love to know. His email is david.perl@...
>
>
>
> Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please contact me at
>
> herb.goodman@... Thanks!
>
>
>
> Herb Goodman
>

Jeff,

I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24 hours...all of this info could
come together for me. All of you seem to have been onto this Podhajce stuff for
awhile....David and I are just digging in.

To all who read this.... I am planning...not for sure...but planning to try to
get to Budapest or maybe Vienna sometime in late June or early July. I will be
traveling on award mileage on American Airlines from Dallas Texas...so I need to
see what is available.

My great Great garndfather is buried in the National cemetery in Vienna, hence
the desire to possibly start or end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so
she might be able to direct me to the grave.

Our ancestors would never believe that the internet is starting to bring us all
back together. As they headed in their carts or on foot pout to the port of
Hamburg or wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they never imagined that
anybody would ever want to come back to this place they escaped from!

Finally...for today at least....our family came from Podhajce to the port of
Galveston Texas in the late 1800's, early 1900's. There were a few other
Podhajce families on the boat with them...and some families ultimately settled
in Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The story goes that others on
the boat did not get off in Galveston...and continued on to Argentina of all
places. Some of the people in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to
visit these other descendants of Podhajce!

Perhaps we shall all meet this summer...

Herb Goodman
Dallas Texas

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Francine,
>  
> I think we corresponded a few years back...
>  
> The cemetery received a fence, I think a couple years ago, due to the tireless
work of Meylakh Sheykhet...
>  
> I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a fund left by my father's
half-sister, who was born in Podhajce in 1902. The rules of the fund required
the funds to be earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was spent on food,
clothing, medicine and school supplies for the Lviv community.
>  
> Meylakh put together a written estimate to stabilize and clean the shul at a
cost between $30 and 50,000. Someone replaced the roof several years ago...it
would be nice if our group could raise the money to improve the building...are
their any machers in our midst? Or anyone who knows a fund or org out there that
funds these types of things?
>  
> As you can see from the video, expat Podhajcer Poles began fixing their ruined
cathedral, also in the town.
>  
> If interested parties can agree on a date, we can all meet in a convenient
city (Budapest?) and drive there.  This may be the best approach (as any flight
to Lviv requires two expensive flights and is still 2 hours from Podhajce by
car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce train service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was
something like 4 hours...yeesh. 
>  
> The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could facilitate us.  It is really worth
staying a few days...one day wont do and you'll want to stay longer. 
>  
> Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce, Dr. Bohdan Metik died last year. 
Apart from speaking English, he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life
and counted several Jews among his friends...one of which, Alex Kimmel has a
website and I believe the two spoke after 60 years of silence!
>  
> Jeff Kellner
> Brno, CZ
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro <franshap@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@...>
> Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's a small town. The
synagogue needs renovation and restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The
mill was destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new building. The
original owner's wife is very old, but alive in Yavne. The cemetery was also
unfenced, and still is. I think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but
mine is a minority opinion.
>    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures. They were building a Greek
Catholic church, and I'm sure it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch
in the little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on.
>    My family was from Podhajce on one side. My grandmother was really born in
Biela Konice, a hamlet about six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I
think. Her parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol.
>   Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots. They own a furniture
store called Star Furniture, and it's been in business for the last 80 years.
The woman who started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my late
cousin's late husband.  
>   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you happen to know them. Cindy
Stein lives in Austin.
>    If I were to do the trip again, I think I would also go to some of the
major non-Jewish sights in the area. All the small towns are just that. It
doesn't take long to see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of
context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through Rohatyn, which is
particularly beautiful. The Austrians put some effort into beautifying the
centers a little, and it's really aesthetic.
>    The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was Josef Perl who started a
modern school in
> Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
> I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think there was- at the Podhajce
ceremony in June at the  Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
> Francine Shapiro
> Jerusalem
>
> --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
>
>
>  
>
> I am new as of this minute to this group....
>
> Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of traveling there this
summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any tips greatly appreciated.
>
> Family name was Pearl or Perl.
>
> Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC. Some left earlier to
Safed Israel, where they became a prominent family....recently one of the
descendants was the mayor of Safed.
>
> I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major GENI.com family tree on Perl
family...so if anybody out there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl
connection...he would love to know. His email is david.perl@...
>
> Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please contact me at
> herb.goodman@... Thanks!
>
> Herb Goodman
>

Hi Herb,

Wow, Podhajce Texans, now I've hoid everything!

Thanks for the email...Vienna would be a better starting point for a number of
reasons...I live about 2 hrs from Vienna...Podhajce is about a 2 hour drive from
Lviv, so driving from Vienna or Budapest isnt so crazy.
But there is a Vienna-Lviv flight on a cheap (possibly Romanian) airline.
It goes thru Budapest and is quite long...a rented car or van would be cheaper
if a few people go.

I am not sure if the Ukrainians lifted their expensive visa requirements on
Americans, someone told me yes but its worth researching.

Funny, my grandma (from Podhajce) had a cousin who didnt have the luxury of
choosing where to get off, they immigrated to Brazil in the 30s as the US was
cut off due to the then anti-immigration fever (!) I found my distant cousins
first on the Vad Hashem Shoah databse and then skype and a few hours later we
were hooked up! The miracle of the internet age, would have taken weeks by
post...

Thanks again,
Jeff



--- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:

> From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:21 AM
> Jeff,
>
> I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24 hours...all
> of this info could come together for me. All of you seem to
> have been onto this Podhajce stuff for awhile....David and I
> are just digging in.
>
> To all who read this.... I am planning...not for sure...but
> planning to try to get to Budapest or maybe Vienna sometime
> in late June or early July. I will be traveling on award
> mileage on American Airlines from Dallas Texas...so I need
> to see what is available.
>
> My great Great garndfather is buried in the National
> cemetery in Vienna, hence the desire to possibly start or
> end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so she might be
> able to direct me to the grave.
>
> Our ancestors would never believe that the internet is
> starting to bring us all back together. As they headed in
> their carts or on foot pout to the port of Hamburg or
> wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they never imagined
> that anybody would ever want to come back to this place they
> escaped from!
>
> Finally...for today at least....our family came from
> Podhajce to the port of Galveston Texas in the late 1800's,
> early 1900's. There were a few other Podhajce families on
> the boat with them...and some families ultimately settled in
> Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The story goes
> that others on the boat did not get off in Galveston...and
> continued on to Argentina of all places. Some of the people
> in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to visit
> these other descendants of Podhajce!
>
> Perhaps we shall all meet this summer...
>
> Herb Goodman
> Dallas Texas
>
> --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Francine,
> >  
> > I think we corresponded a few years back...
> >  
> > The cemetery received a fence, I think a couple years
> ago, due to the tireless work of Meylakh Sheykhet...
> >  
> > I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a fund left
> by my father's half-sister, who was born in Podhajce in
> 1902. The rules of the fund required the funds to be
> earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was spent on
> food, clothing, medicine and school supplies for the Lviv
> community.
> >  
> > Meylakh put together a written estimate to stabilize
> and clean the shul at a cost between $30 and 50,000. Someone
> replaced the roof several years ago...it would be nice if
> our group could raise the money to improve the
> building...are their any machers in our midst? Or anyone who
> knows a fund or org out there that funds these types of
> things?
> >  
> > As you can see from the video, expat Podhajcer Poles
> began fixing their ruined cathedral, also in the town.
> >  
> > If interested parties can agree on a date, we can all
> meet in a convenient city (Budapest?) and drive there. 
> This may be the best approach (as any flight to Lviv
> requires two expensive flights and is still 2 hours from
> Podhajce by car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce train
> service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was something like 4
> hours...yeesh. 
> >  
> > The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could facilitate
> us.  It is really worth staying a few days...one day wont
> do and you'll want to stay longer. 
> >  
> > Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce, Dr.
> Bohdan Metik died last year.  Apart from speaking English,
> he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life and
> counted several Jews among his friends...one of which, Alex
> Kimmel has a website and I believe the two spoke after 60
> years of silence!
> >  
> > Jeff Kellner
> > Brno, CZ
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro
> <franshap@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@...>
> > Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's
> a small town. The synagogue needs renovation and
> restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The mill was
> destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new
> building. The original owner's wife is very old, but alive
> in Yavne. The cemetery was also unfenced, and still is. I
> think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but mine is
> a minority opinion.
> >    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures.
> They were building a Greek Catholic church, and I'm sure
> it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch in the
> little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on.
> >    My family was from Podhajce on one side. My
> grandmother was really born in Biela Konice, a hamlet about
> six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I think. Her
> parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol.
> >   Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots.
> They own a furniture store called Star Furniture, and it's
> been in business for the last 80 years. The woman who
> started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my
> late cousin's late husband.  
> >   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you
> happen to know them. Cindy Stein lives in Austin.
> >    If I were to do the trip again, I think I would
> also go to some of the major non-Jewish sights in the area.
> All the small towns are just that. It doesn't take long to
> see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of
> context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through
> Rohatyn, which is particularly beautiful. The Austrians put
> some effort into beautifying the centers a little, and it's
> really aesthetic.
> >    The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was
> Josef Perl who started a modern school in
> > Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
> > I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think
> there was- at the Podhajce ceremony in June at the 
> Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
> > Francine Shapiro
> > Jerusalem
> >
> > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@...
> <goodmanherb@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> > Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > I am new as of this minute to this group....
> >
> > Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of
> traveling there this summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any
> tips greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Family name was Pearl or Perl.
> >
> > Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC.
> Some left earlier to Safed Israel, where they became a
> prominent family....recently one of the descendants was the
> mayor of Safed.
> >
> > I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major
> GENI.com family tree on Perl family...so if anybody out
> there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl connection...he
> would love to know. His email is david.perl@...
> >
> > Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please
> contact me at
> > herb.goodman@... Thanks!
> >
> > Herb Goodman
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Jeff,

Thanks for your reply. Vienna would also be of interest as my Great Great
grandfather is buried in the National cemetery there. Would love to figure out a
visit there. But I have heard Budapest is a fabulous city too. trying to figure
out best route / available flights. Looks like train between Vienna and Budapest
is 3 - 4 hours and +/- $100 (US)...so maybe we go into one and out of the other.
I will let you know.

Has anybody catalogued the graves in Podhajce?

As to the internet helping with all of this... I can not imagine making alll of
these connections any other way. How would we have found each other? How would
we share all of this information....?? A much better use of this technology
would be hard to imagine.

I will stay in touch. Thanks!

Herb

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Herb,
>
> Wow, Podhajce Texans, now I've hoid everything!
>
> Thanks for the email...Vienna would be a better starting point for a number of
reasons...I live about 2 hrs from Vienna...Podhajce is about a 2 hour drive from
Lviv, so driving from Vienna or Budapest isnt so crazy.
> But there is a Vienna-Lviv flight on a cheap (possibly Romanian) airline.
> It goes thru Budapest and is quite long...a rented car or van would be cheaper
if a few people go.
>
> I am not sure if the Ukrainians lifted their expensive visa requirements on
Americans, someone told me yes but its worth researching.
>
> Funny, my grandma (from Podhajce) had a cousin who didnt have the luxury of
choosing where to get off, they immigrated to Brazil in the 30s as the US was
cut off due to the then anti-immigration fever (!) I found my distant cousins
first on the Vad Hashem Shoah databse and then skype and a few hours later we
were hooked up! The miracle of the internet age, would have taken weeks by
post...
>
> Thanks again,
> Jeff
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:
>
> > From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> > Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
> > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:21 AM
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24 hours...all
> > of this info could come together for me. All of you seem to
> > have been onto this Podhajce stuff for awhile....David and I
> > are just digging in.
> >
> > To all who read this.... I am planning...not for sure...but
> > planning to try to get to Budapest or maybe Vienna sometime
> > in late June or early July. I will be traveling on award
> > mileage on American Airlines from Dallas Texas...so I need
> > to see what is available.
> >
> > My great Great garndfather is buried in the National
> > cemetery in Vienna, hence the desire to possibly start or
> > end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so she might be
> > able to direct me to the grave.
> >
> > Our ancestors would never believe that the internet is
> > starting to bring us all back together. As they headed in
> > their carts or on foot pout to the port of Hamburg or
> > wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they never imagined
> > that anybody would ever want to come back to this place they
> > escaped from!
> >
> > Finally...for today at least....our family came from
> > Podhajce to the port of Galveston Texas in the late 1800's,
> > early 1900's. There were a few other Podhajce families on
> > the boat with them...and some families ultimately settled in
> > Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The story goes
> > that others on the boat did not get off in Galveston...and
> > continued on to Argentina of all places. Some of the people
> > in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to visit
> > these other descendants of Podhajce!
> >
> > Perhaps we shall all meet this summer...
> >
> > Herb Goodman
> > Dallas Texas
> >
> > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> > JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Francine,
> > >  
> > > I think we corresponded a few years back...
> > >  
> > > The cemetery received a fence, I think a couple years
> > ago, due to the tireless work of Meylakh Sheykhet...
> > >  
> > > I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a fund left
> > by my father's half-sister, who was born in Podhajce in
> > 1902. The rules of the fund required the funds to be
> > earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was spent on
> > food, clothing, medicine and school supplies for the Lviv
> > community.
> > >  
> > > Meylakh put together a written estimate to stabilize
> > and clean the shul at a cost between $30 and 50,000. Someone
> > replaced the roof several years ago...it would be nice if
> > our group could raise the money to improve the
> > building...are their any machers in our midst? Or anyone who
> > knows a fund or org out there that funds these types of
> > things?
> > >  
> > > As you can see from the video, expat Podhajcer Poles
> > began fixing their ruined cathedral, also in the town.
> > >  
> > > If interested parties can agree on a date, we can all
> > meet in a convenient city (Budapest?) and drive there. 
> > This may be the best approach (as any flight to Lviv
> > requires two expensive flights and is still 2 hours from
> > Podhajce by car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce train
> > service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was something like 4
> > hours...yeesh. 
> > >  
> > > The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could facilitate
> > us.  It is really worth staying a few days...one day wont
> > do and you'll want to stay longer. 
> > >  
> > > Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce, Dr.
> > Bohdan Metik died last year.  Apart from speaking English,
> > he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life and
> > counted several Jews among his friends...one of which, Alex
> > Kimmel has a website and I believe the two spoke after 60
> > years of silence!
> > >  
> > > Jeff Kellner
> > > Brno, CZ
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro
> > <franshap@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@>
> > > Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's
> > a small town. The synagogue needs renovation and
> > restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The mill was
> > destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new
> > building. The original owner's wife is very old, but alive
> > in Yavne. The cemetery was also unfenced, and still is. I
> > think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but mine is
> > a minority opinion.
> > >    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures.
> > They were building a Greek Catholic church, and I'm sure
> > it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch in the
> > little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on.
> > >    My family was from Podhajce on one side. My
> > grandmother was really born in Biela Konice, a hamlet about
> > six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I think. Her
> > parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol.
> > >   Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots.
> > They own a furniture store called Star Furniture, and it's
> > been in business for the last 80 years. The woman who
> > started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my
> > late cousin's late husband.  
> > >   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you
> > happen to know them. Cindy Stein lives in Austin.
> > >    If I were to do the trip again, I think I would
> > also go to some of the major non-Jewish sights in the area.
> > All the small towns are just that. It doesn't take long to
> > see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of
> > context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through
> > Rohatyn, which is particularly beautiful. The Austrians put
> > some effort into beautifying the centers a little, and it's
> > really aesthetic.
> > >    The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was
> > Josef Perl who started a modern school in
> > > Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
> > > I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think
> > there was- at the Podhajce ceremony in June at the 
> > Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
> > > Francine Shapiro
> > > Jerusalem
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@
> > <goodmanherb@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
> > > Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > I am new as of this minute to this group....
> > >
> > > Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of
> > traveling there this summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any
> > tips greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Family name was Pearl or Perl.
> > >
> > > Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC.
> > Some left earlier to Safed Israel, where they became a
> > prominent family....recently one of the descendants was the
> > mayor of Safed.
> > >
> > > I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major
> > GENI.com family tree on Perl family...so if anybody out
> > there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl connection...he
> > would love to know. His email is david.perl@
> > >
> > > Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please
> > contact me at
> > > herb.goodman@ Thanks!
> > >
> > > Herb Goodman
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: goodmanherb@...

To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:01 AM

Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce

 

Jeff,

Thanks for your reply. Vienna would also be of interest as my Great Great grandfather is buried in the National cemetery there. Would love to figure out a visit there. But I have heard Budapest is a fabulous city too. trying to figure out best route / available flights. Looks like train between Vienna and Budapest is 3 - 4 hours and +/- $100 (US)...so maybe we go into one and out of the other. I will let you know.

Has anybody catalogued the graves in Podhajce?

As to the internet helping with all of this... I can not imagine making alll of these connections any other way. How would we have found each other? How would we share all of this information....?? A much better use of this technology would be hard to imagine.

I will stay in touch. Thanks!

Herb

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Herb,
>
> Wow, Podhajce Texans, now I've hoid everything!
>
> Thanks for the email...Vienna would be a better starting point for a number of reasons...I live about 2 hrs from Vienna...Podhajce is about a 2 hour drive from Lviv, so driving from Vienna or Budapest isnt so crazy.
> But there is a Vienna-Lviv flight on a cheap (possibly Romanian) airline.
> It goes thru Budapest and is quite long...a rented car or van would be cheaper if a few people go.
>
> I am not sure if the Ukrainians lifted their expensive visa requirements on Americans, someone told me yes but its worth researching.
>
> Funny, my grandma (from Podhajce) had a cousin who didnt have the luxury of choosing where to get off, they immigrated to Brazil in the 30s as the US was cut off due to the then anti-immigration fever (!) I found my distant cousins first on the Vad Hashem Shoah databse and then skype and a few hours later we were hooked up! The miracle of the internet age, would have taken weeks by post...
>
> Thanks again,
> Jeff
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:
>
> > From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> > Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
> > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:21 AM
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24 hours...all
> > of this info could come together for me. All of you seem to
> > have been onto this Podhajce stuff for awhile....David and I
> > are just digging in.
> >
> > To all who read this.... I am planning...not for sure...but
> > planning to try to get to Budapest or maybe Vienna sometime
> > in late June or early July. I will be traveling on award
> > mileage on American Airlines from Dallas Texas...so I need
> > to see what is available.
> >
> > My great Great garndfather is buried in the National
> > cemetery in Vienna, hence the desire to possibly start or
> > end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so she might be
> > able to direct me to the grave.
> >
> > Our ancestors would never believe that the internet is
> > starting to bring us all back together. As they headed in
> > their carts or on foot pout to the port of Hamburg or
> > wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they never imagined
> > that anybody would ever want to come back to this place they
> > escaped from!
> >
> > Finally...for today at least....our family came from
> > Podhajce to the port of Galveston Texas in the late 1800's,
> > early 1900's. There were a few other Podhajce families on
> > the boat with them...and some families ultimately settled in
> > Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The story goes
> > that others on the boat did not get off in Galveston...and
> > continued on to Argentina of all places. Some of the people
> > in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to visit
> > these other descendants of Podhajce!
> >
> > Perhaps we shall all meet this summer...
> >
> > Herb Goodman
> > Dallas Texas
> >
> > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> > JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Francine,
> > >  
> > > I think we corresponded a few years back...
> > >  
> > > The cemetery received a fence, I think a couple years
> > ago, due to the tireless work of Meylakh Sheykhet...
> > >  
> > > I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a fund left
> > by my father's half-sister, who was born in Podhajce in
> > 1902. The rules of the fund required the funds to be
> > earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was spent on
> > food, clothing, medicine and school supplies for the Lviv
> > community.
> > >  
> > > Meylakh put together a written estimate to stabilize
> > and clean the shul at a cost between $30 and 50,000. Someone
> > replaced the roof several years ago...it would be nice if
> > our group could raise the money to improve the
> > building...are their any machers in our midst? Or anyone who
> > knows a fund or org out there that funds these types of
> > things?
> > >  
> > > As you can see from the video, expat Podhajcer Poles
> > began fixing their ruined cathedral, also in the town.
> > >  
> > > If interested parties can agree on a date, we can all
> > meet in a convenient city (Budapest?) and drive there. 
> > This may be the best approach (as any flight to Lviv
> > requires two expensive flights and is still 2 hours from
> > Podhajce by car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce train
> > service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was something like 4
> > hours...yeesh. 
> > >  
> > > The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could facilitate
> > us.  It is really worth staying a few days...one day wont
> > do and you'll want to stay longer. 
> > >  
> > > Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce, Dr.
> > Bohdan Metik died last year.  Apart from speaking English,
> > he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life and
> > counted several Jews among his friends...one of which, Alex
> > Kimmel has a website and I believe the two spoke after 60
> > years of silence!
> > >  
> > > Jeff Kellner
> > > Brno, CZ
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro
> > <franshap@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@>
> > > Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's
> > a small town. The synagogue needs renovation and
> > restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The mill was
> > destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new
> > building. The original owner's wife is very old, but alive
> > in Yavne. The cemetery was also unfenced, and still is. I
> > think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but mine is
> > a minority opinion.
> > >    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures.
> > They were building a Greek Catholic church, and I'm sure
> > it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch in the
> > little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on.
> > >    My family was from Podhajce on one side. My
> > grandmother was really born in Biela Konice, a hamlet about
> > six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I think. Her
> > parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol.
> > >   Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots.
> > They own a furniture store called Star Furniture, and it's
> > been in business for the last 80 years. The woman who
> > started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my
> > late cousin's late husband.  
> > >   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you
> > happen to know them. Cindy Stein lives in Austin.
> > >    If I were to do the trip again, I think I would
> > also go to some of the major non-Jewish sights in the area.
> > All the small towns are just that. It doesn't take long to
> > see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of
> > context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through
> > Rohatyn, which is particularly beautiful. The Austrians put
> > some effort into beautifying the centers a little, and it's
> > really aesthetic.
> > >    The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was
> > Josef Perl who started a modern school in
> > > Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
> > > I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think
> > there was- at the Podhajce ceremony in June at the 
> > Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
> > > Francine Shapiro
> > > Jerusalem
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@
> > <goodmanherb@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
> > > Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > I am new as of this minute to this group....
> > >
> > > Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of
> > traveling there this summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any
> > tips greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Family name was Pearl or Perl.
> > >
> > > Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC.
> > Some left earlier to Safed Israel, where they became a
> > prominent family....recently one of the descendants was the
> > mayor of Safed.
> > >
> > > I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major
> > GENI.com family tree on Perl family...so if anybody out
> > there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl connection...he
> > would love to know. His email is david.perl@
> > >
> > > Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please
> > contact me at
> > > herb.goodman@ Thanks!
> > >
> > > Herb Goodman
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>

If a car is shared it would be cheaper than the other forms of transport, but
maybe people arent up for an eastern european road trip?

But a car will be needed to get to Podhajce...even from Lviv.

It might be cheaper to hire a car in Lviv and get to Lviv via plane bus or
train...bus is the cheapest and surprisingly not much slower as the train has to
switch its wheels at the border...there are no direct flights to Lviv from the
US so a flight to Budapest or even Vienna might be better...

I've lived in CZ for 5+ years so I've tried it all...oof!

Jeff

--- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:

> From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 4:01 PM
> Jeff,
>
> Thanks for your reply. Vienna would also be of interest as
> my Great Great grandfather is buried in the National
> cemetery there. Would love to figure out a visit there. But
> I have heard Budapest is a fabulous city too. trying to
> figure out best route / available flights. Looks like train
> between Vienna and Budapest is 3 - 4 hours and +/- $100
> (US)...so maybe we go into one and out of the other. I will
> let you know.
>
> Has anybody catalogued the graves in Podhajce?
>
> As to the internet helping with all of this... I can not
> imagine making alll of these connections any other way. How
> would we have found each other? How would we share all of
> this information....?? A much better use of this technology
> would be hard to imagine.
>
> I will stay in touch. Thanks!
>
> Herb
>
> --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Herb,
> >
> > Wow, Podhajce Texans, now I've hoid everything!
> >
> > Thanks for the email...Vienna would be a better
> starting point for a number of reasons...I live about 2 hrs
> from Vienna...Podhajce is about a 2 hour drive from Lviv, so
> driving from Vienna or Budapest isnt so crazy.
> > But there is a Vienna-Lviv flight on a cheap (possibly
> Romanian) airline.
> > It goes thru Budapest and is quite long...a rented car
> or van would be cheaper if a few people go.
> >
> > I am not sure if the Ukrainians lifted their expensive
> visa requirements on Americans, someone told me yes but its
> worth researching.
> >
> > Funny, my grandma (from Podhajce) had a cousin who
> didnt have the luxury of choosing where to get off, they
> immigrated to Brazil in the 30s as the US was cut off due to
> the then anti-immigration fever (!) I found my distant
> cousins first on the Vad Hashem Shoah databse and then skype
> and a few hours later we were hooked up! The miracle of the
> internet age, would have taken weeks by post...
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@...
> <goodmanherb@...> wrote:
> >
> > > From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> > > Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:21 AM
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24
> hours...all
> > > of this info could come together for me. All of
> you seem to
> > > have been onto this Podhajce stuff for
> awhile....David and I
> > > are just digging in.
> > >
> > > To all who read this.... I am planning...not for
> sure...but
> > > planning to try to get to Budapest or maybe
> Vienna sometime
> > > in late June or early July. I will be traveling
> on award
> > > mileage on American Airlines from Dallas
> Texas...so I need
> > > to see what is available.
> > >
> > > My great Great garndfather is buried in the
> National
> > > cemetery in Vienna, hence the desire to possibly
> start or
> > > end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so
> she might be
> > > able to direct me to the grave.
> > >
> > > Our ancestors would never believe that the
> internet is
> > > starting to bring us all back together. As they
> headed in
> > > their carts or on foot pout to the port of
> Hamburg or
> > > wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they
> never imagined
> > > that anybody would ever want to come back to this
> place they
> > > escaped from!
> > >
> > > Finally...for today at least....our family came
> from
> > > Podhajce to the port of Galveston Texas in the
> late 1800's,
> > > early 1900's. There were a few other Podhajce
> families on
> > > the boat with them...and some families ultimately
> settled in
> > > Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The
> story goes
> > > that others on the boat did not get off in
> Galveston...and
> > > continued on to Argentina of all places. Some of
> the people
> > > in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to
> visit
> > > these other descendants of Podhajce!
> > >
> > > Perhaps we shall all meet this summer...
> > >
> > > Herb Goodman
> > > Dallas Texas
> > >
> > > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> > > JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Francine,
> > > >  
> > > > I think we corresponded a few years back...
> > > >  
> > > > The cemetery received a fence, I think a
> couple years
> > > ago, due to the tireless work of Meylakh
> Sheykhet...
> > > >  
> > > > I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a
> fund left
> > > by my father's half-sister, who was born in
> Podhajce in
> > > 1902. The rules of the fund required the funds to
> be
> > > earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was
> spent on
> > > food, clothing, medicine and school supplies for
> the Lviv
> > > community.
> > > >  
> > > > Meylakh put together a written estimate to
> stabilize
> > > and clean the shul at a cost between $30 and
> 50,000. Someone
> > > replaced the roof several years ago...it would be
> nice if
> > > our group could raise the money to improve the
> > > building...are their any machers in our midst? Or
> anyone who
> > > knows a fund or org out there that funds these
> types of
> > > things?
> > > >  
> > > > As you can see from the video, expat
> Podhajcer Poles
> > > began fixing their ruined cathedral, also in the
> town.
> > > >  
> > > > If interested parties can agree on a date,
> we can all
> > > meet in a convenient city (Budapest?) and drive
> there. 
> > > This may be the best approach (as any flight to
> Lviv
> > > requires two expensive flights and is still 2
> hours from
> > > Podhajce by car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce
> train
> > > service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was
> something like 4
> > > hours...yeesh. 
> > > >  
> > > > The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could
> facilitate
> > > us.  It is really worth staying a few days...one
> day wont
> > > do and you'll want to stay longer. 
> > > >  
> > > > Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce,
> Dr.
> > > Bohdan Metik died last year.  Apart from
> speaking English,
> > > he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life
> and
> > > counted several Jews among his friends...one of
> which, Alex
> > > Kimmel has a website and I believe the two spoke
> after 60
> > > years of silence!
> > > >  
> > > > Jeff Kellner
> > > > Brno, CZ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro
> > > <franshap@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@>
> > > > Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my
> guide. It's
> > > a small town. The synagogue needs renovation and
> > > restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The
> mill was
> > > destroyed in World War II, and the one standing
> is a new
> > > building. The original owner's wife is very old,
> but alive
> > > in Yavne. The cemetery was also unfenced, and
> still is. I
> > > think the goats do good work trimming the grass,
> but mine is
> > > a minority opinion.
> > > >    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's
> pictures.
> > > They were building a Greek Catholic church, and
> I'm sure
> > > it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch
> in the
> > > little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time
> moves on.
> > > >    My family was from Podhajce on one
> side. My
> > > grandmother was really born in Biela Konice, a
> hamlet about
> > > six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I
> think. Her
> > > parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in
> Tarnopol.
> > > >   Some of my Galveston relatives have
> Podhajce roots.
> > > They own a furniture store called Star Furniture,
> and it's
> > > been in business for the last 80 years. The woman
> who
> > > started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the
> aunt of my
> > > late cousin's late husband.  
> > > >   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and
> whatever, if you
> > > happen to know them. Cindy Stein lives in
> Austin.
> > > >    If I were to do the trip again, I think
> I would
> > > also go to some of the major non-Jewish sights in
> the area.
> > > All the small towns are just that. It doesn't
> take long to
> > > see them.It is helpful to put these places in
> some sort of
> > > context- what other towns looked like, etc.We
> went through
> > > Rohatyn, which is particularly beautiful. The
> Austrians put
> > > some effort into beautifying the centers a
> little, and it's
> > > really aesthetic.
> > > >    The Perls are an interesting bunch.
> There was
> > > Josef Perl who started a modern school in
> > > > Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
> > > > I am trying to remember if there was a
> Perl-I think
> > > there was- at the Podhajce ceremony in June at
> the 
> > > Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
> > > > Francine Shapiro
> > > > Jerusalem
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@
> > > <goodmanherb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
> > > > Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > > I am new as of this minute to this
> group....
> > > >
> > > > Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking
> of
> > > traveling there this summer...perhaps from
> Budapest. Any
> > > tips greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Family name was Pearl or Perl.
> > > >
> > > > Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX
> or NYC.
> > > Some left earlier to Safed Israel, where they
> became a
> > > prominent family....recently one of the
> descendants was the
> > > mayor of Safed.
> > > >
> > > > I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a
> major
> > > GENI.com family tree on Perl family...so if
> anybody out
> > > there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl
> connection...he
> > > would love to know. His email is david.perl@
> > > >
> > > > Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated.
> Please
> > > contact me at
> > > > herb.goodman@ Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Herb Goodman
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Linda,

My cousin David Perl lives in Austin. I will make sure he checks this board and
gets in touch with you.

Herb Goodman

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Soudack" <soudack@...> wrote:
>
> We happen to be going to Austin Texas tomorrow for a family wedding.  If I
recall correctly there are some families within Austin who have family from
Podhajce, and would like to touch base with them.  Could you send that
information.  Thanks Linda Soudack
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: goodmanherb@...
>   To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:01 AM
>   Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
>
>
>
>   Jeff,
>
>   Thanks for your reply. Vienna would also be of interest as my Great Great
grandfather is buried in the National cemetery there. Would love to figure out a
visit there. But I have heard Budapest is a fabulous city too. trying to figure
out best route / available flights. Looks like train between Vienna and Budapest
is 3 - 4 hours and +/- $100 (US)...so maybe we go into one and out of the other.
I will let you know.
>
>   Has anybody catalogued the graves in Podhajce?
>
>   As to the internet helping with all of this... I can not imagine making alll
of these connections any other way. How would we have found each other? How
would we share all of this information....?? A much better use of this
technology would be hard to imagine.
>
>   I will stay in touch. Thanks!
>
>   Herb
>
>   --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi Herb,
>   >
>   > Wow, Podhajce Texans, now I've hoid everything!
>   >
>   > Thanks for the email...Vienna would be a better starting point for a
number of reasons...I live about 2 hrs from Vienna...Podhajce is about a 2 hour
drive from Lviv, so driving from Vienna or Budapest isnt so crazy.
>   > But there is a Vienna-Lviv flight on a cheap (possibly Romanian) airline.
>   > It goes thru Budapest and is quite long...a rented car or van would be
cheaper if a few people go.
>   >
>   > I am not sure if the Ukrainians lifted their expensive visa requirements
on Americans, someone told me yes but its worth researching.
>   >
>   > Funny, my grandma (from Podhajce) had a cousin who didnt have the luxury
of choosing where to get off, they immigrated to Brazil in the 30s as the US was
cut off due to the then anti-immigration fever (!) I found my distant cousins
first on the Vad Hashem Shoah databse and then skype and a few hours later we
were hooked up! The miracle of the internet age, would have taken weeks by
post...
>   >
>   > Thanks again,
>   > Jeff
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > --- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@> wrote:
>   >
>   > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
>   > > Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
>   > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
>   > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:21 AM
>   > > Jeff,
>   > >
>   > > I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24 hours...all
>   > > of this info could come together for me. All of you seem to
>   > > have been onto this Podhajce stuff for awhile....David and I
>   > > are just digging in.
>   > >
>   > > To all who read this.... I am planning...not for sure...but
>   > > planning to try to get to Budapest or maybe Vienna sometime
>   > > in late June or early July. I will be traveling on award
>   > > mileage on American Airlines from Dallas Texas...so I need
>   > > to see what is available.
>   > >
>   > > My great Great garndfather is buried in the National
>   > > cemetery in Vienna, hence the desire to possibly start or
>   > > end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so she might be
>   > > able to direct me to the grave.
>   > >
>   > > Our ancestors would never believe that the internet is
>   > > starting to bring us all back together. As they headed in
>   > > their carts or on foot pout to the port of Hamburg or
>   > > wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they never imagined
>   > > that anybody would ever want to come back to this place they
>   > > escaped from!
>   > >
>   > > Finally...for today at least....our family came from
>   > > Podhajce to the port of Galveston Texas in the late 1800's,
>   > > early 1900's. There were a few other Podhajce families on
>   > > the boat with them...and some families ultimately settled in
>   > > Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The story goes
>   > > that others on the boat did not get off in Galveston...and
>   > > continued on to Argentina of all places. Some of the people
>   > > in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to visit
>   > > these other descendants of Podhajce!
>   > >
>   > > Perhaps we shall all meet this summer...
>   > >
>   > > Herb Goodman
>   > > Dallas Texas
>   > >
>   > > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
>   > > JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > Hi Francine,
>   > > >
>   > > > I think we corresponded a few years back...
>   > > >
>   > > > The cemetery received a fence, I think a couple years
>   > > ago, due to the tireless work of Meylakh Sheykhet...
>   > > >
>   > > > I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a fund left
>   > > by my father's half-sister, who was born in Podhajce in
>   > > 1902. The rules of the fund required the funds to be
>   > > earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was spent on
>   > > food, clothing, medicine and school supplies for the Lviv
>   > > community.
>   > > >
>   > > > Meylakh put together a written estimate to stabilize
>   > > and clean the shul at a cost between $30 and 50,000. Someone
>   > > replaced the roof several years ago...it would be nice if
>   > > our group could raise the money to improve the
>   > > building...are their any machers in our midst? Or anyone who
>   > > knows a fund or org out there that funds these types of
>   > > things?
>   > > >
>   > > > As you can see from the video, expat Podhajcer Poles
>   > > began fixing their ruined cathedral, also in the town.
>   > > >
>   > > > If interested parties can agree on a date, we can all
>   > > meet in a convenient city (Budapest?) and drive there.
>   > > This may be the best approach (as any flight to Lviv
>   > > requires two expensive flights and is still 2 hours from
>   > > Podhajce by car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce train
>   > > service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was something like 4
>   > > hours...yeesh.
>   > > >
>   > > > The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could facilitate
>   > > us.  It is really worth staying a few days...one day wont
>   > > do and you'll want to stay longer.
>   > > >
>   > > > Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce, Dr.
>   > > Bohdan Metik died last year.  Apart from speaking English,
>   > > he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life and
>   > > counted several Jews among his friends...one of which, Alex
>   > > Kimmel has a website and I believe the two spoke after 60
>   > > years of silence!
>   > > >
>   > > > Jeff Kellner
>   > > > Brno, CZ
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro
>   > > <franshap@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@>
>   > > > Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
>   > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
>   > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's
>   > > a small town. The synagogue needs renovation and
>   > > restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The mill was
>   > > destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new
>   > > building. The original owner's wife is very old, but alive
>   > > in Yavne. The cemetery was also unfenced, and still is. I
>   > > think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but mine is
>   > > a minority opinion.
>   > > >    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures.
>   > > They were building a Greek Catholic church, and I'm sure
>   > > it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch in the
>   > > little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on.
>   > > >    My family was from Podhajce on one side. My
>   > > grandmother was really born in Biela Konice, a hamlet about
>   > > six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I think. Her
>   > > parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol.
>   > > >   Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots.
>   > > They own a furniture store called Star Furniture, and it's
>   > > been in business for the last 80 years. The woman who
>   > > started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my
>   > > late cousin's late husband.
>   > > >   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you
>   > > happen to know them. Cindy Stein lives in Austin.
>   > > >    If I were to do the trip again, I think I would
>   > > also go to some of the major non-Jewish sights in the area.
>   > > All the small towns are just that. It doesn't take long to
>   > > see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of
>   > > context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through
>   > > Rohatyn, which is particularly beautiful. The Austrians put
>   > > some effort into beautifying the centers a little, and it's
>   > > really aesthetic.
>   > > >    The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was
>   > > Josef Perl who started a modern school in
>   > > > Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
>   > > > I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think
>   > > there was- at the Podhajce ceremony in June at the
>   > > Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
>   > > > Francine Shapiro
>   > > > Jerusalem
>   > > >
>   > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@
>   > > <goodmanherb@> wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
>   > > > Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
>   > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
>   > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > I am new as of this minute to this group....
>   > > >
>   > > > Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of
>   > > traveling there this summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any
>   > > tips greatly appreciated.
>   > > >
>   > > > Family name was Pearl or Perl.
>   > > >
>   > > > Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC.
>   > > Some left earlier to Safed Israel, where they became a
>   > > prominent family....recently one of the descendants was the
>   > > mayor of Safed.
>   > > >
>   > > > I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major
>   > > GENI.com family tree on Perl family...so if anybody out
>   > > there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl connection...he
>   > > would love to know. His email is david.perl@
>   > > >
>   > > > Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please
>   > > contact me at
>   > > > herb.goodman@ Thanks!
>   > > >
>   > > > Herb Goodman
>   > > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > ------------------------------------
>   > >
>   > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>

Jeff
Sorry to bother you.. I am new to this whole thing...Meylakh's email is not
fully displayed.Does he check this board...or will the email somehow get to him?

Herb Goodman

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote:
>
> sorry, what information, Linda?
>  
> I recommend contacting Meylakh Sheykhet in Lviv, Ukraine...he works with the
Jewish community there and can get you housing and transportation if you use
Lviv as a base:
>  
> meylach@...
>  
> He is a real tzaddik and a sweet man. I think there are several articles about
him on the web, just google his name.
>  
> regards from Brno,
> Jeff 
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/5/11, Linda Soudack <soudack@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Linda Soudack <soudack@...>
> Subject: Re: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 6:51 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We happen to be going to Austin Texas tomorrow for a family wedding.  If I
recall correctly there are some families within Austin who have family from
Podhajce, and would like to touch base with them.  Could you send that
information.  Thanks Linda Soudack
>  
>  
>  
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: goodmanherb@...
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:01 AM
> Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
>
>  
>
> Jeff,
>
> Thanks for your reply. Vienna would also be of interest as my Great Great
grandfather is buried in the National cemetery there. Would love to figure out a
visit there. But I have heard Budapest is a fabulous city too. trying to figure
out best route / available flights. Looks like train between Vienna and Budapest
is 3 - 4 hours and +/- $100 (US)...so maybe we go into one and out of the other.
I will let you know.
>
> Has anybody catalogued the graves in Podhajce?
>
> As to the internet helping with all of this... I can not imagine making alll
of these connections any other way. How would we have found each other? How
would we share all of this information....?? A much better use of this
technology would be hard to imagine.
>
> I will stay in touch. Thanks!
>
> Herb
>
> --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Herb,
> >
> > Wow, Podhajce Texans, now I've hoid everything!
> >
> > Thanks for the email...Vienna would be a better starting point for a number
of reasons...I live about 2 hrs from Vienna...Podhajce is about a 2 hour drive
from Lviv, so driving from Vienna or Budapest isnt so crazy.
> > But there is a Vienna-Lviv flight on a cheap (possibly Romanian) airline.
> > It goes thru Budapest and is quite long...a rented car or van would be
cheaper if a few people go.
> >
> > I am not sure if the Ukrainians lifted their expensive visa requirements on
Americans, someone told me yes but its worth researching.
> >
> > Funny, my grandma (from Podhajce) had a cousin who didnt have the luxury of
choosing where to get off, they immigrated to Brazil in the 30s as the US was
cut off due to the then anti-immigration fever (!) I found my distant cousins
first on the Vad Hashem Shoah databse and then skype and a few hours later we
were hooked up! The miracle of the internet age, would have taken weeks by
post...
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
> > > Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:21 AM
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24 hours...all
> > > of this info could come together for me. All of you seem to
> > > have been onto this Podhajce stuff for awhile....David and I
> > > are just digging in.
> > >
> > > To all who read this.... I am planning...not for sure...but
> > > planning to try to get to Budapest or maybe Vienna sometime
> > > in late June or early July. I will be traveling on award
> > > mileage on American Airlines from Dallas Texas...so I need
> > > to see what is available.
> > >
> > > My great Great garndfather is buried in the National
> > > cemetery in Vienna, hence the desire to possibly start or
> > > end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so she might be
> > > able to direct me to the grave.
> > >
> > > Our ancestors would never believe that the internet is
> > > starting to bring us all back together. As they headed in
> > > their carts or on foot pout to the port of Hamburg or
> > > wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they never imagined
> > > that anybody would ever want to come back to this place they
> > > escaped from!
> > >
> > > Finally...for today at least....our family came from
> > > Podhajce to the port of Galveston Texas in the late 1800's,
> > > early 1900's. There were a few other Podhajce families on
> > > the boat with them...and some families ultimately settled in
> > > Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The story goes
> > > that others on the boat did not get off in Galveston...and
> > > continued on to Argentina of all places. Some of the people
> > > in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to visit
> > > these other descendants of Podhajce!
> > >
> > > Perhaps we shall all meet this summer...
> > >
> > > Herb Goodman
> > > Dallas Texas
> > >
> > > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> > > JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Francine,
> > > >  
> > > > I think we corresponded a few years back...
> > > >  
> > > > The cemetery received a fence, I think a couple years
> > > ago, due to the tireless work of Meylakh Sheykhet...
> > > >  
> > > > I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a fund left
> > > by my father's half-sister, who was born in Podhajce in
> > > 1902. The rules of the fund required the funds to be
> > > earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was spent on
> > > food, clothing, medicine and school supplies for the Lviv
> > > community.
> > > >  
> > > > Meylakh put together a written estimate to stabilize
> > > and clean the shul at a cost between $30 and 50,000. Someone
> > > replaced the roof several years ago...it would be nice if
> > > our group could raise the money to improve the
> > > building...are their any machers in our midst? Or anyone who
> > > knows a fund or org out there that funds these types of
> > > things?
> > > >  
> > > > As you can see from the video, expat Podhajcer Poles
> > > began fixing their ruined cathedral, also in the town.
> > > >  
> > > > If interested parties can agree on a date, we can all
> > > meet in a convenient city (Budapest?) and drive there. 
> > > This may be the best approach (as any flight to Lviv
> > > requires two expensive flights and is still 2 hours from
> > > Podhajce by car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce train
> > > service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was something like 4
> > > hours...yeesh. 
> > > >  
> > > > The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could facilitate
> > > us.  It is really worth staying a few days...one day wont
> > > do and you'll want to stay longer. 
> > > >  
> > > > Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce, Dr.
> > > Bohdan Metik died last year.  Apart from speaking English,
> > > he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life and
> > > counted several Jews among his friends...one of which, Alex
> > > Kimmel has a website and I believe the two spoke after 60
> > > years of silence!
> > > >  
> > > > Jeff Kellner
> > > > Brno, CZ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro
> > > <franshap@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@>
> > > > Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's
> > > a small town. The synagogue needs renovation and
> > > restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The mill was
> > > destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new
> > > building. The original owner's wife is very old, but alive
> > > in Yavne. The cemetery was also unfenced, and still is. I
> > > think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but mine is
> > > a minority opinion.
> > > >    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures.
> > > They were building a Greek Catholic church, and I'm sure
> > > it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch in the
> > > little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on.
> > > >    My family was from Podhajce on one side. My
> > > grandmother was really born in Biela Konice, a hamlet about
> > > six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I think. Her
> > > parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol.
> > > >   Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots.
> > > They own a furniture store called Star Furniture, and it's
> > > been in business for the last 80 years. The woman who
> > > started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my
> > > late cousin's late husband.  
> > > >   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you
> > > happen to know them. Cindy Stein lives in Austin.
> > > >    If I were to do the trip again, I think I would
> > > also go to some of the major non-Jewish sights in the area.
> > > All the small towns are just that. It doesn't take long to
> > > see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of
> > > context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through
> > > Rohatyn, which is particularly beautiful. The Austrians put
> > > some effort into beautifying the centers a little, and it's
> > > really aesthetic.
> > > >    The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was
> > > Josef Perl who started a modern school in
> > > > Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
> > > > I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think
> > > there was- at the Podhajce ceremony in June at the 
> > > Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
> > > > Francine Shapiro
> > > > Jerusalem
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@
> > > <goodmanherb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
> > > > Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > > I am new as of this minute to this group....
> > > >
> > > > Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of
> > > traveling there this summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any
> > > tips greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Family name was Pearl or Perl.
> > > >
> > > > Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC.
> > > Some left earlier to Safed Israel, where they became a
> > > prominent family....recently one of the descendants was the
> > > mayor of Safed.
> > > >
> > > > I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major
> > > GENI.com family tree on Perl family...so if anybody out
> > > there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl connection...he
> > > would love to know. His email is david.perl@
> > > >
> > > > Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please
> > > contact me at
> > > > herb.goodman@ Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Herb Goodman
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: JK

To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 5:06 PM

Subject: Re: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce

 

sorry, what information, Linda?   I recommend contacting Meylakh Sheykhet in Lviv, Ukraine...he works with the Jewish community there and can get you housing and transportation if you use Lviv as a base:   meylach@...   He is a real tzaddik and a sweet man. I think there are several articles about him on the web, just google his name.   regards from Brno, Jeff  --- On Wed, 1/5/11, Linda Soudack <soudack@...> wrote: From: Linda Soudack <soudack@...> Subject: Re: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 6:51 PM We happen to be going to Austin Texas tomorrow for a family wedding.  If I recall correctly there are some families within Austin who have family from Podhajce, and would like to touch base with them.  Could you send that information.  Thanks Linda Soudack       ----- Original Message ----- From: goodmanherb@... To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce   Jeff, Thanks for your reply. Vienna would also be of interest as my Great Great grandfather is buried in the National cemetery there. Would love to figure out a visit there. But I have heard Budapest is a fabulous city too. trying to figure out best route / available flights. Looks like train between Vienna and Budapest is 3 - 4 hours and +/- $100 (US)...so maybe we go into one and out of the other. I will let you know. Has anybody catalogued the graves in Podhajce? As to the internet helping with all of this... I can not imagine making alll of these connections any other way. How would we have found each other? How would we share all of this information....?? A much better use of this technology would be hard to imagine. I will stay in touch. Thanks! Herb --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote: > > Hi Herb, > > Wow, Podhajce Texans, now I've hoid everything! > > Thanks for the email...Vienna would be a better starting point for a number of reasons...I live about 2 hrs from Vienna...Podhajce is about a 2 hour drive from Lviv, so driving from Vienna or Budapest isnt so crazy. > But there is a Vienna-Lviv flight on a cheap (possibly Romanian) airline. > It goes thru Budapest and is quite long...a rented car or van would be cheaper if a few people go. > > I am not sure if the Ukrainians lifted their expensive visa requirements on Americans, someone told me yes but its worth researching. > > Funny, my grandma (from Podhajce) had a cousin who didnt have the luxury of choosing where to get off, they immigrated to Brazil in the 30s as the US was cut off due to the then anti-immigration fever (!) I found my distant cousins first on the Vad Hashem Shoah databse and then skype and a few hours later we were hooked up! The miracle of the internet age, would have taken weeks by post... > > Thanks again, > Jeff > > > > --- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote: > > > From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> > > Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:21 AM > > Jeff, > > > > I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24 hours...all > > of this info could come together for me. All of you seem to > > have been onto this Podhajce stuff for awhile....David and I > > are just digging in. > > > > To all who read this.... I am planning...not for sure...but > > planning to try to get to Budapest or maybe Vienna sometime > > in late June or early July. I will be traveling on award > > mileage on American Airlines from Dallas Texas...so I need > > to see what is available. > > > > My great Great garndfather is buried in the National > > cemetery in Vienna, hence the desire to possibly start or > > end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so she might be > > able to direct me to the grave. > > > > Our ancestors would never believe that the internet is > > starting to bring us all back together. As they headed in > > their carts or on foot pout to the port of Hamburg or > > wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they never imagined > > that anybody would ever want to come back to this place they > > escaped from! > > > > Finally...for today at least....our family came from > > Podhajce to the port of Galveston Texas in the late 1800's, > > early 1900's. There were a few other Podhajce families on > > the boat with them...and some families ultimately settled in > > Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The story goes > > that others on the boat did not get off in Galveston...and > > continued on to Argentina of all places. Some of the people > > in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to visit > > these other descendants of Podhajce! > > > > Perhaps we shall all meet this summer... > > > > Herb Goodman > > Dallas Texas > > > > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, > > JK <jeffckellner@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Francine, > > >   > > > I think we corresponded a few years back... > > >   > > > The cemetery received a fence, I think a couple years > > ago, due to the tireless work of Meylakh Sheykhet... > > >   > > > I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a fund left > > by my father's half-sister, who was born in Podhajce in > > 1902. The rules of the fund required the funds to be > > earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was spent on > > food, clothing, medicine and school supplies for the Lviv > > community. > > >   > > > Meylakh put together a written estimate to stabilize > > and clean the shul at a cost between $30 and 50,000. Someone > > replaced the roof several years ago...it would be nice if > > our group could raise the money to improve the > > building...are their any machers in our midst? Or anyone who > > knows a fund or org out there that funds these types of > > things? > > >   > > > As you can see from the video, expat Podhajcer Poles > > began fixing their ruined cathedral, also in the town. > > >   > > > If interested parties can agree on a date, we can all > > meet in a convenient city (Budapest?) and drive there.  > > This may be the best approach (as any flight to Lviv > > requires two expensive flights and is still 2 hours from > > Podhajce by car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce train > > service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was something like 4 > > hours...yeesh.  > > >   > > > The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could facilitate > > us.  It is really worth staying a few days...one day wont > > do and you'll want to stay longer.  > > >   > > > Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce, Dr. > > Bohdan Metik died last year.  Apart from speaking English, > > he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life and > > counted several Jews among his friends...one of which, Alex > > Kimmel has a website and I believe the two spoke after 60 > > years of silence! > > >   > > > Jeff Kellner > > > Brno, CZ > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro > > <franshap@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@> > > > Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's > > a small town. The synagogue needs renovation and > > restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The mill was > > destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new > > building. The original owner's wife is very old, but alive > > in Yavne. The cemetery was also unfenced, and still is. I > > think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but mine is > > a minority opinion. > > >    The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures. > > They were building a Greek Catholic church, and I'm sure > > it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch in the > > little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on. > > >    My family was from Podhajce on one side. My > > grandmother was really born in Biela Konice, a hamlet about > > six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I think. Her > > parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol. > > >   Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots. > > They own a furniture store called Star Furniture, and it's > > been in business for the last 80 years. The woman who > > started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my > > late cousin's late husband.   > > >   We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you > > happen to know them. Cindy Stein lives in Austin. > > >    If I were to do the trip again, I think I would > > also go to some of the major non-Jewish sights in the area. > > All the small towns are just that. It doesn't take long to > > see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of > > context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through > > Rohatyn, which is particularly beautiful. The Austrians put > > some effort into beautifying the centers a little, and it's > > really aesthetic. > > >    The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was > > Josef Perl who started a modern school in > > > Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself. > > > I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think > > there was- at the Podhajce ceremony in June at the  > > Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv. > > > Francine Shapiro > > > Jerusalem > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@ > > <goodmanherb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@> > > > Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > I am new as of this minute to this group.... > > > > > > Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of > > traveling there this summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any > > tips greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Family name was Pearl or Perl. > > > > > > Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC. > > Some left earlier to Safed Israel, where they became a > > prominent family....recently one of the descendants was the > > mayor of Safed. > > > > > > I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major > > GENI.com family tree on Perl family...so if anybody out > > there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl connection...he > > would love to know. His email is david.perl@ > > > > > > Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please > > contact me at > > > herb.goodman@ Thanks! > > > > > > Herb Goodman > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >

----- Original Message -----

From: goodmanherb@...

To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 4:51 PM

Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce

 

Linda,

My cousin David Perl lives in Austin. I will make sure he checks this board and gets in touch with you.

Herb Goodman

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Soudack" <soudack@...> wrote:
>
> We happen to be going to Austin Texas tomorrow for a family wedding. If I recall correctly there are some families within Austin who have family from Podhajce, and would like to touch base with them. Could you send that information. Thanks Linda Soudack
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: goodmanherb@...
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:01 AM
> Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
>
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Thanks for your reply. Vienna would also be of interest as my Great Great grandfather is buried in the National cemetery there. Would love to figure out a visit there. But I have heard Budapest is a fabulous city too. trying to figure out best route / available flights. Looks like train between Vienna and Budapest is 3 - 4 hours and +/- $100 (US)...so maybe we go into one and out of the other. I will let you know.
>
> Has anybody catalogued the graves in Podhajce?
>
> As to the internet helping with all of this... I can not imagine making alll of these connections any other way. How would we have found each other? How would we share all of this information....?? A much better use of this technology would be hard to imagine.
>
> I will stay in touch. Thanks!
>
> Herb
>
> --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Herb,
> >
> > Wow, Podhajce Texans, now I've hoid everything!
> >
> > Thanks for the email...Vienna would be a better starting point for a number of reasons...I live about 2 hrs from Vienna...Podhajce is about a 2 hour drive from Lviv, so driving from Vienna or Budapest isnt so crazy.
> > But there is a Vienna-Lviv flight on a cheap (possibly Romanian) airline.
> > It goes thru Budapest and is quite long...a rented car or van would be cheaper if a few people go.
> >
> > I am not sure if the Ukrainians lifted their expensive visa requirements on Americans, someone told me yes but its worth researching.
> >
> > Funny, my grandma (from Podhajce) had a cousin who didnt have the luxury of choosing where to get off, they immigrated to Brazil in the 30s as the US was cut off due to the then anti-immigration fever (!) I found my distant cousins first on the Vad Hashem Shoah databse and then skype and a few hours later we were hooked up! The miracle of the internet age, would have taken weeks by post...
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/5/11, goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
> > > Subject: [podhajce] Re: Trip to Podhajce
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 12:21 AM
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > I am fascinated at how quickly...less than 24 hours...all
> > > of this info could come together for me. All of you seem to
> > > have been onto this Podhajce stuff for awhile....David and I
> > > are just digging in.
> > >
> > > To all who read this.... I am planning...not for sure...but
> > > planning to try to get to Budapest or maybe Vienna sometime
> > > in late June or early July. I will be traveling on award
> > > mileage on American Airlines from Dallas Texas...so I need
> > > to see what is available.
> > >
> > > My great Great garndfather is buried in the National
> > > cemetery in Vienna, hence the desire to possibly start or
> > > end a trip there. A cousin has been there...so she might be
> > > able to direct me to the grave.
> > >
> > > Our ancestors would never believe that the internet is
> > > starting to bring us all back together. As they headed in
> > > their carts or on foot pout to the port of Hamburg or
> > > wherever to escape the pogroms...surely they never imagined
> > > that anybody would ever want to come back to this place they
> > > escaped from!
> > >
> > > Finally...for today at least....our family came from
> > > Podhajce to the port of Galveston Texas in the late 1800's,
> > > early 1900's. There were a few other Podhajce families on
> > > the boat with them...and some families ultimately settled in
> > > Brownsville Texas...on the border of Mexico. The story goes
> > > that others on the boat did not get off in Galveston...and
> > > continued on to Argentina of all places. Some of the people
> > > in Brownsville have actually gone to Argentina to visit
> > > these other descendants of Podhajce!
> > >
> > > Perhaps we shall all meet this summer...
> > >
> > > Herb Goodman
> > > Dallas Texas
> > >
> > > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> > > JK <jeffckellner@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Francine,
> > > >
> > > > I think we corresponded a few years back...
> > > >
> > > > The cemetery received a fence, I think a couple years
> > > ago, due to the tireless work of Meylakh Sheykhet...
> > > >
> > > > I secured $45,000 for Meylakh in 2009 from a fund left
> > > by my father's half-sister, who was born in Podhajce in
> > > 1902. The rules of the fund required the funds to be
> > > earmarked for the elderly and young, so money was spent on
> > > food, clothing, medicine and school supplies for the Lviv
> > > community.
> > > >
> > > > Meylakh put together a written estimate to stabilize
> > > and clean the shul at a cost between $30 and 50,000. Someone
> > > replaced the roof several years ago...it would be nice if
> > > our group could raise the money to improve the
> > > building...are their any machers in our midst? Or anyone who
> > > knows a fund or org out there that funds these types of
> > > things?
> > > >
> > > > As you can see from the video, expat Podhajcer Poles
> > > began fixing their ruined cathedral, also in the town.
> > > >
> > > > If interested parties can agree on a date, we can all
> > > meet in a convenient city (Budapest?) and drive there.
> > > This may be the best approach (as any flight to Lviv
> > > requires two expensive flights and is still 2 hours from
> > > Podhajce by car). There is no Lviv-Podhajce train
> > > service and the Lviv-Podhajce bus trip was something like 4
> > > hours...yeesh.
> > > >
> > > > The hotel is simple in Podhajce but could facilitate
> > > us. It is really worth staying a few days...one day wont
> > > do and you'll want to stay longer.
> > > >
> > > > Sadly the one great man to meet in Podhajce, Dr.
> > > Bohdan Metik died last year. Apart from speaking English,
> > > he had many fond memories of prewar Podhajce life and
> > > counted several Jews among his friends...one of which, Alex
> > > Kimmel has a website and I believe the two spoke after 60
> > > years of silence!
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Kellner
> > > > Brno, CZ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, Francine Shapiro
> > > <franshap@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Francine Shapiro <franshap@>
> > > > Subject: Re: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 10:51 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was there in 2001 with Alex Dunai as my guide. It's
> > > a small town. The synagogue needs renovation and
> > > restoration. It's really a neglected gem. The mill was
> > > destroyed in World War II, and the one standing is a new
> > > building. The original owner's wife is very old, but alive
> > > in Yavne. The cemetery was also unfenced, and still is. I
> > > think the goats do good work trimming the grass, but mine is
> > > a minority opinion.
> > > > The town itself looks Jean Rosenbaum's pictures.
> > > They were building a Greek Catholic church, and I'm sure
> > > it's been completed by now. We actually had lunch in the
> > > little hotel. Things were pretty basic, but time moves on.
> > > > My family was from Podhajce on one side. My
> > > grandmother was really born in Biela Konice, a hamlet about
> > > six kilometers away, but lived in Podhajce too, I think. Her
> > > parents died, but her grandfather made liquor in Tarnopol.
> > > > Some of my Galveston relatives have Podhajce roots.
> > > They own a furniture store called Star Furniture, and it's
> > > been in business for the last 80 years. The woman who
> > > started the Podhajce blog, Jean Rosenbaum is the aunt of my
> > > late cousin's late husband.
> > > > We are Goldhirshes, Steins-- and whatever, if you
> > > happen to know them. Cindy Stein lives in Austin.
> > > > If I were to do the trip again, I think I would
> > > also go to some of the major non-Jewish sights in the area.
> > > All the small towns are just that. It doesn't take long to
> > > see them.It is helpful to put these places in some sort of
> > > context- what other towns looked like, etc.We went through
> > > Rohatyn, which is particularly beautiful. The Austrians put
> > > some effort into beautifying the centers a little, and it's
> > > really aesthetic.
> > > > The Perls are an interesting bunch. There was
> > > Josef Perl who started a modern school in
> > > > Tarnopol, and wrote the curriculum himself.
> > > > I am trying to remember if there was a Perl-I think
> > > there was- at the Podhajce ceremony in June at the
> > > Nachlaot Yitzhak cemetery in Tel Aviv.
> > > > Francine Shapiro
> > > > Jerusalem
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 1/4/11, goodmanherb@
> > > <goodmanherb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: goodmanherb@ <goodmanherb@>
> > > > Subject: [podhajce] Trip to Podhajce
> > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Tuesday, January 4, 2011, 1:42 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am new as of this minute to this group....
> > > >
> > > > Grandfather was from Podhajce. I am thinking of
> > > traveling there this summer...perhaps from Budapest. Any
> > > tips greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Family name was Pearl or Perl.
> > > >
> > > > Most left late 1890's to either Galveston TX or NYC.
> > > Some left earlier to Safed Israel, where they became a
> > > prominent family....recently one of the descendants was the
> > > mayor of Safed.
> > > >
> > > > I have a cousin in Austin TX who is doing a major
> > > GENI.com family tree on Perl family...so if anybody out
> > > there is interested in or has a Pearl / Perl connection...he
> > > would love to know. His email is david.perl@
> > > >
> > > > Trip advice to Podhajce greatly appreciated. Please
> > > contact me at
> > > > herb.goodman@ Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Herb Goodman
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > > podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Linda,

I understamd you had a nice time in Austin with David. Hope the wedding was nice
as well. Have you made any progress towards a possible trip to Podhajce?
Also...I have seen two guides mentioned on this board...Alex Dunai and Alex
Dinisenko (sp? ) . Are they the same person?

Finally..if anyone has been....does it make sense to try to get there directly
from Prague, Budapest or Vienna. I am sure our forefathers found a way without
going through Lviv...which seems to be a pain to get to?  Any advice from
someone on this board would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, Francine Shapiro <franshap@...> wrote:
>
> Alex Dunai has made a specialty of this. I used him years ago and found him
really good.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Linda Soudack <soudack@...> wrote:
>
> From: Linda Soudack <soudack@...>
> Subject: [podhajce] information
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:13 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We are taking a trip to Podhajce next year
> hopefully.  We would appreciate finding a guide who speaks English and wish
> to know if anyone might recommend someone to us.  Any information would be
> appreciated.  Probably arriving in Lviv, and going from there.  Thanks
> Linda Soudack
>

----- Original Message -----

From: goodmanherb@...

To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 6:57 PM

Subject: [podhajce] Re: information

 

Linda,

I understamd you had a nice time in Austin with David. Hope the wedding was nice as well. Have you made any progress towards a possible trip to Podhajce? Also...I have seen two guides mentioned on this board...Alex Dunai and Alex Dinisenko (sp? ) . Are they the same person?

Finally..if anyone has been....does it make sense to try to get there directly from Prague, Budapest or Vienna. I am sure our forefathers found a way without going through Lviv...which seems to be a pain to get to? Any advice from someone on this board would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, Francine Shapiro <franshap@...> wrote:
>
> Alex Dunai has made a specialty of this. I used him years ago and found him really good.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Linda Soudack <soudack@...> wrote:
>
> From: Linda Soudack <soudack@...>
> Subject: [podhajce] information
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:13 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We are taking a trip to Podhajce next year
> hopefully.  We would appreciate finding a guide who speaks English and wish
> to know if anyone might recommend someone to us.  Any information would be
> appreciated.  Probably arriving in Lviv, and going from there.  Thanks
> Linda Soudack
>

hi Herb

I live in Czech Republic and I have been to Podhajce twice (I am a native born
US citizen)...there is no direct flight to Lviv from the US, and the road trip
from Lviv to Podhajce is 2 hours...there is no good bus or train connection
between Lviv and Podhajce...a car would need to be hired in Lviv...when I hired
Alex Dunajev to drive me from Lviv to Podhajce (and guide me around) in 1999 it
cost $125, so maybe $200-250 now? Meylakh may have access to a van in Lviv (via
the Jewish community) but the gas and driver would still cost about 100...

If several people go, what may be the best is a flight to Budapest and a rented
van in Budapest (the air ticket would be cheaper but Budapest to Podhajce is 8
hours).

I have a Jewish friend in Budapest who works in transportation and I could find
out the exact cost...gas is $6 a gallon here :-(

--Jeff


--- On Tue, 1/11/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:

> From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> Subject: [podhajce] Re: information
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 12:57 AM
> Linda,
>
> I understamd you had a nice time in Austin with David. Hope
> the wedding was nice as well. Have you made any progress
> towards a possible trip to Podhajce? Also...I have seen two
> guides mentioned on this board...Alex Dunai and Alex
> Dinisenko (sp? ) . Are they the same person?
>
> Finally..if anyone has been....does it make sense to try to
> get there directly from Prague, Budapest or Vienna. I am
> sure our forefathers found a way without going through
> Lviv...which seems to be a pain to get to?  Any advice
> from someone on this board would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks!
>
> --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> Francine Shapiro <franshap@...> wrote:
> >
> > Alex Dunai has made a specialty of this. I used him
> years ago and found him really good.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Linda Soudack
> <soudack@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Linda Soudack <soudack@...>
> > Subject: [podhajce] information
> > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:13 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >
> >
> >     
> >       
> >       
> >       
> >
> >
> > We are taking a trip to Podhajce next year
> > hopefully.  We would appreciate finding a guide who
> speaks English and wish
> > to know if anyone might recommend someone to us. 
> Any information would be
> > appreciated.  Probably arriving in Lviv, and going
> from there.  Thanks
> > Linda Soudack
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Jeff,

Thanks. My plan as of now is to fly into Prague on July 4, make my way through
Vienna, then on to Budapest to arrive there around July 8 or 9. I then have a
flight back to Texas on July 13. So I have 4 -5 days to make my way to Podhajce
from Budapest and back. I am probably booking this week...and will just pray
that over the next few months I can get one of the two Alex's, your friend in
Budapest, or Meylakh or someone will be available at a price to take me / guide
me on my journey to Podhajce. Your help is most appreciated.

If anybody wants to join in.... I would be happy to share costs out of Budapest
around July 8 or 9.

As you may know....this board truncates email addresses...so I have been unable
to contact Alex Dunajev or Meylakh...because everytime somebody tries to
send...it is truncated. I do not use the @yahoo email address for me above...as
I only got it to be able to access this board. Please send to me their email
addresses at ( and I am breaking this in hopes you get the full email... ) 
herb.goodman@
.....
e2mpartners.com

Jeff...thanks so much for your help

Herb Goodman

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote:
>
> hi Herb
>
> I live in Czech Republic and I have been to Podhajce twice (I am a native born
US citizen)...there is no direct flight to Lviv from the US, and the road trip
from Lviv to Podhajce is 2 hours...there is no good bus or train connection
between Lviv and Podhajce...a car would need to be hired in Lviv...when I hired
Alex Dunajev to drive me from Lviv to Podhajce (and guide me around) in 1999 it
cost $125, so maybe $200-250 now? Meylakh may have access to a van in Lviv (via
the Jewish community) but the gas and driver would still cost about 100...
>
> If several people go, what may be the best is a flight to Budapest and a
rented van in Budapest (the air ticket would be cheaper but Budapest to Podhajce
is 8 hours).
>
> I have a Jewish friend in Budapest who works in transportation and I could
find out the exact cost...gas is $6 a gallon here :-(
>
> --Jeff
>
>
> --- On Tue, 1/11/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:
>
> > From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> > Subject: [podhajce] Re: information
> > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 12:57 AM
> > Linda,
> >
> > I understamd you had a nice time in Austin with David. Hope
> > the wedding was nice as well. Have you made any progress
> > towards a possible trip to Podhajce? Also...I have seen two
> > guides mentioned on this board...Alex Dunai and Alex
> > Dinisenko (sp? ) . Are they the same person?
> >
> > Finally..if anyone has been....does it make sense to try to
> > get there directly from Prague, Budapest or Vienna. I am
> > sure our forefathers found a way without going through
> > Lviv...which seems to be a pain to get to?  Any advice
> > from someone on this board would be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> > Francine Shapiro <franshap@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alex Dunai has made a specialty of this. I used him
> > years ago and found him really good.
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Linda Soudack
> > <soudack@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Linda Soudack <soudack@>
> > > Subject: [podhajce] information
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:13 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   
> > >
> > >
> > >     
> > >       
> > >       
> > >       
> > >
> > >
> > > We are taking a trip to Podhajce next year
> > > hopefully.  We would appreciate finding a guide who
> > speaks English and wish
> > > to know if anyone might recommend someone to us. 
> > Any information would be
> > > appreciated.  Probably arriving in Lviv, and going
> > from there.  Thanks
> > > Linda Soudack
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi Herb,

If you intend to fly to Prague and visit Vienna, what may be the easiest is a
train from Vienna to Lviv, with a stop in Budapest, if you are interested in
this equally nice city...

if a discount train ticket (Eurorail pass) exists for central/eastern europe
that might be the cheapest and easist way to get there...the roads arent so good
between Hungary and Ukraine, so maybe a car is too complicated...for scheduling
buses and or trains between Prague and Vienna, try this site, which has an
English version:

http://jizdnirady.idnes.cz/vlakyautobusy/spojeni/

The Prague-Vienna buses are $10-20 each way...if they allow you a stopover,
maybe buying a Prague-Budapest ticket is cheaper?

Prague-Lviv buses go through Poland or Slovakia, so I dont think you can get a
Prague-Budapest-Lviv ticket in one purchase...trains prices are based on the
number of kilometers...

for Vienna to Lviv, try: www.obb.at  Austrian transport is much more
expensive...

The buses are the cheapest, and sometimes the fastest...as the train has to
switch wheels at the Ukrainian border (the Soviet trains have a bigger scale).

What may be the easiest then is a train or bus from Budapest to Lviv, and hiring
Alex Dunajev in Lviv...he will drive to Podhajce from there...

From Vienna or Budapest you will lose a day travelling to Lviv, so 4 days will
get you two days in Lviv/Podhajce...I suggest staying one nite in Podhajce so
you have some time to check the place out the second day (one my first trip I
stayed only one day and really needed more time).

sorry if this sounds complicated but with so many countries to go thru to get to
Podhajce, and the poor infrastructure, it is. But its an exciting trip and
unforgettable!

Jeff

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...> wrote:

> From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> Subject: [podhajce] Re: information
> To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 7:40 PM
> Jeff,
>
> Thanks. My plan as of now is to fly into Prague on July 4,
> make my way through Vienna, then on to Budapest to arrive
> there around July 8 or 9. I then have a flight back to Texas
> on July 13. So I have 4 -5 days to make my way to Podhajce
> from Budapest and back. I am probably booking this
> week...and will just pray that over the next few months I
> can get one of the two Alex's, your friend in Budapest, or
> Meylakh or someone will be available at a price to take me /
> guide me on my journey to Podhajce. Your help is most
> appreciated.
>
> If anybody wants to join in.... I would be happy to share
> costs out of Budapest around July 8 or 9.
>
> As you may know....this board truncates email
> addresses...so I have been unable to contact Alex Dunajev or
> Meylakh...because everytime somebody tries to send...it is
> truncated. I do not use the @yahoo email address for me
> above...as I only got it to be able to access this board.
> Please send to me their email addresses at ( and I am
> breaking this in hopes you get the full email... ) 
> herb.goodman@
> .....
> e2mpartners.com
>
> Jeff...thanks so much for your help
>
> Herb Goodman
>
> --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> JK <jeffckellner@...> wrote:
> >
> > hi Herb
> >
> > I live in Czech Republic and I have been to Podhajce
> twice (I am a native born US citizen)...there is no direct
> flight to Lviv from the US, and the road trip from Lviv to
> Podhajce is 2 hours...there is no good bus or train
> connection between Lviv and Podhajce...a car would need to
> be hired in Lviv...when I hired Alex Dunajev to drive me
> from Lviv to Podhajce (and guide me around) in 1999 it cost
> $125, so maybe $200-250 now? Meylakh may have access to a
> van in Lviv (via the Jewish community) but the gas and
> driver would still cost about 100...
> >
> > If several people go, what may be the best is a flight
> to Budapest and a rented van in Budapest (the air ticket
> would be cheaper but Budapest to Podhajce is 8 hours).
> >
> > I have a Jewish friend in Budapest who works in
> transportation and I could find out the exact cost...gas is
> $6 a gallon here :-(
> >
> > --Jeff
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 1/11/11, goodmanherb@...
> <goodmanherb@...> wrote:
> >
> > > From: goodmanherb@... <goodmanherb@...>
> > > Subject: [podhajce] Re: information
> > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 12:57 AM
> > > Linda,
> > >
> > > I understamd you had a nice time in Austin with
> David. Hope
> > > the wedding was nice as well. Have you made any
> progress
> > > towards a possible trip to Podhajce? Also...I
> have seen two
> > > guides mentioned on this board...Alex Dunai and
> Alex
> > > Dinisenko (sp? ) . Are they the same person?
> > >
> > > Finally..if anyone has been....does it make sense
> to try to
> > > get there directly from Prague, Budapest or
> Vienna. I am
> > > sure our forefathers found a way without going
> through
> > > Lviv...which seems to be a pain to get to?  Any
> advice
> > > from someone on this board would be greatly
> appreciated.
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > --- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Francine Shapiro <franshap@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alex Dunai has made a specialty of this. I
> used him
> > > years ago and found him really good.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Linda Soudack
> > > <soudack@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Linda Soudack <soudack@>
> > > > Subject: [podhajce] information
> > > > To: podhajce@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 3:13 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     
> > > >       
> > > >       
> > > >       
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We are taking a trip to Podhajce next year
> > > > hopefully.  We would appreciate finding a
> guide who
> > > speaks English and wish
> > > > to know if anyone might recommend someone to
> us. 
> > > Any information would be
> > > > appreciated.  Probably arriving in Lviv,
> and going
> > > from there.  Thanks
> > > > Linda Soudack
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     podhajce-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Dear Fellow Podhajce Researchers,

  For a number of years, I have been serving as the Gesher Galicia town
leader  or historian for Podhajce. In that capacity, I instigated the
development of  a Podhajce webpage and also made every effort to share
Podhajce information  with you.

  I am, thank G-d, in good health. However, I am now 81 years old and,
obviously, cannot expect to continue in this position indefinitely. It seems
vital to me that someone else in our group offers to take over this position
at a time when it still would be easy for me to work with you.

  First of all, there are a couple of major items which will not have to
addressed by you.  One is the translation into English of the Podhajce
Yizkor book; arranging for its translation is something of which I am proud.
A second is the improved formatting of the Podhajce Shtetlinks page and new
postings thereon.  Our webmaster, Jerome Schatten does a great job with this
and has agreed to continue in this position.Here are some things that the
town leader should expect to do:

  1.   You will receive from Yahoo all new letters to be sent to the group.
A decision to accept or reject each letter is made either by you or Jerome
Schatten.  This is an easy task, as there are not too many letters and a
  rejection is extremely rare.

  2..  Check periodically the Jewishgen Family Finder.  If someone new has
posted a name from Podhajce,respond with an email welcoming them and urging
registration with the Yahoo group.

  3.   Subscribe (it's free) to receive email from Jewishgen, Gesher
Galicia,  and Ukraine SIGs (Special Interest Groups). .  Any pertinent
information  received is then shared through the Yahoo mailing or, if of
particular
  importance, on the Podhajce webpage.

   4.   A Town Leader should have some knowledge about Podhajce.  This does
not mean the knowledge has to be in depth but, at least, the very basic
facts.  I have enough information to turn over to a new leader that this
  should not be a problem.

  5.  Seek other sources of information about Podhajce.  For example, I have
not explored possible records held by the Mormon Church.

  If you want to consider volunteering for this position, I would be more
than  happy to discuss it with you. Just send me your phone number and a
convenient time to call. I assure you that you will get much "nachas" from
  helping yourself and others in their Podhajce research.

  I will be happy to continue in my position until the end of March.  I hope
that Podhajce will not become what Jewishgen calls an "orphan shtetl".

   Jean Rosenbaum
  Houston, TX

>P.S.  If you have not joined the Podhajce Yahoo group, you've missed
>reading  a lot of interesting correspondence between Podhajce researchers.
>It's not  too late to join.  The link is
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhajce

Jean,

You are so kind to have done this for so many years...and wise to look for a
replacement. As you know from my posts.. I am just getting into the Podhajce
story. I am personally too "green" on all of this, and so very busy at work to
be of much use to you right now. I do want you to know how all of the work you
have done has made it so much easier for me to begin this journey into my
family's past. Thanks for all you have done. Hopefully one of the more
experienced Podhajcer descendants will step up to the plate for you.

Herb

--- In podhajce@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Rosenbaum" <mervinr@...> wrote:
>
>  Dear Fellow Podhajce Researchers,
>
>  For a number of years, I have been serving as the Gesher Galicia town
> leader  or historian for Podhajce. In that capacity, I instigated the
> development of  a Podhajce webpage and also made every effort to share
> Podhajce information  with you.
>
>  I am, thank G-d, in good health. However, I am now 81 years old and,
> obviously, cannot expect to continue in this position indefinitely. It seems
> vital to me that someone else in our group offers to take over this position
> at a time when it still would be easy for me to work with you.
>
>  First of all, there are a couple of major items which will not have to
> addressed by you.  One is the translation into English of the Podhajce
> Yizkor book; arranging for its translation is something of which I am proud.
> A second is the improved formatting of the Podhajce Shtetlinks page and new
> postings thereon.  Our webmaster, Jerome Schatten does a great job with this
> and has agreed to continue in this position.Here are some things that the
> town leader should expect to do:
>
>  1.   You will receive from Yahoo all new letters to be sent to the group.
> A decision to accept or reject each letter is made either by you or Jerome
> Schatten.  This is an easy task, as there are not too many letters and a
>  rejection is extremely rare.
>
>  2..  Check periodically the Jewishgen Family Finder.  If someone new has
> posted a name from Podhajce,respond with an email welcoming them and urging
> registration with the Yahoo group.
>
>  3.   Subscribe (it's free) to receive email from Jewishgen, Gesher
> Galicia,  and Ukraine SIGs (Special Interest Groups). .  Any pertinent
> information  received is then shared through the Yahoo mailing or, if of
> particular
>  importance, on the Podhajce webpage.
>
>   4.   A Town Leader should have some knowledge about Podhajce.  This does
> not mean the knowledge has to be in depth but, at least, the very basic
> facts.  I have enough information to turn over to a new leader that this
>  should not be a problem.
>
>  5.  Seek other sources of information about Podhajce.  For example, I have
> not explored possible records held by the Mormon Church.
>
>  If you want to consider volunteering for this position, I would be more
> than  happy to discuss it with you. Just send me your phone number and a
> convenient time to call. I assure you that you will get much "nachas" from
>  helping yourself and others in their Podhajce research.
>
>  I will be happy to continue in my position until the end of March.  I hope
> that Podhajce will not become what Jewishgen calls an "orphan shtetl".
>
>   Jean Rosenbaum
>  Houston, TX
>
> >P.S.  If you have not joined the Podhajce Yahoo group, you've missed
> >reading  a lot of interesting correspondence between Podhajce researchers.
> >It's not  too late to join.  The link is
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhajce
>