About ten years ago, Carlo Ginzburg spoke of tracing corrupted passages from the classics as a means of determining the lineage of their transmission. I...
colin and bernard seems to me we are missing a layer - it is not plato quoting but a character in a book written by plato - if a character in Dickens...
... Yes, I would say it was Dickens, because Dickens wrote the altered quote. I would not conclude that Dickens was ignorant of Shakespeare. I would conclude...
Colin McLarty
cxm7@...
Dec 4, 2004 6:06 pm
1892
It's all well and good to opine that Plato had a reason to misquote Homer as long as we keep well in mind that we are lofting our own supposition. The reason...
... Bernard Suzanne gave an example where the same text is quoted somewhat differently at the beginning and then at the end of the Gorgias. That is not...
Colin McLarty
cxm7@...
Dec 6, 2004 6:30 pm
1894
It is enough of a side-issue that I will not add this to the Plato quote thread. But I mis-described Bernard Suzanne on Plato's two quotations of one passage,...
Colin McLarty
cxm7@...
Dec 6, 2004 6:55 pm
1895
Thank you for responding to my small submission, Collin. You might look to the introduction of the Parminedes as a specific dialogue wherein Antiphon is...
At 21:37 07/12/2004 -0500, Jeff made a number of good general points about reading Plato, points worth applying to the particular passages discussed in the...
Colin McLarty
cxm7@...
Dec 8, 2004 3:57 pm
1897
Sorry, an incomplete draft of this got sent by mistake. The correct draft got lost entirely but I rewrite it here. Unfortunately at this point I cannot get...
Colin McLarty
cxm7@...
Dec 8, 2004 4:34 pm
1898
I sent two versions of a reply to Jeff today. The first appeared in my outbox in mangled form, a very early partial draft, while the correct draft was nowhere...
Colin McLarty
cxm7@...
Dec 8, 2004 4:50 pm
1899
My take on this is that Plato's dialogues are all a peculiar sort of historical fiction, with varying and mostly unknowable blends of history and fiction -...
I was asking about secondary material concerning Plato. After studying philosopohy for a certain amount of time it becomes obvious that for some of the more...
Dear Max Greene, Well, I do admire your youth and vigor to tackle all those other chaps, with or without secondary literature. I've never actually got very far...
The canon of any philosopher is the most important text to read butI would not even attempt to study a major philosopher without secondary material. I quess...
Thank you for you information on Plato's metaphysics. I have ordered the Reeve version of the Republic. Professor Reeve is too busy to work out a selected...
Thank you for your information on Plato's metaphysics. Guthrie's History is not available new as far as I can tell but I am looking for a nice used copy of the...
Thank you for the information on Plato. I have received a lot of good info on this site so far and I really appreciate it. The Whitehead book sounds very...
Dear Max, I admire your enthusiasm and enterprise in beginning the study of Plato. Although I have not, for some reason, been receiving all the e-mails from...
... That may be true of most so-called "philosophers", but I am not sure ir applies to Plato, for several reasons. One is that what you are talking about or...
Bernard SUZANNE
bernard.suzanne@...
Dec 14, 2004 6:34 pm
1908
In a theological context someone once said: Wow! Reading the Bible sure throws a lot of light on all those Biblical commentaries! [Non-text portions of this...
Bernard Suzanne has stated his case beautifully. I am not entirely convinced by Bernard's idea of a plan for the whole series of dialogues. But he is...
Colin McLarty
cxm7@...
Dec 15, 2004 12:31 am
1910
As a bit of an aside, I had a student recently who was frustrated by Plato's dialogues, so she wrote a dialogue in which she criticized Plato for writing...
Greetings: As a non-academic philosopher, I have been working on Plato since a teenager, back in the last century! Thus it is pleasing to see that others...
RichardHoehler@...
Dec 15, 2004 9:53 pm
1912
... [snip] ... [snip] This remains a most difficult question to address with any real certainty. We are tacitly assuming Platon "alters" Homerodos, simply...
... That should read Homeros (anglicized as "Homer"). Apparently, in my haste to get to bed, I conflated Homeros and Hesiodos (ang. Hesiod). HA! csp...
... caused me to ... spent some ... Your plan ... Deliberately by ... Not that I ... but this ... us a ... the fourth ... means to me ... those of the ... ...
... I have said explicitly why I doubt the various versions differed on the standing of Menelaus. There is no trace of such a difference on Menelaus in any...
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