Hello, At 362d, there is a transition from Glaucon to Adeimantus portrayed by Socrates narration which is similar to that of Cephalus to Polemarchus. Glaucon...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 7, 2001 2:30 am
883
I don't (yet, at any rate) see much similarity with Cephalus/Polemarchus. Glaucon doesn't leave (Cephalus does), his position is not refuted (Cephalus's is),...
Frank Williams
phiwilli@...
Feb 7, 2001 4:14 am
884
... Ah, but Glaucon's logos is not really a "view" but a portrait......
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 7, 2001 11:48 pm
885
... Cephalus does not respond to Socrates final question about giving weapons to madman. His son comes to his rescue. Cephalus is an arms dealer. and...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 8, 2001 12:37 am
886
Despite Kosta's subsequent comments, I think I agree with Frank that there is not much similarity between the Cephalus/Polemarchus handoff and the later ...
Don Paarlberg
pberg@...
Feb 8, 2001 2:27 am
887
... He is his son, but he is not his oldest son. In Athenian law there doesnt seem to be a preference for the older son to inherit everything though. Plus he...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 8, 2001 2:41 am
888
Thanks very much, Kosta, for an interpretation that was new to me. I went back to the text, and believe I see what you're driving at. I'm not persuaded,...
Don Paarlberg
pberg@...
Feb 8, 2001 11:34 am
889
... I think there is symbolic meaning to the fact that there is on the one hand a father /son relationship, and on the other hand a brother/brother one. The...
Bernard SUZANNE
bernard.suzanne@...
Feb 8, 2001 12:01 pm
890
... [snip] ... [snip] ... [snip] ... I do not think this is correct. ... The eldest male relative was a guiding principle, but Kephalos et alii were also...
Mr. Christopher Plane...
cplaneau@...
Feb 8, 2001 12:25 pm
891
Ah! I missed this idea earlier, i.e. that Cephalus is a person of the type Glaucon and Adeimantus are describing (it seems a stretch to think they have ...
Frank Williams
phiwilli@...
Feb 8, 2001 1:40 pm
892
... I am not presenting anything definative, just teasing the text. ... "tormented." ... He seems to have lived a frivolous life. You are right that ... ...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 8, 2001 8:35 pm
893
... Really? I was told he was the youngest...? ... You sure? ... Could you digress on the implications of the plague? thanks Kosta...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 8, 2001 8:36 pm
894
... But that is what is so funny, he actually compares himself to Themistocles. I dont see anything in the details of his memory of his life that warrants that...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 8, 2001 11:43 pm
895
Just across my desk. Sorry for all duplications!!!!! csp ... Subject: BMCR 01.02.05, Palmer, Plato's Reception of Parmenides @@@@01.02.05, Palmer, Plato's...
Mr. Christopher Plane...
cplaneau@...
Feb 9, 2001 12:10 am
896
... Pseudo-Plutarch disagrees: *Moralia* 835d. [snip] ... I am pretty sure about the ages. The hypothesis, however, is but an idea -- one that, to me, seems...
cplaneau@...
Feb 9, 2001 3:38 am
897
I've been wanting to ask. How is it that you know so much about the details of this guy's life?...
Don Paarlberg
pberg@...
Feb 9, 2001 11:10 am
898
Hi Chris, Excellent thinking here: [snip] [kosta] ... Uh-oh: right down the alley of my rewriting. Of course, one ... On this, you have one argument in the...
George Gregory
gw.gregory@...
Feb 10, 2001 12:30 pm
899
Greetings Frank, ... Have to agree with you there. Whereas Glaucon's reconstruction pooh-poohs justice as in the "middle" between perfect injustice (if you ...
George Gregory
gw.gregory@...
Feb 10, 2001 12:30 pm
900
Hi George, good to hear from you after much inactivity by the whole list. ... Well, I would suppose (what do you think, Kosta?) that what it is is a thoroughly...
Frank Williams
phiwilli@...
Feb 10, 2001 8:47 pm
901
Hello George and Christopher, ... I think the comparison might hold up to a point, but I have serious reservations about it. In terms of large scale...
Angela Cembrola
angela@...
Feb 11, 2001 1:02 am
902
Dear Frank, Gosh 'n Golly! -- You still don't promise to tell us what your students think!! -- Presumably they are younger that we, so they might have insights...
George Gregory
gw.gregory@...
Feb 11, 2001 10:51 am
903
Dear Angela, ... Good point. Rome is not my field of expertise at all, so I am all ears. The historical question, I suppose, is rather subtle: to what extent ...
George Gregory
gw.gregory@...
Feb 11, 2001 10:51 am
904
hi all, in case you're interested, wanted to let you know my W.W. Norton book "Socrates Cafe: A Fresh Taste of Philosophy," which at many turns delves into...
christopher_phillips2...
Feb 12, 2001 2:02 am
905
Read the text......
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 12, 2001 1:29 pm
906
... Well, it would explain why Thrasymachus is in his house. ... Ah, but Socrates questions find him out!...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 12, 2001 2:13 pm
907
... Yes the labyrinth is interesting. Another thing I notice about Cephalus is how he talks about the soul "twisting and turning"(strephousin etc). That is the...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 12, 2001 2:18 pm
908
... I dont agree that he is untouched by philosophy. It depends what we mean by "philosophy". He seems to have had some kind of rhetorical training at ...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 12, 2001 6:24 pm
909
Also, the oligarchic parties described by Socrates in the section dealing with oligarchy seems to remind of Cephalus the party animal. regards Kosta...
kosta.simopoulos@...
Feb 12, 2001 6:31 pm
910
Dear Kosta, ... That's a good bit of circumstantial evidence. I think it can be supported by closely examining Cephalus' rhetoric, but it's an ordeal, such an...
George Gregory
gw.gregory@...
Feb 12, 2001 8:47 pm
911
Dear Kosta, ... John Russon writes (in a soon to be published paper) "Book I of Plato's Republic gives us in Cephalus a portrait of a human *kukeôn*, that is,...
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